Death in the Artic - Mafia Game!

[Sirayn]

BTW, this is the reason I didn't rush to switch my vote. I think he is just trying to work us into making our own choice.

 

I disagree. Making our own choice of captain is entirely different from making our own choice of action. The former has to do with who would make the best captain ... the latter with what would be the best option for the innocent team. Given a free choice, I'd take the second.

[DPR]

To risky, I say. It's very tempting to pull a fast one when it's your own game, but the reprocussions...

 

Though, I would like mod confirmation that the choice will be random 8)

[Thorum]

For a count (8 for captain, I guess?)

 

FDM(5): Thorum, barm, vemy, leelou, Dark

Kryos(3): alys, Kryos, Talya

novote(1): wes

 

nonvoters: Twitch, Sirayn, Mr. Soy Boyo, Far Dareis Mai, Danya, Safir, DSage

 

If we wanna make it a less-than-10-pages first day, someone has to take the responsibility. I would, but changing my vote won't get us quicker to night than not changing it.

 

Wes, who says we'll KNOW who's the random captain,if it exists?

[Sirayn]

If we wanna make it a less-than-10-pages first day, someone has to take the responsibility. I would, but changing my vote won't get us quicker to night than not changing it.

 

In a vacuum, I'd take a shorter thread over a longer one, but I think we're having a productive discussion and I don't want to curtail it so we can meet an arbitrary 10-page deadline. I'm in no hurry as long as people are talking mafia.

[Leelou]

Ok, it's a no coroner's game, correct? ***MOD*** Is it full no coroner, or no roles/no alignments?  

[Alys Kinch]

nothing says we will know who it is. it's just more likely to be an innocent than an evil by the statistics.

 

Leelou, good question. I kind of assumed that since he didn't suggest it was one or the other, we'd get nothing except that so and so died.

 

As long as we are discussing, we are moving. As long as we are moving, the game isn't dragging. And that's for the best. As far as days go, we aren't doing bad. Keep the pace, I say.

[Thorum]

I can agree with Alys and Sirayn.

[Alys Kinch]

rereading: Wes, who says we'll KNOW who's the random captain,if it exists?

 

Did you mean that maybe ilgross won't tell us? I doubt that.

[MsDanya]

from what i've seen, FDM is the better candidate, but i'll hold my vote for now. all I know is that i'd rahter have FDM as a captain than to have no captain at all.

 

 

 

[Safir]

My thought on the captain situation:

 

I am all for voting a captain ourselves.  That "other nasty outcomes" just doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.

 

Now, between Kryos and FDM, I don't know who to chose.  I hate doing this, but I'm most likely going to make my vote random between the two.  Just cause I personally can't choose between them.  They're pretty much equal in my estimate.  I will try to choose, but if I can't, I'll flip a coin.

 

 

[Toy and Minion]

I see your point, Safir.  That is why I am trying to decide.  We now have 3 choices.  FDM, Kryos, No Vote.  I'm in limbo between FDM and No Vote atm.  lol

[Safir]

Well, I'm just going to go with [glow=red,2,300]FDM[/glow], as Kryos seems to have backed out

[Twitchy]

*Smacks DM*

Way to be a total jerkface DM.

Seriously.

Anyway.

I had a nice coolio post where I slid in and said why I wasn't being active, (Volleyball, HW, then Swimming all of these after school, AND I just got Halo 3 and that's uper fancy, so I've got barely any time for DM)

Anyway.

I had said that I vote [glow=red,2,300]FDM[/glow] as Capitan, and yeah, I said Capitan in that post too, not Captain.  And then I said, Do I really have to explain? Everyone else said what my reasons are, and I don't feel like making people read this stuff over and over again.

*Walks out, swooning over random people*

:-*

I love you lovers!

 

[ilgross]

Roles will be revealed upon death.

 

What happens if you refuse to elect a Captain? Nobody steering the boat? I dunno they are a lot of dangerous ice bergs out there you might crash into to one or 5 of them.

 

But to be honest if you want the best indicator about what would happen if you refuse to elect a Captain, I would toss a coin and check which way the wind is blowing.

 

And if you get that reference, you will know exactly what will happen if you don't....

 

BTW What happens if there is 3 or 4 kills during the night?

[Sirayn]

What happens if you refuse to elect a Captain? Nobody steering the boat? I dunno they are a lot of dangerous ice bergs out there you might crash into to one or 5 of them.

 

But to be honest if you want the best indicator about what would happen if you refuse to elect a Captain, I would toss a coin and check which way the wind is blowing.

 

And if you get that reference, you will know exactly what will happen if you don't....

 

I don't understand your reply here. There's no way we can make a considered decision without a clear, unambiguous statement of what will happen if we fail to elect a captain. Is this just supposed to be guesswork now? Do only the players who understand an arbitrary reference get enough information to make a decision? ???

 

BTW What happens if there is 3 or 4 kills during the night?

 

What happens if there are three or four kills during the night -- what, apart from three or four people dying? Is this a rhetorical question, or metaphorical, or ... what? ???

[SBoydW]

I believe that ilgross may be implying that not choosing a captain may bring about another type of death, one not by a vig, or the evil team, say like the boat crashing or something.  It would be new but that's what I got from the post, it may just be me being crazy.

 

I'll re-instate my candidacy for captain again.  [glow=red,2,300]Mr. Soy Boyo[/glow]

[Kryos]

Honestly Safir, I haven't backed out in the least. I'm just pretty much on a different time zone than the majority of people... Man I love Germany sometimes. So most of the action happens while I am in bed, makes for wonderful reading when I return, let me tell you. And SBoyd, kind of late in the game in plopping in your candidacy considering I'm not having too good of a showing right now either in that regard as everyone is going for FDM. And remember, you're not a wanted person for this reason or that apparently because previous games mean so much in the current one.

 

I'm pretty sure at this time though that no one really wants to be captain, they are just willing to accept it if that is the case. In my case, I'll be honest, I'm not vying for the spot, if I don't get it, I'll just shrug, say oh well, and move along my own wonderful world. It isn't a huge deal in the least. I could say that I'm an innocent and I should be captain for that purpose alone, but then, none would believe that, especially not during day 1, and thus it would probably have the opposite effect than what would be wanted, now wouldn't it? If you want to vote for FDM, by all means, vote for FDM, I'm not from this point going to try and deter anyone from voting any way they choose to, nor have I at all yet from what I can tell, but c'est la vie. And from what Ilgross has said, I'd very much rather we vote someone as Captain as opposed to having it go to a dictation of his choosing... what an angry and evil mod we have. I'm scared of incurring the wrath there.

 

So, with the way the votes are going, I would like to get the day ended as soon as possible, and right now anyone is as good a choice as another.....

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow]

[glow=red,2,300]

FDM[/glow]

 

Does this mean I trust you FDM? Not by a long shot, but unfortunately, the majority has been speaking and there is no choice in the matter at all, for me making it as captain doesn't seem to be on the horizon in the least. For the sake of everyone, I hope you are on the side of the innocents, but if not, then I feel for everyone.

[ilgross]

The crew and passengers bickered and fought but eventually Far Dareis Mai was elected as Captain of the SS Moridin, charged with the duty of charting a way to their destination and keeping the passengers safe. For now. As the sun set on the great ocean liner the passengers returned to their cabins, locked their doors and bunkered down until morning where they could enjoy the rest of their holidays, forgetting the distaseful events of the previous night....but they questioned that remained in all their minds was the fate of their previous Captain and the knowledge that atleast one amongst them was a murderer...

 

The crew meanwhile reduced to a skeleton crew, set up to continue sailing through the night, watching the sea for any lurking icebergs or any of the other dangers which may befall and ship floating in the night.

 

 

Alive:

 

Alys Kinch

Twitch

Leelou

Talya

Sirayn

Mr. Soy Boyo

Far Dareis Mai - Captain

DreadPirateRoberts

Vemynal

Dark Justice

DSage

Danya

Kryos

Thorum

Safir

Barmacral

 

 

Day 1:

 

Far Dareis Mai Elected

 

All Night Actions into me ASAP. You have 48 Hours max, but I would prefer for it to be quicker...

 

Am extending the night 'cause its the weekend...

[Alys Kinch]

should this be unlocked with out the morning post up?

[ilgross]

Despite the orders to remain in their cabins, for the duration of the night, several passengers wandered the hallways with a motive unknown...

 

Meanwhile upon the bridge the navigator dutifully steered the hulking ship onwards towards its destination drifting past the floating icebergs, while he stared at the blood stains left by his former captain, the captain's murder stalked the darkened hallways. Bearing down upon his intended victem, he suddenly realised the standing outside his room were two hulking body guards...with the murder's plans thwarted he fled back to the refuge of his room...

 

Meanwhile, another group of passengers meet and argued but could not agree on what course of action to take...

 

More people roamed the corridors but their intentions and actions remain shrouded in mystery...

 

 

Alive:

 

Alys Kinch

Twitch

Leelou

Talya

Sirayn

Mr. Soy Boyo

Far Dareis Mai - Captain

DreadPirateRoberts

Vemynal

Dark Justice

DSage

Danya

Kryos

Thorum

Safir

Barmacral

 

 

Day 1:

 

Far Dareis Mai Elected

 

Night 1:

 

No Deaths

 

It is now day. With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch! Have fun...(You just beat me Alys...)

[Alys Kinch]

O.k. Over the night I did a read through and with no deaths, I don't have much to go on.

 

You know, I was rereading and I came upon this:

Oh yeah, my PM button was not working so my role is the one where I am bulletproof, lynchproof, and selfproof.

Don't know why I didn't grin at it before. I wish you luck with that DPR.

 

Vemy, I am not sure why I didn't respond to you. Thorum said why I wouldn't vote you as captain. You are sometimes pretty rash. Of course, you also said that you would trust more than half of us with the leading role. That kind of scares me.

 

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,21566.msg560933.html#msg560933

 

I did want to highlight this since I found it. I don't want people to continue to jump all over Kryos for yesterday's voting. He did exactly what he said he would do, despite the way Far painted him. I don't like a captain that would quote the statement after the important one (where he said if he gathered any votes he'd vote himself) in order to try to gain influence by misleading others.

 

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,21566.msg561502.html#msg561502

 

Sorry, ilgross. I just saw it unlocked when I popped in to check before heading to bed...

 

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Meh, I'm not concerned. I did what I had to do for my own reasons, no matter what people think, and it was for the best. The gain was potentially (and just so turned out to be) greater than the cost. So think what you like, but I had my reasons. *shrugs*

 

To those of you who were in the Aiel game with me: I did it again!!!! *dances*

 

[glow=red,2,300]DreadPirateRoberts is mafia.[/glow]

Alys is innocent.

 

And I was, for the record, examined last night.

[Vemynal]

hmm, well for 1 if you were evil and captain then i would fully expect you to have false claimed today. *BUT* that you told us you were examined makes me think that you might also be telling the truth. And when we kill people we don't know alignment either so its not like by lynching DPR we are going to know whether your telling the truth or not.

 

And I have seen what FDM did in my aiel game, she got 2 of the 3 evils in the first 2 nights. But throwing out names of games does nothing to make anything certain. I'm gonna wait and hear Wes plead his case first.

[Kryos]

Well Vemy you know me well enough to know that I'll wait out the case pleading as well. I do it more often than not, especially when the person is on the verge of being lynched. Honestly though, saying you were examined last night doesn't hold a lot of sway with me. That could mean almost anything at all. But then my question to you is this really, what does you being viewed have to do with anything if in fact it did happen? You could be claiming that and it may not have really happened. Such is the joys of this game. Elaboration upon your claims is a must in this place to hold any merit, otherwise the words you say will just fall clear of anything you say at all and people will just scrutinize and look for the worst case scenario in it all and ignore any factual information you have your words formed around.

 

This is nothing more than a game of cat and mouse, and granted, no deaths occurred last night which could mean many things actually. You FDM could still be evil and if you were examined, the person who did that examining could have easily not seen it yet and therefore has made no claims towards that or is waiting in the background to see what comes of it all first before acting upon that information that was garnered from the investigation upon your person. I must be honest, I bore of the he said she said games, but unfortunately that is all we have here so one must attempt to delve further into what is said and attempt to see things. Unfortunately more often than not, preconstructed visions of what a person wants do tend to get in the way of things causing fallible misconceptions.

 

Am I denying anything you have said to be true FDM? Absolutely not, for all I know you can be telling the 100% truth, but then again, you could be tossing in your own conjecture in an attempt to thwart the real action that needs to be carried out. You could be attempting to manipulate things to go in a way that benefit you, but not everyone else. With the way you claim you did things for your own reasons no matter what and claim it was for the best. Who's best was it for? Yours or the innocents? And things shouldn't be done for your own reasons no matter what, they should be done for reasons pertaining to the sanctity of everyone else. The innocents are what matter, not your feelings.

 

But again, I'm holding off any voting until I am able to see what DPR has to say about things.

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

With the way you claim you did things for your own reasons no matter what and claim it was for the best. Who's best was it for? Yours or the innocents? And things shouldn't be done for your own reasons no matter what, they should be done for reasons pertaining to the sanctity of everyone else. The innocents are what matter, not your feelings.

 

Are you kidding me with this? My actions WERE for the good of everyone. There was no way for you to possibly comprehend what I was doing Day 1, because it wouldn't have been prudent for me to make a role reveal without having something to go on. OBVIOUSLY what I did had to be done, and for my own reasons. Given the opportunity to make two examinations per night, I can clear through the list of people twice as fast. *taps mic* HELLO??!?!?! Is this thing on????  :D

 

Why else would I want the Captain's chair so badly? Why else would I care about such a position? Look at my past actions in other games (except Kryos, who seems to think past behaviors don't matter). Would I have honestly even bothered? Nope. Why? Because I hate being in the spotlight.

 

Honestly though, saying you were examined last night doesn't hold a lot of sway with me. That could mean almost anything at all. But then my question to you is this really, what does you being viewed have to do with anything if in fact it did happen? You could be claiming that and it may not have really happened. Such is the joys of this game. Elaboration upon your claims is a must in this place to hold any merit, otherwise the words you say will just fall clear of anything you say at all and people will just scrutinize and look for the worst case scenario in it all and ignore any factual information you have your words formed around.

 

What the heck more do you want me to say? I told you what I was told. YOU ARE BEING INVESTIGATED. That was it. I think it's funny you choose to blindly deny what is put right in front of your face. Why would I make a thing like that up? Common sense should tell you that the Captain would have been the first person to be examined this night. You can imagine my surprise when I got that pm, since I had just received a pm with the results of my findings. I've "elaborated" all I can. If you have ever played a role you would know there isn't much in the "elaboration" department from the mods.

 

I can understand your doubts. And you are welcome to sit around willy nilly so DPR can create some fantastic tale about how I am lying this early in the game.

 

You FDM could still be evil and if you were examined, the person who did that examining could have easily not seen it yet and therefore has made no claims towards that or is waiting in the background to see what comes of it all first before acting upon that information that was garnered from the investigation upon your person. I must be honest, I bore of the he said she said games, but unfortunately that is all we have here so one must attempt to delve further into what is said and attempt to see things. Unfortunately more often than not, preconstructed visions of what a person wants do tend to get in the way of things causing fallible misconceptions.

Hey, you've already said this once!  :D More pomp and circumstance. This isn't creative writing darling, this is get the job done, and win.

 

Am I denying anything you have said to be true FDM? Absolutely not, for all I know you can be telling the 100% truth, but then again, you could be tossing in your own conjecture in an attempt to thwart the real action that needs to be carried out. You could be attempting to manipulate things to go in a way that benefit you, but not everyone else.

Again, are you kidding me? You've spent your entire post doing just that. Doubting and left-handedly insulting everything I've said. And funny enough, the entire point of your post was covered in the first paragraph...yet you managed to say it again and again in two more paragraphs...in the same post....yeah...  ;D