So where was the big time gangster moridin during the cleansing of saidin?

[sheikh chilli]

i was just reading the books again in time for TGS. and i just finished WH. it just occured to me that moridin was absent during the cleansing even though he gave the order to take rand or kill him should he try cleansing saidin.

 

 

so was he hiding behind the skirts of cyndane and moghiedian? what does it say when the strongest forsaken is actually not present to stop the very thing he told his own brethren to stop?

 

 

[Jemlin]

i was just reading the books again in time for TGS. and i just finished WH. it just occured to me that moridin was absent during the cleansing even though he gave the order to take rand or kill him should he try cleansing saidin.

 

 

so was he hiding behind the skirts of cyndane and moghiedian? what does it say when the strongest forsaken is actually not present to stop the very thing he told his own brethren to stop?

 

 

 

A leader doesn't have to take direct part in fights to be a good leader.

 

It would do him and his quest for Eternal power no good to be broiled alive by a circle Aes Sedai and Asha'man, as Osan'gar[speling] was.

 

[Mr. Micawber]

I thought I said this already today on another thread.

 

The man's been working for over three thousands years, working so hard he couldn't even be sealed, and he didn't let death stop him.

 

A man's got a right to a flaming personal day once in a while!

[buckeyebull64]

If Mordin fights, he reveals himself. As it is, only Rand knows he exists, and not much beyond that his balefire isn't saidin.  The True Power (mordin uses nothing else, now) is one of the shadow's aces in the hole, and if you expose to both male and female channelers that you do something neither of them can do, you have a pesky Brown who dives into a book, figures out what you do.  Then Rand has time to think of how to counter it before the last battle.  However much mordin wanted saidin tainted, it wasn't worth revealing the True Power

[Mr. Micawber]

If Mordin fights, he reveals himself. As it is, only Rand knows he exists, and not much beyond that his balefire isn't saidin.  The True Power (mordin uses nothing else, now) is one of the shadow's aces in the hole, and if you expose to both male and female channelers that you do something neither of them can do, you have a pesky Brown who dives into a book, figures out what you do.  Then Rand has time to think of how to counter it before the last battle.  However much mordin wanted saidin tainted, it wasn't worth revealing the True Power

 

False, they know, or at least Rand knows, about the True Power. LTT gives him a little lecture about the Man from Shadar Logoth aka Elan Morin and how he was using "their True Power"

[sheikh chilli]

I thought I said this already today on another thread.

 

The man's been working for over three thousands years, working so hard he couldn't even be sealed, and he didn't let death stop him.

 

A man's got a right to a flaming personal day once in a while!

 

 

:D

 

so moridin saves rand from sammael. and then does not turn up to stop the cleansing as well. what a great naeblis he is. what a great egenral. no wonder the shadow are kicking ass

[Arkelias]

I thought it was always clear where Moridin was.  If you check the WoT timeline you'll realize that Saidin was cleansed on the same day that the 'Friends of the dark, Black Ajah edition' calendar came out.

 

Have you seen some of those ladies? They can sure make creative use of that black shawl.  Moridin wanted to get his copy so he was camping out to make sure he got the first one.

[sheikh chilli]

I thought it was always clear where Moridin was.  If you check the WoT timeline you'll realize that Saidin was cleansed on the same day that the 'Friends of the dark, Black Ajah edition' calendar came out.

 

Have you seen some of those ladies? They can sure make creative use of that black shawl.  Moridin wanted to get his copy so he was camping out to make sure he got the first one.

 

:D :D :D

 

though i must say most of the black ajahs in randland are not bad looking gals. so who can blame moridin eh? :P

[Bob T Dwarf]

I think the serious answer to the question is that, even now, Moridin is only able to sporadically be a way from Shayol Ghul.

 

Apparently the Cleansing happened on one of the days when he could not leave.

[Nightstrike]

i was just reading the books again in time for TGS. and i just finished WH. it just occured to me that moridin was absent during the cleansing even though he gave the order to take rand or kill him should he try cleansing saidin.

I can think of at least a couple of possible reasons. First of all, he might not have meant for them to succeed. The DO might need the Dragon for the final victory. Moridin migtht have sent them with only the intention of them killing off some of the Light's forces - and he might even have been prepared to sacrifice one or two Forsaken in the process. Secondly, Moridin might be severely sick from both use of the TP and from the link to Rand. Maybe he's in more trouble than Rand was, especially since the TP is so extremely addictive.

[Mr. Micawber]

I think the serious answer to the question is that, even now, Moridin is only able to sporadically be a way from Shayol Ghul.

 

Apparently the Cleansing happened on one of the days when he could not leave.

 

Bob, it's SuperFade that's tied to SG, not Moridin.  ??? At least we have zero indication from any of his POVs, whereas SuperFade explicitly grumbles about the link.

 

And ole Elan Morin's got no problem just chillaxing down in Ebou Dar back in Book 8 just sitting around laughing at his Eleven Dimensional Chess game from the AoL.

[VinedC]

If Mordin fights, he reveals himself. As it is, only Rand knows he exists, and not much beyond that his balefire isn't saidin.  The True Power (mordin uses nothing else, now) is one of the shadow's aces in the hole, and if you expose to both male and female channelers that you do something neither of them can do, you have a pesky Brown who dives into a book, figures out what you do.  Then Rand has time to think of how to counter it before the last battle.  However much mordin wanted saidin tainted, it wasn't worth revealing the True Power

Except that, as we know, nobody in this series (except Moiraine towards the end) seems to be trusting enough to consult with, share information with, or generally talk to anyone about anything of importance.  :D  So it may not matter much anyway! So many issues in this series that could have been settled in minutes with a quick conversation.  :P

[Bob T Dwarf]

I think the serious answer to the question is that, even now, Moridin is only able to sporadically be a way from Shayol Ghul.

 

Apparently the Cleansing happened on one of the days when he could not leave.

 

Bob, it's SuperFade that's tied to SG, not Moridin.  ??? At least we have zero indication from any of his POVs, whereas SuperFade explicitly grumbles about the link.

 

And ole Elan Morin's got no problem just chillaxing down in Ebou Dar back in Book 8 just sitting around laughing at his Eleven Dimensional Chess game from the AoL.

 

Yes and no.  They are both tied to SG.  Note that we never see Ba'alzamon anywhere in the real world until his death scene in Tear.  The only two times we see Moridin away from SG are at Shadar Logoth and then later and only briefly in Ebou Dar.  He's still not fully free.

[Hallow]

I think the serious answer to the question is that, even now, Moridin is only able to sporadically be a way from Shayol Ghul.

 

Apparently the Cleansing happened on one of the days when he could not leave.

 

Bob, it's SuperFade that's tied to SG, not Moridin.  ??? At least we have zero indication from any of his POVs, whereas SuperFade explicitly grumbles about the link.

 

And ole Elan Morin's got no problem just chillaxing down in Ebou Dar back in Book 8 just sitting around laughing at his Eleven Dimensional Chess game from the AoL.

 

Yes and no.  They are both tied to SG.  Note that we never see Ba'alzamon anywhere in the real world until his death scene in Tear.  The only two times we see Moridin away from SG are at Shadar Logoth and then later and only briefly in Ebou Dar.  He's still not fully free.

 

Okay so he was.. where exactly when he fought Rand at Falme?

[Inveli]

i was just reading the books again in time for TGS. and i just finished WH. it just occured to me that moridin was absent during the cleansing even though he gave the order to take rand or kill him should he try cleansing saidin.

 

 

so was he hiding behind the skirts of cyndane and moghiedian? what does it say when the strongest forsaken is actually not present to stop the very thing he told his own brethren to stop?

 

 

 

Hiya there sheikh chilli, old buddy, old friend, old pal!

[Mr. Micawber]

I think the serious answer to the question is that, even now, Moridin is only able to sporadically be a way from Shayol Ghul.

 

Apparently the Cleansing happened on one of the days when he could not leave.

 

Bob, it's SuperFade that's tied to SG, not Moridin.  ??? At least we have zero indication from any of his POVs, whereas SuperFade explicitly grumbles about the link.

 

And ole Elan Morin's got no problem just chillaxing down in Ebou Dar back in Book 8 just sitting around laughing at his Eleven Dimensional Chess game from the AoL.

 

Yes and no.  They are both tied to SG.  Note that we never see Ba'alzamon anywhere in the real world until his death scene in Tear.  The only two times we see Moridin away from SG are at Shadar Logoth and then later and only briefly in Ebou Dar.  He's still not fully free.

 

Wrong. I can count at least twice in ACOS, when he is the Watcher clothed in fancloth and when he runs into Rand at SL; there's Ebou Dar obviously.

 

Actually, there is spoilerific stuff I could go into with this, but I can't post about that here.

[Bob T Dwarf]

Okay so he was.. where exactly when he fought Rand at Falme?

 

Nobody knows.  As with the fight at Tarwin's Gap, he was someplace other than the "real" world.  Maybe a vacuole.  Maybe something else.

 

The only time we ever see Ballzy in the real world is when he does his bad Batman in Tear before jumping into T'a'R.

[Reyoru]

Could the answer simply be that RJ was simply saving it for TG? The whole dragon vs chief badass gangsta? I mean it wouldn't be as epic if they'd already had a bout a few months earlier :) if moridin had shown up and killed rand, then the series stops there, and if he shows up takes a beating and goes home crying for mama, you'll undoubtedly think rand has got TG in the bag. Just my thoughts

[Inveli]

Rand is my father. Stop pitting him against Moridin.  :'(

[Mr. Micawber]

Rand is my father. Stop pitting him against Moridin.  :'(

 

Knocked up another unwed teenager, did he?

 

And to think I was starting to dislike his character! ;D

[Thorn]

There's also the question of why Moridin didn't call in Darkfriend channelers from this age, like Taim or Alviarin. It's possible he just wasn't ready for a "last battle" yet and didn't want to commit his "reserves."

[Mr Ares]

Bear in mind it can be dangerous to channel too near your own cour'souvra, so Moridin being there could have hampered the effectiveness of both Moghedien and Cyndane. Also, bear in mind the link between him and Rand. He might not have wanted to test it under the circumstances.

[Mr. Micawber]

Bear in mind it can be dangerous to channel too near your own cour'souvra, so Moridin being there could have hampered the effectiveness of both Moghedien and Cyndane. Also, bear in mind the link between him and Rand. He might not have wanted to test it under the circumstances.

 

Seriously? That puts his absence in a new light.

 

Cyndane, for one, is going to work like the Devil to prevent Rand from cheating on her with Nynaeve re: the Choedan Kal.

 

I think it makes more sense for Hottie McCrazypants plus Moghedien to be there, rather than just Moridin.

[Bob T Dwarf]

Given the amount of OP that Rand was manipulating, and given what effect Rand channeling seems to have on Moridin, it might be that he was simply too sickened to make the party.

 

Jordan did say that the reason for his absence would become obvious later.

[OptimusPrime]

If Mordin fights, he reveals himself. As it is, only Rand knows he exists, and not much beyond that his balefire isn't saidin.  The True Power (mordin uses nothing else, now) is one of the shadow's aces in the hole, and if you expose to both male and female channelers that you do something neither of them can do, you have a pesky Brown who dives into a book, figures out what you do.  Then Rand has time to think of how to counter it before the last battle.  However much mordin wanted saidin tainted, it wasn't worth revealing the True Power

 

False, they know, or at least Rand knows, about the True Power. LTT gives him a little lecture about the Man from Shadar Logoth aka Elan Morin and how he was using "their True Power"

 

Yet Moridin and the rest wont know Rand got a tip off Lews Therin there and then. Im with buckey on this; as far as the Shadow are aware, the True Power is still hidden from Third Agers. Who knows? Maybe Rand will set that brown (Verin please) to reading up about it, he only mentioned that he knew of it in KoD.