PotC Mafia Game - mafia won!!

[amegakure]

aight im off to bed. Peace. 

[Eldrick4221]

Half asleep thoughts. 

 

Amega has history of being mislynched. Amega has a pattern of focusing on weird things and overly defending. At responding to stuff that isn't about him in a defensive nature. Could be playstyle. Could be scum paranoia. 

Amega being overly defensive of Dragoon and pointing out he doesn't want to go after him because he's new.

When Dragoon voted Calder,  Amega was one of the trains. Could have been an effort to save his teammate.

 

Possible Amega/Dragoon scum team.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

I don't know how much of that is really worth anything. Just a mental dump before I forget.

 

Eldrick2 

[Nynaeve]

Dice was forced to walk the plank and was able to swim to safety. But alas, the hair on his back was not long enough to strap together sea turtles to fashion a raft. He died a slow and painful death, aussie style. But at least there was rum.

 

Dice died as..

an alcoholic... and a

Vanilla townie

 

 

It is D2. With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[Katiora]

.... well... that was in interesting nk.... I'm not really sure what to think about it. I don't know if i should think this is Amega and/or Eld trying to shut him up or someone else trying to make it look like Amega or Eld is wanting to shut him up.... 

[Katiora]

^ Kat6

 

 

[dicetosser1]

1 hour ago, amegakure said:

 

 

edited as i did not know i was dead

 

Go TOWN

[Darthe]

Thread is dead yo.

 

Im here and have been able to read some today but today was exhausting at work.

 

Let me respond to a few things.

[Darthe]

20 hours ago, amegakure said:

@Darthe why eldrick? Besides Caldar not helping his case and getting lynched why do you think wolves won d1? Was thre an interaction that got your attention? 

 

Should we consider calders read on cass? 

The answer to why El is the same as why wolves won D1 imo.  

 

We don't have great leads.  At least, I don't.  El did a few things early on that we're odd to me and most people are sorta bland, so I have little to go on compared to where I should be.  Ergo, I could've leaned that direction at EoD when we were talking about a few limited options.

 

20 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

Definitely not at night. If you guys wanna reveal in the morning, go for it.

 

Of course.  This kinda goes without saying, or went without saying since it's day now.

 

19 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Ok this question is bothering me. Why would early reveals be a good idea?

 

Because we are getting nowhere quickly and this is 9 player.  It's later in the game than it feels right now.

 

 

19 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

I'm trying to wrap my brain around Darthe's read on me. I was one of the two people he was WTL at EoD, and I'm not sure why.

 

There were a couple times he mentioned having mixed feelings on me, and they read as town trying to sort things out, so I left him to do his thing and to see how it got sorted.

 

I ended up at the bottom, and would like to know why. Would like to figure out if he's scum throwing shade on a vocal townie or townie simply getting his read wrong.

 

@Darthe Why do you want to lynch me?

 

Eldrick2 

 

I explained pretty well above, but it's not so much that you've become a big target who I feel comfortable victed about or anything.  It's more a combination of the sense that wolves are running the game, you've a finger in a lot of things which looks like it's too pushy at times, you seem a bit too insightful in moments, and at eod I was willing to discuss lynching you as opposed to lynching others since we needed an option as a counterwagon.

 

 

18 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

I'm not sure. I was so expecting Calder to be scum.

 

I'm feeling decent about you. You make a lot of sense and its easy to follow what you're saying, but others aren't, and it makes me wonder if I'm missing something.

 

I like Cass so far, but she's one that is easier to figure out later. Not gonna forget that Calder thought she was scum for #reasons, but not gonna let it be a large factor because we don't know why.

 

Dice is a tough one. I could see myself maybe going there, but I dunno. He's probably lowest on my list because of the "backpedalling". Like I said I'm not sure if it's scum motivated or not. If he stays stuck on you, that might be something.

 

BG is one that I need to look at more closely. Need more input from him. If he coasts, he could be scum.

 

Kat is also tough. I liked her catchup post. She's having trouble playing, but handling it well. I think she's probably town, but it's way too soon to have a confident read there. 

 

My read on Darthe is largely based on how he handles recent questions. I was back and forth during D1. His question about mass reveals is concerning, as is his sudden WTL on me. Miiight go there.

 

So I guess my current WTL is BG, dice and Darthe. Not strongly on any of them.

 

Eldrick2 

 

For instance.  The bold is something that's so easy to say without any conviction.  It's leaving you open. And it wasn't happening before I said I was willing to Lynch you.  It's not hard to see your motivation here as wolfy, but it's also not really convicting on it's own.

 

14 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Also the newbie card only goes so far. Sure some things you should write off as "they don't know what they're doing yet", but new people get scum rands too. They shouldn't be written off conpletely 'because they are new.

 

Eldrick2  

 

This too is a really easy thing to say as a wolf and ingratiate yourself.

[Darthe]

Lol about the dice questioning and then he gets NKd.

 

I am straight ignoring that WIFOM

[Darthe]

4 hours ago, Katiora said:

.... well... that was in interesting nk.... I'm not really sure what to think about it. I don't know if i should think this is Amega and/or Eld trying to shut him up or someone else trying to make it look like Amega or Eld is wanting to shut him up.... 

Hey, just curious, who is your partner?

[Katiora]

12 minutes ago, Darthe said:

Hey, just curious, who is your partner?

 all of town. Trust me if I were mafia it would not have been dice that died. 

[amegakure]

Why? I'm curious? 

[Dragoon]

9 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Half asleep thoughts. 

 

Amega has history of being mislynched. Amega has a pattern of focusing on weird things and overly defending. At responding to stuff that isn't about him in a defensive nature. Could be playstyle. Could be scum paranoia. 

Amega being overly defensive of Dragoon and pointing out he doesn't want to go after him because he's new.

When Dragoon voted Calder,  Amega was one of the trains. Could have been an effort to save his teammate.

 

Possible Amega/Dragoon scum team.

 

Eldrick2 

There is a logical connection here.

 

Just to add to this,  at the time I voted Calder

Amega had Dice (confirmed town) , and Cass voting for him

Dice had Amega voting him

And you were voting Calder (confirmed town)

 

In a Amega/me scum scenario me jumping on Calder seems like a counter productive move as it just puts the spot light on me when I wasn't getting much attention.  Trading one scum for another in the early game doesn't seem a smart move.

 

In this scenario moving to Dice would make more sense. 

 

With this addition do you still think I am  likely to be scum with Amega?

 

8.Dragoon (1 of 50)

[Dragoon]

4 hours ago, Katiora said:

 all of town. Trust me if I were mafia it would not have been dice that died. 

 

Out curiosity if you were mafia who would you of picked?

 

8.Dragoon (2 of 50)

[Eldrick4221]

Dice. Was not expecting dice.

It didn't even cross my mind that he would be an option (sorry dice)

 

I thought it would have been between me, as the vocal townie pushing the game toward solving, or darthe because of his comment about revealing, making it sound like he had a PR.

 

I chose wrong, and have wasted my 1x Doc . If there's a cop out there, know that I can't protect you. 

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

34 minutes ago, Dragoon said:

With this addition do you still think I am  likely to be scum with Amega?

 

You're right. With the information that dice is town, the chance of you being scum with Amega has dropped.

 

I also like that you addressed this, and how you went about it. It's something that could have been ignored, but you poked at its holes, and that matters. 

 

Eldrick2 

[Dragoon]

2 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

You're right. With the information that dice is town, the chance of you being scum with Amega has dropped.

 

I also like that you addressed this, and how you went about it. It's something that could have been ignored, but you poked at its holes, and that matters. 

 

Eldrick2 

Cheers

 

8.Dragoon (3 of 50)

[Dragoon]

13 hours ago, Dragoon said:

@Darthe, @dicetosser1 and @Katiora

 

Can you please explain why you all ended up voting for Calder

 

@Eldrick4221 has already explained and it seems fair to me

 

8.Dragoon (20 of 50)

@Darthe hey mate you're the only one that hasn't replied

 

8.Dragoon (4 of 50)

[Dragoon]

11 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Dice. Was not expecting dice.

It didn't even cross my mind that he would be an option (sorry dice)

 

I thought it would have been between me, as the vocal townie pushing the game toward solving, or darthe because of his comment about revealing, making it sound like he had a PR.

 

I chose wrong, and have wasted my 1x Doc . If there's a cop out there, know that I can't protect you. 

 

Eldrick2 

Just to confirm a doc blocks a night kill?

 

In a basic game is it likely to have a doc and a cop?

 

8.Dragoon  (5 of 50) 

[Eldrick4221]

Thank you for explaining, Darthe. I kinda get your POV.

Some of the things I say don't have conviction behind them. I dont always have conviction to back them up, but say it anyway to get my thoughts across. How people feel about them helps me sort out my feelings. But I can see how you might think that's scummy.

 

5 hours ago, Darthe said:

you've a finger in a lot of things which looks like it's too pushy at times, you seem a bit too insightful in moments

 

Not gonna defend how hard I tried to get the game going. It was dead. It was gonna stay dead if nobody did something about that. Call it too pushy if you want.

 

As for being "a bit too insightful", I'm glad I'm doing well enough that you consider it a problem. There's a fine like behind tmi wolf and insightful town. I have good instincts.

 

I liked your reasoning for mass reveal and have revealed. Unfortunately, I wouldn't suggest a max reveal at this point anymore.

 

Now as for my read on you, now that you answered my questions. I didn't really get a townie vibe from them that I was hoping to get. They didn't come off as manipulative, just explanatory, and that's a good thing. As of right now, I dont feel like lynching you.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

5 minutes ago, Dragoon said:

Just to confirm a doc blocks a night kill?

 

In a basic game is it likely to have a doc and a cop?

 

8.Dragoon  (5 of 50) 

 

Yes and yes. Not always a doc but almost always a cop.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

Darthe. You are complaining about not having good leads, but I'm not really seeing much in the way of finding leads. You're saying the thread is dead. 

It feels like you're poking the thread with a stick and saying "Do something."

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

You say you have the feeling that the wolves are running the thread, which is possible. It's possible an active scum is taking advantage of the relative quietness. This is a large part of why I self-protected. The fact that I'm still alive tells me this scenario is unlikely.

It's more likely that the scum is hanging back and letting town run amuck. The more I think about it, your concept of scum running the game feels like a misdirection to draw attention away from those that aren't contributing as much.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

Vote Darthe

 

Where I am now, pending discussion on my recent thoughts.

 

Eldrick2