Moridin and Shaidar Haran

[elmis]

I can't remember, but have we ever seen these two shadow leaders together, in the same room?

[balefireruinssteaks]

no, but when Moghedien and Cyndane came to incorporate Grandael into the bigger plan, Shaidar Haran was sent to convince her of Moridin's validity.

 

I think they're two different people if that's what you're getting at.

[elmis]

Yeah, given everything I'm pretty sure of that too. :)

 

 

[The Dragon Reborn]

If that is what you're getting at....Shaidar Haran is a Myrddraal, though granted he got some special powers over the other Myrddraal...but still a Myrddraal. I suppose if you were to push you could say that Moridin could use elaborate disguises and all that, but I don't see any need or point to doing that.

[rd2000]

I believe Moggy was in the presence of both, gonna have to go back and read to be sure....

[lou]

if she was she was unaware of it. mog entered the vacoule (sp) in SH's presense, but when she woke up it was moridin she met.

[RobertAlexWillis]

We have not seen them on screen at the same time in any of the books yet.  But they are most definitely not the same person.

[Guest silver89]

Agree they are two different people (can Myrddraal be people?). Both scary Moridin because he is the Nae'blis and Shaidar because he's an Eyeless that can command and terrify Forsaken :o

 

Side note: I'd be weeing myself if I ever met either of them. (not a brave statment but honest) ;D

[Mik]

No, we never saw them together.

 

I do think Morodin/ Shadar Haran share the same Soul. (and are thus -in essence- the same "being")

 

Was Ishamael/Moridin lying when he used the name the 'Heart of the Dark' or 'Soul of the Shadow'?

I don't think he was.

 

One step further;

The Nae'blis is Shai'tan & is the True Power.

Like an Evil Trinity that balances the Good Trinity;

 

The Creator ("father"), The Dragon - Rand/Lews Therin ("son" - one human, one divine) & the One Power ("holy spirit")

 

Shai'tan ("father"), The Nae'blis - Moridin/Shadar Haran ("son" - one human, one divine) & the True Power ("unholy spirit"  for lack of a better word)

 

 

*shrugs* I think it fits.

 

Besides, a finite ammount of the DO's essence managed to prevent being captured. (AKA 'the Taint'). So what was only partially bound? The Dark One.

Who did we see in the prologue? Ishamael.

He was only partially bound. Coincidence? I think not.

 

Why would Ishamael lie about the thousands of battles to someone he was going to kill? He didn't lie. It's all part of one and the same thing; Shai'tan, Ishy/ Moridin, Shadar Haran & True Power.

 

Heart/Soul & Hand of the Shadow/Dark...are in fact One.

Just one mans opinion.. don't shoot me! Please!

 

Mik

[Neemo]

sorry for dragging up an old topic...but i just reached the part in ACOS and i was wondering if Moridin/Shadar Haran could be a being like Luke/Isam

[Mr Ares]

sorry for dragging up an old topic...but i just reached the part in ACOS and i was wondering if Moridin/Shadar Haran could be a being like Luke/Isam

No. Or, at the very least, we have nothing to indicate such is the case, and Luc and Isam are very aware of their condition (we have had Moridin and SH povs and no mention is made of it).

[Neemo]

yeah it was just that SH tells Moggy to close her eyes..then they jump through the shadow and then moridin tells her to open her eyes....when did the mindtrap exchange take place?

[EramofAmandous]

I thought SH was the DO's....avatar the physical embodiment of his power.

[Vambram]

I thought SH was the DO's....avatar the physical embodiment of his power.

 

That is the way that I have always thought about Shaidar Haran, also. I don't believe its exactly correct, but its the best understanding concerning Shaidar Haran that I've been able to conclude.

[Majsju]

WinespringBrother: Is Shaidar Haran an avatar to the world beyond the Bore?

 

Jordan: I am not certain you can really call him an avatar because I generally think of an avatar as having exactly the same powers as, and it is not, Shaidar Haran does not have nearly as much power as the Dark One. Its as though the Dark One is able to project a shadowy form of himself into this creatureit is the Dark One in shadowy form.

 

WinespringBrother: Is it twenty four seven, or just part time.

 

Jordan: Twenty four seven.

http://theoryland.yuku.com/topic/9921/t/Dragon-Con-Book-Signing-Reports.html

[Neemo]

^thanks Majsju :)

 

i guess all i can do about this is RAFO  ;D