WOT: Seanchan Succession Mafia - Game Over - Town Wins!

[Talmanes]

Wow the votes are really spread out.

[WWWwombat]

I don't think that Pete is the mafia godfather guiding Alanna into making the wrong call.  Would Jeran have given the godfather a power doubling role?  If not, then why did Alanna claim her power was doubled?  I think it is overwhelmingly likely that Alanna and Pete have the same alignment.  Right now I think that alignment is town.  Also, how do you know cult wouldn't show up as something in Alanna's test?  If I recall correctly, Alanna said her findings give her the parity of the number of anti-town players among the three she selected.

I am not sure if they are or not, but that statement makes it look like (if they are mafia) that you are with them.

If she is mafia with Pete, then of course she would claim it.

Is it that hard to comprehend that she would lie about having a doubled power to back up his claim?

 

This is so confusing right now!

This could be a very good play, or they are actually innocent.

:-\

 

For now, because I almost missed the deadline in two games, I am going to vote for [glow=red,2,300]Tynaal[/glow] as she was one of the three that Alanna 'viewed'. If Alanna is innocent, this is all we have to go off of right now.

 

 

 

I was supposing for the sake of argument that the situation Rose suggested was true and that Alanna was innocent and Pete was guilty.  I was making the point that Alanna wouldn't corroborate Pete's claim unless both were guilty or both were innocent.  I later said that it is possible that Alanna would corroborate if she were guilty and Pete were innocent.  I think it is all but impossible that Pete is guilty and Alanna is innocent.  I think that if Pete is guilty, Alanna is too.

[ed2funy]

lol...Ok...I was just like hello, it is possible.

:D

 

Also....your whole list of what can be splitting off every which way is sort of hard to read. :P

[WWWwombat]

lol...Ok...I was just like hello, it is possible.

:D

 

Also....your whole list of what can be splitting off every which way is sort of hard to read. :P

 

Well I would edit it for readability but not only am I too lazy to do that, but it would be a pretty good way to get myself modkilled.

[ed2funy]

Yes it would. :P

I know you are smarter than that. I hope. :D :P

The second bare-bones one made more sense. I was referring to your first one.

[el Nynaeve]

I have to say that crafty and rose are now on my suspect list, especially rose for her comments about pete being godfather and Alanna corroborating him. Makes no sense. I've played with Pete in several games, this is his normal style and he's often turned out to be innocent.

 

For now I'll vote [glow=red,2,300]Tynaal[/glow] unless she posts a decent defense of herself.

[mnwhiterose]

Why would Jeran give a Godfather a power doubling role?

 

I believe this was asked earlier, and I'm sorry, but I've been a little busy. Life and such.

 

Anyway, I'm not saying what the mod would and would not do, because I'm not him, but who's to say Pete does have both roles. He could claim to have the less powerful role in order to give someone in his group that anonymity. I consider the Godfather role to be very powerful. So, he claims one role, and ignores the other, instead making it a passive role if the true Finder were to come out and reveal. I say true Finder, because what kind of Finder would be given a handicap of giving 3 names, only to get an even/odd response on the probability of who is anti-town? If an odd response is given, than 1 or 3 of those individuals is anti-town, which just confuses poor Alanna even more, unless she knows for a fact that someone in that group is innocent. A true Finder would be able to give a name and know for a fact if someone is innocent or guilty.

 

Of course, I'm not saying that Jeran isn't a good mod. He is a great mod, and I'm sure he knows what he's doing.

 

Now, I would love to know who Pete is protecting by claiming the doubler role. My vote stays on him.

[Jeran]

Vote Update

[glow=green,2,300]

Talmanes (3) - Pete, Wombat, Alanna

Tynaal (3) - Ed, Talmanes, Ellianora

Pete (2) - crafty, Rose

[/glow]

NV: Tigraine, CUBA, Pookie, Tynaal

 

7 to lynch - deadline Wednesday 10:00 PM EST

[Tynaal Consen]

As I have said before Elli a role reveal would render my role useless. It realy would. If I have like 5 votes on me or something I'll reveal.

 

Since you're all going with Pete being innocent, I'm voting for [glow=red,2,300]Talmanes[/glow]

[Alanna]

Well, in the end I am good with going for either Talmanes or Tynaal. But the fact that we started going for Talmanes, and then several people jumped ship to try and vote for someone else, makes me think even more that Talmanes is mafia. I'm not saying everyone who didn't vote for him is mafia too, but I'm pretty sure some of his mafia buddies could be those trying to get us to vote for someone else. Just my observation and suspicions.

 

Rose, you could be right, I may not be the main finder. I should explain, though, there was explanation for my role. I'm a Deathwatch Guard, and inspecting several people per night. Since I'm inspecting more than one person, it's difficult to get a good read on everyone.

 

And honestly, an odd response is better than an even one. If I get even, I have no idea if anyone is anti-town. At least with an odd, I know someone is. Also, the ability isn't as useless as it seems at first. I know when I got it, I was like 'how does this help me at all?' But since I can send in names I've sent in before, so long as I can keep getting more reads, I can start narrowing it down to one person. Plus, not all 'true' finders get 100% reads. Some finders only get 50% accuracy readings, so that doesn't do much good either.

[Tigraine]

I agree with Alanna!  It seems like a certain few are trying to throw suspicion off of Talmanes after it seemed like everyone was deciding to go ahead and lynch him...I could be wrong!

 

[glow=red,2,300]Talmanes[/glow]

[Pookie]

Tuesdays are my bad days and I may not get back to change a vote before the deadline, so apologies if you reveal and I don't see it. 

[glow=red,2,300]Talmanes[/glow]

[Talmanes]

Well I didn't want to do this but I am forced to reveal. I am a finder but with more accurate results. I send in two names and if either of them are mafia I get a positive result, and a negative if neither are. So far I know that Ellianora is innocent and I was going to do Tynaal and Elli tonight to see if it was her or Pete that was guilty out of the two. I'll probably get killed now without protection, but there is a possibility I'll survive. If I get lynched then it's over.

[WWWwombat]

I don't believe you.  What is your Seanchan role name?

[craftyreader]

So you believe Alanna, but not Talmanes?  Could be that there are 2 finders, one for each side....We can't really tell who is who, until one of them is dead though.

 

I just find it curious that you were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, and you immediately say you don't believe him.

[WWWwombat]

When Alanna roleclaimed there wasn't already a similar roleclaim out there.  I think one of Alanna or Talmanes is lying and right now I think it is Talmanes.

[Jeran]

Vote Update

[glow=green,2,300]

Talmanes (6) - Pete, Wombat, Alanna, Tynaal, Tigraine, Pookie

Tynaal (3) - Ed, Talmanes, Ellianora

Pete (2) - crafty, Rose

[/glow]

NV: CUBA

 

7 is a lynch...deadline Wednesday 10:00 PM EST

[Talmanes]

I don't believe you.  What is your Seanchan role name?

I am a Seeker for The Truth.

[WWWwombat]

I don't believe you.  What is your Seanchan role name?

I am a Seeker for The Truth.

 

I thought you would say that.  Unfortunately for you, I think a Seeker for the Truth would be what Rose calls a "true finder."  Still if you had claimed Deathwatch Guard, I would have thought even less of your roleclaim.  Do you have any other abilities, or just the inaccurate find?

[Talmanes]

I am assuming that I get slightly better results because in Seanchan Listeners and Seekers are actually closest to the Finder role. I am still not sure why an Ogier Deathwatch Guard would have a finding ability. It isn't totally accurate but it is much easier to find out people with only two options. And no I have no other abilities. Also some of the roles are different in this game. Maybe there is no one who gets a definite answer. Or maybe there is a Listener in the game too.

[WWWwombat]

I think one of Talmanes and Alanna is lying, so if Talmanes flips innocent, I think I would want to go after Alanna rather than Tynaal or Pete.  I am getting innocent vibes from Pete and Tynaal.  I would like to hear Pete's opinion.  As I said, I think Pete is innocent, and also I trust his judgment.  I want to know if Pete is thinking what I'm thinking.

 

Edit for Talmanes:

 

There was a listener.  He died.

[ed2funy]

i am not sure what the count is and i can't vote from my phone, but I plan on changing it later.

[Talmanes]

Oh yeah I remember that now. He probably was the one that got direct answers. Too bad he died early.

[Talmanes]

That was in response to Wombat by the way.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

Well if Talmanes is innocent, I believe we should go for Tynaal. We have an undisputed roleclaim, and she says that either myself Talmanes or Tynaal is mafia. I am innocent and I doubled Alanna and I have her to back my statement. I believe we should go for Tynaal because we wouldn't want to risk to many finders.