PotC Mafia Game - mafia won!!

[Dragoon]

36 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Dice. Was not expecting dice.

It didn't even cross my mind that he would be an option (sorry dice)

 

I thought it would have been between me, as the vocal townie pushing the game toward solving, or darthe because of his comment about revealing, making it sound like he had a PR.

 

I chose wrong, and have wasted my 1x Doc . If there's a cop out there, know that I can't protect you. 

 

Eldrick2 

Can you please help me understand your claim.

 

1) You have claimed to be a one shot doc which resulted in no verifiable result. 

2) A basic game may or my not have a doc, the likely cop can't bank on being protected and advising them after there is no chance of protection doesn't provide them any advantage

3) For it to give town an advantage there would have to be something solid to back up the claim other then the person claiming's word. Given that it was a misfire this basically mean you need to die in order for your alignment to confirm your claim. A dead townie flipping but not pointing the spotlight on a possible scum is a disadvantage for town (Scum would night kill as to avoid the spot light)

 

Am I missing something because your claim doesn't make sense from a town perspective.

 

I'm not accusing, just don't understand (sorry if me asking this ruins the claim strategy)

 

8.Dragoon (6 of 50)

[Eldrick4221]

Even though the doc isn't guaranteed, it's expected. Letting the cop know the protection isn't there gives them the knowledge to be more careful with when they reveal.

 

Also because my protection is gone, an early mass reveal is a horrible idea.

 

Eldrick2 

[BFG]

Votecount

 

Darthe (1): Eldrick

 

not voting (6): amega, BG, Cass, Darthe, dragoon, Kat

 

Confirmed end of day countdown

 

 

[Dragoon]

11 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Even though the doc isn't guaranteed, it's expected. Letting the cop know the protection isn't there gives them the knowledge to be more careful with when they reveal.

 

Also because my protection is gone, an early mass reveal is a horrible idea.

 

Eldrick2 

Sorry I still don't see the benefits in this situation.

 

If I were the cop I would be careful regardless (don't reveal unless my claim is going to be confirmed by a lynch). After the reveal the cop is basically dead (night killed as they would then be confirmed town). Even if it was prevented, scum would just have another go.

 

Also why would you suggest supporting a mass reveal and then use your doc shot on yourself. Kinda defeats a mass claim  (everyone claims town) so it is back to taking everyone at their word.

 

I might just go sit back in my noob sit now... 

 

8.Dragoon (7 of 50)

[Eldrick4221]

I'm not sure why I still did. I was expecting them to target me (obviously) and planned on sticking it in their face that I thwarted the kill.

 

It was basically just tied in with my reaction to dice dying. For good or bad, it's out there now.

 

Eldrick2 

[Dragoon]

18 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

I'm not sure why I still did. I was expecting them to target me (obviously) and planned on sticking it in their face that I thwarted the kill.

 

It was basically just tied in with my reaction to dice dying. For good or bad, it's out there now.

 

Eldrick2 

Ok what scenarios does dice geting NK over you present 

 

Just brain storming motivations here...

 

You are scum (claim not verifiable but supports setting up immunity for you) 

 

Cass and/or I are scum (nothing suss about the New South Welshmen meeting an untimely death). 

 

Amega scum (Voted Dice day 1) 

 

I know that's totally sherlock Homles material right there but it's been a big day so that's all i have at the moment.

 

8.Dragoon  (8 of 50)

[Dragoon]

Since I am still a mafia grasshopper and have not honed the secert arts of removing the need to sleep through tinfoiling... I am going to bed.

 

Later all

 

8.Dragoon (9 of 50)

[Eldrick4221]

I'm not huge on thinking about why someone was killed. It's pure wifom.

 

As for the immunity thing, there's no reason for my claim to make you think I'm more townie than you already do. Only feasible effect it has to anyone besides the cop is after I'm dead and you see my pov is town.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

And now that the claim is out there, I'm on borrowed time.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

Not everything I do makes sense. I'm not great at thinking about the ramifications of my actions.

 

Eldrick2 

[Katiora]

8 hours ago, Dragoon said:

 

Out curiosity if you were mafia who would you of picked?

 

8.Dragoon (2 of 50)

 

 

Honestly I'm not sure.. would have depended who my partner was *shrugs* wouldn't have been Dice.. I would have tried to play his calder switch at last minute as scummy. There was already one person that had mentioned it... I would have grabbed on to that and seen if there was anything I could get going on it. Dice is easy to get riled up as a townie and when he gets riled it's easier to make him out to be scum. *shrugs* I know how to work dice from experience... If I were scum and knew who else was I would have gone after someone that was considered more likely to be town by everyone like Cass or Eld who both seem to be on everyone's more towny feels. 

 

I definitely think it would be HORRIBLE for the cop to reveal. At this point in the game (yes I know it's a small game Darthe but it's not THAT SMALL) D2 is much too early. D3 if we have no leads it would be one thing because at least then the cop should have 2 reads (HOPEFULLY) to go with their claim and give us an idea of some other solid town too. Now is just too early and will give scum too much of an advantage. 

 

Don't particularly like Eld's reveal. Seems kinda pointless to me. Not very Eld like. I'm not sure what to think about it. 

[Darthe]

13 hours ago, Katiora said:

 all of town. Trust me if I were mafia it would not have been dice that died. 

Maybe you wouldn't have.  I think the dice kill is interesting, its something unexpected.

[Darthe]

8 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Dice. Was not expecting dice.

It didn't even cross my mind that he would be an option (sorry dice)

 

I thought it would have been between me, as the vocal townie pushing the game toward solving, or darthe because of his comment about revealing, making it sound like he had a PR.

 

I chose wrong, and have wasted my 1x Doc . If there's a cop out there, know that I can't protect you. 

 

Eldrick2 

 

I think you should've been against the claims considering.  I believe you kinda, but am hopeful that youre lying and are a full doc.  Either way, this is good.  We need to get narrower, so darthe approved!

 

8 hours ago, Dragoon said:

@Darthe hey mate you're the only one that hasn't replied

 

8.Dragoon (4 of 50)

 

I have a tendency to do that man.  I quoted this then can't see the nested quote so lemme get back to it next post :/

 

8 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Thank you for explaining, Darthe. I kinda get your POV.

Some of the things I say don't have conviction behind them. I dont always have conviction to back them up, but say it anyway to get my thoughts across. How people feel about them helps me sort out my feelings. But I can see how you might think that's scummy.

 

 

Not gonna defend how hard I tried to get the game going. It was dead. It was gonna stay dead if nobody did something about that. Call it too pushy if you want.

 

As for being "a bit too insightful", I'm glad I'm doing well enough that you consider it a problem. There's a fine like behind tmi wolf and insightful town. I have good instincts.

 

I liked your reasoning for mass reveal and have revealed. Unfortunately, I wouldn't suggest a max reveal at this point anymore.

 

Now as for my read on you, now that you answered my questions. I didn't really get a townie vibe from them that I was hoping to get. They didn't come off as manipulative, just explanatory, and that's a good thing. As of right now, I dont feel like lynching you.

 

Eldrick2 

 

This is a quick turnaround coming up which really does not help me at all if you're town, but ftr good post.  I dunno what kind of vibe I'm supposed to have, but I'm here and am working the thread in my way.  With the doc claim my sus of you isn't warranted ATM.

 

That said, for all reading, if you are a doc (1x, full, whatever) ***do*** CC that.  It's worth it at this point and  I can't imagine having two protective roles in the game.

 

7 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Darthe. You are complaining about not having good leads, but I'm not really seeing much in the way of finding leads. You're saying the thread is dead. 

It feels like you're poking the thread with a stick and saying "Do something."

 

Eldrick2 

 

That should make perfect sense to you.  I'm a prodder and a conversationalist, I never spend a ton of energy on chasing and casing until I'm already convicted of my read.

 

7 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

You say you have the feeling that the wolves are running the thread, which is possible. It's possible an active scum is taking advantage of the relative quietness. This is a large part of why I self-protected. The fact that I'm still alive tells me this scenario is unlikely.

It's more likely that the scum is hanging back and letting town run amuck. The more I think about it, your concept of scum running the game feels like a misdirection to draw attention away from those that aren't contributing as much.

 

Eldrick2 

 

This post is why I mentioned the CC thing above.  Look at the contradiction between "scum is hanging back I'm based on my self protect" and "your concept feels like misdirection to draw attention away from those not contributing".  How do you get from one where I am not a wolf to justifying it as me being a wolf in two sentences?  Am I town drawing us away from the wolves who aren't present?  Am I a wolf drawing town away from my partner who by your logic wouldn't be valuable to me? Did I fudge an NK just to set this up?  

 

I don't see how you get to where you just got without some serious gymnastics.  That's frustrating right after a doc claim from you when you were (tinfoily still are) a suspect of mine.

 

7 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Vote Darthe

 

Where I am now, pending discussion on my recent thoughts.

 

Eldrick2 

 

[Darthe]

Calder was a shot Dragoon.  EoD is the answer to your question, and for a new player that maybe doesn't seem satisfying as a response, but town needs to make a choice in the end.  Calder has some case against him that made sense, and I didn't want Amega dead.

 

Easy enough really.

[Darthe]

Speaking of, Amega I have this weird suspicion that if you're a wolf you'd tell everyone I'm town early to pocket me.  That you wavered early on gave you a lot of town points in my eyes.

 

I'd still like to see where your head's at though.  Drop me a list plx.

[Eldrick4221]

On 2/25/2018 at 1:24 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

I like this point a lot. If dice flips town, it's time for a hard look at amega.

 

This could also just be scum omgus, so this is only a post-flip point.

 

Yay rereads.

 

Heads up to mobile users. Opening a "reply to quote" in a new tab doesn't work. I had one about Darthe, but will have to dig it up.

 

Anyway, resurfacing this post because dice flipped town.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

19 minutes ago, Darthe said:

This post is why I mentioned the CC thing above.  Look at the contradiction between "scum is hanging back I'm based on my self protect" and "your concept feels like misdirection to draw attention away from those not contributing".  How do you get from one where I am not a wolf to justifying it as me being a wolf in two sentences?  Am I town drawing us away from the wolves who aren't present?  Am I a wolf drawing town away from my partner who by your logic wouldn't be valuable to me? Did I fudge an NK just to set this up?  

 

I am counting you in the not contributing. I'm working my way through a reread, so my impression might change, but that's my current stance on you.

 

The active contributors are myself, Cass and Amega. By the misdirection, I was referring to the rest. Yourself included.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

More thoughts on the "why was dice killed" question. The main problem with this discussion is every instance also has "scum wanted it to look like that"

 

That being said, the reason that makes the most sense to me is "Amega killed him to relieve the pressure", which is ofc paired with " scum killed dice to set up Amega". See the problem in this kind of thinking?

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

@Cass what is your current read on Amega?

[amegakure]

imma bust up some fools on COD then ill try a list... Man i hate lists...

 

hey does anyone here play fortnite? Games lit. 

[Eldrick4221]

On 2/23/2018 at 6:07 PM, bgrishinko said:

Hello everyone, checking in. 

 

4. BG

 

On 2/24/2018 at 3:39 PM, bgrishinko said:

 

Do my eyes perceive a Slip? Probably just a poor choice of words. But I cannot ignore this.

 

 

I am amused that your tag post fits into your list. 

 

 

110%? Does that rollover into wolf? Like a buffer overflow? 

 

 

 

 

The 3 posts above amused me simply because of the timing of him calling out people maybe pretending to forget tagging their posts as a scum maneuver... then immediately forgets to tag his next post. lol

 

 

I erroneously latched on to Darthe for his "it doesn't matter, move along" attitude last game, so it's kind of null to me when he does that. It annoys me though.

4. BG (2/50) <---- stealing this post count number idea.

 

Still working on figuring out BG. Top of page 11 and here are his posts so far. I remember someone questioning the last one (Amega, I believe) and I remember the response being meh.

 

Trudging through a reread is slow work. Taking a break.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

So far what has caught my attention is both Darthe and Kat poked at my solving as being 'tryhard'. Feel like there might be something there. Something to think about if either of them flip scum.

 

Eldrick2 

[Dragoon]

6 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Not everything I do makes sense. I'm not great at thinking about the ramifications of my actions.

 

Eldrick2 

Well that's just not very helpful now is it... 

 

8.Dragoon  (10 of 50)

[Dragoon]

1 hour ago, Darthe said:

Calder was a shot Dragoon.  EoD is the answer to your question, and for a new player that maybe doesn't seem satisfying as a response, but town needs to make a choice in the end.  Calder has some case against him that made sense, and I didn't want Amega dead.

 

Easy enough really.

You're right it isn't.

 

8.Dragoon  (11 of 50)

[Dragoon]

Dice getting taken out seems to have blindsided most people. @Cass you know people better than me, what's your thoughts?

 

8.Dragoon (12 of 50)