You're In Good Hands: The Beau Tomteer Law Firm Mafia GAME THREAD

[Andrej]

8 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Your talking like your not the one to have lynched 2 townies in a row, and avoided being on the only wolf lynch. At least Nyn was actually on a wolf lynch

 

If anything my vote on Hallia makes the least sense as her partner when you consider Nyn who voted yes (bus potential) and Kat who abstained (Weekend MIA but also convenient not to vote in that position)

 

its easy to be on the right side of results when you have the answers beforehand.

[Lenlo]

If you link it and I read up on it, it will probably come back to me.

[Andrej]

16 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Hope it was a good trip buddy. Anniversaries are important

 

Also thanks. It was pretty cool, I’d never been to NYC before so that was fun.

 

Freezing though.

[Lenlo]

Just now, Andrej said:

 

If anything my vote on Hallia makes the least sense as her partner when you consider Nyn who voted yes (bus potential) and Kat who abstained (Weekend MIA but also convenient not to vote in that position)

 

its easy to be on the right side of results when you have the answers beforehand.

So its ok to say Nyn bussed there, but not ok to say you just didn't want a teammate lynched?

 

So tell me AJ, whose your go to today besides me? You came in all hot an bothered about this. Ready to defend yourself. So whats your alternative?

[Andrej]

2 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

If you link it and I read up on it, it will probably come back to me.

 

Eh, we got kinda ugly at the end. Which is why I’m surprised you don’t remember it and also not sure how I should really proceed from here. You’ve definitely pulled this sort of thing before as scum.

[Andrej]

Just now, Lenlo said:

So its ok to say Nyn bussed there, but not ok to say you just didn't want a teammate lynched?

 

So tell me AJ, whose your go to today besides me? You came in all hot an bothered about this. Ready to defend yourself. So whats your alternative?

 

Not what I’m saying. I just think you aren’t considering all angles, whether purposefully or not. If you’re Town then I need to get you to reconsider, if you are scum then I just need to highlight how you are shading things.

 

I want to lynch Nyn today. It’s been far too long that she’s been allowed to float. Dice should’ve done it yesterday.

[Lenlo]

Just now, Andrej said:

 

Eh, we got kinda ugly at the end. Which is why I’m surprised you don’t remember it and also not sure how I should really proceed from here. You’ve definitely pulled this sort of thing before as scum.

Ive said it before this game, it would be easier to find things I havnt tried as wolf.

 

And meh, what happens in game stays in game. I try to remember the epic moments, like that one game I think it was Hallia got like 4-5 doc saves in a row. Not the low-AtE tactics I sometimes use as a wolf

[Andrej]

Vote AJ

 

Accuse Nyn

[Lenlo]

Im not giving you accuser, but I am willing to consider Nyn.

[Andrej]

3 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Im not giving you accuser, but I am willing to consider Nyn.

 

You don’t wanna have to shoot me after or what? ?

[Lenlo]

Just now, Andrej said:

 

You don’t wanna have to shoot me after or what? ?

I don't trust you to follow through with accusing Nyn and I have no guarantee people won't go with whatever you decide.

[Lenlo]

See, you referenced me in that tournament game, and now that I am reading it, you were far more emotional as town that game. You dug in a looooot harder. And in that exact game actually, I got fire for letting you decide what we talk about instead of pushing you.

 

Its a weird inverse of this situation. So I feel even more comfortable now.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Lenlo (1) - Leno

Cass (1) - Cass

AJ (1) - AJ

 

Not Voting (6) - AJ, Darc, Illian, Kat Nyn, Cass

 

Deadline Dec 14th @ 12 PMPM EST

 

[Andrej]

8 hours ago, Lenlo said:

See, you referenced me in that tournament game, and now that I am reading it, you were far more emotional as town that game. You dug in a looooot harder. And in that exact game actually, I got fire for letting you decide what we talk about instead of pushing you.

 

Its a weird inverse of this situation. So I feel even more comfortable now.

 

?

 

I was also 100% sure you were scum and spent the better part of a week arguing with you and your two active teammates with only BFG in my corner because Verb/LZM couldn’t be bothered to give a damn.

 

but sure, whatever helps your position.

[Lenlo]

1 hour ago, Andrej said:

 

?

 

I was also 100% sure you were scum and spent the better part of a week arguing with you and your two active teammates with only BFG in my corner because Verb/LZM couldn’t be bothered to give a damn.

 

but sure, whatever helps your position.

1) "Active Teammates" lol, were not rehashing this from a year ago but for most of that game I was the only active person on the wolf team.

 

2) Wow, its as if I am 100% you are scum and have spent the last week arguing this in here, while a good portion of the town is inactive/not posting.

 

Yeah. Still seeing parallels.

[Andrej]

R2 & R3 Ben and Aquilla were most definitely active. There’s a reason the final vote was 3/2 in your favor. R1 I’ll give you that.

 

On a different note, where tf is everybody?

 

[Illian Tear]

School most of the time.

[Andrej]

4 hours ago, Illian Tear said:

School most of the time.

 

Cool. So who do you think is scum and why?

[Andrej]

Also @Lenlo since you’re the only one playing rn, who is my partner?

[Lenlo]

5 minutes ago, Andrej said:

Also @Lenlo since you’re the only one playing rn, who is my partner?

Going purely by my PoE, I wanna say Kat. You've poked her abit about her activity but you've never really gone at her in any meaningful way from what I remember. 

 

Originally I would have said Nyn, but your pushin her today.

 

So AJ since we are the only ones here I have a proposition for you.

 

Today is L-2. If you can trust me, I will accuse Nyn today for you. She flips wolf, you and me go into D4 allies against the last remaining wolf. I accuse you, everyone probably says no and I out myself. She flips town, if I am still alive I scream your lynch to the high heavens cause its L-1 and screw it.

 

Now you may ask why I don't just trust you with the accuse. Its simple. If you accuse me and I get lynched, there will be no one to really fight you tomorrow. We both know that if it came down to it, people would vote to lynch me on accuse. So I don't trust you with that because getting rid of me would very easily remove your problem.

[Lenlo]

So tl;dr, I am willing to accuse Nyn for you and let the push be all your credit, since no one else is really pushing anything today.

[Lenlo]

Sorry, D5, I am losing count.

[Andrej]

?

 

ngl I’m tempted but it also feels like a setup.

 

you go from 100% sure I’m scum to wanting to make deals with me, so I don’t really know how to take that.

[Cass]

Sorry all, the rest of last night's shift rekt me - went straight to bed and today has been hectic.

 

FWiW entire KAT ISO - yw

 

--- D1 ---

 

On 11/29/2018 at 1:40 AM, Katiora said:

lololololol

 

On 11/29/2018 at 1:49 AM, Clovdyx said:

First.

On 11/29/2018 at 1:53 AM, Katiora said:

Was not

 

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 3:03 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

First of all, I was prepared.to post minutes before Kat but cory was slow opening.

 

Second. Kat is from the south and therefore does not count as a person

On 11/29/2018 at 3:05 AM, Katiora said:

That was mean You hurt my heart ?

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 3:07 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

Roll tide.

On 11/29/2018 at 3:08 AM, Clovdyx said:

Kat pls

 

You know you're my favorite bamaer

On 11/29/2018 at 3:09 AM, Katiora said:

❤️❤️❤️❤️ 

 

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 5:29 AM, Andrej said:

I doubt most people in the US could even correctly label a US map, so you’re on par with the rest of us dummies Darc. No sweat

On 11/29/2018 at 6:36 AM, Katiora said:

I could...  though I would probably get Colorado and Wyoming wrong. I never have been able to get them right. But the rest I think I could do. 

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 6:37 AM, Katiora said:

Vote: Cory

 

 

I'm pretty positive that he can get the right person *nods* 

 

-MQ-

On 11/29/2018 at 10:06 AM, Clovdyx said:

As a reminder, we have the option to vote someone we think is town but will mess up the accusation anyway, so that we can make fun of them.

 

I trust you all to do the right thing and join me in this.

 

On 11/30/2018 at 2:26 AM, Katiora said:

 

Please don't vote me. You know I suck at building cases. like... bad. 

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 10:09 AM, DontTrustThePenguins said:

Naaah everyone can trust me.

 

I'm fluffy here :3

lol

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Yeah... I don't trust you ? but nice to play with you again

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 9:36 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

I've played with everyone on the roster.  As far as I can tell, I'm the only one who can say that (not sure if AJ has ever played with Darci).  

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I think I've played with everyone but Darc. 

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 1:13 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

 

Damn right I didn't.

EDIT: Aaaaaaand realized this is the game thread.  Apologies your honor.  I'll see myself out. 

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lololololol

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 1:52 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

The south will rise again.

And we'll point and call them names again.

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 Chris is so silly.... and ya'll already call us names so *shrugs* 

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 2:05 PM, Clovdyx said:

There's nobody I feel strongly about yet, but if I wanted to go ballet, I'd say stripped, AJ? And cass are all town.  In that order.

 

Only Cass is for stupid reasons.  I feel this is progress for me.

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Ya'll calling AJ town is super weirding me out. 

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 3:06 PM, DontTrustThePenguins said:

What are people's reasons for town reading AJ?

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Yes this... Ya'll are making me nervous because I mean really... AJ is an awesome scummer... 

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 4:38 PM, Cass said:

 

^

 

QFT, hoping the difference is because Town, and not because Team.

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My thoughts on AJ exactly

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 5:15 PM, Cass said:

 

Grinned and would sheep ?

 

Talk to me about some of the players we can actually vote or lynch today, Kat? 

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Honestly IDK. You know I'm no good at this D1 stuff.  I want to trust Chris but... EHHHHH As far as lynching. I really don't know. I DON'T want to lynch Chris or probably AJ at this point. But i'm not sure I trust them enough to put the lynch in their hands either. But I also think that they would probably be a good choice IF they are town. I'm just not sure. There's not enough info to go on

 

On 11/29/2018 at 8:27 PM, Nynaeve said:

And AJ hasnt done anything out of his scum range. So I'm pretty null on him atp. Someone asked about it somewhere.

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I'm with Nyn here

 

On 11/29/2018 at 9:32 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

If it's a liner it's kat. If it's a wot it's cass.  ?

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I don't get it... <.<    >.> 

 

--/End MQ--

 

 

On 11/30/2018 at 2:27 AM, Andrej said:

 

Scum!Dice tone wise is like a dude with a sore tooth. He’s just way more edgy and grumpy 

On 11/30/2018 at 2:29 AM, Katiora said:

lol honestly I think that's just his personality all the time.... 

On 11/30/2018 at 2:42 AM, Andrej said:

 

Lol that’s just him being extremely Aussie 

On 11/30/2018 at 3:35 AM, Katiora said:

You are very likely right ?

 

 

 

On 11/30/2018 at 3:16 AM, Clovdyx said:

vote Katiora

 

Really. 

 

On 11/30/2018 at 3:33 AM, Katiora said:

 

I hate you

 

On 11/30/2018 at 3:36 AM, Katiora said:

 

Only vote me if you want me to fail miserably because I suck at D1 And clov knows it. Evil man. 

 

On 11/30/2018 at 5:48 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

I actually would love you to get a couple more votes

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On 11/30/2018 at 6:04 AM, Katiora said:

That's because you hate me back

 

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On 11/30/2018 at 7:09 AM, Clovdyx said:

No.  It's because I like you, and I like doing well.  If I hated you, I'd just get you lynched for the fun of it and not worry that you might be town.

 

On 11/30/2018 at 7:10 AM, Katiora said:

.... this makes Cory's interactions with me make so much more sense.... lol 

 

 

 

On 11/30/2018 at 3:36 AM, TrippedOnReality said:

I have no idea how I feel about seph suddenly being okay with me after not liking me comment about seph not being likely teamed with Darc and Darthe.   I do like the thoughts they are sharing currently much more than yesterday.   So that’s something. 

 

I will say I had a similar thought/concern about Dice posting a reads list. I don’t remember Dice posting a reads list in the games we played.  Maybe someone else can weigh in on that. 

 

I also thought that there are too many people wanting to read Chris town. I mean, I get it. I just don’t think he’s said anything that’s remotely alignment indicative.  Then again, I can’t read Chris on anything he says necessarily; it’s more about action. 

On 11/30/2018 at 3:38 AM, Katiora said:

Honestly I always WANT to read Chris town... and AJ for that matter. They're awesome townies... when they're town lol I do always constantly tinfoil on them though. For example. I've had hardcore tinfoil that the reason that AJ is so happy this game is because he's scummates with Clov. That scares the crap out of me lol 

 

 

 

On 11/30/2018 at 6:04 AM, Andrej said:

 

@Katiora if you got handed the FOS stick who would you put up?

On 11/30/2018 at 6:04 AM, Andrej said:

Tripped same question.

 

On 11/30/2018 at 6:38 AM, Katiora said:

 

 

I don't know. Honestly I would probably look at general consensus to decide at this point. 

 

On 11/30/2018 at 6:46 AM, seph said:

But if you had to pick someone?

 

 

On 11/30/2018 at 8:10 AM, Clovdyx said:

Tee off on Hallia/Nyn/Darthe/Lenlo/Bwn?  

 

On 11/30/2018 at 8:11 AM, Katiora said:

... Who is bwn?? >.> 

On 11/30/2018 at 8:26 AM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Penguin

On 11/30/2018 at 8:27 AM, Katiora said:

Ahhhhh thanks. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 11/30/2018 at 10:47 PM, Clovdyx said:

@Cass I dont feel good answering why Kat is the most +EV person to vote right now right now (as in...dont want to currently explain why... she is the best person to move votes on in the present time)

 

If I'm alive in three days and it's not abundantly clear yet, someone ask me then.

 

On 12/1/2018 at 3:26 AM, Katiora said:

 

I hate you. Don't vote me!!! It's almost weekend lol Though I will have a laptop and internet at my house this weekend so there is a slight possibility of getting on more.  I have absolutely no idea who to choose to accuse and I will not be able to build any kind of case on anyone. I'm not being modest. I suck at D1. I appreciate the vote of confidence that I'm not wolf chris, but unless you want to tell me who to accuse and build a case on them I'm not going to be a good choice for accuser. 

 

 

Man have you ever seen someone try to build a case on why they can't be trusted as the person who can't be lynched?? lol

 

On 12/1/2018 at 3:31 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

Am i town though?

 

On 12/1/2018 at 3:54 AM, Katiora said:

See that's the problem... I don't know You weren't my peek... if you had been this would be a much easier game... *sighs* 

 

On 12/1/2018 at 5:23 AM, Cass said:

 

This is a different sort of D1 though.

 

On 12/1/2018 at 5:25 AM, Katiora said:

but there's still no extra info to really get you going.... I need more info

 

 

 

 

On 12/1/2018 at 6:39 AM, Hallia said:

I didn't see him only want to push aj

 

Also,  I'm a trash read darc?   Harsh. 

 

Thanks I guess,  I'm playing at work now,  I'll try to keep up,  even if I'm garbage 

On 12/1/2018 at 6:54 AM, Katiora said:

You're not garbage Halleesi... That would be me... ❤️ You're awesome!!! 

 

On 12/1/2018 at 7:20 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

Speaking of, I would love to know where your head is right now.

 

On 12/1/2018 at 7:22 AM, Katiora said:

At work wondering how I got signed up for this game  Give me a few and I'll try to shake up a crappy reads list... or at least a I don't really want to lynch these people list. 

 

On 12/1/2018 at 7:50 AM, Katiora said:

As of right now I don't want to lynch you or AJ... Or at this point probably Nyn and Hallia. If all of you are alive tomorrow it will make me EXTREMELY nervous.  I fully expect one of you to die tonight. 

 

 

As for the rest I'm just not sure. Miraculously I'm fairly sure that Darthe is town. What's the odds

 

 

Cass I have liked this game so far. I would be ok with her being the accuser for Night one. 

 

The rest of everyone I feel pretty blah about. Tripped would be trending up. 

 

I just had to go look at everyone else to see who else was in the game. ehh I could possibly be talked into voting anyone not mentioned in this post. Could probably be talked out of it too if they argued hard enough. 

 

 

On 12/1/2018 at 7:50 AM, Katiora said:

I also got very little sleep last night so my memory is crap right now. 

 

On 12/1/2018 at 7:59 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

That's okay.  I appreciate you anyway.  ❤️ 

 

Can you talk to me about Nyn or Hallia?  Both of those seem like ~odd people for you to want to keep around, all things considered. 

 

On 12/1/2018 at 8:06 AM, Katiora said:

It's kinda like my read on you and AJ. They can both be really strong town and I think that I have played enough with them in the past to have a better read once they've been in the thread a bit more. So mostly I just feel like I will be more likely to read them than the rest so I'm less inclined to off them d1 I guess... Does that make sense? 

 

On 12/1/2018 at 8:14 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

I will double down that I think making Kat the accuser would have been not the best plan, for multiple reasons tbh.  None of which are super important or relevant to solving the same IMO.  If anybody really cares, let me know.

 

Voting for Kat is/was insanely +EV because I think Kat will respond to loud pressure in a way that is alignment indicative more than I think she will do so proactively, especially early on.  The #1 trait of Kat's towngame is constant paranoia of good players, and she seems to doubt herself a LOT.  Whenever I see her playing a game, it feels like she really has a rough go of trusting people, even when they've things that are probably pretty alignment indicative.  I'm not the least bit surprised she's refused the nomination when I brought her up - I probably would have called for her head if she DIDN'T fight with me over it.  The more people talk about her, the more I expect her to give a meaningful contribution.

 

I really have no idea what to say in terms of meta differences... she's never going to be a super loud, aggressive player early on.  I only remember her pushing someone ONE time total.  But I know she tinfoils, hesitates to give out thoughts, and more or less has to be dragged into the game when she's town.  Her reads lists are usually a whole lot of nulls and "I'd LIKE to trust you..."

 

Sound familiar?

 

On 12/1/2018 at 8:17 AM, Katiora said:

heh.... well... i'm not sure what to say about this... 

 

 

 

 

On 12/1/2018 at 8:42 AM, Clovdyx said:

If anybody else has thoughts on Hallia, lmk?  I don't have anything major on her, but a few little things kind of rubbed me the wrong way.  I don't think I've seen anybody talk about her in specifics, and I really only remember Kat saying she felt good about her.

/snip

On 12/1/2018 at 10:01 AM, Katiora said:

 

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that... I said I didn't want to lynch her today. I don't particularly feel any way about her currently. 

On 12/1/2018 at 10:06 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

[uhh... ok].gif

 

 

 

 

 

--- D2 ---

 

On 12/4/2018 at 3:04 AM, Katiora said:

Good gracious... my brain feels like it's melting. Well good job ya'll getting a wolf D1... honestly first time I've seen that in a while. i had full intentions yesterday of getting on and voting, and honestly it would have probably been a no. I got on sometime saturday and briefly read the case and rebuttal and had full intentions yesterday of actually getting on my laptop ( I was on call for work and so had a laptop and mifi to use) and ended up having my newphews and neice all day because of a family emergency and never had time to get on. I do apologize

 

 

 

Ended up my vote wouldn't have mattered anyway. Honestly I think a vote for Clov today wouldn't be too bad. I think he was suspicious enough of Hallia D1 to feel decent about. We could also do Darthe as I believe that's who it was said that Trip spewed as her N0 peek. That way we would KNOW that we had a town Accuser. I want to think that Chris is town and wouldn't have bussed THIS early in the game but I always want him to be town so I could be soooo wrong. 

 

I really want to go back and look at Hallia's interactions this game and see if I pick something up. Hopefully work will allow for this lol So hopefully I'll be back with more thoughts very soon.

 

On 12/4/2018 at 4:12 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

The more I read this, the less I'm convinced I believe you. ?

 

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On 12/4/2018 at 3:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

I've only read the newest page, but until further notice, I will fight against a darthe nomination with everything I have.  Yes, Darthe is town.  Yes, he can be a strong player.  But does he even know what's going on? Is he going to be around to accuse?

 

If he shows up and is caught up enough to make an informed decision, I have no problem making him accuser.

On 12/4/2018 at 3:24 AM, Katiora said:

 

Very valid point. 

On 12/4/2018 at 3:21 AM, Andrej said:

 

Somebody had to say it.

 

Idk what sorta magic he’s using but this is back-to-back games he’s been ~gone and the N0 villa peek.

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100% agree... I don't know that he's not bribing the people in charge...... *eyes Cory suspiciously* 

 

 

AJ what are your thoughts on Clov? 

 

On 12/4/2018 at 3:30 AM, Andrej said:

 

I think he’s a big reason why Hallia was in the discussion yesterday when she otherwise wouldn’t have been.

 

 

 

 

On 12/4/2018 at 3:31 AM, Lenlo said:

At work so slow, but my understanding is the Tripped hinted Darthe as her N0 town peek. Accusing him seems idiotic. Im with Chris. Why would you ever accuse the only confirmed town player in the game?

On 12/4/2018 at 3:32 AM, Katiora said:

Who are you talking to?? 

 

 

 

 

On 12/4/2018 at 3:33 AM, darc-star said:

 

i... dont think anybody was suggesting that?

 

remember, we vote for good people here

On 12/4/2018 at 3:34 AM, Katiora said:

lots of this.... lol 

 

 

 

 

On 12/4/2018 at 3:32 AM, darc-star said:

 

id be happy with chris atm

i know he can make a good argument, and with one good push already, i think he can be trusted

could be wrong, but i dont see him calling out his teammate near eod1

 

and you cant really say that you trust darthe to be able to create an informed argument from what hes... "provided" so far?

 

how were you going to vote, btw?

 

 

what chris said

On 12/4/2018 at 3:33 AM, Katiora said:

 

 

On 12/4/2018 at 3:34 AM, Katiora said:

Dang it it screwed up that quote when I tried to drag... the second quote was mine

On 12/4/2018 at 3:37 AM, darc-star said:

 

yea, i got it

 

was it you that explained that earlier?

if so, ignore this, but, why no?

On 12/4/2018 at 4:30 AM, Katiora said:

I don't think I explained today. I did explain towards the end of D1. Hallia is someone I've played with a lot and up to that time I didn't see anything that made ME think she was scum and she is someone I feel I get better at reading as the game progresses. She normally makes good reads and it becomes a thing where if I'm having trouble reading her after D2 I feel like she's probably scum. And with it being D1 I am generally unsure of any votes and not being able to have competing trains is throwing me off and makes me nervous to vote yes on anyone at the present. It's not abnormal for me to not vote at all D1 mostly because I just don't know who to vote lol  

 

 

 

 

On 12/4/2018 at 4:10 AM, Nynaeve said:

 

Yeah sorry about that. I blame Zander. Pretty much always.

On 12/4/2018 at 4:33 AM, Katiora said:

Blaming Zander is always a good look

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/4/2018 at 4:34 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

Updated Reads with Chris! (...I'm Chris)

 

Q: What do you think about Kat?

A: I think I might have fakepeeked a wolf.

 

On 12/4/2018 at 4:36 AM, Katiora said:

*Sighs* I'm not a wolf. Quit tinfoiling me. That's reserved for me to do. At no time does wolf me say I don't want to lynch Hallia. Wolf me ignores wolf partners at much as possible and with her not being here a whole lot mentioning her would NOT have happened especially not to say I didn't want to lynch her.

 

 

On 12/4/2018 at 4:38 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

I want you to be town!  I always want you to be town.  I just don't know if you are yet

 

On 12/4/2018 at 4:39 AM, Katiora said:

What can I do to prove I'm town??? I mean I could copy and past my email from Cory, but that would get me ModKilled so it would kinda defeat the purpose.

 

On 12/4/2018 at 4:43 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

I'm not tinfoiling you.  I'm trying to figure you out, and I don't have to pretend you're my peek anymore.  I did/do think your constant paranoia is a good look but AJ was absolutely correct to say you would probably be savvy enough to do that as mafia.  I don't think anybody that knows you thinks you're just going to come in with hard, concrete reads as scum and plaster people to the wall.  It'd be the most glaring thing in the thread and everybody would call you out for it.

 

So that leaves me looking at tone and general contribution.  I think I ~sort of have a baseline for you - as much as I can without ever having played against you as scum - and don't think your tone is completely off, but there have been a couple of things that sounded forced/wrong.  "I do apologize" for missing the trial, for example.

 

General contribution... you're well below where you normally are.  I know you're like the Anti-Zander (and that's mostly a good thing!) but just looking at this game versus GoT, where's the substance?  Where are the actual opinions?

 

On 12/4/2018 at 4:44 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

Just read the game, post your thoughts, ask/answer questions.  I promise, if you're town, I will do what I can to read you correctly - same as I will with literally every other player.

 

On 12/4/2018 at 4:49 AM, Katiora said:

 

 

In my defense this game has me seriously thrown off... the thing is I get a lot of my info from where people put their votes. Who is on competing trains. honestly I don't know what to look at this game. Looking at interactions between posters is hard for me. It's a lot of reading without a lot of reward. The way this game votes with only one suspect and no competing train to get information off of is going to have me being poor on reads at least until I find something solid I can sink my teeth in. And I apologized because I had full intentions of showing up and putting forth some effort and I didn't, and I kinda felt bad because that made it where I'm even more null than usual because I had no input on the verdict which is the only way to gain information for real this game. 

 

I'm not trying to be obtuse and as soon as I have a good solid break with time and a serious likelyhood of not being constantly interrupted at work, like I am right now, I do plan on going back through Hallia's interactions and seeing if I see anything that pings me one way or another. I can understand your suspicions of me but please give me a little time to get my thoughts wrapped around the game before condemning me. 

 

On 12/4/2018 at 5:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

I'm fine giving you the same leeway I'll give everybody else.  I'm not going to demand anybody die for not being here...but I'm also not going to use inactivity as an excuse to keep anybody around.  I care a hell of a lot more about what you say/think than how many posts you make or how long it takes you to get there ❤️

 

 

On 12/4/2018 at 5:42 AM, Katiora said:

❤️ honestly can't ask for more

 

 

 

 

On 12/4/2018 at 4:36 AM, Katiora said:

*Sighs* I'm not a wolf. Quit tinfoiling me. That's reserved for me to do. At no time does wolf me say I don't want to lynch Hallia. Wolf me ignores wolf partners at much as possible and with her not being here a whole lot mentioning her would NOT have happened especially not to say I didn't want to lynch her.

 

On 12/4/2018 at 8:43 PM, Cass said:

 

I kinda believe the bold. Didn't you say you didn't want to lynch her D1 though? I think that would be a plausible thing for you/anyone to say as WW and still maintain distance?

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 5:14 AM, Katiora said:

I would not have mentioned her unless directly confronted with her to begin with. 

 

 

Ok I haven't had time to do diddly today because I was attacked by work on the way to work this morning  I am doing my best to catch up and finish my re-read... It's finally kinda quiet, so fingers crossed it stays that way. Give me a few to read what's been posted since I got off  yesterday and I'll try to give some thoughts, though they will be very bleh.

 

Cass on the other thing I saw from you asking me. With the votes last night I honestly don't get a lot of information from it. No one is forced to reason out their vote and be asked questions about it during the voting process. It's going to be harder to find fallacies in someone's reasoning, which is something I use. A lot of the time in this game scum is just going to say, "well i agreed with so-and-so's reasoning on their case so I voted" but they won't really put forth any evidence themselves.  The one BAD thing about Hallia being scum is no one is saying "THIS" is why I voted for her. Honestly I think most people voted for her because she was the one that was selected and they didn't want a no lynch on D1. With her being wolf it's hard to question anyone on WHY. Does that make sense?? I mean I've given my reasoning on why I would have voted no. Honestly Chris seems to think that is scummy, which is kinda ironic for me. But at least I have a reason for my thought process and have stuck with it, even after she turned scum. 

 

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 5:21 AM, Cass said:

/

WRT finding fallacies being something you'd use - kinda what I was getting at with asking you about it. I would've expected you to maybe question BASED on that, even though the mechanics are different, and the second bold ~kinda makes sense, except people ARE/have/should be able to give reasons as to why - so the potential value in questioning is essentially the same?

 

On 12/5/2018 at 5:36 AM, Katiora said:

but see there comes in the problem with knowing the outcome of the vote. It's easier to come up with a logical explanation when you already know the outcome, especially when we get a wolf. 

 

 

Honestly right now, based on interactions and tones I really like you (Cass), Clov, probably Darcstar though I don't know them very well but based purely on "content" and effort, I'm less sure about Dice. Nyn I still WANT to believe, but I don't feel sure of at all. AJ I almost think we should lynch just because he scares me but he's POSSIBLY Town. Dice feels a lot like he did last game which makes me WANT to think he's town. And we know that ummmm the new person is town. I can't remember which one it is and I don't think I've seen any posts really so far lol though I haven't caught up reading yet. I don't understand why suddenly everyone is voting Dice to Accuse. Hopefully I'll catch that when I finish catching up my read. The rest of everyone it's a blur to me that I'm just not sure about. I'm also afraid that there's at least one deep wolf in the group of people I just mentioned.

 

 

But if I had to post a list right now just for kicks: 

 

New Person <.< is it Illian?? <.<

Kat

Clov

Cass

Darc

Dice

 

AJ

Nyn

 

Everyone else. 

 

Honestly I would probably be willing to vote anyone in this section as long as their was a proper, logical case built against them. Though with a proper rebuttal with good reasoning on someone else being scum I could be convinced No as well. 

 

 

Cory I really hate your game... This takes way more thought than I really want to put into it for now  lol jk... kinda... lool  

 

 

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 3:56 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

"But Chris, why would you do these things?"

 

Because I'm probably the easiest person in the world to vote right now, so many reads are fairly consensus, and this setup is damn hard to get productive dialogue going.  Whoever gets voted - me or otherwise - basically needs spot on reads (notnreally because we have mislynches to give, but you get my point).  VCA is going to be harder than ever and I'd like to optimize their/my decision

On 12/5/2018 at 5:45 AM, Katiora said:

SO MUCH THIS

 

 

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 1:49 AM, darc-star said:

not voting for either

darthe/illian

 

might vote for accuser

chris

dice

 

prob wouldnt vote for either

len

aj

cass

 

might vote yes if accused

kat

nyna

 

wouldnt oppose lynch

bwn the Penguin

seph

 

is probably where im at

 

On 12/5/2018 at 5:48 AM, Katiora said:

 

Darc what is your thoughts on Seph. I have played very little and don't have much of a read. I like that they have been here some and had decent content earlier in the game. Honestly I need to go back and completely re-read yesterday, it's all a blur, but what has put Seph so low on  your list? 

 

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 6:09 AM, Katiora said:

You are AMAZING ❤️❤️❤️ 

 

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 3:51 PM, Hallia said:

 

I feel like a solid core atm with Clov/Lenlo/Cass/AJ - All are pretty invested/making good posts.  I was off on AJ last game, but his tone still reads well to me, so GONNA GO WITH IT

On 12/5/2018 at 6:16 AM, Katiora said:

 

So this is from the very beginning of the game... What's the chances of Hallia throwing a wolf in this group??? 

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 7:15 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

There's a pretty well known mafia theory called "rule of 3".  If mafia names three people, as either town reads or mafia suspects", one is their teammate.  They dont want to clear a ton of townies and dont want to look bad for never accusing scum.

 

If I had to straight YOLO it, I'd say Hallia probably doesn't want to just pick four townies right off the bat.  But I put absolutely no stock into the theory... if any two die and flip town, my read on the other one changes in no way.

 

On 12/5/2018 at 7:16 AM, Katiora said:

Ok so theoretical question, purely. Mostly to spur discussion, if you HAD to choose one to be wolf in that list who is it? 

 

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 7:47 AM, seph said:

/

kat can you answer your own question

On 12/5/2018 at 8:17 AM, Katiora said:

I will I wanted to see other's thoughts first...

 

On 12/5/2018 at 8:07 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

AJ.  He just barely edges out Lenlo - AJ voted no, Lenlo voted yes.  Pretty sure it's never Cass.

 

You?

 

Quote

 

I'm torn. Looking back on Hallia's posts the person it appears she mentions the most is Lenlo. Which puts me in a bit of a WIFOM conundrum. Does she really name drop her partner so much?? Does that spew him clean?? or was she name dropping him because he was her partner and she was wanting him to look good. I think it's probably more the first. But I haven't really seen anything out of Lenlo so far that just says "I'm most likely towny" I mean I can't say he's been scummy either. He's just been here. Said enough to keep out of the bottom of the list suspicion where he's suspect because he's not here but I don't really know of anything memorable that he's posted that sticks out to me. 

 

I'd be more likely to lean AJ or Clov. Clov is the one I'm afraid of. I REALLY want Chris to be town. SOOOOOO bad. like SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad. which worries me because I'm afraid I'm being pocketed. Which he knows I'm prone to. AJ is just hard for me to believe he's wolf again lol. He's like the perpetual wolf. He did start the game kinda happy but after the last game where he was pretty much wolfin solo he could have just been happy to have someone semi active and that he's played with a good bit on his side. 

 

So in other words i'm not sure. If I HAD to choose one I'd probably pick AJ, but only because I think the others are LESS likely not because I think he's that scummy. I do think that AJ has shown much more patience with this game than the last which is probably a good sign. 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 8:18 AM, Katiora said:

btw agree. I don't ever see Cass as wolf this game. 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 9:22 AM, Katiora said:

Vote: Cass

 

I feel the best about her. 

 

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 6:17 AM, Illian Tear said:

Vote the ones who have played more, and know the people.

 

On 12/5/2018 at 6:18 AM, Katiora said:

Illian how caught up are you in the thread?

 

On 12/5/2018 at 6:23 AM, Illian Tear said:

I've been reading along since it started.

 

 

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 9:28 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

How is Lenlo above AJ or me, when you think he's just kinda there but you've got positives for AJ and... really I have no idea about me.  Like, I ~understand why people have tinfoil about me (not really in the terms of this game, but as a general thing), but I think it's pretty impossible to say I have just been floating around and nothing memorable sticks out.

 

On 12/5/2018 at 9:42 AM, Katiora said:

Did you read what I wrote about him?? Mostly I don't think Hallia keeps bringing him up if she's his partner. 

 

Honestly I don't think you're Wolf. I want to tinfoil you but I've pretty much resigned myself that if you're scum I'm just gonna be wrong and probably die for it. 

 

I was talking about on a purely Hallia related kinda thing. And honestly you're reactions with/about Hallia spews you even more town. You've questioned anyone who had any kind of towny read on her since fairly early d1. Which honestly thinking about it now makes me want to tinfoil you more lol Cause I really didn't see anything about her that caused me to think she was scum, but I don't see you bussing on d1 unless you thought they were a sure bet for who would get lynched. 

 

 

As far as AJ... with him i'm just uncomfortable. There's been things about him I liked, but I don't know. I just have a gut feeling that makes me unsure. *shrugs* Could just be indigestion from the mozzarella sticks I ate earlier...  

 

On 12/5/2018 at 9:43 AM, Katiora said:

Clov do you maintain that you think Darc is the best accuser for tonight?? 

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 10:05 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

 

Fair enough, I guess.  Pretty sure Hallia had no problem bringing up a teammate the last time I went against her as scum, though I'll concede that teammate was AJ and not Lenlo, was a nearly consensus townread, and was far more active than Lenlo had been here.

 

...yeah, as I write that, that would have been a bold move by her.

 

On 12/5/2018 at 9:54 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

I've never thought Darc was a better accuser than me.  I've never thought anyone in this game was a better accuser than me.  I do maintain she would be one of my top choices; I'd probably go Dice > her just because I'm probably accusing Nyn and Dice seems to be; I think Darc probably goes Seph, who I'm more or less okay with.

 

 

Nobody supported Tripped more than me. ? 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 9:57 AM, Katiora said:

Vote: Clov

 

Heck why not... lol 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 9:58 AM, Kaylee said:

Official Vote Count

 

Darc (1) - Clov

Cass (1) - AJ

Clov (2) - Seph, Kat

Dice (4) - Dice, Nyn, Darc, Illian

 

Not Voting: Lenlo, Cass, Penguins

 

 

DEADLINE DEC 4TH 9PM EST

 

Roughly 3 hous from now

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 10:00 AM, Katiora said:

*considers changing vote just for fun.... 

 

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 10:39 AM, Andrej said:

 

Is this because you like Clov’s picks to accuse or because you trust him the most?

 

same question about the Cass switch

 

On 12/5/2018 at 11:01 AM, Katiora said:

With clov it’s a bit of both. With Cass I just trust her. I switched because I don’t really know who she’s wanting to vote and I’m interested in Clov’s case on Nyn. 

 

 

 

 

 

--- D3 ---

 

 

On 12/8/2018 at 3:21 AM, Andrej said:

That being said not everyone is equal in that regard.

 

If you were scum I think you would’ve waited another Day before doing something like this, but that’s only based in what I think I would do as you in that situation. I mean it’s pretty -EV to try to thunderdome when either result could be bad for you and scum still need like 3 MLs to win.

 

Darc I think I need to reread because I have been sort of ignoring them and sheeping Tripped/Clov’s read. I agree the D1 interaction with Hallia look good for them and I remember yesterday reading something I thought sounded pretty genuine so I am not super alarmed about them but would like a more informed read just for myself.

 

Seph is pretty hung up on Darc and has been since D1 so I would like to flesh out that dynamic more. There’s something they said the other day as a reason for me being Mafia that I didn’t really like either, but I need to check something first. Something about the timing of their original dislike of Tripped and their sudden proclaiming them super town/peeked bugs me.

 

Kat is ??? to me. Want to hear her thoughts about the lynch and who to accuse next. There was a moment yesterday I thought the two of you had team equity for when she was highlighting how Hallia wouldn’t have talked about you so much as her partner but not so sure on that anymore. Kat/Nyn team maybe? I remember her saying she didn’t want to Lynch Nyn or Hallia D1.

 

Nyn, nothing really to add. ATP I wouldn’t want to carry her deep into the game.

 

On 12/8/2018 at 3:35 AM, Katiora said:

 

If you remember I also said I didn't want to lynch you or Chris Ya'll have taken that and read too much into it and I hope you remember it next game. I rarely want to lynch people D1 that I have played with consistently, unless it's Darthe and since he was my pretend peek I couldn't even say that this time. *sighs* 

 

To me Penguin's lynch was inevitable. His attitude and lack of effort last day phase made it so that he would always be a question mark. With town having a bit of a head start I thought it was good to go ahead and get him out of the way, though I think Nyn would have been a better choice honestly. I do think it is...... weird.. that so many people abstained from voting. I mean I could have understand one or two not voting because of rl something but... just to abstain. We are going to quickly have to take a stand one way or another. While you say we may have 3 ML's I'd rather us not have to go that many. Taking a stand is the only way that we will get information this game. 

 

I'm not on a team with Nyn, i'm not on a team with anyone. Though honestly I think Nyn may be a good case for today to look at. Lenlo I think your case is based on conjecture and misconstrued comments, I don't know that AJ is scum or town, but trying to pair us together is laughable. Right now I'm thinking I will most likely vote Dice for accuser unless something changes by 5pm cst to change my mind. 

 

 

 

On 12/8/2018 at 3:42 AM, Lenlo said:

/snip

 

Im... not pairing you together? Your both just wolf-reads right now. The top ones I am willing to lynch. Im not making a case that your on the same team. I will re-evaluate everything once another wolf flips. As of right now, I think your both the most likely wolves out there.

 

I appreciate the pop in comment on it though. Maybe give some of your own thoughts though instead of hedging?

 

On 12/8/2018 at 3:45 AM, Katiora said:

Maybe read the rest of my post where I actually put some thoughts instead of just picking out the one part where I didn't? 

 

On 12/8/2018 at 3:54 AM, Lenlo said:

Considering the part I commented on was at the end, I would have to read the rest to get down to it.

 

All you do in that post is A) Explaining why you didn't lynch D1. and B) Comment on Penguins lynch while non-commitally referencing a possible Nyn lynch. 

 

You arnt pushing anything. You arnt casing anything. You hedged on Nyn through that entire post. I stand by what I said.

 

 

 

 

 

On 12/8/2018 at 8:20 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

im thinking over nyn.  shes voted for me to be accuser TWICE. Part of me says it could be a suicide move like pengy did but that doesnt seem like the nyn I know and love.

 

part of me wants to put one of you and aj up just to shut that argument up but i really dont think it will be productive. theres equity for it to be t/t w/w or W/t.   we lynch one and odds are good we get the wrong one.

 

Darc doesnt seem to be carrying on as she started   which according to her meta as explained by trip or clov    cant remember which   which is a bad thing usually.

 

seph i cant wrap my head around.  You like him but i cant understand him. im just not getting his arguments.

 

i REALLY need @Katiora to step up.  Kat its still friday there noiw right? and we're gonna lose you for the w/e as per usual i expect. So i REALLY need you to dig in and give game thoughts on players.  Right now Kat is very much on the table.

 

 

have i missed anyone?

 

 

On 12/8/2018 at 9:52 AM, Katiora said:

 

Honestly this game I don't know that you'll get a lot of thoughts from me. I've said this repeatedly. And I haven't seen anyone do any better honestly, I hate the way the system of this game works. I hate it. (sorry cory) I can't scum hunt like this. EVERYTHING is conjecture. I have nothing to go on. We have one person's case to build something on. Both times the person building that case has been NK'd. Last night hardly anyone bothered to vote at all. How the heck am I supposed to build a case from that? The only person posting real accusations in the thread is Lenlo and I think he's way off base. I also think he's probably town, but that doesn't make what he says any truer. In fact that just means he's more likely to have no clue what's really going on just like the rest of us. This is honestly the most frustrating game I've ever been in as town. And I hate it. I think it would have been better if they cop hadn't made such a big target of herself D1 and gotten killed. At least at some point we could have built a town core. But as it sits I have no clue what to do. 

 

 

Vote: Dice

 

--- D4 ---

 

 

 

 

 

--- Votes---

 

On 12/1/2018 at 1:48 PM, Cory Caboose said:

D1 Final Vote Count

 

Cass (3) - Dice, Hally, Lenlo

Katiora (1) - Cass

Tripped (4) - Seph, AJ, Darc, Clov

Not Voting: everyone else 

 

On 12/3/2018 at 8:24 AM, Cory Caboose said:

By a vote of 7:1, Hallia has been declared...
GUILTY!

YES: Clov, Darc, Dice, Lenlo, Nyn, Seph, Tripped

NO: AJ

ABSTAINED: Cass, Darthe, Katiora, Penguins

 

 

On 12/5/2018 at 1:10 PM, Cory Caboose said:

D2 Final Vote Count

 

Clov (5) - Seph, Kat, Lenlo, Penguins, AJ

Dice (5) - Dice, Nyn, Darc, Illian, Clov

 

Not Voting: Cass

 

Accuser has been randed. Stay tuned...

 

On 12/7/2018 at 3:02 PM, Cory Caboose said:

By a vote of 4:1, DontTrustThePenguins has been declared...
GUILTY!

 

YES: AJ, Clov, Kat, Lenlo

NO: Dice

ABSTAINED: Cass, Darc, Ilian Tear, Nyn, Seph

 

DO NOT POST YET!

 

On 12/10/2018 at 1:06 PM, Cory Caboose said:

D3 Final Vote Count

 

Leno (1) - Leno 

Dice (4) - Nyn, Kat, AJ, Darc

 

Not Voting (4) - Dice, Cass, Illian, Seph

 

dicetosser1 has been selected as the accuser!

 

On 12/13/2018 at 3:46 AM, Cory Caboose said:

By a vote of 6:2, seph has been declared...
GUILTY!

Yes: AJ, Darc, Dice, Ilian Tear, Kat, Nyn 

No: Cass, Lenlo

 

DO NOT POST YET!

 

[Lenlo]

20 minutes ago, Andrej said:

?

 

ngl I’m tempted but it also feels like a setup.

 

you go from 100% sure I’m scum to wanting to make deals with me, so I don’t really know how to take that.

Ive been willing to listen to things you say for awhile now. No one else is posting and we have nothing else to do. Had people followed me, been active, and all come behind it, I would have accused you no questions asked. I still think your a wolf afterall.

 

But the game is laggin AJ. You and me are really the only ones consistently here. If one of the two of us is a wolf, this game is probably the wolfs win at this point because of apathetic town. So the only real move left is to gamble that I am an idiot and that we can work this out.

 

I am makin a gamble here, because I would rather avoid one at LyLo tomorrow.