Tainted Minds - A Black Tower Mafia Game: Game over - Town wins

[Clovdyx]

A FORMAL INVITATION

 

Cory, Nolder & LedZep invite you all cordially to join the Gentled Ben Wagon of Friendship and Tolerance™

 

Will take place at the "Tainted Minds" gallery at The Black Tower. It will begin with drinks & appetizers, followed by a formal lunching ceremony.

 

[v]Gentled Ben[/v]

 

I'm just here for the free apps.

 

I don't think either of you have done anything you couldn't do as scum, but although that makes me paranoid it doesn't make you scum

 

And so far I ~haven't felt the things I tend to when Chris is scum, so it could be that this is town! Chris and it's just been so long since we've been t/t I don't recognise it

 

Chris is playing a mafia game confirmed.

[Niniel]

Most likely to go Ben atm, but I don't know how comfortable I am with it

 

Can´t you just be sure about someone? That way it would be easy for me to just vote with you. You are still my strongest town read.

[Clovdyx]

[unvote]

[Cory Caboose]

75% is 75% (fmpov). that's the rand percentage. it's an open set-up.

 

even if it were closed, that ratio is still typically in the high 60s to mid 70s in the vast majority of games. if you are a villager, the majority of other players are also villagers. the game is literally about an informed minority vs an uninformed majority.

 

how that taints my reads as a concept baffles me. 

[BFG]

 

 

 

So I guess I'm not willing to vote SK.

 

I don't have any strong reasons to not lynch Ben, but the push on him feels wrong

 

But I don't really know where else to go

 

I don't trust Cory or Chris atm, but I'm not sure how much of that is caught up in paranoia

Who are you open to lynching?

I don't know?

Who is completely off the table for today?

DJ

Sooh

 

LZM

Niniel

 

Ugh trying to order a list and ???

 

No real read on Nolder, dice or Ley, I ~like what Marsh posted but need more, I think sk could be town, but it's one of the hardest reads I've ever made, I'm not sensing any agony in Corys game yet, you're you and Ben is fluffy. Cory actually summed up my thoughts on Ben quite well

[Nolder]

 

 

 

Doesn't it make sense to make your reads irregardless of that fact though? What happens when you read mafia?

 

Why would I disregard a fact in a game where I care mostly about being right?

 

It taints your reads imo.

 

Or to be more accurate it makes people seem townier than they actually are to you.

Which kind of makes sense given how you operate tbh.

 

 

What are you even talking about?

 

You try to find townies and find scum in an ever shrinking pool of "unknowns".

I was saying how it kind of makes sense that your reads might skew towards town since that's how you play, you town hunt more than you scum hunt.

[BFG]

 

A FORMAL INVITATION

 

Cory, Nolder & LedZep invite you all cordially to join the Gentled Ben Wagon of Friendship and Tolerance™

 

Will take place at the "Tainted Minds" gallery at The Black Tower. It will begin with drinks & appetizers, followed by a formal lunching ceremony.

[v]Gentled Ben[/v]

 

I'm just here for the free apps.

I don't think either of you have done anything you couldn't do as scum, but although that makes me paranoid it doesn't make you scum

 

And so far I ~haven't felt the things I tend to when Chris is scum, so it could be that this is town! Chris and it's just been so long since we've been t/t I don't recognise it

Chris is playing a mafia game confirmed.

And it doesn't bother you that corys read on you initially was 'town because you're making the reads you'd make as town?' Or words to that affect?

[Cory Caboose]

I don't think I really focus on "town hunting" or "scum hunting". I read the thread and try to make a discernment on each player individually based on their content, and then organize them based on my best/worst feelings.

 

If I "town hunt" more than I "scum hunt", it's probably more likely because the majority of players I am assessing are villagers by default. Cause that's the game.

[Nolder]

75% is 75% (fmpov). that's the rand percentage. it's an open set-up.

 

even if it were closed, that ratio is still typically in the high 60s to mid 70s in the vast majority of games. if you are a villager, the majority of other players are also villagers. the game is literally about an informed minority vs an uninformed majority.

 

how that taints my reads as a concept baffles me. 

You should just ignore the 75% is what I'm trying to say.

Everyone should start at 0 and as the game goes on they fall or rise however they may.

It's how I do things. Maybe I shouldn't try to force that on you though, you seem successful enough doing your own thing.

Just forget it. :P

[Andrej]

Vote Count

SK (3) - Dice, Marsh, Ley
Marsh (1) - Sooh
Ben (3) - Cory, Nolder, LZM
Cory (1) - Ben
Ley (1) - SK

Not Voting: BFG, Clov, Nini, DJ

[Cory Caboose]

I'm not sensing any agony in Corys game yet

 

If agony is a towntell for me in your book, you need to update the book. :P

 

I have my moments, but I've managed to say ~relatively sane my last handful of village games.

[Cory Caboose]

 

75% is 75% (fmpov). that's the rand percentage. it's an open set-up.

 

even if it were closed, that ratio is still typically in the high 60s to mid 70s in the vast majority of games. if you are a villager, the majority of other players are also villagers. the game is literally about an informed minority vs an uninformed majority.

 

how that taints my reads as a concept baffles me. 

You should just ignore the 75% is what I'm trying to say.

Everyone should start at 0 and as the game goes on they fall or rise however they may.

It's how I do things. Maybe I shouldn't try to force that on you though, you seem successful enough doing your own thing.

Just forget it. :P

 

 

Ah, the Red2111 approach to readmaking

[Cory Caboose]

Nolder, you lack imagination. Everyone still start at null in my book, since I get to define what "null" means. 

[Niniel]

I skimmed Clov´s posts. I can still see a possible connection between Clov and Ben. 

 

Does Clov usually post this much when he is mafia? 

[Nolder]

Red and I used to butt heads a lot but we probably had more in common than we ever discussed.

[Cory Caboose]

I skimmed Clov´s posts. I can still see a possible connection between Clov and Ben. 

 

Does Clov usually post this much when he is mafia? 

 

Some analysis on the differences between Clov's town and mafia games:

 

 

 

[Cory Caboose]

Red and I used to butt heads a lot but we probably had more in common than we ever discussed.

Is one of them CTE?

[Clovdyx]

DJ

Sooh

 

LZM

Niniel

 

Ugh trying to order a list and ???

 

No real read on Nolder, dice or Ley, I ~like what Marsh posted but need more, I think sk could be town, but it's one of the hardest reads I've ever made, I'm not sensing any agony in Corys game yet, you're you and Ben is fluffy. Cory actually summed up my thoughts on Ben quite well

 

 

Okay.  I'm with you on a lot of that and have already said what I have to say about Ben/SK.  Please explain LZM to me, because you're the third person I'm at least remotely comfortable with who has said he's a townread and I don't understand what the hell I'm missing.  

 

And it doesn't bother you that corys read on you initially was 'town because you're making the reads you'd make as town?' Or words to that affect?

 

 

If that's what he had said, absolutely.  But it wasn't.

 

 

 

Cory can you talk through your read on Chris? 

 

I think he'd be making the reads he's made as a villager, liked some of his back and forth with me earlier, no issue with any of his content

 

Admittedly doesn't mean much

 

 

 

Prior to that, he said maybe I'm town.  Do I think that read is completely unique to his town game, and he would have said something vastly different as mafia?  No, he's a good player and knows what to say as scum.  Do I think that read is completely unique to his mafia game, and he would have said something vastly different as town?  No, he's a good player and knows what he would say as town so he knows what to say as scum.

 

I would have been concerned if he had come in and declared me the towniest person in the game and was looking to get everyone to follow my lead.  I would have been equally concerned if he had come in, decided I was obvious scum, and prepared to thunderdome me (side note: I would have accepted, and I would have swiftly ripped his spine out and beat him with it.)  

 

There was an incredibly small amount of concern when he promptly said me expecting more from him is more likely to come from me as scum because it was such a quick, sudden change.  That being said, I have no problem with him taking a step back and re-evaluating me and essentially giving me room to evaluate him as the phase went on.

 

 

I would back you in that he hasn't done anything he couldn't do as scum, but...has he done anything he wouldn't do as town?  Has he done anything overtly and directly scummy?  For me, no and no.  And I'm not going to push a strong player on D1 for what boils down to "not being out of their scum range" when their scum range is more or less anything.  He might not be at the top of my townlist, but he's sure as hell not as the bottom.

 

 

Cory can you talk through your read on Chris? 

 

I think he'd be making the reads he's made as a villager, liked some of his back and forth with me earlier, no issue with any of his content

 

Admittedly doesn't mean much

 

[Cory Caboose]

Before I get reported, that was a concussion joke, not me making fun of Nolder

 

see all my other posts for me making fun of Nolder

 

<3

[Niniel]

Cory, what page are you on now?

[Niniel]

I miss Sooh.

[Cory Caboose]

Cory, what page are you on now?

 

23. I doubt I get all the way through before EoD, but at this point I'm mostly rereading stuff I read live

[Cory Caboose]

I doubt I move my vote further today

[Niniel]

I will need to go to bed soon. Will wait a few more minutes. Will probably vote Ben. 

[Niniel]

 

Cory, what page are you on now?

 

23. I doubt I get all the way through before EoD, but at this point I'm mostly rereading stuff I read live

 

 

Okay. Can you give a quick list.