Camp Dreadfall Mafia Game -- GAME OVER -- MAFIA WIN!

[DPR]

The lack of activity is deflating for sure 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

9 minutes ago, DPR said:

The lack of activity is deflating for sure 

Yup. A relaxed game is kind of appealing but we have rather taken things to extremes this time.

[Darthe]

1 hour ago, Turin Turambar said:

Well I just woke up from my nap and I have some thoughts. Beware because there is some setup info And speculation here... spoilered because I talk.

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First this is the OP. It contains the setup info.

A note to start, my understanding was there was originally supposed to be 12 players with 9 townies. One was lost so I am guessing some balance alterations had to be made. There are 3 mafia with 1 or 2 prs. There was a cop so it's possible (maybe even likely) there was a Godfather. This is good news because that role is now wasted and mafia may not have any other roles. Ed has claimed vig so that would be 2 town roles if he is telling the truth. My understandingof role balance has vig as neutral,  possibly slightly better for mafia (Darthe and DPR have modded that i know of so correct me if im wrong), so adding a vig doesn't solve the balance issue. Maybe a mafia role got removed/nerfed. I guess we will see tonight if there are any surprises. I have a town role ( not doc, not LD lol), so that makes 3 for town (again assuming Ed is truly vig). I think a doc or some similar role is likely here even if it might not fit thematically. I'm really only including this because it colours my thought process so I hope it helps you understand my perspective. 

Anyway I have suspicions on everyone but some are more tinfoil than anything. 

@ed2funy: (claimed vig) I would feel better about him if he had shot SD because that would have been better info wise. I saw him say he followed Peace on his shot. I want to see Eds take on both of those players. Also not a fan of his EoD1. 

@Darthe: I really don't like him jumping out to in his words hijack the game. His stating that he was 90% on SD with a little Ed sus only to nearly immediately go squirrel on Heavy sketches me the fluff out. Also his shushing my back and forth with DPR today was a bit odd. 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade: I've been mostly leaning town here but there are occasional things that have struck me weird. I think there were some SD defense that seemed odd and his sitting on the sidelines at EoD was striking. i neee to look at his reads more.

@Tigraine: not as present as I would like. I understand there is a lot of RL going on for her right now so I'm trying to work past it. I don't understand the viewpoint that saying you are town is not town. I mean everybody's town here right? I can see not giving cred for it but citing it as a negative I don't follow. Her EoD was somewhat concerning as well. It felt like she was never gonna vote anyone other than Peace but just held off for some reason. I dunno, why though?? 

@dicetosser1: I don't like overly grumpy Dice. It feels like a smokescreen. There was a point at EoD he flat out said he wasnt voting SD and now today he is firmly convinced that SD is mafia. Feels like a bus situation. It is worse for me because he has tried to link me with SD and intends to vote me tomorrow on a SD flip. I fully expect at some point today he will flip his vote to me if there is any chance to get me lynched even though he has no real case. He admitted as much at EoD and his attempt to link me to SD is flimsy as fluff.

@SinisterDeath: I've said quite a bit already. The lack of real commitment to any take. His TMI defense of DPR (regardless of DPRs alignmealignment is more so.im not gonna rehash all of it here.

@DPR: He didn't have SD as town all day. In fact he had him 1 spot out of his mafia group which is a common place for mafia to.place a teammate so they can sus some but not have to vote. He has constantly asked people to define their case on SD but wasn't willing to do the same for Peace saying things like "I've been clear". To me it is likely he is afraid he will contradict himself again. He has also been doing the "negging" thing that I associate with strong rep players when they role mafia. Tom was the one I remember it most from. Putting themselves above the fray. Calling play bad or dumb or garbage. If my take is bad then I think people will figure it out on their own. Thus last thing I just thought of during my nap (where I again dreamed of lunching large wolves). He has changes his arguments of why he had SD town more than once trying to find something that will resonate. He is changing because he doesn't really believe it himself. It's the same reason he contradicted himself when sussing me in the same sentence was both mafia and bad town. The nastiness was also apparent in his posts from beginning of today. That nastiness he said he uses as mafia.

 

Anyway  this is too long by half so sorry.

 

Right now I'm convinced that SD and DPR are mafia. My current thought is Dice is the third but don't really trust anyone right now. The fact nothing happened while I typed this thing is frankly alarming to me.

This is yet another strong post by Turin, not getting what Wes is still supposed to show me here but then, that aligns with what Turin said above.  
 

Turin irt your comments on me I frankly don’t care what you like, I’m not gonna sit back and watch us lose this thing and, as you should well know, interaction is the king of all kings in mafia.  Heavy screwed up, overplayed their hand on those pushes.  You may not know I’m town but I do, and that’s a wolf.  Supersedes anything else I have.  Always will.

42 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Thanks for the explanation. It is, however, still weird. I mean, you can make your lists however you want but it seems strange that if your Town lean for me, for example, was so thin that you would not rate me as null. While I get that you can have highlighted players to look at, but it is still suspicious that you are breadcrumbing possible massive changes. Given how many people are linking you with DPR this is doubly suspicious; surely you can see how having a premade excuse to move a teammate from total sus to lock clear is kind of handy? Some people say having null reads on people is something wolves often do with teammates as they don't want to incriminate them or be associated with them, but having a strong mafia read that could at any point switch to a strong town read when convenient surely is even more suspicious - even if you are just being honest about your thoughts.

 

But it is just WIFOM again. It makes you look suspicious, so a wolf wouldn't do that, but if town you thinks it isn't suspicious then presumably so would wolf you think it wasn't suspicious. Or you know it is suspicious so you are playing TWTBAW. Who knows? But regardless, it is sus.

This post says “I think you’re bad because you look bad and baddies look bad but maybe you’re not bad but bad guys are bad so I dunno but good guys do this too but you’re bad for it”.  Utterly useless crap-flinging.  There’s nothing to respond to, it’s just a prayer that if we say bad things about someone enough times people will believe em.  It’s as if im talking crazy pills that someone actively misrepping me from one page ago isn’t drawing heat for this.  Did anyone else read this post?  Every item in red is  phrased to be negatively persuasive like heavy enrolled in the Donald Trump school of mafia.   If you read nothing else about my post every player should read the Orange.

 

24 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

OK, let's not argue about whether your tone is out of your normal range. I am obviously working on a very small subset of your games.

 

But this does not explain why you have squirreled on me and responded with such frustration and desperation when I pointed out that there seemed to be a slimy connection between you and Turin. It doesn't explain why you went from being 90% certain you weren't voting for me to throwing an OMGUS vote at me. It doesn't explain why when explaining to DPR that you didn't hold Turin's case making against him (though obviously if you are calling the DPR/Turin spat T/T you aren't agreeing with it either) that you throw in "Heavy is constantly wrong" or why you think I'm only believable as town as a bad player. Saying things with precision and confidence is what you are accusing me of, yet seem very unconcerned about what I am saying with precision and confidence. 

 

Finally, you also seem to be completely ignoring that I have a meta as well - every game I have been hit by accusations of "inconsistent tone", of making observations that are too astute, of playing like a noob and a pro interchangeably. In the first game, Zander tried to eliminate me as he believed I was lying about it being my first game. Yet your case relies entirely on me being a noob who does not know how to play, ignoring that there are enough players in the game that know that this is not true. Or at least, it isn't the whole story.

 

My "case" on you was minimal and sketchy, largely based on a feeling I could not shake that you and Turin were working together in an underhand way. You just seemed to keep doing this so I voted, and we get this way over the top reaction. DPR voted for you and you are calmly discussing the game with him, whereas with me you seem to have completely upset the apple cart of what your gameplan was, and you sound really really annoyed. 

 

I don't have explanation for this, and your case on me is thinner than threadbare. "Kill him, he sounds too good for a noob" hardly great reasoning to undertake an action that will almost certainly lose town the game.

A couple things worth pulling out of here.  I love how 90% I’m voting SD got turned into you said youre 90% not voting me.  These last two posts together, while I’m being accused of desperation, clearly display that heavy hates the sus pulled.  The reaction is so natural, double down when you don’t know how to back out.  Fling what you can at the other person.

 

I’m also fascinated in how anyone justifies a townie mindset in “x doesn’t explain y” five times over where the townie never asks the corresponding questions.  Y’all starting to see it yet?

 

Further, the rest of this post is meant to dismiss my case, but my case isn’t built around meta.  If anyones too lazy to go back a page or two, I pinged heavy at the start of this over a meta thing, but my arguments now regard how inauthentically and voraciously they’re rebuffing those and spinning them.  A coached player struggles in real-time interactions, and that’s my in.  And it’s working. I could go highlight in red again, but it’s just to demonstrate a point.
 

To heavy: I’ve played one game with you before this one, and in it you failed to understand the difference between your feelings and a read.  In this one what I have is that you’re dead set on spending mylo trying to lynch me who I know is town.  In the process of it you’re crossing yourself up half the time, like in this very post where apparently my meta doesn’t matter (because you just got shut down, you tried it) and your short-lived to nonexistent meta apparently does.  Thank goodness Zander who’s not in this game could verify it, right?  I don’t know that, I don’t know you, and I don’t have to give you an inch.  Which I won’t, you already screwed this up.  
 

 

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

I’ll throw out some observations about possible Mafia existing outside of the core - nothing personal here, just how things are: 

 

Tigs did another flyby last night, casing only two people and then ghosting

 

dice has offered very little game content

 

Darthe showed up after being voted for, which is null for him. He engaged a good bit, which is null for him. He said he was locking in to beast mode, which is null for him. Imo, he hasn’t said anything that moved the game forward 
 

SD has been 90% spam and what little game related content there has been has not, imo, moved the game forward

 

Heavy started as emo and then did a 180 to provide game-related observations 

 

That’s as flat as I know how to be. It is what it is

TIL resolving a slot doesn’t push the game forward.  Why are you so doggedly ignoring the heavy discussions?  This is getting skeevy.  If you guys are determined to lose this game, I don’t know what to do about it.

[DPR]

If my current core holds, my most likely for wolves: 

 

1. Darthe

2. Tigs

3. dice

4. SD

5. Heavy

I will also be instituting Non-Emo measures into my game. Nobody needs to be put through any more of this nonsense

[DPR]

4 minutes ago, Darthe said:

This is yet another strong post by Turin, not getting what Wes is still supposed to show me here but then, that aligns with what Turin said above.  
 

Turin irt your comments on me I frankly don’t care what you like, I’m not gonna sit back and watch us lose this thing and, as you should well know, interaction is the king of all kings in mafia.  Heavy screwed up, overplayed their hand on those pushes.  You may not know I’m town but I do, and that’s a wolf.  Supersedes anything else I have.  Always will.

This post says “I think you’re bad because you look bad and baddies look bad but maybe you’re not bad but bad guys are bad so I dunno but good guys do this too but you’re bad for it”.  Utterly useless crap-flinging.  There’s nothing to respond to, it’s just a prayer that if we say bad things about someone enough times people will believe em.  It’s as if im talking crazy pills that someone actively misrepping me from one page ago isn’t drawing heat for this.  Did anyone else read this post?  Every item in red is  phrased to be negatively persuasive like heavy enrolled in the Donald Trump school of mafia.   If you read nothing else about my post every player should read the Orange.

 

A couple things worth pulling out of here.  I love how 90% I’m voting SD got turned into you said youre 90% not voting me.  These last two posts together, while I’m being accused of desperation, clearly display that heavy hates the sus pulled.  The reaction is so natural, double down when you don’t know how to back out.  Fling what you can at the other person.

 

I’m also fascinated in how anyone justifies a townie mindset in “x doesn’t explain y” five times over where the townie never asks the corresponding questions.  Y’all starting to see it yet?

 

Further, the rest of this post is meant to dismiss my case, but my case isn’t built around meta.  If anyones too lazy to go back a page or two, I pinged heavy at the start of this over a meta thing, but my arguments now regard how inauthentically and voraciously they’re rebuffing those and spinning them.  A coached player struggles in real-time interactions, and that’s my in.  And it’s working. I could go highlight in red again, but it’s just to demonstrate a point.
 

To heavy: I’ve played one game with you before this one, and in it you failed to understand the difference between your feelings and a read.  In this one what I have is that you’re dead set on spending mylo trying to lynch me who I know is town.  In the process of it you’re crossing yourself up half the time, like in this very post where apparently my meta doesn’t matter (because you just got shut down, you tried it) and your short-lived to nonexistent meta apparently does.  Thank goodness Zander who’s not in this game could verify it, right?  I don’t know that, I don’t know you, and I don’t have to give you an inch.  Which I won’t, you already screwed this up.  
 

 

TIL resolving a slot doesn’t push the game forward.  Why are you so doggedly ignoring the heavy discussions?  This is getting skeevy.  If you guys are determined to lose this game, I don’t know what to do about it.

This post is terrible lol

[Darthe]

1 hour ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

But wait, we get taken out of the pool by saying we have a town role? Doesn't that seem a little easy?

 

I mean, I get we are desperate, but what stops a wolf catching heat claiming to clear the train building on them? If the Vig shoots true tonight that could save the game... but I guess I can see what you are saying - last game I think has just scarred me in regards to claims.

 

19 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

In that quote SD also defends me and also brings up DPR asking for info but not giving any. Hard to see this as any more than WIFOM instead of a connection. 

^ these came from the same person

[DPR]

We’re waiting on @Tigraine and @SinisterDeath to see if they are going to counter claim ed’s Vig claim

 

Then we are waiting on @Turin Turambar to add thoughts and hopefully details to his role? claim

 

Then I’ll give details on my role and we’ll be able to move forward with something closer to information as opposed to the flaming dumpster fire that we’ve been living in

[Darthe]

6 minutes ago, DPR said:

This post is terrible lol

Gotcha, this is all disingenuous.

 

heavy/wes are linked. 

[Darthe]

10 minutes ago, DPR said:

If my current core holds, my most likely for wolves: 

 

1. Darthe

2. Tigs

3. dice

4. SD

5. Heavy

I will also be instituting Non-Emo measures into my game. Nobody needs to be put through any more of this nonsense

Or is tigs a wolf and it’s you tigs and sd?  That’s interesting placement.  I’m here for one afternoon and suddenly I’m town core to wolf with no explanation, and the inactives are your second and third.  

[Darthe]

Players:

1. @HeavyHalfMoonBlade

2. Tephulis - Vanilla Townie - Killed N1

3. @DPR

4. @Darthe

5. Peacesells - Vanilla Townie - Lynched D1
6.@Tigraine

7. @Turin Turambar

8. Gabriel Kross - Camp Cop - Killed N1

9. @ed2funy

10. @dicetosser1

11. @SinisterDeath

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Darthe said:

Gotcha, this is all disingenuous.

 

heavy/wes are linked. 

We have a viable plan to move the town forward. Why don’t you put Turin’s tinfoil glasses down and jump in for the win? 

[Darthe]

Ed’s gotta be telling the truth, no way a wolf throws that out for no reason on this day and invites their own shot.  Dunno why the best mod in DM history is debating that.

[Darthe]

Just now, DPR said:

We have a viable plan to move the town forward. Why don’t you put Turin’s tinfoil glasses down and jump in for the win? 

Did you just go from calling me your top lynch to asking me to work with you in one post?

 

vote dpr

[Darthe]

God that’s worse, he acknowledged I’m town there.  I’ve never seen you make a mistake like that Wes.

[DPR]

Just now, Darthe said:

Ed’s gotta be telling the truth, no way a wolf throws that out for no reason on this day and invites their own shot.  Dunno why the best mod in DM history is debating that.

Im not debating it - I’ve built my entire view on that being the case. 
 

But it’s always good to be certain, no? So, I figure we give Tigs, SD and Turin a little more time to flesh things out

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Darthe said:

Did you just go from calling me your top lynch to asking me to work with you in one post?

 

vote dpr

Oh My God U Suck

[DPR]

2 minutes ago, Darthe said:

God that’s worse, he acknowledged I’m town there.  I’ve never seen you make a mistake like that Wes.

No, I have you at the top of my Mafia list. Bit of a difference there

 

But since you’re sooo town, prove it. Do something that makes people want to believe you. 
 

 

[Darthe]

1 minute ago, DPR said:

Oh My God U Suck

Omgus saved for a whole RL day later?  What, was I looking to split up my own town core proposal and undermine my own reads I started the day with?  
 

Failure to have a real argument.  

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Official Vote Count

 

Darthe (2) - DPR, Heavy

DPR (2) - Turin, Darthe

SD (1) - Dice

 

Not Voting (3): Tig, Eddie, SD

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

 

Day 2 Deadline

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Deadline is in 7 hours. 

 

Yes, that is 10 minutes past the hour.  I did exactly 48 hours from when I posted it.  I'll make it on the hour next time.

[Darthe]

1 minute ago, DPR said:

No, I have you at the top of my Mafia list. Bit of a difference there

 

But since you’re sooo town, prove it. Do something that makes people want to believe you. 
 

 

I don’t give a fig if people *want* to believe me.  Aggro town is still town even if someone dislikes it.

 

None of which is the point.  You just went from “Darthe is my top wolf” to “Darthe join us for the win“.  You’re aware I’m town.  

[DPR]

Just now, Darthe said:

Omgus saved for a whole RL day later?  What, was I looking to split up my own town core proposal and undermine my own reads I started the day with?  
 

Failure to have a real argument.  

All you’ve done in the past 24 hours is posit “why would I do that as Mafia” and serve up WIFOM takes that go nowhere. 
 

Again, Town!Darthe would be supporting or poking holes in my plan. 
 

Im playing as straightforward as possible while you’re dancing around like a mischievous WIFOM troll - honestly I don’t even know what to make of it other than you’re just making junk posts for skimmers to hit on like clickbait. 

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Darthe said:

I don’t give a fig if people *want* to believe me.  Aggro town is still town even if someone dislikes it.

 

None of which is the point.  You just went from “Darthe is my top wolf” to “Darthe join us for the win“.  You’re aware I’m town.  

You had me at “None of this is the point.”

 

And I’m aware of sarcasm. Pretty sure folks know that about me lol

[DPR]

So what do you think of the plan you’re doing everything in your power to not address lol

[Darthe]

Town!Darthe thinks town!Wes would try and find a nontown! Player for town! To lynch.  
 

Maybe approaching the game like the oracle from the matrix isn’t the strongest look boo. I got down in the mud to duke it out.  You want me to think you’re town, then fight.  My job is to turn these stones over.