Question about Nynaeve

[metria31183]

What do you think would have happened to Nynaeve if she hadn't left Emond's Fields?  If none the events in tEotW happened and Nynaeve and everyone were still in Emonds Field, what would have happened to Nynaeve fifty years down the road with she is 70 some odd years old and still looks like she is in her twenties?  Nynaeve is a strong channeler and without the Oath Rod, I would guess that she could live 600 or 700 years.  What would happen when people around her started realizing that she wasn't aging?  Any thoughts?

[havoc110]

Presumably, that wouldn't be allowed to happen...

 

Eventually, she'd manifest her strength in the OP, someone would make

her angry (like that's hard to do) and KABLAMMO!

 

Not KABLAMMO! in an incendiary way, but in an OP way.

 

There's probably TV agents roaming around looking for wilders every day,

and regardless, with her power level, she'd shine like a lighthouse in the night.

 

So eventually, depending on the nature of her "manifestation", which knowing Nynaeve, she'd probably heal someone that was "mostly dead", and her draw of so much OP (since she'd have no training she'd have to do it with volume rather than the correct weaves), she'd bring the whole White Tower down on her head anyway.

 

The WT isn't going to sit back and let the strongest channeler of her generation

stay in some obscure village in the corner of Andor...

[Bob T Dwarf]

Or, without training and guidance, she would have died from the aftereffects of channeling.

[JenLenaMom]

She had already passed that point.

 

I don't think she would have still looked 20 at 70 probably 30 to 40. 

 

She could have still died from illness or accident though and never made it that far.

[42Bonzo88]

    Here's another question, not to take away from the original one, but would she have gotten Married? Would she stay Wisdom? Would she stay in Emond's Field or Egwene would leave?

[balefireruinssteaks]

The point of being a "wilder" is that Nyneave already got past the point where other women who channel without knowing it waste away and die, as someone said before. 

 

Nyneave would not have had some sudden manifestation of the One Power because she had already done that, and survived it.  She probably would have continued to go along life channeling involuntarily, or perhaps she would have figured out what she could do and utilize it with her herbs and what comes with being a Wisdom.  I don't know if someone who is a wilder lives the full 600-700 years or if they die earlier because they are not actively channeling the One Power.  She might have lived an unusually long life but it seems to me that she would have died eventually as any other normal person would have...suffice it to say while others died at 90 years old she might have lived to be 120-130 years old, possibly longer. 

 

Remember that it's not unusual for people in this age to live well into their hundreds and several hundreds if they are Aes Sedai but the idea of living to even four hundred shocked full Sisters...let alone the one Kin member who is six hundred years old.  Wilders probably live unusually long lives but not SO unusual that it requires people to wonder if they are channeling.  Most people probably don't even make that connection.

 

 

[trakand_01]

I reckon she'd have left EF eventually, for whatever reason. Same with Egwene, knowing what we do of her character now (character in terms of personality, not Egwene as a character), I cannot see her having been happy to be Nynaeve's apprentice and then Wisdom herself. I think Nynaeve would have probably burnt herself out eventually, trying to heal someone too far.

[Asmo]

To her? Not much, I suppose. She is so strong she could channel Balefire largely untrained, and it's hard to go past such a limit fumbling around by yourself, probably, so she wouldn't burn herself out even if she began actively channeling. After accidentally killing a few people trying to Heal them, if she ever did that, she'd probably decide to go to the White Tower herself to learn how to do it properly. In the end, even if she hadn't gone with Moiraine and the others, I still think she'd end up being Aes Sedai.

 

But all the stuff about her attracting other female channelers is very incorrect. No Aes Sedai ever visited Emond's Field other than Moiraine that we know of in Nynaeve's lifetime, else they'd have taken her away. It is unlikely someone would just pop up there and randomly scoop her up. And to channel as much of the One Power to be felt across Andor you'd have to be using the Choedan Kal, Nynaeve was strong but nowhere near strong enough to be felt in even nearby cities - it took a circle of 13 powerful channelers using three angreal to be felt in Ebou Dar which was almost in sight - by your logic, their channeling into the Bowl should have caused as much commotion as the cleansing of Saidin. No matter what Nynaeve did noone would be able to feel her unless she was at least in the village, and it is hard to assume someone would just go there. Of course, rumors would probably spread, and Aes Sedai would eventually inquire, but that's a different story.

 

More importantly, Rand would have probably used Elayne or Egwene to cleanse Saidin. Or Cadsuane. But either would have taken the chance to tie another string to him to control him. Nynaeve was the best chance by far, and not only because she was the strongest. Alivia would have been even better, for that matter, since she was far less likely than even Nynaeve to take advantage of the situation.

[aevogt]

I could buy that, presumably Ny never had any truly negative feelings towards Aes Sedai until Moraine.

[Dhaos]

I'd imagine she'd eventually have to live like the Kin: changing identities, moving around as a Wise Woman and herbalist, staying away from Aes Sedai if she ever figured out what she was actually doing.

 

Not that the Aes Sedai would do much to her, if they found her 40 or 50 years down the line.  They were pretty set in not taking anyone over a fairly young age.  And they're so prejudiced against wilders they wouldn't want her anyway.  It's an interesting question though!

[RAND AL THOR]

 

 

She could have still died from illness or accident though and never made it that far.

 

Channelers don't get ill.

[Bob T Dwarf]

Possibly they do get ill.

 

I think it's the kaffe klatsch in KoD.  It's after Mesaana has been 'disciplined' and Aran'gar notes how pale and listless she seems, wondering if she might not be ill.  So, if channelers don't get ill, Aran'gar didn't get the memo.

[RAND AL THOR]

Oh well.............. ::)

 

 

We have yet to see a sister with a cold, and considering the LARGE number of Aes Sedai that we HAVE seen, none were mentioned having a disease. Even if another sister healed them, wouldn't it have been mentioned somewhere? The absence of common disease is one of the disturbing things about WOT.

[Jehaine]

Dunno, Nynaeve would need a metaphorical crowbar to leave the Two Rivers. In the Books, that was an Aes Sedai leaving with Egwene, Rand, Mat AND Perrin. Lan, and learning how to Heal came after that, those don't count. If Nynaeve would still have remained in Emond's Field after all of that, i'd doubt she'd leave even if the place burned down around her.

 

I can see the Kin getting in touch with her though, but i think it'd ultimately end up with her becoming the local Kin representative in the area, teaching the girls to channel without forcing them to go to the White Tower (read: leave Emond's Field).

[Luckers]

Channelers have a higher resistance to disease--that we know. Nynave states it as an immunity, and Moiraine says that it wouldn't cover the taint of Shadar Logoth--but how fair that resistance extends, we don't know. It might well be possible for a channeler to fall ill--only requiring that they contract ibola or some such. Certainly aran'gar's comment suggests it CAN occur.

 

I can see the Kin getting in touch with her though, but i think it'd ultimately end up with her becoming the local Kin representative in the area, teaching the girls to channel without forcing them to go to the White Tower (read: leave Emond's Field).

 

Despite what the Aes Sedai believe, the Kin do not accept or approach wilders. Beyond that, the Kin stick to the coastal regions, as far from the Tower as possible--the likelyhood of a Kinswomen ending in Emmonds Field is slim.

[Jehaine]

So they'd be in Amadicia, but not in channeler-favoring Andor? I find that rather hard to believe myself, i'm afraid. Also because teh Kin have a tendency to find runaway Novices and Accepted, which implies they are able to pick out a channeler from a crowd even if she doesn't yet have the ageless look. This implies at least a set of eyes and ears in Tar Valon itself, and Kin agents as 'fishers' near them. They have a reputation on finding runaway Novices, and not all of them keep running until they get to the Aryth Ocean for the Kin to pick up.

 

Add to that that Andor is particularly friendly to female channelers, and having a Wisdom is considered normal in Rand's little part of the world, and the possibilities of having an agent placed there to keep an eye on things is almost too good to be true.

 

I agree they wouldn't be heading into Emond's Field for a bit (Baerlon serves this purpose nicely, given its strategic location of being a funnel for traffic to or from the Two Rivers), but once some of those girls there turn wilder they're bound to end up leaving rumors that would undoubtedly reach this agent of the Kin, who knows as well as any Aes Sedai what to look for.

 

Given that the Kin doesn't force its members to leave everything behind, i'd say they'd encounter only minimal resistance at teaching the local Wisdoms to tell the signs. They'd (eventually) agree too, given that it'd help them keep young people from dying (of 'channeling sickness') and improve the way they do their jobs as Wisdoms.

 

The region is remote enough that it can avoid unnecessary attention anyway, and traffic is low enough to keep runaways down to a minimum, if any at all.

[Asmo]

Dunno, Nynaeve would need a metaphorical crowbar to leave the Two Rivers. In the Books, that was an Aes Sedai leaving with Egwene, Rand, Mat AND Perrin. Lan, and learning how to Heal came after that, those don't count. If Nynaeve would still have remained in Emond's Field after all of that, i'd doubt she'd leave even if the place burned down around her.

 

I can see the Kin getting in touch with her though, but i think it'd ultimately end up with her becoming the local Kin representative in the area, teaching the girls to channel without forcing them to go to the White Tower (read: leave Emond's Field).

 

Nynaeve didn't know that she could heal so well with the Power, that's why it was unimportant to her at the time. Once she found out about Healing she was ready to grovel at the feet of the Yellow Sisters, by her own words, to teach her. Nynaeve. Grovelling. She'd be in the White Tower in a blink if she even suspected what she could do with Healing.

 

Not to mention, you are wrong about her. She didn't want to stay in Emond's Field just for the sake of it. She wanted to bring back Egwene and the boys, because she thought Moiraine was leading them to danger. Sure, she didn't particularly want to leave, but as I mentioned above, if she knew what she could do, she'd definately want to.

[Jehaine]

Nor would she ever have known without an Aes Sedai to tell her that. A Kin member however, arriving there with all the herbal lore that would come with being a Wisdom for many years on the other hand...

 

She'd not have to go anywhere, as an alternative to having to leave the village. No Tar Valon involved there, no arrogant Aes Sedai demanding she wear Novice garb and Nynaeve STILL ultimately learns how to channel. Only difference is she'd take it as a trait gifted Wisdoms have, and use it as a supplement to her herbs (which fits the Kin MO almost perfectly).

 

If Nynaeve would still have remained in Emond's Field after all of that, i'd doubt she'd leave even if the place burned down around her.

 

Also, i DID mention that the Emond's Fielders that Moiraine took with her were the main reason Nynaeve left, i just described it differently (If that didn't make her leave, nothing would have)

[Asmo]

Nor would she ever have known without an Aes Sedai to tell her that.

 

She would find out, once she began channeling, and realized that she could heal people involuntarily.

[trakand_01]

I think she'd already noticed, she just hadnt attributed it to channeling. Didnt she say, early on, that she had nursed a child (perhaps it was even Egwene who was the child, I dont remember) who had a fever and was almost certainly a living corpse, until Nynaeve nursed them well? I seem to remember she noted that it all seemed to make more sense, when she realised she was a chaneller.

[benr]

She would still have her block, unable to channel unless angry.  Of course, that probably would not be much of a problem, as she spends a good portion of her life at a low simmer anyways.  She would eventually make that connection, I think, although without learning to give in she wouldn't learn how to open herself up without anger.

[Luckers]

So they'd be in Amadicia, but not in channeler-favoring Andor? I find that rather hard to believe myself, i'm afraid.

 

We don't know there are any in Amadicia--the only stated places we know of so far are Tear, Altara, and Tarbon.

 

Irrespective, there arn't any in Andor. The Kin stick to the coastal nations.

 

Also because teh Kin have a tendency to find runaway Novices and Accepted, which implies they are able to pick out a channeler from a crowd even if she doesn't yet have the ageless look. This implies at least a set of eyes and ears in Tar Valon itself, and Kin agents as 'fishers' near them. They have a reputation on finding runaway Novices, and not all of them keep running until they get to the Aryth Ocean for the Kin to pick up.

 

They do keep people in Tar Valon. Adeleas says that no Accepted makes it beyond the bridges without their assistance. They don't find them elsewhere, they find them in Tar Valon. What that has to do with Nynaeve though, i don't know. They don't accept wilders.

 

 

Add to that that Andor is particularly friendly to female channelers, and having a Wisdom is considered normal in Rand's little part of the world, and the possibilities of having an agent placed there to keep an eye on things is almost too good to be true.

 

I agree they wouldn't be heading into Emond's Field for a bit (Baerlon serves this purpose nicely, given its strategic location of being a funnel for traffic to or from the Two Rivers), but once some of those girls there turn wilder they're bound to end up leaving rumors that would undoubtedly reach this agent of the Kin, who knows as well as any Aes Sedai what to look for.

 

They have no agents in Baerlon, and they don't accept wilders of any type.