The Mafia Parable: Basic Game OVER

[RandA lThor]

 

Reads & Reasons Why Players Might be Scum

by

Me

 

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1. Verbal32 - Found it odd he didn't vote D1. Very unhelpful in terms of creating a record to stand on.

2. Ironeyes - Didn't love his reversal on Rand.3. DreadPirateRoberts - Towniest Townie that ever Towned. 4. Clovdyx - Made some good points so far. 5. Gentled Ben - Playing the newbie card up a more than I'd like to see. Terrible instincts?6. LedZepMan - Town Vanilla7. Shitsure Kamimashita - Started game as an active solver. Slowly faded into background after the fingers started pointing.8. Adella - Town 1x Vigilante9. Nynaeve - Felt okay about her until last night. But, her unnecessary personal attacks and lack of game solving points looks bad.10. Sooh - Hasn't really struck me one way or another. She has been open about not enjoying playing as scum before, but she was more stressed about it then. Null.11. Hallia - Town Vanilla12. RandA lThor - Strongest scum read. I don't buy anything he's selling. I've made mutltiple points, and as those are stacking up. Along with yesterday's points, his fit at EoD felt contrived, as did his profanity "slip" and faux outrage. His logic regarding scum skipping the NK is just a disaster. 

 

[v] Rand [/v]

 

 

 

Aight lets do this for fun.  Besides it being suspicious that I didn't remember how the CoC worked and that I have a problem with unconsciously swearing, what other "multiple points" do you have against me?  I see that you said fit at EoD and faux outrage (though I'm assuming the second is connected to the swearing thing), but what fit at EoD are you talking about?  And my logic regarding scum skipping the NK is a disaster, yet you took 0 time to even argue against it?  Why wouldn't scum skip their NK?

  

 

Here I made a quick rebuttal to DPR's reasons, asking him to explain why my "logic was a disaster", to clarify what he was referring to in my fit at EoD and faux outrage.

 

 

 

 

Reads & Reasons Why Players Might be Scum

by

Me

 

...

 

1. Verbal32 - Found it odd he didn't vote D1. Very unhelpful in terms of creating a record to stand on.

2. Ironeyes - Didn't love his reversal on Rand.3. DreadPirateRoberts - Towniest Townie that ever Towned. 4. Clovdyx - Made some good points so far. 5. Gentled Ben - Playing the newbie card up a more than I'd like to see. Terrible instincts?6. LedZepMan - Town Vanilla7. Shitsure Kamimashita - Started game as an active solver. Slowly faded into background after the fingers started pointing.8. Adella - Town 1x Vigilante9. Nynaeve - Felt okay about her until last night. But, her unnecessary personal attacks and lack of game solving points looks bad.10. Sooh - Hasn't really struck me one way or another. She has been open about not enjoying playing as scum before, but she was more stressed about it then. Null.11. Hallia - Town Vanilla12. RandA lThor - Strongest scum read. I don't buy anything he's selling. I've made mutltiple points, and as those are stacking up. Along with yesterday's points, his fit at EoD felt contrived, as did his profanity "slip" and faux outrage. His logic regarding scum skipping the NK is just a disaster. 

 

[v] Rand [/v]

 

 

 

Aight lets do this for fun.  Besides it being suspicious that I didn't remember how the CoC worked and that I have a problem with unconsciously swearing, what other "multiple points" do you have against me?  I see that you said fit at EoD and faux outrage (though I'm assuming the second is connected to the swearing thing), but what fit at EoD are you talking about?  And my logic regarding scum skipping the NK is a disaster, yet you took 0 time to even argue against it?  Why wouldn't scum skip their NK?

Right, the whole thing seemed contrived, that whole D1 CoC non-issue that he kept harping on, then i don't see multiple points either, but I do see him sniping with Nyn, which is just a lot to scroll through.

 

Also, to DPR, I am on my third game, and this is the first time I've ever survived D1 (a mislynch and a vig kill), and I've only ever been vanilla town, so both: I am a newbie with terrible instincts, and I was driving at EoD of D1, or I would have voted (and for Adella, so I would have been wrong), but I am feeling good about this instinct: [v]DPR[/v]

 

Prepare to be disappointed.

  

 

Not only does he never respond to my points, even when someone else supports the legitimacy of the question, he just shrugs it off with "Lol, "insert generic phrase".

 

 

 

I should add that Ben's lack of vote on D1 is terrible as Well.

 

My scumpool is Rand, Nyn, Ben with second tier Verb and March

 

 

This is hilarious coming from the guy that wasn't around on DL to vote and had their vote on a train with only them on it, essentially having the same use as someone who didn't vote at all.

 

Well, as I said before, it's silly to think that everyone will be around at DL. 

 

As far as usefulness goes, I've created a clear record of my observations. My vote was on my top pick for scum. Still is.

 

That might not seem like much compared to a non-vote and lots of null reads and camping stories, but it is what it is.

And as I said, you can let people know if you wont be around. And sure its more than no vote, but equally as useless at DL

[Eldrick4221]

Was my timer accurate?

[Gentled Ben]

Yeah, when is DL?

[RandA lThor]

If I remember correctly, DL is tomorrow at 8 AM PST, which is 20 hours and like 2 minutes from now

[Eldrick4221]

Yeah, when is DL?

 

OP says 48 hour days. My timer is based on that info. Should follow that until corrected by Darthe.

[Eldrick4221]

Rise and shine, we've a story to tell.  Onward you must go, to destiny, but unfortunately one will never come to join you.  I'd like to apologize for that, it's quite a grim thing it appears that LedZepMan, town vanilla has died.  That is much too grim, how about we lighten the mood with a little music?

 

 

CLICK HERE TO LIGHTEN MOOD.

 

 

Much better!  Now, how many do we have left?  One, two three... Six, Seven... Nine...  Nine?  Hmm, we're missing one.  Well, Adella, Town 1x Vigilante is dead too I suppose, but don't worry.  I won't hold it against you.

 

You monsters.

 

 

Shall we continue?

 

When day started. 48 hours from here until told otherwise.

[Eldrick4221]

It was at this time that the group decided they would vote for Sooh.

 

Sooh (∞): Everybody

[Gentled Ben]

 

It was at this time that the group decided they would vote for Sooh.

 

Sooh (∞): Everybody

 

Man, she'd better plead a good case in the next 19 1/2 hours, then.

[BFG]

First!

[BFG]

Hello friends <3

[BFG]

I'm in a different time zone to normal so may not overlap with anyone much (this would be the game Dice isn't playing )

 

I'm probably not going to get chance to read through properly before end of day, but will dip in and out as I have chance, if I ask things that have been covered please point me in that direction :)

[BFG]

 

 

It was at this time that the group decided they would vote for Sooh.

Sooh (∞): Everybody

Man, she'd better plead a good case in the next 19 1/2 hours, then.

What's your read on Sooh at the moment?

[BFG]

Marsh (think it was you ) when you voted hallia you said you've seen her tune out as scum before, how much experience do you have with town/mafia Hallia?

[BFG]

Got to run, I'll be back when I can :)

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

 

It was at this time that the group decided they would vote for Sooh.

Sooh (∞): Everybody

Man, she'd better plead a good case in the next 19 1/2 hours, then.

What's your read on Sooh at the moment?

 

She hasn't been very active, or at least, her posts have mostly been checking in sorts of things. I haven't seen much analysis from her, so I had been leaning towards lurking scum, but since she is asking for a replacement, maybe she has just been busy. If she quits, maybe I can get a better read on her replacement.

[RandA lThor]

Damn this is a huge stretch of inactivity, for the last ~10 hours BFG and Ben are the only users that have posted, and that was the main portion of the day (at least for US folk).  Still waiting for DPR to respond to my questions.

 

Don't know what else to expand on besides that, nothings really happened to make my reads change.  I want to do a reread on some people especially, but don't have the time right now, hopefully I can get that started up tonight or tomorrow.

[Nynaeve]

Hi bfg

[Nynaeve]

Honestly kinda want to vote sooh

[Gentled Ben]

Honestly kinda want to vote sooh

Why? 

[Eldrick4221]

Vote Count (2.1):

 

Rand (1/5): DPR

DPR (2/5): Rand, Ben

Marsh (1/5): SK

 

Not voting (5/9):

Nyn, Marsh, Sooh, Clov, Verb

 

(Countdown based on 48 hour days. Unconfirmed end time)

No change.

[Eldrick4221]

Just realized there's only 9 alive.

 

>.>

 

<.<

 

Totals fixed.

[Nynaeve]

 

Honestly kinda want to vote sooh

Why?

Because she started off weird, did close to nothing compared to her usual town game, threw around a couple of times comments about how shooting her would be a bad idea.... and then subbed out.

[DPR]

@DPR give me your best reason for why Rand is scum I will try to prove to you why I think he is town if you are open to it.

 

 

So, I've raised points and put them on record. I've been as clear as I can about them and am happy to explain any point further if their is confusion. Other than that, they just go into the observation category, right?

 

Rand is in no danger of being lynched, so no need for you to take up his case? I understand why he would respond to my points, but I'm a bit leery of why you feel the need to debate them.

 

Given your observations on Clov, Sooh & Marsh, I would think that you would want to discuss them more - maybe ISO them. Not clog the thread up with a debate on Rand - that will sort itself out in time. 

 

Your vote is on Marsh. I've listed Marsh as an outside pick for scum. Let's talk about your points on Marsh.

[DPR]

 

Reads & Reasons Why Players Might be Scum

by

Me

 

...

 

1. Verbal32 - Found it odd he didn't vote D1. Very unhelpful in terms of creating a record to stand on.

2. Ironeyes - Didn't love his reversal on Rand.

 

3. DreadPirateRoberts - Towniest Townie that ever Towned. 

 

4. Clovdyx - Made some good points so far. 

 

5. Gentled Ben - Playing the newbie card up a more than I'd like to see. Terrible instincts?

 

6. LedZepMan - Town Vanilla

 

7. Shitsure Kamimashita - Started game as an active solver. Slowly faded into background after the fingers started pointing.

 

8. Adella - Town 1x Vigilante

 

9. Nynaeve - Felt okay about her until last night. But, her unnecessary personal attacks and lack of game solving points looks bad.

 

10. Sooh - Hasn't really struck me one way or another. She has been open about not enjoying playing as scum before, but she was more stressed about it then. Null.

 

11. Hallia - Town Vanilla

 

12. RandA lThor - Strongest scum read. I don't buy anything he's selling. I've made mutltiple points, and as those are stacking up. Along with yesterday's points, his fit at EoD felt contrived, as did his profanity "slip" and faux outrage. His logic regarding scum skipping the NK is just a disaster. 

 

[v] Rand [/v]

 

 

Aight lets do this for fun.  Besides it being suspicious that I didn't remember how the CoC worked and that I have a problem with unconsciously swearing, what other "multiple points" do you have against me?  I see that you said fit at EoD and faux outrage (though I'm assuming the second is connected to the swearing thing), but what fit at EoD are you talking about?  And my logic regarding scum skipping the NK is a disaster, yet you took 0 time to even argue against it?  Why wouldn't scum skip their NK?

 

 

 

Here ya go pumpkin:

 

1. You joined this PG-13 site when you were about 13, right? And stayed and played mafia for several years, right? Been my experience that everyone is aware of the PG-13 rule - it gets highlighted at least once per game and DM is somewhat unique (at least on the boards I've been on) with that rule. 

 

But you "forgot" it.

 

Okay. 

 

Magically, you have an amazing memory concerning player's habits. That means you forgot DM had a language code, but you remembered smallish details about Verbal and others. 

 

Okay...

 

But then you push it with swearing again on thread, because once again, you just keep forgetting that darn PG-13 rule? And you call it "unconscious swearing", which implies that this happens frequently? It's not game related per say, but I am curious, do you "unconsciously swear" often? Like, in a thesis paper... "The Impact of The F***ing Visigoths During the F***ing Migration Period by Rand F***ing AlThor". Or is it more casual? "Dear Mom & Dad, having a great f***ing time at school! Love, Rand"

 

Thing is, swears convey emotional attachment. That's why people use them. And by conveying emotional attachment in this game, you accomplish a couple of things: you create an air of believability and earnestness and you also to raise the stakes in attacks on your points - kind of like "you don't want to go there with me".

 

These make excellent places for scum to hide. That's what I think you're probably doing. Or, alternatively, we've discovered that you have Tourretet's Syndrome and now you can begin recovery, saving you years of embarrassment on job applications and rsvp's. Win-win.

 

2. And that's where the faux outrage and rahrahrah observations feed in. You notice how you're the only one talking about being around at DL? It's because it's not realistic for everyone to be there, so they just vote. Everybody knows this, so you making a big deal out of people not being around and trying to rally at the end is very likely an attempt to appear super duper townish.

 

You like to use emotion to influence people's opinion of you. It's a decent technique - it's effective as long as nobody pokes holes in the logic of it.

 

So far I've pointed out the possibility that you're using this technique. Your responses to my suss lead me to believe I'm right because a player that wasn't doing it would respond with "whatevs" and not worry about it. You flinched. 

 

3. As for your logic disastrophe, there is no scenario where scum skips their NK on N1. It's a time-bomb setup... they have to knock off as many townies as possible as soon as possible to win. 

 

Anyone looking for a creative way for scum to skip a NK is most likely scum - nobody else would have reason to think like that. 

 

That's why I took 0 time to talk about, and neither did anyone else. 

 

We good now?

[Darthe]

Hey let's bump dl back three hours today to accommodate my schedule and give this absentee thread a bit of time to find its footing.