[GAME OVER - TOWN WINS] Dragon and Swift

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:03 PM, peacesells said:

This may be rambling as I'm not going to do the whole multi-quote thing.  If there are specific points you want clarification on (ignoring Ithi because here motives are very suspect to me) just ask and I'll give you the lolreceitps (lol is for Ithi).

My train has derailed due to Darthe's read of Turin/SD...so this isn't a fight more my life post.  (I do have one of those ready)


THIS FIRST PART IS MECHANICS DISCUSSION.  I'LL DRAW A LINE BELOW TO SEPERATE AND YOU CAN IGNORE THIS IF YOU WISH.  ITS WHAT I TRIED TO POST YESTERDAY WHEN DM WAS SCREWING UP.  LESS RELEVANT NOW AS DEADLINE IS APPROACHING

The is a DPR game.  It's gonna have twists and curves and I have to remind myself of that.  Especially after night 0 when we lost the coroner and I thought we(town) were cooked.

After chilling for a minute I started thinking no way this dude would allow his game to be broken Night 0.

(id still like a reason why original darthe was double dead and verified instantly and why he had the choice to do that when it wasn't in the rules.)

DPR has given us a path but I'm thinking its going to be a FU'd one.   

Roles - I've said this before but didn't elaborate my thoughts thoroughly as I was slightly annoyed at the time.

DPR doesn't seem to want easy confirmed town/scum in death scenes.  How does a mod combat this?  By mixing the PA roles.  It doesn't matter if day 1 cop or doc is town or scum because they are forced to pass that role along.  

Even if it seems OP for the scum team to start with one of those roles they can't keep it and they'd have to give it to town.

This is why after the death scene I specifically stated Heavy leaned town.  IMO he's not cleared until we have other confirming faction.  He can be triangulated with the multiple investigation roles out there.

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THE FOLLOWING IS THE START OF MY READS AND SOME OF IT IS BASED ON THE ABOVE MENTAL HEADSPACE I AM IN.


Gud and Ithi - I stated this made them both most likely town.  Because those are traditional thoughts and its hard to get away from those well worn paths.  (Darthe is displaying some of this too)

If I were a pirate mod...one of these two roles would start on the scum team to sow confusion.  (with so many investigative roles there has to be balance.  Confusion could be that balance.)

Ithi - I've been framing here as town in my mind...but she has so many friggin scum tells to me that its a juxtaposition.  These two things dont fit plus i have a natural tendency to fight the omgus you must be scum for accusing me thing.  (heavy, i'm talking to you)

Point 1
She accuses me of directing in a post but she is actually the one doing this.  Its a human nature thing to think others are capable of what you are capable of.  

For example:  She gets on people for not voting....then later state second voters are scum.  This actually keeps trains from forming.  I love 3rd votes because it tends to start real discussions yet she laying traps? for second voters.

The funny thing about that is later, she's placed the 2nd vote on people three times.  

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The 2nd vote thing is a standard joke... but the first person to do a 2nd vote after I made that joke was ... Turin.

 

 

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:03 PM, peacesells said:

 

Point 2

She purposefully misrepresents and condemns someone for actions while supporting or not calling out  others for the same actions.  

example:  She attacked Gud for basically not playing the game right 

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I think Gud knows how much I trust her.

 

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:03 PM, peacesells said:

 

but lets Ed fly by unscathed.  Makes you scratch your head abit.

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I have called out Ed a few times and even suggested he may be the Symp.

 

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:03 PM, peacesells said:

She also got fake offended by me as a distraction to be opportunistic to my obviously sarcastic post.  She was so bullheaded about it she refused to back off and concede I was obviously being sarcastic and that I did not insult her.

I'll admit, this kind of crap is a push button trigger for me and that can leak through but I don't do emotional blackmail.  If I offend someone I own it and try to learn.  But fake offenses...I'm not having it

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This is where you asked me if I was being Thick on purpose yes? I think I tried to roll past it but you were the one who kept bringing it up and demanding that I answered your question as to whether I was being thick on purpose. I do still think that name calling is petty and childish and isn't needed in a Mafia Game.

 

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:03 PM, peacesells said:

Point 3

As I mentioned before she has placed second votes a few times.  These have been momentum changing votes two of the 3 times.

First, on Teph's lynch.  Berf pops in for "a few minutes" to basically say I'll change my vote to Teph easily.  Keep in mind Teph is low on the radar but not super high at the time and other persons of interest have strong heat - namely SD.

Ithi quickly changes her vote and Berf right after that.  That's an interesting sequence.  I thought so at the time but put in my file for later evidence.

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This was because no-one was going to join me on the Sinister lynch. Berf said he would be about for 5 more minutes. I think it worked out as being 4am in Aussie time. My Teph Vote was because his initial reason for voting Tigs was awful, especially when he said he did have a Mafia lean on another player. I wasn't going to sit on a dead lynch. So I moved and he did what he said he would do. Teph was the Hot Potato aka roleblocker... a generally Mafia role. I don't feel bad about the Teph lynch at all. I'm guessing you did, cos you left your vote on Heavy. Are you missing having a Roleblocker?

 

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:03 PM, peacesells said:

Then Ithi is the second vote on SD the next day.  (but 2nd voters are scum right)

To be followed by heavy doing the omgus thing and landing a vote on me with a quick removal of her (scummiest person) vote to me.   Which in turn gets me a 3rd vote off of momentum. 

This Ithi directing (which she accused me of doing with no lolreceipts btw)

THIS IS PART 1.  BREAKING IT UP FOR EASIER CONSUMPTOIN.  IM GONNA NEED AT LEAST ANOTHER HOUR.


 

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Not sure what the directing thing is. Quite a few people have asked me who I thought they should vote for and I've declined each time as I feel each person should make their own votes and give their own reasons.

 

I am looking forward to part two. I think your decision to engage me directly was unwise.

[peacesells]

allright..late night and early morning (god you guys are active early( stuff).

Lots of activity discussing bus driver stuff.  Darthe laying out the two places settings and people while not denying his claim choosing to vote or case the two people other that whats on the plate.
 

I mean c'mon.  Turin and SD.  If you arent casing those two guys wtf are you doing?  Even If I'm someone you think is scummy (heavy and ithi) you should be spending your energy cases both these guys. 

If I'm so in the bag, insta lynch me tomorrow or the day after if I'm still around.  /sheesh

It's distracting.

of the two between SD and Turin I think Turin has done the more pro town actions.  Laid out clear reasoning.  Both have brought up bus driver...which is pinging me in a weird way. I'm not sure if that is a pro or con.

Putting myself in their position as both scum and town I have a hard time deciding how I would play it out.  If town, I pretty sure I'd just be reasonable.  I think Turin has been the most reasonable of the two and I still have a case that I believe in against SD...despite Shads defense.



 

[peacesells]

VOTE SD

[Tephulis]

vote sd

[peacesells]

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:34 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

 

 

I am looking forward to part two. I think your decision to engage me directly was unwise.

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The level of condescension you display is just more proof of my opinion of your tactics.  

[Ithillian Turambar]

Oh look. Teph has a vote on SD.

[SinisterDeath]

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:44 PM, Tephulis said:

vote sd

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Unless I'm mistaken, @DPR says you can't vote or talk until D3.

 

But boy, that looks like a big ol' wolf hammer vote there.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:49 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Unless I'm mistaken, @DPR says you can't vote or talk until D3.

 

But boy, that looks like a big ol' wolf hammer vote there.

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That was for the newly dead I believe, not me and Teph. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:48 PM, peacesells said:

The level of condescension you display is just more proof of my opinion of your tactics.  

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I didn't know you had it all written up already so I thought I'd have to wait.

 

Anyways I've answered the parts about me.

 

I'm not condescending, I just think it's a baseless accusation against me and it doesn't make you look very good.

[peacesells]

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:49 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Unless I'm mistaken, @DPR says you can't vote or talk until D3.

 

But boy, that looks like a big ol' wolf hammer vote there.

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This.

UNVOTE

[SinisterDeath]

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:50 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

That was for the newly dead I believe, not me and Teph. 

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ahhh, that might be true.

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:51 PM, peacesells said:

This.

UNVOTE

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probably to late.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Peace that is not very convincing. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Digging the fake unvote there.

 

Looks like it's Turin, Teph and Peace then.

 

And a symp.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Good times.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:33 PM, DPR said:

Current Vote Cout:

 

SD (4)  - Turin, Gud, Shad, Ed

Turin (4) - SD, Ithi, Darthe, Heavy

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

 

3 hours 27 mins til EoD

 

Day 2 ends at 4 pm on Monday, the 2nd. 
The countdown timer is the first post in the OP

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Plus Teph and Peace. Not liking anyone on SD. Getting sussed out for example that Gud appears to be on the pro-mafia train each day. Bah. Nothing concrete to go on. Ed and Peace seem nearly certain mafia given everything. But what about Turin? Bah bah bah. I dont know. Maybe I'm just wrong about it all. 

[SinisterDeath]

I find the lulz here that Peace was gaining some slight town cred from me with your 3+ part post, you vote for me, and then a wolf in waiting "hammers".

 

Remember how I said that these wolves love "Frame jobs"? Keep that in mind in the future Townies.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Oh I forgot Darthe might be telling the truth. Really? Whatever. 

[DPR]

Final Vote Count:

 

SD (6) - Turin, Gud, Shad, Ed, peace, Teph

Turin (4) - SD, Ithi, Darthe, Heavy

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

I wonder if anyone has been shot. Lol, probably me again, hehe. 

[peacesells]

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:58 PM, SinisterDeath said:

I find the lulz here that Peace was gaining some slight town cred from me with your 3+ part post, you vote for me, and then a wolf in waiting "hammers".

 

Remember how I said that these wolves love "Frame jobs"? Keep that in mind in the future Townies.

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Do you know its a hammer?

You know you were at 5 votes for awhile right?

[peacesells]

i guess we do now.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:57 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Plus Teph and Peace. Not liking anyone on SD. Getting sussed out for example that Gud appears to be on the pro-mafia train each day. Bah. Nothing concrete to go on. Ed and Peace seem nearly certain mafia given everything. But what about Turin? Bah bah bah. I dont know. Maybe I'm just wrong about it all. 

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Turin is probs Mafia. That line up on Sinister is awful.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 6/2/2025 at 5:00 PM, peacesells said:

i guess we do now.

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Oh you knew.

 

I'm really not trying to wind you up but you definitely know cos you planned it lol

 

Like you planned the unvote to make it seem like you not on a team with Teph.

[SinisterDeath]

  On 6/2/2025 at 5:00 PM, peacesells said:

Do you know its a hammer?

You know you were at 5 votes for awhile right?

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I was at 4 for awhile.
You made it 5. Teph made it 6. 

[Darthe]

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:28 PM, peacesells said:

PART 2

SHAD - DARTHE  As I was keeping up between innings at the baseball game sucking down blue moons things were happening that made me go "whoa".  Albeit in hindsight I was a little buzzed and that kind of whoa may seem like a scum catch but its that strong.

Two days in a row we've had hyper-defenses happen that just don't make since to me.  Like, how can you so strongly defend someone without knowing their alignment.  Both players here are guilty of this.  Shad for SD and Darthe for me. 

Darthe - Comes across very certain of three alignments in this game.  Mine, Heavy's and Eds.  His words two scum, Heavy and Ed, one town me.  A weird way to be certain about people.  His defense of me wasn't as bad as Shads of SD...but its there.

I thought it was interesting the Darthe wasn't nk'd.  If he is so goated and the scum team are afraid of him AND the thought that Leelou was a benign kill then using that reasoning it makes way more sense to have NK'd him again.  
 

Tig was benign had modconfirmed legit excuse for not posting.  So nothing to play off of.  And Darthe is the scary GOAT right? 


Shad -  Shad's was hyper defensive of SD yesterday.  I pushed and pushed him and he would not budge.  Even tried the buddy up tactic by calling me town multiple time (side glances at Ithi here).  I don't care how town you say I am....it doesn't change my opinion.

Then he says, he'd vote easily berf and easily calling Heavy town.  When end of day arrived he hovered a long time claiming he'd hammer.  But he voted berf's choice that started the counter train.  No reasoning.  Looks like he got weirded out.  Either bussed Teph of voted who had momentum.

Of these two, my opinion one of them is scum or scum related (symp)

THE END OF PART 2.

I'm losing some of my own momentum here and need to catch up and see what is happening. 

I'll do part 3 later but those thoughts are less vigorous. 



 

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You gotta read better.

 

i think heavy is probably a wolf, you’re slightly more probably town, and ed is almost certainly town.

 

Irt your shad thoughts I really follow his defense of SD.  Are you suggesting any of this is a wolf tell?  I don’t track how, if so.