[DPR Mafia] Call-Your-Shot Mafia- Points being posted...

[Kivam]

Far, if you truly think I'm mafia (and I can't begin to tell you how flattering, yet suspicious, I find that from you) can you please build your case before I go on LOA Thursday? I'd hate to come back after a nice but exhausting trip and find myself dead. Thanks, hon.  :-*

 

FDM - seriously, Lily isn't mafia.  I'm as certain of that as I am that you are not mafia.  That's not a figure of speech, either - I am exactly as certain.

[Lavinya]

Well...after that image, I'm more than eager to make it to night. Though, not sure how romantic it would be with a crowd.

 

Well. I'm glad you've absolved me of supreme guilt for now Kiv. I understand that the 'confused act' is generally a mafia tactic, but I was quite legitimate in it. Aside from the what, 4 games I've played here at DM, I haven't played mafia at all since around 2006. And I'm impressed Far remembers me, I think we only played maybe two games on the boards. Apart from that, it was all chat mafia. Seriously, if you've never played a fast chat game, you've gotta try it! Especially with Sirayn pulling the strings. Evil genius, that one.

 

Moving on! Pale, what happens if you are lynched before your targets die? Are they saved or doomed regardless what happens to you during the day? Because honestly, I would sit more comfortably lynching a 'town alligned killer' and sparing vital roles than let them die, only to have you keep killing innocents. :P We have what, maybe 3 at most mafia left in the game? Possibly less, to balance the non mafia killers? Our numbers are thinning, but what are the odds of successfully targeting a mafia member two nights in advance?

[Liathiana]

*jumps up and down on the white bed* Wheeee!

 

Yeah, I pretty much believe Barm unless someone comes out and counter-claims convincingly.

 

Pale: Tell us Night 2 person, like Kiv says, unless they're Doc or Cop then Barm's role is good to keep around.

 

I'm still suspicious of Dsworn myself.

[Kivam]

Picking up where I left off on Talya.  Would really like to see that case on Dae and Lia, Heidi.

 

Responding to my forgetting the last name on my bandwagon Day 1:

 

I think it was Lia

 

 

Glad to see I wasn't the only one that looked at Wes's post.

 

A question for you Alys. Are you saying that ONLY 1 of them can be Mafia, or at least one of them is mafia.

 

That would make a difference if Rey was Mafia.

 

If it is just one, then i have to agree with the logic that Rey is more dispensible than Livam, if Kivam has that role. I didn't like the way he revealed.

 

One thing that did strike me, was that Kivam's reveal was a little too detailed. It got the discussions going and made it into everyones mind. I know that doesn't make too much sense, but I felt like we were bombarded with a lot of info on it.

 

There also seems to be a few Blackmail threats from a few, saying the town would regret them going (or words to that effect). Can't say that I like that too much. I think it was Nae and Lav who said it!

 

I can't see anything else to do at the moment. We have been given some information, unsure of the source. But we are going to have to do something so I will go back to my original vote Rey

 

I have no idea what "too detailed" means when it comes to a role reveal.  The more details are given, the harder it is to keep the story straight, if its a lie.  Everything I told you came right out of my PM from Wes - hence the detail.

 

Just seems like she's looking for a reason to cast doubt on the reveal.

 

I don't trust her totally, but she has at least come up with something and not just reveal for the sake of it. She will be watched, you have no need to worry about that.

 

Replying to Rey on "trusting Alys".  A very good (read, innocent) post here.

 

I was wondering the same. how can you see who is going to die, when people may who have a killing role may not decide until he last minute. And just how is that going to help us, the only way would be for the healer to heal that person, but then who's to say that you aren't just kidding us, trying to control the healer.

 

I find that role a little odd to be honest.

 

And Rey, everyone has a role in this game by the looks of things, so not lynching someone because they claimed, doesn't come into it, especially when they have lied!

 

Questioning the fortune teller reveal.

 

 

hats why I said, or 'something similar'...i couldn't remember the exact wording, but either way it is the same sort of thing!

 

To Nae, claiming Nae said "lynch me and you'll be sorry"

 

That was certainly good for a day 1.

 

Before I forget, soemthing struck me. i know that i first voted Rey when re revealed. However not long after that Far came up with the idea about voting for someone on the Kivam voting list. And it did start to take off. Now I find it coincidence that she did that after Rey's reveal, considering Rey wasn't on the Kivam list. I thought maybe it was a subtle way of trying to pull the lynch off Rey!

 

After the Rey lynch.  

 

Skipping the night one Spam.  Through here, Talya is looking good.

 

 

[LilyElizabeth]

Aw, Wes, you just want us to go to sultry nights again.  ;) :-*

 

Ohhhhohohohoooo baayyyybeeeee...

 

 

I take it my stripper pole is just off camera?  ;)

[WWWwombat]

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[a pale tanned lover]

Pale, tell us the name of the person you targeted night 2 - because if Barm is the shrink, we need to keep him alive unless you targeted the cop or doc.

What was the numbers which i mentioned before?

Moving on! Pale, what happens if you are lynched before your targets die? Are they saved or doomed regardless what happens to you during the day? Because honestly, I would sit more comfortably lynching a 'town alligned killer' and sparing vital roles than let them die, only to have you keep killing innocents.  

They die........Funnily enough everyone in this game chooses to lynch someone and why so if you know who is mafia and  "not an innocent with an important role" then vote and state you're reasons otherwise don't vote at all and get off my back.

[Kivam]

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No spamming, please.  Its hard enough to do these cases without binary

[WWWwombat]

Oooh case building!  And from a lawyer!  Are we going to have a trial?  Can I sit second chair?

[LilyElizabeth]

Well, I truly don't know what to think. I know, in my gut, that Pale and Dragon are innocent. I suspect quite a few others of being mafia, but many of you are convinced that Barm is what he says he is.

 

My mind isn't on this game the way it should be. I'm running out of time to get all my vacation prep done, and getting a bit frantic about that. Plus some other RL issues - some good, some bad, all demanding my attention. I have proof that my gut was horribly off in another game, so I'm going to step back and watch for now. I'm sorry guys. I've been scum too many games in a row - more than ten in a row, I think, and I clearly don't know how to sniff them out anymore. I've got an idea of how to maybe get my scumdar operational again, so we'll see how that works.....

 

Either way, I may be doing more harm than good being so vocal, so I'm stepping back for a bit. I'd still really like to see what Far puts together, though. It will be amusing, at the very least.

 

[WWWwombat]

Don't get so down on yourself Lily.  Stepping back is fine but don't beat yourself up.

[a pale tanned lover]

Pale: Tell us Night 2 person, like Kiv says, unless they're Doc or Cop then Barm's role is good to keep around.

Have you even thought about the implications for the town with my role, now thats i've revealed?

[WWWwombat]

You are basically a delayed-action vig.

[Barmacral]

Pale: Tell us Night 2 person, like Kiv says, unless they're Doc or Cop then Barm's role is good to keep around.

Have you even thought about the implications for the town with my role, now thats i've revealed?

 

And have you thought of the implications of what happens to the town you've revealed to if I die before the psycho is stopped?

[a pale tanned lover]

Pale: Tell us Night 2 person, like Kiv says, unless they're Doc or Cop then Barm's role is good to keep around.

Have you even thought about the implications for the town with my role, now thats i've revealed?

 

And have you thought of the implications of what happens to the town you've revealed to if I die before the psycho is stopped?

Yes, 6 dead, 15 left, you have viewed me and wombat. That leaves 13 people, who would you go for next because if you're right you would stop them anyway, if we lynch them......for some reason talya sticks out too me.

[Kivam]

Pale, tell us the name of the person you targeted night 2 - because if Barm is the shrink, we need to keep him alive unless you targeted the cop or doc.

What was the numbers which i mentioned before?

 

Not sure what you mean here.  If you mean "what are the numbers like now for a mass reveal?":

 

We have 15 players left alive.  Right now, me, you, Pandy, Pete and Barm have role claimed.  That leaves 10 unknowns, with possibly 3 mafia, a psycho and an arsonist among them (11, really, since I am not certain of Pandy, though the superquick role claim makes it hard to believe he was lying).

 

Lia

Hybrid

Nae

FDM

Talya

Lavinya

Ed

Lily

Wombat

Dae

 

 

The following are the unclaimed roles that might be in the game:

 

 

Cop

Doctor

Serial Killer

Roleblocker

Voteless Player

Tree Stump

Backup

Arsonist

Psycho

Posion Doctor

Poisoner

Traitor

 

That's 12 roles for 10 people.  

 

Assuming we have 7 liars among that group, (5 scum, cop and doc) we'd only have 3 people telling the truth, and a minimum of 3 roles claimed by at least two players.  It doesn't work out very well right now.

 

Who did you target?

 

Moving on! Pale, what happens if you are lynched before your targets die? Are they saved or doomed regardless what happens to you during the day? Because honestly, I would sit more comfortably lynching a 'town alligned killer' and sparing vital roles than let them die, only to have you keep killing innocents.  

They die........Funnily enough everyone in this game chooses to lynch someone and why so if you know who is mafia and  "not an innocent with an important role" then vote and state you're reasons otherwise don't vote at all and get off my back.

 

Pale, the difference is someone needs to die every day and we can gain information from voting patterns, which means losing innocents early in the game isn't a real problem.

 

Losing an extra player at night, without gaining much in the way of info, is just bad.  As a general rule, pro-town killers should never use their ability unless there's a real certainty that the target is scum, or an upside to being wrong, or the town's going to lose anyway (i.e. you're going to night 1 up on the scum, so unless you hit one, they'll win with their night kill)

[Kivam]

Pale: Tell us Night 2 person, like Kiv says, unless they're Doc or Cop then Barm's role is good to keep around.

Have you even thought about the implications for the town with my role, now thats i've revealed?

 

I have. And if Barm had had a negligible role - tree stump, roleblocker, voteless, etc. - we'd have wanted you to stay alive and keep quiet until tomorrow. But now that we know we want you trading places with Barm tonight, we have to be sure you didn't target the doc or the cop for tomorrow night.  Because if you did . . . then you need to let Barm die and save the doc or the cop.  So give us the name, and if the player is the doc or the cop, they'll reveal (and give us their investigation results if they're the cop, which will help narrow down today's lynch).  If they aren't the doc or the cop, then they'll stay quiet, and you will save Barm.

[Kivam]

Pale: Tell us Night 2 person, like Kiv says, unless they're Doc or Cop then Barm's role is good to keep around.

Have you even thought about the implications for the town with my role, now thats i've revealed?

 

And have you thought of the implications of what happens to the town you've revealed to if I die before the psycho is stopped?

Yes, 6 dead, 15 left, you have viewed me and wombat. That leaves 13 people, who would you go for next because if you're right you would stop them anyway, if we lynch them......for some reason talya sticks out too me.

 

So . . . today's lynch, that puts us at 14 left alive.  Barm, the psycho's victim, and the mafia's victim all die tonight, and there are suddenly only 11 players left with a likely 3 going to die the next night - means we're looking at having 7 players left as of 2 nights from now.  Do you think that's a good thing for the town?

[Kivam]

BTW, Pale - if you reveal the name of day 2's player and they aren't the cop/doc, and you let Barm die tonight - you'll be my lynch candidate for the next day, since I'll have no reason to trust you aren't scum.  The town needs its psychiatrist far more than it needs you.

[DPR]

It's possible that I will place a 36 hour time limit on day 3. I'm considering that now...

[WWWwombat]

So what first made us think we had a psycho instead of an SK anyway?

[Kivam]

So what first made us think we had a psycho instead of an SK anyway?

 

I didn't notice the SK role until I was going through it just now.  And I'm wondering the same thing.

[WWWwombat]

I mean the killings seem kind of psychotic, but serial killers are pretty messed up too.  Shrink would be a terrific false claim for an SK in this case.

[WWWwombat]

I think I still believe Barm.  He's played pretty risky for an SK.  Of course there's always the possibility of reverse psychology and WIFOM.

[Kivam]

I mean the killings seem kind of psychotic, but serial killers are pretty messed up too.  Shrink would be a terrific false claim for an SK in this case.

 

This is true.  But we can't take that risk; if Pale's night 2 target isn't the cop or doc, then Pale swaps for Barm, and the cop should investigate Barm tonight (if there's a SK and no shrink, the cop should be able to find him).  

 

Basically, our options are:

 

a) Pale targeted doc/cop = Barm dies tonight whether he's telling the truth or lying;

 

b) Pale did not target the cop/doc and Barm is telling the truth = we lose our delayed vig and save our Shrink; or

 

c) Pale did not target the cop/doc and Barm is false-claiming = we lose our delayed vig and Barm is lynched tomorrow

 

As worst case scenarios go, c isn't so bad.

 

In contrast, if Pale doesn't swap with Barm, our worst case scenario is that we lose our shrink.  That would be much worse.

 

Therefore, unless Pale's night 2 target is more crucial than Barm's claimed role, Pale needs to swap with Barm tonight.