[DPR Mafia] Call-Your-Shot Mafia- Points being posted...

[LilyElizabeth]

I can get behind that. I still think they are both working together, and if Pale's telling the truth, if we lynch Kiv, we get them both today.

 

 

[a pale tanned lover]

I'd still be against it, Pale.

I just wanted to know what the figures were at this stage. We have time to review things and see what is beneficial at this stage with what we know so far.

[LilyElizabeth]

My reasoning stays the same on that. The liars would be 1)scum 2)finder and 3) doc. The scum know who they are, so they would have it easy from there.

 

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

[glow=red,2,300]Kiv[/glow]  8)

[a pale tanned lover]

My reasoning stays the same on that. The liars would be 1)scum 2)finder and 3) doc. The scum know who they are, so they would have it easy from there.

 

With 3 mafia down the town could be more open, there is prob a mason group which might contain the cop or finder and could back them up. That would leave very few scum/solo winners left too lie and easily eliminated. Like i said that is why i want to know the numbers....even though i excel with figures :P

[Far Dareis Mai]

This is all wrong.

 

First of all, Kivam isn't mafia. I don't understand why you people seem to pick and choose to believe the things that Alys has shared with us--a person who was innocent. She said that she wouldn't be voting Kivam. She was almost entirely convinced of his innocence. Also, we need him here if he's the firefighter (and nobody has bothered to counter claim...after this long, I'm incredibly sure it is. Otherwise why would anyone bother to leave Kivam in the game when he is so dangerous to the innocents?). If he dies, then every single person the Arsonist has primed will end up going down. Mafia and Innocent alike. Have you all lost your minds? He NEEDS to be kept alive until the Arson is found.

 

Second of all, Pale--I want to know how you can justify revealing that you set up Barm to die and not tell us who the other person is. What if they are our Finder, what if they are a Healer? They have a right to claim their role if they are so important to the game. It was so unbelievably stupid for you to go ahead and make a decision like that, this early in the game, when you apparently don't have the confidence to even follow through (i.e. revealing your role and telling us about your basically killing off Barm). We need to know who the other person is, because you better believe that you will give yourself up if you screwed us with this. And if you don't, and we lose a good innocent player, then I'm going to lead a rather righteous OMGUS campaign on you.  >:(

 

I'm working on some cases, but I'm going to take a moment to say that just sitting here and reading the last two pages, I'm still incredibly suspicious of Lily. The feeling just won't go away. I'm goign to case some more now, and the Light help you all. :P

 

 

 

[Far Dareis Mai]

OMG Pale! Are you not reading anything? Alys already found out there are NOOOOO Mason Groups in the this game. Got it? None. Zip. Nada.

 

 

[Naeann]

So Pale is the dude that poisons people?  Picks a target and they die a day or two later?  And Barm says he's the psychologist.  From the death scenes the past two nights it looks as though the psycho took out a mafia and then tig.. vig I think?

 

So Pale could sacrifice himself and save Barm *pending them all telling the truth about these roles anyways*  thus freeing him to find the psycho.  Or he could let Barm die and the psycho would be on the lose with no worries about being "cured"... not to mention he could then also keep killing people.

 

 

Edit: Pale.. Alys, who was confirmed innocent, said there are no teams in the game.  No masons, no millers, no cult.  I'm thinking, with all the solo killer types out there... arsonist, psycho, poisoner person.. that she was also hinting that there's no "actual" mafia.

[Naeann]

Well no.. I don't know.. that can't be right though it has me confused that Alys said NO teams... because Tynaal and Rey were mafia... it didn't say arsonist or whatever just mafia.

[Far Dareis Mai]

Perhaps the mafia are not in a team? As in, each night one mafia player gets to choose someone to kill, versus a group voting and talking about it? It would explain the odd trends in deaths.

[a pale tanned lover]

Second of all, Pale--I want to know how you can justify revealing that you set up Barm to die and not tell us who the other person is. What if they are our Finder, what if they are a Healer? They have a right to claim their role if they are so important to the game. It was so unbelievably stupid for you to go ahead and make a decision like that, this early in the game, when you apparently don't have the confidence to even follow through (i.e. revealing your role and telling us about your basically killing off Barm). We need to know who the other person is, because you better believe that you will give yourself up if you screwed us with this. And if you don't, and we lose a good innocent player, then I'm going to lead a rather righteous OMGUS campaign on you.  

Only one person dies from me per night so why reveal the other yet?

OMG Pale! Are you not reading anything?

See quote above where you never read anything i already said, please reread my comments.

Edit: Pale.. Alys, who was confirmed innocent, said there are no teams in the game.  No masons, no millers, no cult.  I'm thinking, with all the solo killer types out there... arsonist, psycho, poisoner person.. that she was also hinting that there's no "actual" mafia.

So all the mafia who have died are all solo mafia winners then?

So Pale is the dude that poisons people?

No poison involved, they cant be cured...

[Naeann]

I may have missed it... what exactly is the name of what you are then?

[Barmacral]

Perhaps the mafia are not in a team? As in, each night one mafia player gets to choose someone to kill, versus a group voting and talking about it? It would explain the odd trends in deaths.

 

That is an entirely viable option, as Wes has done that before.

[a pale tanned lover]

I may have missed it... what exactly is the name of what you are then?

Fortune Teller. I choose one person and they die two nights later.

 

 

 

 

[ed2funy]

You all got to it before me, but I was wondering if the mafia are not a true mafia, because all of the actions of the scummy roles are so independent, it wouldn't really matter if they planned. In fact, it just might give them an unfair advantage.

 

I will reread on my comp (Kiv's last post was too long for my phone).

[Naeann]

Good point Far. 

 

Thank you Pale.  I remember seeing that but couldn't think of the name.  That makes for a lousy fortune. :D

[WWWwombat]

This is all wrong.

 

First of all, Kivam isn't mafia. I don't understand why you people seem to pick and choose to believe the things that Alys has shared with us--a person who was innocent. She said that she wouldn't be voting Kivam. She was almost entirely convinced of his innocence. Also, we need him here if he's the firefighter (and nobody has bothered to counter claim...after this long, I'm incredibly sure it is. Otherwise why would anyone bother to leave Kivam in the game when he is so dangerous to the innocents?). If he dies, then every single person the Arsonist has primed will end up going down. Mafia and Innocent alike. Have you all lost your minds? He NEEDS to be kept alive until the Arson is found.

 

Second of all, Pale--I want to know how you can justify revealing that you set up Barm to die and not tell us who the other person is. What if they are our Finder, what if they are a Healer? They have a right to claim their role if they are so important to the game. It was so unbelievably stupid for you to go ahead and make a decision like that, this early in the game, when you apparently don't have the confidence to even follow through (i.e. revealing your role and telling us about your basically killing off Barm). We need to know who the other person is, because you better believe that you will give yourself up if you screwed us with this. And if you don't, and we lose a good innocent player, then I'm going to lead a rather righteous OMGUS campaign on you.  >:(

 

I'm working on some cases, but I'm going to take a moment to say that just sitting here and reading the last two pages, I'm still incredibly suspicious of Lily. The feeling just won't go away. I'm goign to case some more now, and the Light help you all. :P

 

 

 

 

Alys never said she was "almost entirely convinced" of Kivam's innocence.  The closest I can find to that is this:

 

I do want to add, that because of what I know because of my role, I don't wholey trust Kivy or Pandy, but! I am not inclined to vote either of them without substantial evidence.

 

Furthermore, I don't know if we should take everything Alys says about gospel.  She hinted that Pale was the double voter and at this point I don't think it's very likely that he is, unless he's a double-voting night-killing machine.

[DPR]

Current Vote Count:

 

Barm (1) - Lily

Kivam (1) - Pete

 

With 15 players, it takes 8 to lynch.

 

Ya'll need to lynch someone. You've got more infomration than any game in history and you're dithering around. Ya'll are not sultry at all...

[LilyElizabeth]

Aw, Wes, you just want us to go to sultry nights again.  ;) :-*

 

 

[a pale tanned lover]

She hinted that Pale was the double voter and at this point I don't think it's very likely that he is, unless he's a double-voting night-killing machine.

Where was the double vote at?

 

Isn't gossip sometimes just rumor?

[WWWwombat]

Another post to note:

 

A question for you Alys. Are you saying that ONLY 1 of them can be Mafia, or at least one of them is mafia.

I already thought of this, but as stated one. It does not qualify with at least or only, for what it’s worth. Like I said, too good to pass up. 2 trusted, one out at best with me being questionable still given that I can’t pin point with any accuracy. Again, I won’t hide the facts.

[LilyElizabeth]

Far, if you truly think I'm mafia (and I can't begin to tell you how flattering, yet suspicious, I find that from you) can you please build your case before I go on LOA Thursday? I'd hate to come back after a nice but exhausting trip and find myself dead. Thanks, hon.  :-*

 

 

[DPR]

Aw, Wes, you just want us to go to sultry nights again.  ;) :-*

 

 

Ohhhhohohohoooo baayyyybeeeee...

 

[a pale tanned lover]

Chairs?.......the colors?...........sultry nights? Oh behave

[Kivam]

For anyone who thinks Barm isn't actually the shrink, please put two and two together.  We clearly have a psycho running around killing people; therefore, we must have a shrink.  Yet there's been no counterclaim.  Ergo, Barm is the shrink.

 

(BTW, if there's a real shrink out there - counterclaim!  The doc can protect you, and we'll nail a scum.  It's worth it)

 

Pale, tell us the name of the person you targeted night 2 - because if Barm is the shrink, we need to keep him alive unless you targeted the cop or doc.  If the person Pale targeted night 2 is NOT the cop or doc, stay quiet.  Pale will take his own bullet for Barm, and you'll tell us your role and any info you have tomorrow, before you die.  If it is the cop or the doc, you need to reveal, so Pale knows to let Barm die.  If that happens, the doc will be in a WIFOM battle with the scum - either they'll target Pale (so he can't prevent the night 2 guy from dying) or they'll target the target (hoping the doc is protecting Pale).  

 

As for today - our list of people to choose from will get a little smaller.  There's obviously no point in voting for Barm, or for whoever Pale targeted for night 2.  Leaving myself, Pale, FDM and Lily out of the equation, that's a solid block of players I'd consider confirmed innocents (not counting the night 2 player)