Comparing Wheel of Time to other fantasy adaptations

[ArrylT]

  On 11/28/2021 at 6:14 PM, DaddyFinn said:

The Drizzt books? I've read 4-5 different trilogies/series of that. I found some "read in this order" list in internet and went with that. 

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That is part of the world indeed - I cannot remember how early on Drizzt was introduced as a character in FR by RA Salvatore but he's definitely a classic.   But yeah Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms have gotten so large it is hard at times to know the extent of the world.   At their very base they are/were meant to be supplements to D&D but have basically become their own thing (imo).   

 

I do not think we'll ever see an actual series or movie from those 2 worlds but who knows.   And it would likely either need to be set around Drizzt or Elminster or maybe Alias.

 

Best I could compare it to was if they took the Seanchen or Jain Fastrider or Brigette and started making spin off novel series which then exploded in popularity.  

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[CaddySedai]

  On 11/28/2021 at 6:08 PM, ArrylT said:

 

Maybe @CaddySedai  can form that after her WOT mobile game makes her even richer.  ?

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If I become rich from my mobile game...you can have another mobile game. I know where the money's at ?

[Harad the White]

  On 11/28/2021 at 6:22 PM, CaddySedai said:

If I become rich from my mobile game

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Sharing is caring.

 

BTW, I posted earlier about The Outpost. Anybody see/like that?

[Gothic Flame]

  On 11/28/2021 at 6:14 PM, DaddyFinn said:

The Drizzt books? I've read 4-5 different trilogies/series of that. I found some "read in this order" list in internet and went with that. 

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Drizzt was introduced in "The Crystal Shard" and add a feisty dwarf with a wide sense of kindness and mercy it was fun to read. (Dwarves would finally receive the respect they deserve deserve) 

But somewhere down the line they became somewhat tiresome. Before TSR got bought out I always had the impression that the writers were having as much fun as readers were with their material. But that sense of fun git lost later. 

[Gothic Flame]

  On 11/28/2021 at 6:22 PM, ArrylT said:

I do not think we'll ever see an actual series or movie from those 2 worlds but who knows.   And it would likely either need to be set around Drizzt or Elminster or maybe Alias.

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Drizzt and Elminster have their own thing going and the writers filled in all the blank spots and would be easy enough to connect the dots.

 

But Alias...there are layers that should have been built on. And with a saurial paladin and a halfling bard along for the ride a good writer could make an epic I should think.

[Guire]

  On 11/28/2021 at 6:29 PM, Harad the White said:

Sharing is caring.

 

BTW, I posted earlier about The Outpost. Anybody see/like that?

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I saw first 2 seasons but haven't finished it.  I thought it was pretty well done for show on an obvious budget.  I will probably go back and rewatch through end since you said it got much better at end.

[Harad the White]

  On 11/28/2021 at 7:08 PM, Guire said:

I will probably go back and rewatch through end since you said it got much better at end.

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Not sure what to say. I considered it background watching in the middle seasons, but it did end nicely. Maybe in the off-WoT season. ?

[Guire]

  On 11/28/2021 at 7:11 PM, Harad the White said:

Not sure what to say. I considered it background watching in the middle seasons, but it did end nicely. Maybe in the off-WoT season. ?

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I have extra full time job on weekends.  I have to be alert and paying attention to computer but have lots of dead time for background watching.  That's when I first watched The Outpost.  I am hoping WoT prime gets good enough to just have it constantly running in background. 

[Morani]

  On 11/28/2021 at 5:49 AM, ArrylT said:

 

My favorite book of them all 

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A Horse and his boy

 

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Omg I am not alone! 

[Scarloc99]

  On 11/27/2021 at 8:54 PM, king of nowhere said:

i didn't watch GoT so I cannot judge fairly - but I think critics were heavily criticizing it too, mostlty because of all the gratuitous sex?

 

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I do love that readers seem to have forgotten that the WOT has the potential to include lots of gratuitous sex as well, I mean our great hero has a poly sexual relationship with 3 women, Matt sleeps with a women in every city and I wonder how they will present the famous “rape” scene, remember the controversy Bridgerton caused with a very similar scene.  Forsaken use Compulsion to maintain permenant orgies of sexual decadence. Faile gets Perrin to be “manly with her and take her” a scene that, I played out the way I always pictured it will very much cause consternation among some circles. And nakedness is accepted amongst various groups of the people of WOT
 

If any of the above is censored then I am sorry that will be far far worse, because it all plays an important part of the story that Robert Jordan told 

[SinisterDeath]

  On 11/28/2021 at 6:22 PM, ArrylT said:

 

That is part of the world indeed - I cannot remember how early on Drizzt was introduced as a character in FR by RA Salvatore but he's definitely a classic.   But yeah Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms have gotten so large it is hard at times to know the extent of the world.   At their very base they are/were meant to be supplements to D&D but have basically become their own thing (imo).   

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*Cracks Knuckles*

Interesting thing about the Drizzt/Elminster/FR books is that Wizards of the Coast stated that the novels are not cannon to D&D's forgotten realms. (Nor are the D&D books cannon in the Forgotten Realms fantasy novels)
 

Ironically this put WoTC in hot water because of certain verbiage they choose to use within the D&D 5e's Monster Manual, Volos Guide to Monsters.

The TLDR of it is, Salvatore's books do a better job of explaining the nuances of evil and how Drow aren't inherently evil because they are drow, while the D&D books are more black and white on the matter... But you know, Wizards of the Coast does what Wizards of the coast does best, they shoot themselves in their own foot, promise to make changes and then shoot themselves in the foot again.

 

 

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I do not think we'll ever see an actual series or movie from those 2 worlds but who knows.   And it would likely either need to be set around Drizzt or Elminster or maybe Alias.

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There is a new D&D movie in the works, we know almost absolutely nothing about it... But there are rumors it will take place in the Forgotten Realms. I doubt we'll see characters like Drizzt or Elminster, but we did just have the year of Drizzt with the new video game "Dungeons and Dragons Dark Alliance"

 

  On 11/28/2021 at 6:30 PM, Gothic Flame said:

Drizzt was introduced in "The Crystal Shard" and add a feisty dwarf with a wide sense of kindness and mercy it was fun to read. (Dwarves would finally receive the respect they deserve deserve) 

But somewhere down the line they became somewhat tiresome. Before TSR got bought out I always had the impression that the writers were having as much fun as readers were with their material. But that sense of fun git lost later. 

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The last two or three trilogies were some of the best work R.A Salvatore has crafted. Starlight Enclave is just

 

 

[Scarloc99]

  On 11/28/2021 at 3:55 AM, Harad the White said:

Here's one we may never see: Thomas Covenant, The Unbeliever, by Stephan R. Donaldson.

 

These are a very dark, interesting trilogy of trilogies, with the last trilogy containing 4 books. The total of 13 books, all reasonably tome-ish beats RJ, but loses to the RJ/BS collaboration.

 

The "hero" is the face you see, when you look up anti-hero in the dictionary. The worlds are amazing, with incredibly inventive rules and inhabitants. WoT proves that it's possible to start (let's see the finish) such an ambitious task with the CGI advances and the billionaire money available now. But the tone of Thomas Covenant, may put off the money people, until all hope is lost.

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To my mind the best fantasy series written especially the first trilogy which has a defined end. But yes I don’t see it ever being made. 

[Harad the White]

  On 11/28/2021 at 10:33 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

especially the first trilogy

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I lean toward the second trilogy, but sadly I agree that it will be hard to find some entity with the vision to adapt it.

[king of nowhere]

  On 11/28/2021 at 9:06 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

If any of the above is censored then I am sorry that will be far far worse, because it all plays an important part of the story that Robert Jordan told 

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well... no. not really. you can remove the forsaken orgies and the tylin accident and the story woulnd't change a iota. you could have the aiel take saunas sweat tents in separated tents for different genders and, again, nothing would change.

 

mind you, i'm not hoping they do that. they can leave it in the story or change it, just saying it makes no difference.

and there's a vast difference between "having sex into the story" and "slapping sexual content in your face to try hooking up spectators". they can do it tactfully, like they did the bath scene they inserted in the first episode.

Sometimes I want to watch some naked women, in which case I go to pornhub. And sometimes I want a story, and then I go to primevideo. I would not want to mix them up. Just the same way as I like pizza, I like chocolate, but I would never want to put chocolate on pizza.

[Scarloc99]

  On 11/28/2021 at 5:15 AM, CaddySedai said:

 

Speaking of. As far as adaptations go these were...horrid.

 

I loved the books - recently having reread them. I have no idea how they got so deep into them film wise with how just...terrible they got lol.

 

Then again Home Alone did have serveral movies - a TV series with none of the original cast and...French Stewart. And a reboot. So...perhaps I should not be surprised ?

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The BBC did a tv series of these which was amazing for the era and budget, far better then the movies and worth checking out. 

[Scarloc99]

  On 11/28/2021 at 9:28 PM, SinisterDeath said:

*Cracks Knuckles*

Interesting thing about the Drizzt/Elminster/FR books is that Wizards of the Coast stated that the novels are not cannon to D&D's forgotten realms. (Nor are the D&D books cannon in the Forgotten Realms fantasy novels)
 

Ironically this put WoTC in hot water because of certain verbiage they choose to use within the D&D 5e's Monster Manual, Volos Guide to Monsters.

The TLDR of it is, Salvatore's books do a better job of explaining the nuances of evil and how Drow aren't inherently evil because they are drow, while the D&D books are more black and white on the matter... But you know, Wizards of the Coast does what Wizards of the coast does best, they shoot themselves in their own foot, promise to make changes and then shoot themselves in the foot again.

 

 

There is a new D&D movie in the works, we know almost absolutely nothing about it... But there are rumors it will take place in the Forgotten Realms. I doubt we'll see characters like Drizzt or Elminster, but we did just have the year of Drizzt with the new video game "Dungeons and Dragons Dark Alliance"

 

The last two or three trilogies were some of the best work R.A Salvatore has crafted. Starlight Enclave is just

 

 

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As a DM Drizzit does my head in ? yet to run a table without someone suggesting they play a Drow who is “good” lol. 

[SinisterDeath]

  On 11/28/2021 at 11:56 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

As a DM Drizzit does my head in ? yet to run a table without someone suggesting they play a Drow who is “good” lol. 

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Good news, they're adding two new subraces for drow! Both non Llothian.

 

We have no idea when they'll actually publish that book.

They're probably waiting for RAS to finish his latest trilogy so they can pillage his ideas while saying the books aren't cannon. ?

 

Even then, it's up to the DM to slllow new subraces/classes/backgrounds...

[Harad the White]

Not fantasy, but SF. 

Foundation by Isaac Asimov. I don't have Hulu? so haven't seen it. Any viewers or reviews?

[SinisterDeath]

  On 11/29/2021 at 12:06 AM, Harad the White said:

Not fantasy, but SF. 

Foundation by Isaac Asimov. I don't have Hulu? so haven't seen it. Any viewers or reviews?

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Soon I'll be doing a free trial of Apple TV just to binge that, I just haven't gotten around to it.

 

I 100% expect that to be a very loose adaptation, precisely because Asimov didn't write that book to be a good TV show. It was a very macro story with little dialogue that works on tv. (Not after ~70 years with outdated scifi lingo)

[Gothic Flame]

  On 11/28/2021 at 9:06 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

I mean our great hero has a poly sexual relationship with 3 women,

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I thought I read that Rafe won't be having that...

 

[SinisterDeath]

  On 11/29/2021 at 12:57 AM, Gothic Flame said:

I thought I read that Rafe won't be having that...

 

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I believe he said it won't be a Polygamy relationship but a polyamorous relationship which means different things.

Dragon Lance, is there a good start point on those, or 100% read in order?

[JenniferL]

Start with Dragons of Autumn Twilight. If you like it, the two sequels are good. I did a reread to prep for DragonCon a few years ago and I was surprised at how well it held up. There’s a few bits that haven’t aged well, but overall the Suck Fairy has stayed away. 

[Gothic Flame]

Ya... Autumn Twilight is a good fun introduction to a large cast full of dragons, wizards, warriors...

That 2nd book... I remember reading a passage that had me laughing so hard I thought I hurt myself.

[bringbackthomsmoustache]

In relation to the Thomas Covenant, The Unbeliever, books it is worth pointing out the parallels between this and WoT (in main arc, not charaterisations) - both worlds recovering from a cataclysm thousands of years ago caused by a failed / despairing leader, both with prophesies expecting a savior who may save or damn, both with magic users constrained by an oath following that cataclysm (oath of peace vs 3 oaths), and both with an ultimate evil with similar aims and constraints.

Also both with friendly giants who are not hasty.

 

The much shorter "mordants need" 2 book series by Donaldson would be more likely to survive adaption (with significant changes to make the female protagonist less passive initially).

 

The gap series was very good (although the author is explicit that the arc is a re-telling of Wagners ring cycle) - I particularly like the quote from the spokesman of the Amnion "I have been invested with decisiveness".

[Scarloc99]

  On 11/29/2021 at 1:15 AM, SinisterDeath said:

I believe he said it won't be a Polygamy relationship but a polyamorous relationship which means different things.
 

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There are hints at this in the book, in particular between Elayne and Av, I think Rafe may have those 2 and rand as more of a thruple and min and rand then distinct from that. Which I have no issue with.