Cyndane/Lanfear

[HighLordXanthus]

jedi-

 

that is why we talk these things through here, because there isnt enough info to know for sure. If we did have all the info, we sure would not have discussed this for so long. I guess i was just trying to throw yet another wrench in the gears so to speak.

[Jedimuppet]

jedi-

 

that is why we talk these things through here' date=' because there isnt enough info to know for sure. If we did have all the info, we sure would not have discussed this for so long. I guess i was just trying to throw yet another wrench in the gears so to speak.[/quote']

 

Well of course you can make a theory that has no support in any of the books, but can't be proven wrong, either. I think that's kind of what you've done. The idea of them melding, unmelding, maintaining characteristics of that melding, and then ultimately reverting to separate individuals just doesn't even pass the smell test. Can I find somewhere where RJ said that couldn't happen? No. Do I buy it? Not a chance...it's just not his style.

J

[HighLordXanthus]

the whole MoirFear theory was just a side-bar, thought it would get people talking. Possible but not probable. But, if we assume that slayer's dual soul thing is a working of the finn's, then it does become possible. There could be another entry to the finn's in the blight, the tower of ghenji wouldn't have been the only way in aside from the twisted doors. Like is said, possible if not probable

[Inara]

i agree with jedi, the whole lot smells off, including the rand/moridin theory IMO. there is no evidence that anyone other than the DO can meld people together like luc/isam. there is also no evidence that the DO ever got anywhere near moiraine, she is still bound and we know that the fins have nothing to do with either the DO or the creator, so he has no acess there.

 

i accept that rand and moridin have some sort of bond, but almost every single character has a bond similar to this with someone else.

rand/mat/perrin-swirling colours and bedcurtain peeking

AS/warder

aiel adopted first-sisters

DO/minion

etc etc...

these people are not melded together, and no-one has suggested that they ever will become so.

this whole mixing people up is really creeping me out :shock:

[rd2000]

Fain/Mordeth is another example of two becoming one. And the DO wasn't involved in that.

[Inara]

mordeth was a malevolent spirit that tried to take fain's body completly, not a man with a body and soul of his own. the fact that they are one now is because the DO did something to fain to preserve his character for further 'distillation', or something.

 

there is an explanation in the books, correct me if i'm wrong, but i think that when mordeth realised that fain was nothing more than a human darkhound he tried to retract himself, but the process had gone too far so their characters ended up parcelled seperatly in the body, each competing for total control

i'm doing a reread now, so if i come accross the explanation soon i'll post the reference.

[Guest Egwene]

I am really quite glad to read HighLordXanthys idea. The first time I met Cyndane my first thought was 'oh, my god, Moiraine and Lanfear have become one'. However, the subsequent PoV of both Cyndane as well as Moiraines letters seem to indicate otherwise.

 

Now I am reconsidering... might it be possible that they are still 'molded together', further that it is the mindtrap which is held in the tower of G. and that by destroying it Lanfear/Cyndane disappears forever, and Moiraine survives?

[Inara]

moridin has cyndanes mindtrap

we see her shudder when he has his hand under his coat...stroking the mindtrap.

mat et al need to go to the tower of G to free moiraine.

doesnt fit

sorry

[Guest Egwene]

I know moridin has the midtrap... unless you know of evidence to the contrary, I am suggesting he(or just the mindtrap) will be present in the tower when Mat and Co. get there.

[Inara]

ok, point taken

but why would he go there, or let the mindtrap out of his sight?

ernest question, i'm not being narky here, at least not on purpose.

[Guest Egwene]

No idea why he should... it was just a playing possibilities game... It is quite an interesting scenario though... hinging on the idea it is cyndane/lanfears mind which is trapped, but moiraines ist still somehow free...

 

It's what I lke about WoT. On top of everything we read, there is a lot of space for making up our own fantasy stories on the periphery...

[Inara]

oh yeah, i know.

i have written alot of fanfiction myself

[HighLordXanthus]

Egwene -

 

You have no idea how nice it is to hear, after this rather drawn out debate, that someone would post somewhat on my side. It is hard to fight back one against a badgillion people. While I no longer believe that cyndane is actually both moiraine and lanfear, I do think that some kind of melding/swapping by the finns or their falling through the melting doorway could account for Cyndane's new appearance and ability. This would account for why she now has a form so near to moiraine's. I think the strongest argument against the theory of the DO simply transmigrating lanfear is the noted power decrease. I firmly cannot believe the DO would handicap her on purpose, without further proof. With that, other theories must be considered. i.e. the melding/swapping or wishing/price of the finn's

[bcxanth]

What if Moir and Lanfear had their capacity to channel switched by the 'Finns? So that Moir, when she comes back, will have Lanfear's strength, and Lanfear has Moir's strength? Maybe that's the price that Lanfear had to pay to be released.

[Jedimuppet]

What if Moir and Lanfear had their capacity to channel switched by the 'Finns? So that Moir' date=' when she comes back, will have Lanfear's strength, and Lanfear has Moir's strength? Maybe that's the price that Lanfear had to pay to be released.[/quote']

 

Cyndane appears to be stronger than Moiraine had been.

J

[Guest Majsju]

What if Moir and Lanfear had their capacity to channel switched by the 'Finns? So that Moir' date=' when she comes back, will have Lanfear's strength, and Lanfear has Moir's strength? Maybe that's the price that Lanfear had to pay to be released.[/quote']

 

Cyndane appears to be stronger than Moiraine had been.

J

 

Definitly, since Graendal notices that Cyndane is stronger than she is, and Graendal is not exactly weak.

[Guest Egwene]

RJ really has created for himself a huge card blanche. He can use the Finns to make just about anything possible in the 'what really happened' chapter. :D

[bcxanth]

Cyndane appears to be stronger than Moiraine had been.

J

Definitly' date=' since Graendal notices that Cyndane is stronger than she is, and Graendal is not exactly weak.[/quote']Oh yeah. That's a good point. :) Well hey, if I throw out enough crazy theories maybe I'll eventually hit on something. :)

[Lews Therin Telamon]

how can there be any doubt? the name cyndane is Old Tongue meaning Last Chance

[RobertAlexWillis]

Cyndane is definitely Lanfear, from her POV's, and she had to be mindtrapped at the Pit, since Moghedien remembers in her POV that mindtrapping can only be done there. That incombination with her name, says to me that she dies in the Tower of Ghenjei, and her soul was transmigrated by the Dark One. Of course, this is related to my idea of what happened in the TOG (which is a matter of frequent record, isn't it Egwene? :D ).

[DemandredFO]

I'm 100% sure that cyndane is Lanfear. I believe at some point Lanfear tried to kill Moirane and got killed by the Finns. The DO gave her an inferior body, to Lanfear's, and reduced her in power as punishment for not killing "Lews Therin" on her numerous chances. Then she was mindtrapped to Moridin/Ishameal because he was the one Forsaken Shaitan could trust. Just my thoughts

[grump]

Every body who visits the finns ends up paying a price for what ever they get. Perhaps her original body and power loss was a part of the price to gain her freedom, the DO not withstanding

[randomdude228]

Making the assumption that Cyndane IS Lanfear, why doesn't she like make Rand love her w/ the power? Actually, not really considering Min is one of my favorite characters.

[RobertAlexWillis]

Making the assumption that Cyndane IS Lanfear, why doesn't she like make Rand love her w/ the power?

 

The same reason Lanfear didn't when she was around the first time. She doesn't want a Compelled lapdog, she wants him to love her willingly. Since he won't, now she wants to kill him.