[GAME OVER - TOWN WINS] Dragon and Swift

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 6/2/2025 at 9:16 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Consider also how active Peace was and how confrontational. Now Darthe is arguing the case he has slanked off (could be weekend etc) but does it not stand out to you that Peace was all buddy buddy with Ithi, then got aggressive and is now chill with Darthe defending him and pointing out how difficult his posts would be to fake as a wolf. I don't see it myself, but I do see collusion.

 

We need to be hunting wolves, not discussing spec or debating if we should follow Darthe blindly. There is nothing mod confirmed that says we should, and we will lose if he is wrong. That is way I see it at least.

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I am with you on some of this. I made it clear in the Night that I thought Peace was Mafia.

 

And the timing of the Darthe claim could be opportune or just good targeting by him. Sinister was also very suspect to me so I welcome a view of him. If Darthe's action found a Mafia in Sinister or Turin then that's a good thing. If he is the Symp then none of them will be Mafia and it's a very clever role to give to the Symp.

 

Which is why I'm not really willing to use Mechanics right now to find the Mafia and will instead use my own 'what has this player done and said in this game' method instead.

 

I think the retired Werewolf Hunter, that they can't accidentally kill makes more sense for the Symp. Or even the Anti Doctor, but Pirates are tricky so....

 

I will keep my eye on the Sinister/Turin dynamic and there are more days that we can Lynch... maybe with an additional view or some kind on either of them.

 

[Turin Turambar]

From the first paragraph it looks like you are convinced Darthe is not town. Do you think it is exactly Peace and Darthe? If so, okay, as you can only lunch one person per day. Say you lunch Peace and he flips with a role that looks town, or with nothing, what does that do to your Darthe read? Or reverse it and say he flips with something that looks mafia aligned? What then?

  On 6/2/2025 at 9:11 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I don't see any possibility from Darthe's play that he is not mafia or the symp. No one has offered any reasoning for how he has played except from Darthe is gonna Darthe and that I am so bad I should eliminated every game for the good of everyone.

 

Neither of these convinces me in the slightest.

 

We are voting Peace (some of us) to see what shakes out rather than voting for you or Sinister as that comes down to do we trust Darthe or not, nothing about our reads. And what shook out when we voted Peace? Super Darthe to the rescue! It seems ignoring Peace and following Darthe purely on the strength of Darthe saying this is a good idea seems sub-optimal play.

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It's not just because he said so. There is undeniable evidence that the ability was used. So I don't see how if you are so convinced that he is lying because his other actions are so anti-town that you aren't voting for him. It's like you are saying "he's definitely a wolf but I'm going this way instead ". That doesn't  make sense to me. Unless you are even more convinced Peace is a wolf. It doesn't seem that way though because you said you are voting Peace to "see what shakes out".

 

I'm confused. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Also you might not like them, but I see your spirals of doubt and suspicion as a good thing. Town Heavy is paranoid Heavy. And you had a Town positive role, in my opinion.

 

Just remember to have confidence in your alignment and let everything else wash over you. Take note, but don't take it personally. 

 

Darthe can get a bit grubby with the way he plays and he knows it.

 

If we die we still get to vote or talk, thanks to Darthe 1.0 being dead. I still recommend voting btw.

[DPR]

  On 6/2/2025 at 6:57 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Good morning all 🙂

 

@DPR could we have confirmation on the Hot Potato role? Given the imagery invoked by a Hot Potato being thrown amongst the players and the use of the definitive article on "the potato", I assumed that the potato in question was the whole role. Is it in fact just a role blocker with another name?

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For this game, that might be a fair description. 

 

  On 6/2/2025 at 8:54 AM, Turin Turambar said:

You're not the boss of me!!! Lolololololol 

 

Shad is starting to get suspicious with his early defense of SD. That he is shifting slightly more to believing me (my take) is actually making me worry more about him (and to a lesser extent my SD read, tbh) as it's feeling like he is positioning to go "well, it wasn't SD, so Turin is next". He would word it better of course. 

 

Ed is not being very forthcoming.  He killed Heavy but didn't vote him which is kinda weird. I guess it could be he already put in the shot so knew a vote was unnecessary. I wish I knew when he submitted that kill. Also, I don't think I could quote a single actual read, other than sussing you (but not doing anything with that sus)

 

@DPR, was the cutscene with the scream directly related to when the kill shot was submitted??? There was some joking about last minute.com I think

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*ducks the PAFO sign, lol

 

I also have to say that I'm reconsidering my earlier position about the permanent roles being alignment indicating. Particularly in the case of the symp. A peripheral role could be just right for a true wolf in town clothing. So that puts Heavy and Darthe in my tinfoil category.

 

So that's kinda 4. See how much of a rebel I am?? Lololololol 

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All actions are performed simultaneously at end of phase. They may be submitted anytime. All scenes are for flavor only. Lol

[DPR]

Current Vote Cout:

 

SD (3)  - Turin, Gud, peace

peace (3) - Heavy, Shad, Ithi

Turin (1) - SD

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

 

9 hours til EoD

 

Day 2 ends at 4 pm on Monday, the 2nd. 
The countdown timer is the first post in the OP

[Shad_]

  On 6/2/2025 at 7:35 AM, Turin Turambar said:

I'm pretty sure a symp (lost wolf) shows as town on investigation checks so I don't think this is true. The role states they are town that win with mafia. I guess I could be wrong,  but I don't think so in this case.

 

I don't really see how Mentalist has wolf utility. I mean it takes it away from town use, and as we have seen, the role itself is self confirming. It could be just an easy place to allow a wolf to hide and guarantee a town lynch before the eyes and pitchforks get turned on the Mentalist. Throw in extra kills and it could run the clock. Now I'm doubting myself. Stupid pirate and his tricksy game.

 

I still think SD is a Wolf though.

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Oh

 

No, if the lost wolf peeks green then Mentalist has no wolf utility, so we'd be back to the only potential for messing with Darthe's claim as a bus driver.

 

Weird to make the most difficult to read wolf slot a godfather, but I guess it does prevent concerns like mine at least.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/2/2025 at 9:35 AM, Turin Turambar said:

From the first paragraph it looks like you are convinced Darthe is not town. Do you think it is exactly Peace and Darthe? If so, okay, as you can only lunch one person per day. Say you lunch Peace and he flips with a role that looks town, or with nothing, what does that do to your Darthe read? Or reverse it and say he flips with something that looks mafia aligned? What then?

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One step at a time. I am sussing Darthe on his behaviour, and that doesn't change remarkably with anything about Peace. But his defending of Peace is part of what is sketching me out, but it does make me feel all wonderful about Darthe even if Peace is town. Gun to my head, Darthe is the symp. I simply cannot see anyway his behaviour is pro-town. He is chastising everyone for not building a town core, yet the people that are in the de facto town core he attacks for having their head in the wrong place (Ithi), for being a liability if they don't agree with him (Gud) and being a wolf with a case (me).

  On 6/2/2025 at 9:35 AM, Turin Turambar said:

It's not just because he said so. There is undeniable evidence that the ability was used. So I don't see how if you are so convinced that he is lying because his other actions are so anti-town that you aren't voting for him. It's like you are saying "he's definitely a wolf but I'm going this way instead ". That doesn't  make sense to me. Unless you are even more convinced Peace is a wolf. It doesn't seem that way though because you said you are voting Peace to "see what shakes out".

 

I'm confused. 

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This is sketching me out. I accepted there seems no chance at all that Darthe is not the Mentalist. However if he is the Symp that does not mean he telling the truth about his investigations. Being a town!mentalist does not fit with his behaviour, not as I can understand it. So when he says that you and Sinister are not the same alignment that is entirely on his say so.

 

I'm not voting him as as far as I can see, no one else is being even slightly sus of him, which I do not understand. Even Ithi is just assuming he has some big brain reason for acting the way he is acting and the fact she doesn't know what it is feels horribly like her acceptance of DPR's behaviour in the Action Hero game. But Ithi appears to be an unCC'd townie so.... yeah, I don't know. Voting for DPR the whole game did not get me very far, and in that game it really felt like there was nothing I could do to affect the outcome. I'm hoping this isn't going the same way.

 

I'm voting Peace as he as had some incredibly wolfy moments, seems involved in a few other suspicions, and seems a fruitful avenue of research. Voting Darthe on my own does nothing but derail Peace's train. 

 

I'd love to get a bit more consensus but at least a few people are sketched out by Peace so that seems a good start as it is not reliant on one player's uncorroborated testimony, but reads from mulitple pro-town players. 

 

Berf is also suspicious but has been quiet over the weekend. Ed is also remarkably suspicious. Teph seems all but confirmed mafia. So my feelings are the mafia and the symp are among Teph/Darthe/Berf/Peace/Ed but Sinister's behaviour has not all been comforting, your reasoning at times seems really really sketchy, Shad seems to be clever enough to seem reasonable even when he is making the most outrageous lies up. So I am not claiming to have solved the game but these are the reads I have to work with.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/2/2025 at 11:53 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

and being a wolf with a case (me).

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Should a wolf without making a case, sorry.

[Darthe]

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:01 AM, Shad_ said:

  

 

SD brings it up first.  That complicates things.

 

 

Turin was giving a full overview of mech and bus driver was already on the table.  He didn't raise it out of the blue.  Unfortunate because I like easy solutions.

 

I dunno man Turin's headspace is just so inaccessible to me in this game.

 

I had my longer post about it earlier which he didn't offer a response to.

 

But here too there's no gusto.  Like ok Turin must have had pretty firm convictions about SD on D1 given I was hopping and shouting about don't lynch SD don't lynch SD and he was all nah that guy is definitely the best lynch candidate.  He didn't miss it because he commented on it.  Now you've got a difference check between yourself and your top wolf read, someone you're already invested in.  Where's the vindication?  You nailed it and stuck to your guns in the face of opposition and voted a wolf D1 right?  Like, hell yeah right?  You aren't voting him because it's mechanically optimal because there was a difference check and you know you're town and the probability of bus driver is yadda yadda.  Come on.  That's your pelt.  There's no joy in it.  It's so mechanical and dispassionate.

 

We all express ourselves differently but I expect a little fist pump somewhere.  Vs a wolf here wants to ride the upper hand they have going into it and try to avoid a thunderdome at all costs.  Could just be a bus driver but this is the best lead we got yeah right your top suspect just got difference checked with you.

 

I don't like it.  What makes it hard is SD kinda did the same thing.  SD was never pushing Turin, so there's that.  The wolf SD I saw skimming the last game didn't hesitate to call people wolves aggressively, so there's that.  Hmm....

 

There was a post in a game I helped Ithi do VCs in where I read one sentence out of Turin's mouth and said he's town for this.  I'm going to go find it.  I need to get my head back into how he thinks.

 

 

 

 

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I’d like to keep some level of sus out on you shad, purely out of respect for your game, but if you keep making posts like this ima have no choice but to be your ride or die.

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:21 AM, Shad_ said:

 

Both of these posts are fine.

 

For one thing Turin would have been a good target for a bus drive for precisely the reason he stated.  I don't know that I should put too much weight into the mindset behind hypotheticals but I generally know when I'm a good cop target and when I'm not and Turin would have been a good cop target n1 I feel.  It at least makes sense.

 

For the other, I kind of expected that town!SD would suss me for the defense yesterday and town!Turin would suss me after the difference check.  Both did to some extent, so that kinda breaks even.

 

 

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The thing about a bus drive is that for me to mid-hit a wolf we have to assume the wolves were willing to bus drive a town player with themselves.  In this game… where the list of power roles is long and lethal.  Very likely they use a utility like that between two townies to sew chaos.

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:27 AM, Shad_ said:

 

This is a good post.  This has a little emotion behind it. 

 

I didn't want to find good posts you're making it hard.

 

What if Darthe's just a wolf and the whole thing is a charade to easily lock up the game lol

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I appreciate the sort of legendary status you’ve all assigned to me but it’s getting to be a bit much.  Preening in the glory of my reputation, while satisfying, isn’t ideal for town!darthe.

  On 6/2/2025 at 4:52 AM, Shad_ said:

What a rabbit hole I have embarked down lol

 

I don't care enough to keep digging.

 

Turin hasn't had a spark moment of blatant villageriness but the one I quoted as a good post does resonate a bit with what I read him as town for correctly before.

 

SD's D1 looked profoundly different from what I saw skimming through a couple posts in his wolf game with the important note that he didn't have any posts in this game that resembled the ones I consistently found there.  Could it be because I didn't check early enough and caught a different stage in his ramping up process?  Perhaps.  Given flips I would have been pretty ok with killing him D1 for info.  What if he deliberately changed his play style is utter nonsense and no one is simultaneously skilled enough to do that at will and bad enough to get killed within the first two days as either alignment every time anyway.  Doesn't happen.  If he's a wolf here it's precisely that I was looking at the wrong phase of his performance process and I really wish someone had met me half way on his meta instead of just tossing out people change their meta all the time and but he said the word lightning rod in both games and that sort of nonsense.  I still think it's unlikely.

Darthe is uniquely hard to read because he's quite good at this game.  Is there wolf utility in Mentalist?  Yes.  Would he exploit having this role as a wolf to difference check two villagers?  Of course he would.

 

Now what lol

 

I think we got off to a very bad start on the mechanics in terms of losing our best roles early.  It is what it is.  Perfect storm of the site doesn't allow searches and ctrl+f functionality breaks and doesn't return every post and we lost our abilities to see alignments, I'm somewhat irritated because answers are out there but I don't want to put in the time to find them.

 

Leelou and Darthe 1.0's reads have to matter, right?  Right?  Wolves aren't just killing all the people who are wrong and then not making any effort to get us to sheep them, right?  Who did they think were wolves.  That won't resolve the Turin/SD/Darthe 2.0 migraine but might contain the answer to who the other wolves are.

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To be fair, SD spent his last game posting horoscopes and then effectively soppoku’d by not bussing his teammate.  I don’t think I’d give any meta on him a ton of confidence.

 

on the flip side, Turin is.. underwhelming.  I dunno why.  Two games of setup spec that got him a lot of hate. A game off.  Now he’s back and playing with Ithi and letting her do most of the talking like a good warder, but not a good mafia player.

 

SD is my current pick but that may be a bias towards activity.  We wouldn’t be wrong to kill em both, particularly in a game with no coroner.

 

as for my first life reads, I myself haven’t went back and reread them so I didn’t give much credence there.  I was baiting the N0 NK thinking I could be a confirmed tree stump all game and that I’d get to pass the coroner off on the following day… that’s my b misunderstanding the mechanics.  I think Leelou was killed just because she was fairly universally town read, but her reads could be of value.  Glad to see you solving in any case, these are all very strong posts.  

[Shad_]

  On 6/2/2025 at 8:03 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

 

With Sinister it is awkward as I have no example of how Town!Sinister plays, and too often this obfuscating style of posting seems far too reminiscent of Wolf!Sinister.

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I'll say this, the way he danced around claiming today was the worst I've felt about him.  As much as it should be obvious for a wolf to just claim and twtbaw to still himhaw about it, I've seen wolves hesitate in his position so many times.

 

In other words, the writing is on the wall and I am grasping for ways in which my D1 take might have been wrong.  XD

 

I swear though what struck me so much in his last wolf game was the absence of unclarity.  Were his reasons goofy?  Sure, but he was persistently forthcoming about where he stood, vs I've had no idea what his opinions are here.  Disparities between games matter a lot more to me than whether someone's baseline play style makes sense.  A bit of couching from his then teammate Darthe that didn't stick around post-game perhaps?  I guess I'm going to find out sooner or later.

[Darthe]

  On 6/2/2025 at 7:25 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Words have meaning, Darthe. I said it was your reads that were garbage, and it was a disappointment to read your post. It is kind of hilarious that after getting burned and deaded for taking the position of "Git gud, noob" and offering to teach me how to play last game when I sussed you, you are now taking the injured position of "Heavy is being mean to me". Isn't a good look, especially not when you are also calling me a serial loser and claiming that I'm so bad that I should be policy lynched every game.

 

I see you have built on your garbage raisin-free case of "these are wolf posts, this is a wolf" by calling my posts "slop" that any townie worth their salt can tell is from a wolf.

 

Still completely free of any reasons as to how my reasoning or behaviour has anything to do with alignment at all except for "trust me, bro". I repeat, this is total garbage.

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Words do have meaning.  I’m not offended, but I acknowledged the attempt to bait, which it was.  Ceiling it behind “I didn’t call you dumb I said your thought was dumb” type semantics doesn’t change that.

 

You do still have a ton to learn.  You don’t want to be critiqued yet respond like a feral animal anytime you get sus.  You miss fundamentals and tunnel on reads where people call them out because your tone is ahead of your mechanical knowledge.  The disparity between your rationale and experience lead you down paths of reasoning a more experienced player rejects before ever voicing, and you get stuck in them.

 

I could help address these things in a softer way, but you’re dead set on picking a fight with me, so instead of the leeway I’d normally give a newer player you get the same treatment I’d give anyone else.  Tough for you, is that it is a simple logical truth that you’re either going to need to stop making these kinds of mistakes or you’re gonna cause the rest of your team to lose every game you sign up for.  You’ll see this as an affront, but it’s simple risk mitigation stemming from your perspective being too obstinate to learn from others.
 

Gotta give somewhere.

 

 

 

[Darthe]

  On 6/2/2025 at 7:30 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

I never like it when you say things like this. It'd a subtle way to cast Shade. Like I need coaching on how to play this game dude. 

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I’m condescending to heavy, but never to you.

 

Try taking my words in good faith a bit more.  I truly don’t have the headspace to walk on eggshells with you Ithi.  I think you’re so good that I’m hesitant to set and forget my read on you for fear you’ll fool me.

[Darthe]

And for what it’s worth, pick a f*n lane people.  It’s exhausting to have to juggle noobs who think I’m trash, champs game players who think I’m a top talent, and the host of you who will never give me a town read because “darthe could be fooling me”.  I’m a dude here to hang out with old buds and play a game.  If I’m not NKd by f5 and you didn’t peek me that’s your faults. Otherwise, stop taking my valuable time with your WIFOM and secure your own reads.

[Darthe]

  On 6/2/2025 at 7:25 AM, Turin Turambar said:

I'm really really trying to be kinder gentler, less snarky Turin. Besides,  you don't do the griddy (TD celebration) when it's 1st and 10 at the opponents 15 yard line. You do it when you've scored. There is still work to be done to get that pelt on the wall. I've stated my case D1  and DM was a muthafluffa yesterday.

 

So yeah...

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I need a clear read on Ithi.  Preferably with some depth.

[Shad_]

  On 6/2/2025 at 11:54 AM, Darthe said:

 

To be fair, SD spent his last game posting horoscopes and then effectively soppoku’d by not bussing his teammate.  I don’t think I’d give any meta on him a ton of confidence.

 

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I mean, he definitely artificially inflated his posts with the horoscope gibberish often but it usually followed a briefer game-related post in which he took stances, something he hardly did here.  But it's irrelevant at this point because with the clarity Turin gave on the Mentalist role I agree that this is a two-way debate not a three-way, and I don't see a likely world where we lynch Turin before SD.  At this point I'm mostly just annoyed that I won't get to find out who was right until the game ends.

[Darthe]

  On 6/2/2025 at 7:50 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Here Darthe again is using the argument, "you don't know how to play, do what I say or you are a liability".

 

 

 

Or is it all just "complex reasons" that no one else will understand?

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I cut out your two paragraph summary, as a display of reading comprehension isn’t really worth taking all that space for.

 

liability has some natural connotations that are negative, admittedly, but I do mean it in the least offensive sense of the word.  

 

fwiw, the latter point rarely happens.  Give these folks more credit, everyone who’s played this long is very experienced.

[Darthe]

  On 6/2/2025 at 8:06 AM, Turin Turambar said:

Just like Heavy is gonna Heavy, Derf is gonna Derf, lol. 

These are the facts.

Darthe claimed a comparison view of SD and Turin.

The MOD CONFIRMED THE MENTALIST ABILITY WAS USED BY REMOVING IT FROM THE GAME.

No one cc'd being the Mentalist. 

Therefore,  Darthe is the Mentalist. 

So now we have the following options.

1. Darthe's claim is true and his read was true, meaning either SD or Turin is mafia (hint: it's SD)

2. Darthe's claim is true but his results are not. In this case, there is nothing to see here except how people react to the claim.

3. Darthe is lying about his results. It would be high Derf level play to use the ability on someone randomly just to get the MOD confirmation and then make up the result to send town on  wild goose chase as several of the more vocal people have expressed vigorous opinions on both of SD and Turin. In this case Darthe is the mafia and is hoping he can use his mafia skills to twist enough to win before he is caught. I doubt this is the case, but this is Darthe, so... I dunno.6

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2 and 3 are the same thing.

 

itd be wild to lie about these, I think.  And I didn’t, fwiw.  Doesn’t serve any benefit, my reads aren’t so strong that I’d assume I could snipe that.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/2/2025 at 12:04 PM, Darthe said:

Words do have meaning.  I’m not offended, but I acknowledged the attempt to bait, which it was.  Ceiling it behind “I didn’t call you dumb I said your thought was dumb” type semantics doesn’t change that.

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It was not an attempt to bait - far from it. I was spitting-blood livid with your behaviour in combination with some other things like Dice's Gotcha moment. I said your reads were garbage as one, they were not backed up any reasons or showed any thought processes and appear, at least in my limited perception, to be entirely motivated to benefit the wolf team. Saying that I called you personally garbage is nonsensical and not an accusation I appreciate.

  On 6/2/2025 at 12:04 PM, Darthe said:

You do still have a ton to learn.  You don’t want to be critiqued yet respond like a feral animal anytime you get sus.  You miss fundamentals and tunnel on reads where people call them out because your tone is ahead of your mechanical knowledge.  The disparity between your rationale and experience lead you down paths of reasoning a more experienced player rejects before ever voicing, and you get stuck in them.

 

I could help address these things in a softer way, but you’re dead set on picking a fight with me, so instead of the leeway I’d normally give a newer player you get the same treatment I’d give anyone else.  Tough for you, is that it is a simple logical truth that you’re either going to need to stop making these kinds of mistakes or you’re gonna cause the rest of your team to lose every game you sign up for.  You’ll see this as an affront, but it’s simple risk mitigation stemming from your perspective being too obstinate to learn from others.
 

Gotta give somewhere.

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I'm not picking a fight with you. I want to clarify your position so that I, as a town player, can see where you are coming from. At the moment it looks to me like you have been subbed into a symp role with your team having lost a member and having others sussed so you have decided to go big or go home. Your attack on me has no basis, you have given town cred to Peace and Ed and you have attacked the all-but-confirmed-town players for playing badly.

 

Also you seem slightly confused as to whether I'm an obstinate, inexperienced loser who is losing the game for town, or a cunning wolf that has flown under everyone's radar but yours. You want to clear that up? 

 

And also, you have no idea who I am or what affronts me, and thankfully you don't seem to know where my buttons are so if you would kindly stop fumbling about my person, I'd appreciate it. Try to have a little decorum.

[Darthe]

  On 6/2/2025 at 8:16 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I'm not doubting the claim.

 

My point is that everything single thing Darthe has done is anti-town that I can see. Clearing Ed. Attacking me without any reasons. Voting on Teph's counter train. Bullying people in thread for not agreeing with him. Not making a case about anything. 

 

So I am deeply, deeply suspicious of his behaviour. In this context, it makes no sense just to accept his claim about anyone's alignment. I mean we are at 8-2 if we are lucky at the moment, 7-3 if you count the Symp. If Darthe is not telling the truth we'll be at 4-2 with the Symp still along (assuming one mafia NK per night and no other mishaps). And he wants to eliminate me as well without question, that is a straight mafia victory and it relies on no reads, no case, no mod confirmation, just a "trust me bro" where if we do and we shouldn't we have lost the game.

 

Am I really the only person that isn't suspicious about this?

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This is your best post.  Blegh, I need to reconsider.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/2/2025 at 12:21 PM, Darthe said:

This is your best post.  Blegh, I need to reconsider.

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Thanks? lol.

[Darthe]

  On 6/2/2025 at 8:53 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Yes I am accepting that he is the Mentalist, and will do until there is a CC, which seems unlikely at this point. I did at the time have a little moment where I thought there was a way where it could be a fake claim but I was wrong about the mechanics there (for full disclosure, so no one can claim I'm contradicting myself).

 

I don't agree with any of Darthe's reads. I think his behaviour has been resolutely anti-town. I cannot see anyway he is working for town's benefit and his argument to convince me is that I am so bad at mafia I should be policy lynched at the beginning of every game. Do you see how that is not a particularly convincing argument for me? So I don't care about Darthe's claim of alignment at all. I think we should be hunting wolves. And Darthe is claiming I'm a wolf (which I can 100% confirm I'm not), Ed is sound, Peace is sound - it seems like Darthe is blocking all leads into the wolves and the symp without giving any reasons that he can just tell. This does not give me any confidence in anything else he is saying, and until he can actually justify anything he is saying I think he is best ignored.

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This right here is good, it’s getting to the core of what is missing.

 

Let me give you something antithetical to your perspective on mafia.  

Most cases are useless.

 

you can’t base your perspective on my perspective (if you’re town).  You don’t know my alignment.  

 

you have my perspective.  You have and will continue get my progressions in real time as I make them.

 

ive cut the chaff and left you with the core.  I even show my progress.  
 

It’s not really on me to make sure you understand, but here I am anyhow, despite my take on you, in case it actually helps something click.

[Gudrean]

  On 6/2/2025 at 7:51 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I think this too. I think it would be hilarious if the Mentalist check looked up a Mafia AND the Symp. 

 

Sinister says he's hinted at his role? I'm gonna have to read through this whole Thread and for that H8U Sinister.

 

I think maybe another look at the End of Day 1 voting needs to be done, to see who unvoted Heavy... *cough NOT Peace* and who did unvote and who seemed comfortable voting for Teph and when they voted etc. Shame we don't got Zander and his deadly Voting Math skills.

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that would be hilarious. wish we did have Zander!

Ithi what are your thoughts on the theory of the bus driver causing the mentalists results to be swapped? I admit it's a mind screw for me and I think you are good as clear town, so I'm honestly looking at your answer to this.

[Darthe]

Jesus the hate boner is real.  Every goddamn post is about me.

 

I’m just skipping all of that.  Heavy, take your read and do whatever you want, your thoughts just aren’t worth this many paragraphs.  

[Darthe]

  On 6/2/2025 at 9:38 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Also you might not like them, but I see your spirals of doubt and suspicion as a good thing. Town Heavy is paranoid Heavy. And you had a Town positive role, in my opinion.

 

Just remember to have confidence in your alignment and let everything else wash over you. Take note, but don't take it personally. 

 

Darthe can get a bit grubby with the way he plays and he knows it.

 

If we die we still get to vote or talk, thanks to Darthe 1.0 being dead. I still recommend voting btw.

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Heavy has never been a wolf in previous games from what I understand.  So how do you know the bold?

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/2/2025 at 12:32 PM, Darthe said:

This right here is good, it’s getting to the core of what is missing.

 

Let me give you something antithetical to your perspective on mafia.  

Most cases are useless.

 

you can’t base your perspective on my perspective (if you’re town).  You don’t know my alignment.  

 

you have my perspective.  You have and will continue get my progressions in real time as I make them.

 

ive cut the chaff and left you with the core.  I even show my progress.  
 

It’s not really on me to make sure you understand, but here I am anyhow, despite my take on you, in case it actually helps something click.

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I'm sorry but this does not mean anything to me. If I cannot empathize with your actions, I can only assume you are mafia-aligned. This could of course be my failing, but there is not a lot I can do about that. My failings are after all integral to me. 

 

I feel you are being obstructionist and destructive and show no real attempt to hunt wolves. Your case on me seems to simply be you know I'm a wolf, I know I'm not. It is that simple, since you give no reasons for your opinion that only leaves the motivation of a mafia victory. I don't have anything else to work with because you haven't given me anything else to work with.

 

I am, as Ithi put it, in a spiral of confusion and paranoia, and there are few sturdy things to hold onto. But one of them is your total lack of a case on me. I simply cannot let it go unless you can give something else to hold onto.