No Frills Newbie Mafia--Game OVER!

[JenLenaMom]

Good Job, Nae!

 

Seriously, I might have started to doubt my own sanity if you hadn't been right there with me.  Especially when Mynd revealed but was still POSITIVE that loki was innocent. 

 

Which re-mynds me, What had you so sure about loki, mynd?

[Verbal32]

Is NO ONE going to say good job, Nae.... you had Loki spotted from almost DAY ONE.  And the only one to believe me was JLM. I was relentless on continuing to keep my vote on him.  Thank's for the extra point for that FDM. ;) Least someone was paying attention.

 

*hugs*

*grabs*

*insert various other terms*

 

*bows down before Nae*  I'm sorry.  :(  You DID you well, as you and I were the ones putting the bullseye on Loki from the beginning, but people didn't listen to us.  Well, some did, but not enough.

 

Can you forgive me?

 

*puppy ewok eyes*

[Graendals favourite]

I forgot to that FDM perviously, so thanks!

 

It may be because this was a newbie game, but in this game you three did give the perfect opportunity for us to do the kill-clim-and-then-lynch-someone-else-than-loki. Because there were little signs of mafia action, you three being so adamant made it very plausible that at least two of you were mafia! At least to inexperienced players. What I thought on the third round, I could not start sprouting wisdom, but I could hint at the logic behind the supposed mafia action, so others could find it who had less experience and did not automatically suspect loki. For example, it had not surfaced that the mafia intended get Loki killed by the nk day 2, JLM was talking about framing Mynd, so I pointed out to look for patterns and some other comment, they weighed more on the people who had been less active than the three who had been so long voting Loki.

 

In my guise i did use always having a secret motive that made sense that wasn't too hard to think out. This only helps a newbie disguise, at least to the same extent, so I can reveal, but well, people always like it when they get to puzzle out something, so you should give them an easy puzzle in all your actions, they will believe it when they thought of it themselves.

 

In this situation, the three opponents tried to give people complete solutions, forgetting that they themselves might look suspicious to new eyes.

[Myndrunner]

mY fIrsT mAfIa

 

Hey gang,

 

First, let me say for my first Mafia, this was a lot of fun.  I really enjoyed playing with you all and I hope that you all enjoyed playing with me. Keeping in MYND that this is just a game, I think we all can have a nice chuckle about this one. I know I will.  Great job everyone!

 

I would love to discuss my tactics, but honestly, I really only had one....survive long enough to study everyones play strategies.  This was my first Mafia, and certainly not my last, so watching how everyone reacted to my finger pointing was very enlightening.  I also figured the Mafia would be crazy to try and go after me if I was acting the raging heathen.  It is better to be the right hand of the devil than in his path. 

 

I had no idea that Loki was innocent or guilty....I just picked him at random and assumed he was innocent as a basis for my accusations.  I wanted to get folks into an either/or situation.  Had we not lost an innocent last night, we probably would have gotten them all.

 

Also, I healed Lorie last night. I should have thought about it and healed Nae but oh well. 

 

But let me ask you, what would have been different if I had kept quiet? Was I any less convincing in my arguments than any of you? Just so I understand, we lost this game because of my random accusations?

 

Anyways, this has been both fun and informative  I am looking forward to the next one we play....and I promise to be a little less over-the-top.......a little.  ;)  Again, thanks and....GROUP HUG, EVERYBODY!!

[Graendals favourite]

Yea, It was lots of fun!! *hugs*

 

Lorie, hmm, not that far off, I for one thought her too dangerous since you were arguing long with her, and even accusing her of being mafia.

 

 

To answer from the point of view of an inexperienced mafia, the play would have gone somewhat different had you been more silent, but then again it would have been along different routes. I think you pretty much convinced people you were not mafia, at least I couldn't imagine you as one. We certainly took your presence into account.

 

There were some things that made your tactic risky. First day i also wondered whether you might be finder, but you changing your mind like that convinced me you were not. The finder had seen once, and I was afraid you talking about finding fish meant you had seen loki, but then you forgot about loki. Also, you comments allowed me to gauge clim unnoticed, most of all i suspected him of being finder, and him clamming tight after we together 'covered' his earlier messaging of being finder let me know he was one. He was putting up evidence for future use, and i was reading for such a thing, so there i did not attract attention partly because you were vocal on the same issue.

 

Second was that twice I could bandwagon with you to lynch an innocent. It is very difficult to simply start lynching an innocent as mafia, but an innocent who is already accused, you only need a credible excuse when it is done properly. As i remember moggy commenting before nk2, paraphrasing, "mynd is useful, he can get himself lynched and be used in bandwagons." (of course, going after you then would have killed loki, too, and then of course you were healer which we did not know)

 

However, this isn't to say any other these things wouldn't have worked without you being so active, other solutions would have been thought up, but you did give excuses to do things unnoticed, draw attention away from any coordinated action we might do.

[JenLenaMom]

One thing Mynd, unless you are the finder and ready to reveal, never say you are positive someone is innocent. 

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Yes, I think the game would have gone a bit different had you kept a little more quiet Mynd. I think that Nae and JLM would have been able to get the Loki lynch off much easier, since Loreina was willing to go there, and Luthine would have wavered. That would have forced GF or Moggy to place a sacrafice vote on Loki, and you would have had your first mafia.

 

With Loki gone, it would have been much easier to notice Moggy's lack of activity. People would have spent more time trying to logic it out, rather than defend themselves against your wild accusations. You were so sure that two innocents were mafia, the mafia really just let you do their work for them. If you notice, 75% of the talking was done by the innocents. The mafia really didn't even need to play. :P To be honest, if I had been playing, I would have lynched you outright, since you continued to refuse to justify your actions, while everyone else was. It was a learning experience though, and just a game, so it was still fun.

 

With all that said, I think it is important to remind everyone that while you may want to last the whole game, the end goal is for your TEAM to win. You need to be a team player in this, and work together. Less is more, especially when you are at a disadvantage. With the mafia allowed to speak to each other outside of the game and actively set you up, you really only have your numbers to rely on.  ;D

[Verbal32]

But let me ask you, what would have been different if I had kept quiet? Was I any less convincing in my arguments than any of you? Just so I understand, we lost this game because of my random accusations?

 

Not at all.  We lost the game because the mafia played very well, and we ended up confusing each other with innocents having to defend themselves against innocents.  How quiet you were had nothing to do with it....random accusations are cool and quite funny on Day 1, but after that then tend to make it harder for the innocents.  As FDM said, we only have our numbers, so that is why when I saw myself going down, I didn't try to do anything crazy except insist that once found innocent, you should take down Loki.

 

Either way, the game was fun, and it's just a game.  *hugs Mynd*  I actually think your play was hysterical, and was laughing at almost each post.  :D

[Loreina]

I'm sorry Verbal, I have to disagree with you somewhat. The Mafia had a lot of help. They probably didn't even break a sweat in this one.  ;) :)

As Far said, in your first game you have to listen to the people who have played before. You follow their lead. In my first game, I was sure that I knew who the symp was, etc., but Vemy and Nae disagreed, and I gave in, because they were the seasoned players and I was the Newbie. Of course, he and Nae were right. Random accusations may serve a purpose, but they must be worded carefully and used at the right time. I learned that the hard way in my first game. I almost got myself lynched on Day 1 trying to be playful that way. Mynd was acting so Mafiaish that, as Jen said, it made it that much harder to ID the real Mafia. I'd suspected Moggy was Mafia, and then also Graendal, but with Loki already Mafia in my mind, and Mynd loudly proclaiming him an innocent, I kept coming up with four Mafia, no matter how I looked at things, which is why I said what I did about maybe having four Mafia.  Yes, it's 'just a game', but it still has rules, and this game proved that if you ignore the rules, you lose.

Mynd, it's not that we think you should have 'kept quiet'. That's an over exaggeration. We know this was your first game. Did you read the posts carefully? Did you look at the voting patterns? Did you notice inconsistencies in timing? What did you base your accusations on?  Your arguments were not convincing. That's why we kept asking for more info. At the beginning of the game, people usually don't have good reasons for their votes. Random, unfounded accusations are common then, and so is joking around. But by the end of the first day, patterns begin to form. And by the third day, things get tense, and you better have some really good reasons for your accusations.

 

[glow=red,2,300] Nae, GREAT JOB![/glow] And I was with you on Loki, everytime.  ;) *high fives*  ;D

 

[Moghedian]

Wow, that game was fun!  ;D

Nice playing everyone and Nae well done on suspecting Loki.  ;)

Oh and I was actually busy or asleep during the crucial parts (we are twelve hours ahead of most of you  ;)).

[Myndrunner]

I'm sorry Verbal, I have to disagree with you somewhat. The Mafia had a lot of help. They probably didn't even break a sweat in this one.  ;) :)

As Far said, in your first game you have to listen to the people who have played before. You follow their lead. In my first game, I was sure that I knew who the symp was, etc., but Vemy and Nae disagreed, and I gave in, because they were the seasoned players and I was the Newbie. Of course, he and Nae were right. Random accusations may serve a purpose, but they must be worded carefully and used at the right time. I learned that the hard way in my first game. I almost got myself lynched on Day 1 trying to be playful that way. Mynd was acting so Mafiaish that, as Jen said, it made it that much harder to ID the real Mafia. I'd suspected Moggy was Mafia, and then also Graendal, but with Loki already Mafia in my mind, and Mynd loudly proclaiming him an innocent, I kept coming up with four Mafia, no matter how I looked at things, which is why I said what I did about maybe having four Mafia.  Yes, it's 'just a game', but it still has rules, and this game proved that if you ignore the rules, you lose.

Mynd, it's not that we think you should have 'kept quiet'. That's an over exaggeration. We know this was your first game. Did you read the posts carefully? Did you look at the voting patterns? Did you notice inconsistencies in timing? What did you base your accusations on?  Your arguments were not convincing. That's why we kept asking for more info. At the beginning of the game, people usually don't have good reasons for their votes. Random, unfounded accusations are common then, and so is joking around. But by the end of the first day, patterns begin to form. And by the third day, things get tense, and you better have some really good reasons for your accusations.

 

[glow=red,2,300] Nae, GREAT JOB![/glow] And I was with you on Loki, everytime.  ;) *high fives*  ;D

 

 

So, can we still be friends? :-*  *opens arms for a hug*

[Naeann]

Thank you all. :P

 

Lorei... listen to the oldies.. but take what they say with a grain of salt... Loki is an oldbie too after all... and I usually fall right into his traps.  I must admit I was so convinced he was mafia that I didn't even pay attention to who else might be.  I encouraged Mynd to reveal because I had the feeling he was headed for getting himself lynched.  Ask Vemy... extremely aggressive play styles don't get you far.  All the newbies did a great job for their first game. :)

[Loreina]

Of course, Nae. ;) After all, we might be lying Mafia scum. In fact, at one point I considered (briefly) that you might be a low-lying Mafia. But it just didn't 'compute'. ;D

 

Of course, Mynd! *big hugs* All's fair in love and Mafia!

*grimaces* OK, you can let go now...I didn't mean to be so hard on you...*chokes* please...*passes out*

:D

*regains conciousness*  Thanks! 

 

Luthine, you were gone a while, (I understand, exams), but when you came back you said:

In case I don't have time to come back and re-read before the deadline I'll vote JLM

  At this point in the game, with the situation we had, it was crucial to reread carefully before voting. After this I called you Mafia three times, just to get your attention, and force you to reread. You said:

I don't think Loki is Mafia because he tied with Verbal and could have been lynched in his stead. If he were Mafia, I believe his buddies would have swayed the votes elsewhere and it wouldn't have been much trouble since there were only 3 votes on each *nods*

That told me you still hadn't reread carefully, which I pointed out to you. Then you said:

And sure, I went through all this trouble and revealed myself as Mafia when we're so clearly gonna win...

I almost banged my head on the desk. We were so clearly NOT gonna win *G*. I'm curious. What made you think so? You never gave any reason for voting for JLM. I'm interested in your opinion.  You only said:

From what I've (quickly) read, I'd say either JLM or Mynd is mafia but others have made their fair share of confusing posts >_>

I'm curious to know to whom you were referring here, because I don't think Nae, JLM, or I could have been any clearer at this point in the game. To improve my game, I need to know if I confused you, as well as where and how I did it. 

You finished with:

I'll comeback tomorrow with (hopefully) useful stuff and arguments to back up my theories, right now my bed awaits

  :) At this point in the game, when 'tomorrow' is hanging by a thread, a serious Mafia player does not go to bed  ;) ;D. j/k Anyway, I'd like to hear those theories now.  :)

 

Clim! Who did you view night one? I'm curious as to who you thought most likely Mafia. And I also would like to know why you didn't break the tie on the Loki-Verbal vote. Just trying to understand better, no criticism intended.  :)

 

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

On night 1 he viewed JLM and got a roleless innocent reading.

 

On night 2 he viewed Mynd and knew he was the Healer.

 

But then he died. :(

[Loreina]

I have never been Finder and I sort of fear the role. *shivers*  Do you find that it is any more difficult than any other role?

 

 

 

[loki redfern]

its more scary, though ive never been the healer, so i cant compare it,  but the finder, you know if you get night killed then the innocents are usually pretty much shafted, but it is brilliant when you can put it off

 

 

on the game. oh gods i played terriblly then, and i soooo did not desreve to survive to the end. but once a started well i thought i might at least take the heat of the others, and when mynd allied himself with me, i tryed to play along and figured if i got taken down he was going with me. though i still stand by the no lynch being a good idea for the innocents, twas a last ditch attempt to look innocent.  obviously ...um not a very obvious one, but you lost this was so you cant say it would have worked worse :P

[Luthine]

Well done Mafia 8)

Kudos to Verb, Nae, Loreina and JLM too for seeing through Loki's play.

 

Now's the time for the mea culpa  :) I admit to being completely dense on this one and I deserve the blame just as much as Mynd.

 

You're right Loreina, I didn't pay enough attention to the game (and I hate doing that, it's no fun and most of all it hinders your team) and went only with gut feelings.

 

I knew from the start that one of the Mafia had to be experienced, which meant Loki or Nae and I decided early on that it had to be Nae as she seemed to be laying low and Loki's charge on Verb seemed so lame.

Based on that, no wonder I got everything else wrong, besides I tried to focus more on the game when things got serious but my finals had really sucked the life outta me. 

 

To improve my game, I need to know if I confused you, as well as where and how I did it.

Not that I can remember...  :( except that time when you accused me of being Mafia, I thought you were coming at me pretty strongly (didn't know it was part of your strategy) but overall I never suspected you

I think the confusing posts I was referring to were Mynd's, entertaining as they were :P

 

And sure, I went through all this trouble and revealed myself as Mafia when we're so clearly gonna win...

 

That was attempted sarcasm, with you accusing me of being Mafia and of doing exactly what I said a Mafia would do. Sorry if it hurt your head :D

 

I have never been Finder and I sort of fear the role. *shivers*  Do you find that it is any more difficult than any other role?

Ye~s! Stupid role.

I hate being Finder ( maybe because both times I have been, I sucked at it so much :P ) it's such responsibility and you have to be extra cautious and say enough not to be NK and quiet enough not to be lynched.  And of course, figure out the Mafia before you die

Compared to it, Healer is piece of cake ^^

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

See, I'm the exact opposite. I LOVE LOVE LOVE being Finder. I do a pretty fair job at it, and I love getting to whittle the list down one by one.

 

I HATE being Healer, because I feel a big obligation to the innocents, and if I do poorly then I feel like the game was blown because I didn't call the mafia action right. And I'm a pretty vocal player, so I die fairly quickly in the games I'm in. So my being Healer is typically a bad thing.  :-\

[Loreina]

Luthine! *hugs* Thanks! I'm sorry, I probably was too strong. I was desperate!  :) Funny you should say that about Nae and Loki, because I did the same thing, but picked Loki, so I understand.

 

Loki:

oh gods i played terriblly

What! *hushshshsh*  You shouldn't have said that; I thought you did what you did on purpose to help us learn. It was a good learning experience.

 

Far, should we have lynched Blig?  I started wondering about that and how it put us down one from the start. The fact that Graendal started the 'inactive lynch' idea with me caught my attention, and then later I wondered what would have happened had Blig been Mafia. Would you have replaced him or let us go with only two Mafia? Just curious.

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Well, in bigger games I won't worry about replacing someone. I'll just modkill them for inactivity.

 

For a small game like this, I may have rep'd him...but it took us so long to get the members we had, I probably would have had a bit of a time finding someone on the fly like that. Ultimately, Blig's lynch didn't really matter. He was active, if only sporadically...he could have just as likely been Healer or Finder laying low--thank goodness that wasn't the case...but with the first lynch, choosing someone inactive is just as productive as anything else. I do believe that you should lynch someone, so with having no information to go on (and the mafia ultimately going to either vote random or at the innocent target), one person is just about as likely as another. The chances you would have all willingly bandwagoned on a mafia first turn is Extremely Unlikely.

 

And that is also why I never participate in the first vote. 99% of the time they turn out innocent, and I can't justify participating in votes that make no sense. :P

[Loreina]

I do believe that you should lynch someone,

And that is also why I never participate in the first vote.

*lol* Isn't that a little contradictory?  Because if everyone did that obviously no one would get lynched.  :)

 

He was active, if only sporadically

That was the other game. He quit this one before it really started. He told us we were boring! HA! He should have stuck around, Mynd would have entertained his socks off!  ;D ;D

 

But you answered my question, thanks!  :)

 

 

[loki redfern]

*lol* Isn't that a little contradictory?  Because if everyone did that obviously no one would get lynched.  :)

 

do as we says not as we does ;D the thing nyneve..beh sp says with the i dont have to make sence thing yeh

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Yes, it is in a sense contradictory, but it is how I play the game, so that's why I didn't tell you to do it my way. I'm aware that if everyone did as I did nothing much would happen, however I can't justify throwing votes away. Call it a need to remain as consistent as possible.

 

Something needs to happen on Day 1, so whether you choose to vote or not is entirely up to you. My playstyle dictates that I don't place a vote, but it isn't wrong for it to go another way. :D