Who Hopes Perrin/Egwene Dies?

[Ziggdiezan]

I rly want both of them to die lol.  ;D Perrin pisses me off so much, like how he thinks the sisters should be treated better under Rand... You live in a box for like a few weeks. also he does everything either for faile or him, like giving the Seachan over 200 wise ones to leash, if rand somehow doesn't get the deal that is VERY bad for him. He dosen't care what happens to the world as long as Faile is okay, o wait if he dosen't help Rand Faile dies.

Egwene i just hate here, she thinks she knows everything and she is like 18. Her view towards Rand and stuff is stupid. Sooo much i could tell you why i hate her.

 

Who eles hopes they Die ^^?

[DemandredFO]

FYI:  for everyone that knows my dislike of Perrin and Egwene Ziggdiezan is not me.  I agree with the sentiment and could have written this myself but he is not me.

[Shard]

I don't.

[Dark Justice]

Perrin is a character I used to like. The saving two rivers was amazing. I loved thar part. But the entire "Id let the shadow win, if just faile lives" attitude is just lame.. Nothing more to say.

 

The thing with Egwene is, I think RJ made her role to "super". She is 18. She has hardly been out of the 2 rivers, and already she knows what to do better than "that sanche woman". The wise ones taught her a lot, and gave her backbone. But I cant see it as enough training for what she is doing.

 

However, I do not HOPE they die. If it is essential to the story, then I am perfectly fine with it. But that goes pretty much with all the characters.

The only one I really HOPE dies is Rand. I feel it is so essential to the story that he does. I dont waan a "his scar had not bothered him for XX years" ending like in Harry Potter....

[AmbeRebmA]

About Egwene, I could never understand why so many people hate her so much. She is young, but she was forced into a very dangerous position and managed to hold her own with three different factions within the Rebel Camp. Think what would have happened if Egwene wouldn’t hold on to all these women?  One by one, they would all crawl back to Elaida and can you imagine the power hungry Elaida with the full might of the White Tower behind her? No one could unseat her.

[Dark Justice]

Black Ajah could..  ;)

If Alviarin had it her way, that would have happened a long time ago..

[notorious-big]

also he does everything either for faile or him, like giving the Seachan over 200 wise ones to leash, if rand somehow doesn't get the deal that is VERY bad for him. He dosen't care what happens to the world as long as Faile is okay, o wait if he dosen't help Rand Faile dies.

 

I think the better solution here would be for Faile to die. She's really pretty useless and only serves to divert Perrin's attention away from all the cool shit he could be doing as a ta'veren and Wolfbrother. If she were dead he'd be so much more likeable a character. I certainly wouldn't miss Faile...

[General Cauthon]

People seem to forget how young Egwene is. When I was 18, I thought I knew everything, that I always were right, that everyone else were wrong. That's no excuse, but Egwene has grown alot the last year, both from her time as an Wise One apprentice, and her time as Amyrlin Seat. If you compare Egwene anno KoD, with the Ta'veren trio anno EotW, Egwene is more mature, has a wider perspective, and better "leading skills". IMHO Egwene are going to be one of the great leaders after the Last Battle.

 

When judging Perrin, people seem to forget how it is to be in love. Faile is the only one he has ever loved. At his age, who wouldn't think to themselves that they would do anything in the world to save their loved one? Thinking it, and actually doing it is two different things. I remember my first girlfriend, I would do anything she asked me to do. Whether it was to kill the Pope, or finish my vegetables. Not that I ever did any of those things, but I thought in my head that I would do it if she asked(thank god she didn't ask ;)).

 

Still, when you see the decisions made by Perrin when he is not thinking about Faile's kidnapping, he show signs of great leadership. And since he has the fortune of having two current rulers(Alliandre and Berelain), one former ruler(Morgase), and one future ruler(Faile), to learn from, I believe he will become one of the great leaders after Tarmon Gaidon.

 

This does not mean that I agree with all the decisions made by Egwene or Perrin, but that I understand why they made those decisions, and that I don't hold that against them. After all, both Mat, Rand, and every other major character has made bad decisions, often worse than what Egwene and Perrin has made.

 

[Dunedain Fal]

both Mat, Rand, and every other major character has made bad decisions, often worse than what Egwene and Perrin has made.

 

 

Mat made a bad decision that was worse what Egwene or Perrin made?!  Come on, I haven't seen anything remotely like that.

[General Cauthon]

also he does everything either for faile or him, like giving the Seachan over 200 wise ones to leash, if rand somehow doesn't get the deal that is VERY bad for him. He dosen't care what happens to the world as long as Faile is okay, o wait if he dosen't help Rand Faile dies.

 

If the 200 Wise Ones fight Rand for the Shaido, or for the Seanchan, does it really make a difference?

 

Because of Perrin's actions, Rand is more likely to get a truce with the Seanchan, because they respect Perrin, and realize that if everyone that follows the Dtagon has the same skills, they wouldn't stand a chance anyway. (Mat's campaign in Altara proves the same; against the Dragon(considering Mat and Perrin second-in-command after Rand) they cannot win). That Perrin was able to defeat 300+ channelers, with less than 2 dozen himself, will only cause the Seanchan to be more alert against the Rand/Mat/Perrin, and thus more eager to make a truce.

 

 

[General Cauthon]

Mat made a bad decision that was worse what Egwene or Perrin made?!  Come on, I haven't seen anything remotely like that.

 

First, let me say that Mat is my favorite character. But he still decided to leave Rand, and don't take any part of the Last Battle(tFoH). That he didn't succeed doesn't matter, he still made that decision; neither Egwene nor Perrin did.

 

And what decision did Egwene or Perrin ever make that was so horrific?

[Ziggdiezan]

The Seachan no how to take out chanlers easily now, other than blowing them up. And the Seachan already knew of stragey or why would they have thousands of pounds of the tea anyways.

[Sab]

Isn't Perrins actions I hate, it how his attitude has changed.  I find him boring with all his being moody and non stop why does Faile smell of anger why is she jealous.  Just find his parts in the book boring.  

 

 

Egwene I dislike for same reason I dislike most the women in the books.  Time after time they rush head long into something and get captured.  I mean really how many times has Egwene, Elyane or Ny been captured?  Their I know better then you attitude just gets old after awhile.  The women I enjoy such as Avi and Min sadly get hardly any book time.

 

Don't think many if any of the main characters will die.  We have a good idea Egwene and Elayne has a long reign ahead of them.  We know Mat won't die and pretty sure Perrin won't bite it.  Avi we know will live since she has to have Rands babies.  I can see Lan and Min dieing.  

[AmbeRebmA]

I am not a huge fan of Perrin, but as far as I can see he managed to do more good for Rand than all his other followers combined:

1. He completely annihilated the Shaido forces and as of KOD they are returning to the Waste.

2. He managed to kill off most of Masema’s army fighting the Shaido.

3. He aligned Ghealdan to the Dragon Reborn

 

At least the first two points would have brought disaster if not dealt with in time, and Ghealdan's proximity to Tarabon also draws the line for Seanchan advances. Love him or hate him - he is vital to pattern.

[General Cauthon]

Isn't Perrins actions I hate, it how his attitude has changed.  I find him boring with all his being moody and non stop why does Faile smell of anger why is she jealous.  Just find his parts in the book boring. 

 

I agree. But I get why RJ wrote those parts that way. IMO RJ just tried to show how young adults, that are in love, act.

 

Egwene I dislike for same reason I dislike most the women in the books.  Time after time they rush head long into something and get captured.  I mean really how many times has Egwene, Elyane or Ny been captured?  Their I know better then you attitude just gets old after awhile.  The women I enjoy such as Avi and Min sadly get hardly any book time.

 

I agree(again ;)). But I take into the consideration that Egwene(and Elayne/Nynaeve) is still young, and inexperinced. After all, we see that most of the Asha'man are of the same mindset; "We are superior to everyone else". Most of the channelers that haven't got that POW corrected, are IMO brats. But we see that Egwene has learned that lesson by KoD; that she is the Amyrlin of the Rebels doesn't mean anything/ that she is the most powerful woman in the White Tower the last thousand years(except Nynaeve) doesn't mean anything; it is who she is that matters. Her behavior in KoD suggest(atleast to me), that she has learned the lesson that Cadsuane tries to learn Rand(and the Asha'man); "What can be endured must be endured"

[General Cauthon]

1.  He completely annihilated the Shaido forces and as of KOD they are returning to the Waste.

2.  He managed to kill off most of Masema’s army fighting the Shaido.

3.  He aligned Ghealdan to the Dragon Reborn

 

I agree!!!!

 

Whether his motivation was Faile, or TG, his results are GREAT. That may not be interesting reading, but it may prove necessary when TG comes along. ;)

[erickm001]

I like both Perrin and Eqwene and look forward to their story lines in the next books. Perrin will probably be going head-to-head with White Cloaks, and Egwene will be facing Eliada for the first time.

 

Perrin has gone through much hell in the story (family slaughtered, PTSD from bloody combat, etc.), but he has a role to play in the story and I'm sure it will be awsome.

 

Perrin can be moody, and a general pain in the ass at times, but he redeems himself. When Rand was captured by the tower, Perrin would have went by himself to get Rand back. When Faile was captured, he would have sold out to the Dark One to get her back -- but he didn't, and accomplished a mighty victory in the end.

 

I love Egwene, and do not understand the animosity toward her. She's smart, she's tough, and she's from the Two Rivers.

[AmbeRebmA]

Elayne’s contributions:

1. Along with Nyneve recovered male a’dam bracelets from dark friend sisters and Moghedien Tanchico (their reappearance was out of their control)

2. Along with Nyneve found and used the Bowl of the Winds, which essentially saved the world from baking alive before the Last Battle

3. Disarmed/Killed a number of Black sisters with pretty dangerous ter’anreal

4. She now controls one of the most powerful countries in Randland with a substantial army at her disposal and aligned herself with the Dragon Reborn.

 

Nyneve’s contributions:

1. She was directly responsible for Rahvin’s death (Rand would have died if she had not fried him in time).

2. Captured Moghedien twice.

3. Healed Stilling and found a new way of healing

4. Helped Rand cleanse Saidin (yes Alivia was strong enough to do it, but Nyneve is one of the few people Rand trusts).

5. Saved our favorite warder and arranged to give him a fighting chance in the Last Battle. Then chose duty over her heart to stay and protect Rand.

 

Just as General Cauthon said you have to consider that they start out very young and inexperienced, but their character growth throughout the books is incredible and their value to Rand is indefinite.

 

[Majsju]

 

 

I love Egwene, and do not understand the animosity toward her. She's smart, she's tough, and she's from the Two Rivers.

 

She is a woman, that makes a lot of difference to some people.

Looking at what she gets criticised for, pretty much everything is just as true for Rand, but with him it seems easier to accept.

[MikeRiley]

I don't hate either character (actually, I can't think of one character I do hate), but I can see Perrin and Egwene both dying in the Last Battle. It would fit Perrin's whole plot. He just wants to be a blacksmith, fate smacked him in the face a few times and he's a lord leading men in battle. Wants a quiet life in the Two Rivers and it'd just fit that fate kills him too, tragic and all that. He's already given up his right to bring back Manetheren, too.

 

Egwene I think will die simply because the big theories are that she will be the next leader. I don't think she'll be Amyrlin, it'll be Tarna. Egwene is too young and she already said she would do anything to make the White Tower whole again. Either way, I don't see a real future for her or Perrin. Of course, I'd say the same for Mat if Robert Jordan didn't spoil the ending for us by saying he survived TG!

[mb]

To me it does not matter who dies or who lives, as long as they fulfill their prophesied/foreshadowed parts.

 

For Perrin, his death would have to come after he gains the crown of Saldaea; and he also has to this part from the Karaethon Cycle:

"When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known."

 

Faile, she will need to be alive until Perrin gains Saldaea's throne; maybe also until they produce at least one heir.

 

For Egwene, her death would probably need to be after the White Tower is united under her and probably after Rand faces the Amyrlin.

 

[Charlz Guybon]

To me it does not matter who dies or who lives, as long as they fulfill their prophesied parts.

 

For Perrin, his death would have to come after he gains the crown of Saldaea;

 

That's more foreshadowed, than prophesied IIRC, but I do agree that will happen.

[UGAShadow]

I don't get all the Egwene hate.  I've liked her more since she became Amyrlin than I did before.

[lgautam]

I really dislike Egwene, but I hope she doesn't die. Her POVs as captive in the White Tower were pretty cool reading.

I think she's really self-centered. I also don't see why she has to throw heart and soul into the fate of Aes Sedai. She is completely unaware of all the major happenings - Rand's kidnapping, Black Tower disaster, etc. She is all like, I won't let Rand chain Aes Sedai.

What makes her and all Aes Sedai so much more better and more important than everyone else in Randland including the Dragon Reborn!

It would seriously piss me off if we saw Rand KNEELING to her!

Unlike the other characters she retains absolutely NO loyalty towards her old home and her friends.

[erickm001]

I think she's really self-centered. I also don't see why she has to throw heart and soul into the fate of Aes Sedai. She is completely unaware of all the major happenings - Rand's kidnapping, Black Tower disaster, etc. She is all like, I won't let Rand chain Aes Sedai.

What makes her and all Aes Sedai so much more better and more important than everyone else in Randland including the Dragon Reborn!

It would seriously piss me off if we saw Rand KNEELING to her!

Unlike the other characters she retains absolutely NO loyalty towards her old home and her friends.

 

I sure don't see her as self centered. She throws her heart and soul into the Aes Sedai because she's trying to reform it -- she wants all woman who can touch the power to be part of the tower. Very revolutionary. She nagged at Rand the last time they were together, which was unpleasant but it doesn't mean she will betray him. There's been little communication between the two, I'm looking forward to their meeting in the upcoming books. The Aes Sedia are important because they are very powerful, and have much influence. All of the woman she's bring to the tower will help win the last battle and help in the aftermath. I don't think it's been demonstrated she has no loyalty towards her old or friends. She's doing a tough and dangerous job. If she's tough on the Two River novices it because she wants them trained right.

 

Egwene is very cool. The tower will be packed full of woman with kids everywhere, if she gets her way.