AMOL: Who will live and who will die?

[Myndrunner]

Who will survive A Memory of Light and who will not?

 

Rand (dies): It is the most logical end, but I feel he will become the new LTT in the next age, though I do like the mad beggar theory.

 

Mat (lives): Loses his eye, but rules with Tuon and lives happily ever after.

Perrin (dies): He dies at TG but takes out some serious Forsaken, and kills the Uber-Shade.  In the Epilogue, a wolf is born with Perrin's soul. 

Egwene (lives): She goes on to be the new Amyrlin Seat, rallies the True Tower to aid Rand.

 

Nynaeve (lives): We know this because of her Accepted initiation.  She lives a long, happy life with Lan.

Elayne (lives): At least long enough to give birth to the twins, Luke and Leia.  Also, she is mentioned in Nynaeve's Accepted trials. 

 

Min (dies): This is the shocker in the first Act that sets TG in motion.....because it's Rand that kills her by accident!  :o  She never sees it coming...... ::)

Aviendha (lives): becomes a wise one and lives out her life in the waste.

 

Lan (lives): see Nynaeve...

 

Moiraine (lives): With Mat & Thom, she arrives at TG just in time to turn the tide against the DO

 

Thom Merrilin (dies): Like he did for Rand & Mat at Whitebridge, he will reveal the true hero he has always been.....and sacrifice himself to save Moiraine. 

 

Ok...that's my predictions.....what are yours?

[aussie_ashaman123]

Rand: Dies killing the DO, but Nynaeve and Flinn Heal death, using the power around the bore, possibly getting a new body as well

 

Mat: Lives, keeps his eyes (losing his eye is metaphoric i think, possibly meaning those holes ripped through his memory.)

 

Perrin: Lives, becomes king of Saldeia and respected throughout the Borderlands

 

Egwene: Lives, becomes greatest Amyrlin ever

 

Elayne: Lives, becomes known as the Lioness of Andor, greatest queen ever

 

Min: Dies, sorry, I like her, but theres no way she'll live as long as Rand, Elayne and Aviendha, so may as well kill her off to move the story ahead

 

Nynaeve: Lives, drives most of those around her to choose suicide missions simply to get away from her.

 

Logain: Lives, becomes the first true M'hael, equal to the Amyrlin.

 

Taim: Dies, preferably from balefire!

 

All Forsaken: Die or trapped for eternity (hahaha, take that you evil forsaken suckers!)

 

Morriane: Freed, finds world in chaos, the dead walking around, her warder married, a girl she found Amyrlin, her former Amyrlin friend stilled and Healed again, and Rand a stone cold, bitter man who doesnt trust any aes sedai. Decides its better with the Finns and returns there. Seriously though, I think she'll die, paving the way to Victory.

 

Lan: Lives, against all odds and to his disgust, lives with Nynaeve in a renewed Malkier

[anamul]

Rand will live, that is sure from two foretelling...one Nicola and the other is the serpent people.....to live u must die...alivia will play a significant part in this.

 

There might be another viewing that indicate Rand lives an annonymous life after TG. I just can't quite remember it.

 

But I think, he will live in Aiel west with Aviendha and Min, if she lives. Elayne will visit from time to time. Aiel west is the best place for Rand to live in harmony. Aviendha beign a wise one will help thing more.She will handle all kind of politics while he will spend time with the childrens.

 

As for other I am not sure, except Mat and Perrin will live.

 

And if hope counts, I hope Egwene dies.....even if she manage to survive the last battle, I hope some one will take advantage of the confusion and stab her in the back. Quite vicious I know but I despise her.

 

 

[Majsju]

Mat and Tuon are the only ones we know 100% that they will survive.

Ok, Aviendha as well. She will give birth to Rands babies, and since she is not even pregnant yet, timing guarantees she will survive TG.

Elayne should give birth after TG as well, unless several months get skipped, and I do not see that happening.

Mins viewing of Logain gives him quite great odds at surviving.

Mins viewing of Perrin with the Broken Crown gives him and faile quite great odds at survival (and thus, quite great odds that Tenobia and Bashere will die).

Other than that, it is guesses and hopes.

 

Rand - Despite what the finns said, I refuse giving up my hope he will die.

 

Lan - I can only see death in his future. His enitre life has been dedicated to fighting the Shadow. What better end for him to go down in a heroic last stand?

 

Nynaeve - Survives, and with Lan dead she will become a bit of a new Cadsuane.

 

Cadsuane - Dies. She should be dead already due to old age. And I can actually see her refuse Egwenes offer to remove the Oaths.

 

Egwene - Lives, and becomes the greatest Amyrlin in the history of Aes Sedai.

 

 

[anamul]

*lol*...Talking about stereo typical...Gladiator hero sensation. Those has become boring and medicore to the last degree long ago.

 

Rands death will put misery to a lot of fan....not to mention his three sweet heart. This won't be a glorious death, since every one will be accepting him to die anyway." His blood in the shyool...stuff". It will be a poor writing style for RJ. Not to mention Brandon sanderson doesn't deal with stero-typical emotion.

 

In mistborn, we saw how Keishler plane to die in-order to give birth to a strong faith like...Jesus Christ. That was planned on the Heros part, I repeat that was planned and came as a shock when it was revealed, thus giving the reader a taste of excellent drama.

 

While Rands death will serve no purpose on dramatical side. Only thing it will succede in doing is antagonise people.

 

Look at Elantris, Look at Harry potter and LOR. All those have a bearing of a class in Fantasy world.

 

Also all those "TEACH HIM TO LAUGH AND CRY" will prove for nothing, since Soreli and Cady are doing this for post TG.  RJ wouldn't have bothered pestering Rand with all those crazy Cady stuff. He will have just have Cady pester some one else, like Finn, Narishma...etc.

 

So all in all, if Rand dies, that will be a short road to disaster.

 

I don't care if Tuon live. Living with evil and not recognising it is a more griveous sin than any. It is the root of the greatest of misdeed that has been done in the name of society, custom and religious, in earth history.

 

Hitler believed all Jews was evil and they deserved to be tortured and murdered. Same as Tuon. We didn't forgive hitler, we don't forgive Saddam nor do we forgive Laden.

 

So there won't be any tear if Tuon dies or the whole bloody Seanchan get destroyed.

 

 

[Guest tree-brother]

everyone dies and the DO wins LOL

[Myndrunner]

What if Lews Therin and the Dark One are one in the same???  I mean, we never SEE the Dark one, we just hear him from the Bore.......

[Guest Dreadlord]

Bela turns out to be the next one up from the Creator (Robert jordan) and the Dark One (Terry Goodkind) and all this was an elaborate board game. She kills Moridin for being too damn clever for figuring that out, just as she had Herid Fel killed by that gholam. Damned philosophers!

 

Seriously though, regarding Rands survival, theres another thing as well as Nicola and the Finns that hint towards him being alive. “Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed. Once for mourning, once for birth."

[Jehaine]

What if Lews Therin and the Dark One are one in the same???  I mean, we never SEE the Dark one, we just hear him from the Bore.......

 

I had a small theory on that, that Rand kills the DO and ends up taking his place as the Pattern can't exist without its purpose -- keeping the DO sealed -- gone. If he wouldn't, the Wheel would spin out of control trying to spit out enough evil to counter the destruction of the DO, and there'd be another Breaking before we'd know it.

 

Anyway, the idea i had was that Rand would sit in SG and figure out a way to break the cycle, getting more desperate as time goes by. He'd eventually be able to contact strong channelers for this purpose, calling them his Chosen... Only to eventually be stopped by himself again. Just because the Pattern would begin and end with the DO being sealed that way, bringing history at a complete full circle.

 

Then again, i'm a sucker for villains whose ideas i can symphatise with. Oh wells.

 

Seriously though, regarding Rands survival, theres another thing as well as Nicola and the Finns that hint towards him being alive. "Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed. Once for mourning, once for birth."

 

On that note, i'd like to point out that SG is permanently covered in clouds. Thus, as the DO is defeated the sun would finally break through again, bringing a figurative second dawn. Mourning for Rand's death, birth for the new Age. The title, A Memory Of Light, would fit into this nicely.

[A Demon Llama!]

I don't really care who dies, but I want someone to die (except Mat of course xD).... and for real.  I like the sadness that comes with the death of some favored character; it makes books more effective.  Someone has to die eventually in this book lol. 

[Erickm]

I think the Wheel of Time itself will die in AMOL. I think the wheel will be broken, thus ending the cycle of ages. The DO plans to break the Wheel and create the ages in his image, but it won't turn out like that. It'll be broken but the good guys will win. Rand will live as will the DO. However, The DO will be greatly diminished. I got this idea from an interview with Jordan (it's at the end of most of the Audible audio books). He talks about how the idea of linear time was a gift from the Greeks and how the idea of circular time came from India (as I remember it).

 

So the Wheel will be broken and die, but a final age will continue. I suppose that would end all channelling, wouldn't it.

[No Funeral]

I think the Wheel of Time itself will die in AMOL. I think the wheel will be broken, thus ending the cycle of ages. The DO plans to break the Wheel and create the ages in his image, but it won't turn out like that. It'll be broken but the good guys will win. Rand will live as will the DO. However, The DO will be greatly diminished. I got this idea from an interview with Jordan (it's at the end of most of the Audible audio books). He talks about how the idea of linear time was a gift from the Greeks and how the idea of circular time came from India (as I remember it).

 

So the Wheel will be broken and die, but a final age will continue. I suppose that would end all channelling, wouldn't it.

 

 

 

The wheel turns.  There are no beginnings and endings.  Do you just skip the first chapter?

[Mr Ares]

I think the Wheel of Time itself will die in AMOL.

I think that would pretty much destroy the universe.

[trakand_01]

Rand - dies. I know the prophecies say he must 'die to live' but with RJ gone I want to know that once the series is finished, it's finished. Rand dying is the only way for me to be satisfied that the main plot will not continue.

 

Mat - lives with Tuon, which we know was planned from RJ's comments about an outrigger novel but I wouldnt be surprised if RJ had left more than one ending in his notes.

 

Perrin - either lives a long and boring life, or dies spectacularly. I like Perrin, I really do but that woman ruined him. He has it in him to be a man of legends. I like the theory he'll be reborn as a wolf.

 

Min - not sure. She's a normal human as far as we know. She may well die.

 

Aviendha - yep, lives to have quadruplets.

 

Elayne - I think she will live. Rand has done too much work preparing Cairhein and Andor for her. The only alternative is she dies and Morgase returns to rule but I think she meant it when she gave her throne over to Elayne.

 

Faile - lives. Aint no way she's going to die that easily.

 

Berelain - lives to be a renowned, well-respected ruler.

 

Gawyn - sorry, but I see him dying. No matter his love for Egwene or duty to Elayne I dont see him turning on everything he believes to become Egwene's warder. Also he'll struggle to be her warder, he needs to be Elayne's first prince of the sword.

 

Galad - lives, with Berelain, treats her like a real queen.

 

Thom - everyone thinks he's dead, but he survives, we learn in the epilogue.

 

The Forsaken - I want at least one of them to live. I dont think it will happen but I want it, for the sake of it not being a 100% 'happy ending' because this story is too dynamic for that.

 

Lan - will have his Armageddon moment, likely avenging Nynaeve's death.

 

Nynaeve - tries to heal or study something she really can't - possibly Semirhage or Graendal - and dies. See Lan.

 

Egwene - lives, as Amyrlin, with Logain instead of Gawyn. (SOMEONE's gotta go against the grain).

[benr]

I think the Wheel of Time itself will die in AMOL. I think the wheel will be broken, thus ending the cycle of ages. The DO plans to break the Wheel and create the ages in his image, but it won't turn out like that. It'll be broken but the good guys will win. Rand will live as will the DO. However, The DO will be greatly diminished. I got this idea from an interview with Jordan (it's at the end of most of the Audible audio books). He talks about how the idea of linear time was a gift from the Greeks and how the idea of circular time came from India (as I remember it).

 

So the Wheel will be broken and die, but a final age will continue. I suppose that would end all channelling, wouldn't it.

 

 

 

The wheel turns.  There are no beginnings and endings.  Do you just skip the first chapter?

 

Probably.  But the broken wheel of time theory has long appealed to me.  The birth of free will - I can see that really appealing to Rand - the victim of the wheel, more than anyone - and RJ.  Like Erikm said, it would have the usual laws of uninteded consequences.

[trakand_01]

The biggest unintended consequence being that the world and everything in it ceases to be? The effect of pressing one big 'PAUSE' button.

 

Destroying the wheel wouldnt birth free will, it would stop everything in it's tracks - the Wheel has your fate planned out, you stop it, you never reach your fate. If you look at that on a very small scale, the wheel has it planned out almost minute-by-minute (hence things go backwards when balefire is used) so if you break the wheel, you can't go forwards. Not even a minute.

[benr]

The biggest unintended consequence being that the world and everything in it ceases to be? The effect of pressing one big 'PAUSE' button.

 

Destroying the wheel wouldnt birth free will, it would stop everything in it's tracks - the Wheel has your fate planned out, you stop it, you never reach your fate. If you look at that on a very small scale, the wheel has it planned out almost minute-by-minute (hence things go backwards when balefire is used) so if you break the wheel, you can't go forwards. Not even a minute.

 

Maybe.  Or life would then continue without every second being planned out; free will would reign.  Where is Herid Fel when we need him?

[Majsju]

RJ said in an interview once that the greatest thing the Greeeks gave the world (in his opinion) was the concept of linear time. So it would not e that much of a stretch to see him ending the series with the Wheel broken, and thus a shift from cyclic to linear time.

[trakand_01]

something has just struck me about the wheel/serpent image.

 

The wheel cannot turn whilst the serpent is winding through it in that way.

 

 

The Dragon is a serpent.

 

What if the presence of the Dragon (LTT AND Rand) is stopping the Wheel from turning properly? Surely that would mean that for the Wheel to turn properly / things to return to normal, the serpent has to be removed. Rand has to die, and LTT with him.

 

[Nightstrike]

Rand - lives (maybe in some other body)

Mat & Tuon - lives

Min - dies (hadn't she some vision of "Rand" hurting her?)

Egwene - I'm not so sure. She might die or she might become the greatest Amyrlin seat in history...

Narishma - dies

Logain - lives (obviously). He might marry Berelain (according to Min's vision of his colours).

Aviendha - lives

Elayne - lives

Perrin - not sure. It could go either way.

Faile - I think Faile will survive (maybe carrying Perrin's child).

Nynaeve - lives

Lan - lives

Birgitte - dies just to be reborn again, and ends up meeting an ugly older man...

Siuan - lives

Lanfear - lives

Moridin - dies

 

 

[Myndrunner]

Lan - will have his Armageddon moment, likely avenging Nynaeve's death.

 

Nynaeve - tries to heal or study something she really can't - possibly Semirhage or Graendal - and dies. See Lan.

 

I agree with most of your comments; however, I am pretty sure that Nynaeve and Lan do survive AMOL.  Remember that when Nynaeve went through her Accepted test that they tell her the Future IS her actual Future.  There, she is living a happy life married to Lan in his Blight-less homeland. 

 

I think the blindness rage of vengeance will be used on Perrin when Faile gets whacked. 

[Kadere]

Rand- dies to live again in the next age

Min- lives like Nicola's foretelling says

Avienda- lives like Nicola's foretelling says and to have her kids

Elayne- lives like Nicola's foretelling says and to have her kids

Mat- lives

Tuon- lives

Perrin- lives

Faile- lives to rule Saldea

Egwene- lives to be the greatest Amrylin Seat in history

Lan- could go either way, if he dies hopefully it's after getting Nynaeve pregnant

Nynaeve- lives to return to the Two Rivers

Moiraine- lives to go into hiding with Thom

Thom- lives see above

Logain- lives to rule the Black Tower

Mazrim- dies a long drawn out death

Suian- lives to be Egwene's Keeper

The Forsaken- all die each in their own distinctly awesome ways

Elaida- dies by Alviarin

Padan Fain- dies by either Rand or Slayer

Slayer- dies by refusing orders to kill Rand, or Perrin gets him

Masema- dies being torn apart by his own dragonsworn

Rhuarc- dies protecting Rand

The Madiens of the Spear- die protecting Rand

Julian Sander- lives barely

Loial- lives to write all the stories

Noal- either lives but stops traveling, or dies saving Moiraine

Olver- lives

Brigette- lives but through her actions in TG reconnects with the Wheel

Gareth Bryne- lives to be Suian's Warder

Uno- lives to curse more

Bayle Domon- lives

Morgase- lives in a mansion outside Caemlyn with Tallenvor

Galad- lives to marry Berelain

Berelain- lives and rules Mayene with a lot more power

Gawyn- dies after becoming Egwene's Warder and trying to redeem his blunders by attempting to save her life when Eliada tries to execute her

Alanna- lives to regret ever being born

[Rahela Sedai]

Rand lives but is cut off from saidin and LTT, therefore the Dragon dies but the man lives. Spends the rest of his life shuffling between his ladies and helping Loial with his book.

 

Mat lives with Tuon goes back to Seanchan to claim her throne and lives as her consort, leader of her armies and father of her babies.

 

Perrin lives and becomes Faile's consort when she becomes the Queen of Saldea, they also somehow manage to meet all of Faile's mother's criteria for babies.

 

Egwene becomes Amyrlin, marries Gawyn, and devotes her time to cleaning up the aftermath of TG and goes down as one of the greatest Amyrlins to have lived.

 

Nynaeve lives and returns to Two Rivers to train them a new Wisdom then ressurects Malkier with Lan and has his babies.

 

Elayne has the twins and spends her life ruling Andor, making angreal, and canoodling with Rand.

 

Aviendha becomes the Wise One who leads the remnent of the Aiel back to their life in the Waste (because those Wetlanders are all so crazy) albeit with more regular communication with the outside world and has Rand's babies.

 

Min is captured by the Forsaken/DO to provoke Rand into foolishly attacking Shayol Ghul. When that doesn't work she is forcibly bound to the Dark One against her will. When faced with the choice of killing Min or losing TG Rand chooses to sacrifice her and she dies, though she is freed from the DO and is later on rewoven back into the Pattern.

 

Lan takes some pretty serious damage but lives thanks to Nynaeve. When the Shadow is defeated he returns to find Malkier free from the blight and rebuilds his kingdom.

 

Loial lives to tell the story.

 

Thom rescues Moiraine and is bonded by her as her new warder. They arrive at TG just in time to help out and then settle down to live a quiet life on some estates in Cairhein.

 

Moiraine helps out at the end of TG bonds Thom and then with all her work down settles down back in Cairhein with Thom to finally relax and spends her life experimenting with the Power and giving everyone the occasional advice.

 

Logain lives to take over Rand's position as the leader of the Black Tower, builds a Black Tower on Tar Valon to complement the white one and rules in hamrony with Egwene, bonds and is bonded by Leane.

 

Mazrim Taim betrays Rand and dies a horrible ugly death that he deserves NYAH!

 

Siuan settles down with Gareth Bryne.

 

Morgase marries Tallanvor and lives in the Palace spoiling her grandkids and giving Elayne advice on ruling Andor.

 

People of the Dragon participate in TG but are slaughtered, whoever is left goes home. Masema dies as well and takes a Forsaken with him.

 

Lanfear catches Rand in bed with Aviendha and in her rage draws on so much power she burns out and then Aviendha kills her. Haha

 

The Forsaken all die.

 

The DO is not eliminated since he is the balance to the Light but is bound away so that he doesn't have another chance at a takeover ever again.

 

Padan Fain goes nuts at TG and is killed by a Trolloc.

 

Birgitte dies at TG, takes down Moghedien with her, and returns to her proper place in the Pattern.

 

Galad and Berelain get hitched and rule Mayne.

 

 

 

Yes I am well aware it's a happily ever after version but thats what I hope/think might happen.

 

[trakand_01]

Lan - will have his Armageddon moment, likely avenging Nynaeve's death.

 

Nynaeve - tries to heal or study something she really can't - possibly Semirhage or Graendal - and dies. See Lan.

 

I agree with most of your comments; however, I am pretty sure that Nynaeve and Lan do survive AMOL.  Remember that when Nynaeve went through her Accepted test that they tell her the Future IS her actual Future.  There, she is living a happy life married to Lan in his Blight-less homeland. 

 

I think the blindness rage of vengeance will be used on Perrin when Faile gets whacked. 

 

Perhaps I misunderstood the original post, I was listing what I would have happen, should I be Brandon Sanderson. In reality I agree, I think Nynaeve at least will survive.

 

Out of sheer bloody-mindedness.

[Leopoled Boothe]

Rand (dies): It is the most logical end, but I feel he will become the new LTT in the next age, though I do like the mad beggar theory.

 

Just out of curiosity what are you refering to when you say "The mad begger theory?"