Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[Cory Caboose]

 

Spades ask me some questions

What are your thoughts on Darthe/Eldrick this game compared to the last game I played in with them?

 

I'm finding both of them to be very different from that game. Do you think I'm right in being concerned about Eldrick not seeming to having original thoughts?

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/101142-sailor-moon-mafia-advanced-game-thread/page-16?do=findComment&comment=3822227

 

good post from eldrick, vibes have been positive, have him greenish

 

darthe felt pretty good in real time interaction but he's great at faking that. gonna need to see internal gears churning to really have a confident read either way

[bopolis]

 

 

 

So I perused a bit of scruffington's games on MU( a light game and a champs game) And the first few pages of a game on his homesite(battlestar galactica). From what I can tell random day 1 voting isnt a thing but scruffington was freely throwing his vote around as a way to apply pressure but with reason. He also doesnt list the reason in the same post he votes always. He'll either already be sussing the person(in bsg he was critical of someone then later voted) or he quoted a post of someone with a vote and later explained he didn't like the post

 

In this scenario youre describing above in Bold I guessing he was Town?

 

Do you have an issue with this?

 

 What would I have an issue with?

 

and yes, he was town

[bopolis]

cory where are you in your catchup?

[Ironeyes]

 

 

[v]IronEyes[/v]

I never understood why so many people capitalize the "e" in my name. 

 

Also it'd be great if you could delineate the reasoning behind this vote a little more. 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm off to bed. 

 

Gngn <3

 

You should stay.

 

But whyyyyyyy?? 

 

<3

 

 

So you can tell me what you think about Iron's progress IRT you.  He was null in the original reads list, and now you're just above us....despite...

 

 

 

Iron - you were null on Sooh.  What do you think about my explanation?

I think it's solid, and it town spews her pretty hard. I just can't see any scum being subtle and bold enough to "soft CC" a character claim that way. 

 

 

How the heck does that fail to make sense to you? I didn't have anything good to read her on, but when you laid out the explanation for why she reacted to Ted's claim the way she did, it made sense to me and made me think she must be town. So I moved her up the list. 

 

Where is the inconsistency in that? 

[Clovdyx]

In terms of what do you mean? His explanation here or how close to the list it came?

 

 

Just your reaction to it.  It's a pretty big inconsistency to say you're "town spewed pretty hard" because you did something mafia just wouldn't do, to being a slight town read, in the matter of an hour.  I don't buy that he just forgot the whole exchange happened.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

I'm off to bed. 

 

Gngn <3

 

You should stay.

 

But whyyyyyyy?? 

 

<3

 

 

 

 

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

Bop, did you ever say what you liked about Darthe? I know you mentioned Iron earlier but can't remember if you mentioned him.

straight tone, presence.

 

Last time i played with him he was a wolf and he was not at all present and when he posted on day 1 it was some awkward thing that i villa read him for incorrectly. While he has been present in this game and i've liked his tone, i think his actual content is lacking. By content i'm saying analysis of whats going on in the game.

 

One thing i commented on liking was him talking about his scruffy vote which wasn't about scruffy but was more mechanical talk about how to use your vote. I liked/agreed with the talk but i don't think it makes him more or less likely to be a villager since its easy to talk about things like that as a wolf. However since i've liked his tone/presence compared to the last game im not gettign on his ass about things and instead i want to see what he does without people pressuring him to do things they think are villagy then re-evaluate at a later point(that being the end of day or the night phase depending on what happens in the game.

I agree about his lack of content - I know he has a lot of posts, and I know I've seen him posting a lot, but nothing he's said has really stuck with me. I couldn't tell you a single thought he's really contributed off the top of my head. I just don't know if it means anything because I've seen him do it multiple times as town (at least early on).

 

"Disagree" on tone. I've read several posts that come across as....slimy? I guess...to me. I won't pretend to be able to effectively toneread him, but it's been something that's just kind of pinged.

I'm with you on the tone. I can't really pinpoint what it is but he just seems... shady? I'm glad I'm not the only one picking up some weird funk from him.

 

But I feel like I'm not qualified to even try to read someone like Darthe.

Interesting that both of you seem to be getting an opposite impression of his posts from me. My only way to read darthe is by scaling him on manipulativity.

 

That isn't a word, is it...

 

Anyway, if I see him trying too hard to control the game, that pings. Town!Derf is kinda laid back and comments on what he feels like commenting on. He doesn't mind letting people do as they like.

It's not so much what he's posting and more how he's speaking that gives me a weird feel from him. Not sure how to take someone not really contributing new ideas as a town thing, but again, I don't know that I could read him regardless. I only played one game with him and Cory was convinced he was Town. He was controlling a bit but asking questions and making good points, then after D1 he disappeared O: So we'll see?

What sort of new idea could I contribute that would make you comroftable? Ive not got my bag of tricks with me but I can tapdance if thats what it really takes.

[Ironeyes]

 

In terms of what do you mean? His explanation here or how close to the list it came?

 

 

Just your reaction to it.  It's a pretty big inconsistency to say you're "town spewed pretty hard" because you did something mafia just wouldn't do, to being a slight town read, in the matter of an hour.  I don't buy that he just forgot the whole exchange happened.

I moved her up to my second read, aside from mod-cleared ones. Again, where on earth is the inconsistency? This case is sounding faker by the minute.

[Clovdyx]

How the heck does that fail to make sense to you? I didn't have anything good to read her on, but when you laid out the explanation for why she reacted to Ted's claim the way she did, it made sense to me and made me think she must be town. So I moved her up the list. 

 

Where is the inconsistency in that? 

 

 

It's not that you moved her up.  That's to be expected.  It's your placement I have an issue with.

 

I get not having her beneath yourself.  I get not having her beneath the person that is moderator-confirmed town.  But if you feel THAT strongly about it, I don't get having another townread over her (unless you have something incredibly substantial for them that I've missed?), and I don't get putting her where you did in terms of categories.

[Cory Caboose]

cory where are you in your catchup?

 

page 16, eating dinner currently

 

ordered hibachi :thumbsup:

[Darthe]

 

 

Spades ask me some questions

What are your thoughts on Darthe/Eldrick this game compared to the last game I played in with them?

 

I'm finding both of them to be very different from that game. Do you think I'm right in being concerned about Eldrick not seeming to having original thoughts?

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/101142-sailor-moon-mafia-advanced-game-thread/page-16?do=findComment&comment=3822227

 

good post from eldrick, vibes have been positive, have him greenish

 

darthe felt pretty good in real time interaction but he's great at faking that. gonna need to see internal gears churning to really have a confident read either way

Cory sempai called me great at something! No takebacks!

[Sooh]

 

In terms of what do you mean? His explanation here or how close to the list it came?

 

 

Just your reaction to it.  It's a pretty big inconsistency to say you're "town spewed pretty hard" because you did something mafia just wouldn't do, to being a slight town read, in the matter of an hour.  I don't buy that he just forgot the whole exchange happened.

 

Idk. Could be you're right and he's just going with what appears to be current consensus, but it could also be that he was working from memory and I'm not sure if your whole post on it came before his reads or not. If it came before, did he read it before posting, or was he working from memory?

 

There are so many what-ifs in this scenario that I feel it's complicated to get a proper read from it. His reaction to you just above here is much easier to use to form a read. 

[Cory Caboose]

Sooh what's your read on me (just me, not Clov)

[Spadeszee]

 

 

Spades ask me some questions

What are your thoughts on Darthe/Eldrick this game compared to the last game I played in with them?

 

I'm finding both of them to be very different from that game. Do you think I'm right in being concerned about Eldrick not seeming to having original thoughts?

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/101142-sailor-moon-mafia-advanced-game-thread/page-16?do=findComment&comment=3822227

 

good post from eldrick, vibes have been positive, have him greenish

 

darthe felt pretty good in real time interaction but he's great at faking that. gonna need to see internal gears churning to really have a confident read either way

 

 

What to you think about my reads list?

 

I don't believe you've made a comprehensive one yet, would really like to see what you have to bring to the table so far and if you have any new/ different perspectives.

[Sooh]

I'm not voting for Darthe today. I'm enjoying him way too much. 

 

Is he mafia? tbd. 

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

 

Spades ask me some questions

What are your thoughts on Darthe/Eldrick this game compared to the last game I played in with them?

 

I'm finding both of them to be very different from that game. Do you think I'm right in being concerned about Eldrick not seeming to having original thoughts?

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/101142-sailor-moon-mafia-advanced-game-thread/page-16?do=findComment&comment=3822227

 

good post from eldrick, vibes have been positive, have him greenish

 

darthe felt pretty good in real time interaction but he's great at faking that. gonna need to see internal gears churning to really have a confident read either way

 

 

What to you think about my reads list?

 

I don't believe you've made a comprehensive one yet, would really like to see what you have to bring to the table so far and if you have any new/ different perspectives.

 

 

i try to post where i'm at every ~20 pages or so

 

i'll lyk when i'm at your readslist

[Clovdyx]

Idk. Could be you're right and he's just going with what appears to be current consensus, but it could also be that he was working from memory and I'm not sure if your whole post on it came before his reads or not. If it came before, did he read it before posting, or was he working from memory?

 

There are so many what-ifs in this scenario that I feel it's complicated to get a proper read from it. His reaction to you just above here is much easier to use to form a read. 

 

 

He could be, but I would expect - and hope - he can remember a read he gave out two hours before (and what led to it).

[Ironeyes]

 

How the heck does that fail to make sense to you? I didn't have anything good to read her on, but when you laid out the explanation for why she reacted to Ted's claim the way she did, it made sense to me and made me think she must be town. So I moved her up the list. 

 

Where is the inconsistency in that? 

 

 

It's not that you moved her up.  That's to be expected.  It's your placement I have an issue with.

 

I get not having her beneath yourself.  I get not having her beneath the person that is moderator-confirmed town.  But if you feel THAT strongly about it, I don't get having another townread over her (unless you have something incredibly substantial for them that I've missed?), and I don't get putting her where you did in terms of categories.

 

I don't see much of a difference between this: 

 

Spadebop 

Sooh

Cordyx

 

and this: 

 

Spadebop

Sooh

Cordyx

 

since the order is what matters. And the reason she's below Spadebop is because I'm more confident in my read on Spades, which was made under my own power and by my own observation, than in my read on Sooh, which was made with your influence. Even though I'm town reading you I can't rule out the possibility that I'm wrong and you're manipulating me. 

[Sooh]

Sooh what's your read on me (just me, not Clov)

So far so good. Am I confident you're not mafia? No, not yet. Can I get there before D1 is done? Probably. Leaning town for now.

[Ironeyes]

 

 

In terms of what do you mean? His explanation here or how close to the list it came?

 

 

Just your reaction to it.  It's a pretty big inconsistency to say you're "town spewed pretty hard" because you did something mafia just wouldn't do, to being a slight town read, in the matter of an hour.  I don't buy that he just forgot the whole exchange happened.

 

Idk. Could be you're right and he's just going with what appears to be current consensus, but it could also be that he was working from memory and I'm not sure if your whole post on it came before his reads or not. If it came before, did he read it before posting, or was he working from memory?

 

There are so many what-ifs in this scenario that I feel it's complicated to get a proper read from it. His reaction to you just above here is much easier to use to form a read. 

I'm always working from memory. I play this game stream-of-consciousness. 

[Cory Caboose]

 

Eldrick, do you think you need to read me this game?

Of course not. She asked what my experience was with everybody. You're part of everybody lol

 

 

eldrick is adorable this game i approve

[Zander?]

 

Iron - you were null on Sooh.  What do you think about my explanation?

I think it's solid, and it town spews her pretty hard. I just can't see any scum being subtle and bold enough to "soft CC" a character claim that way. 

 

 

Is it just me or is anyone else bothered by the use of the word spewed here?!?!??!?

 

 

 

I wouldn't say his "effort" would necessarily be on the same level, but people generally do what they know.

 

Makes sense.

 

 

 

Well, hopefully both Scruffington, Aquilla and Ted (and Cuth) will show up and give us some more content soon. 

 

I'll repeat: You are not locked to your reads. If you think somebody has done a towny thing, even if it's just one small thing, it's better for you to say it so we have something to read you by. Likewise if you think somebody has done a scummy thing. 

 

Pretty please?

 

 

If those name which would be most likely Scum and why?

 

 

 

That meta on Darthe is honestly like a year and a half outdated Z

 

He's pretty hard to predict these days

 

 

Its worked somewhat well for me recently....but either way....wanna lunch him up anyways?!?!?!

 

 

 

Way too lazy to update my notes, soo just going to wing it. Going in order of player list. 

 

Cory/Clov- Null, but could easily go slight town on. Cory's giving off an excitement to play that I tend to associate with his town games. I said before I don't think Scum!Clov openly gives Eldrick a town read. I also don't know that he'd go through the trouble of explaining his thoughts regarding Ted/Sooh character claim ordeal. Still need to see more before I can feel really comfy putting them as town though. 

 

Sooh- I can not see her being scum in this game. I thought she was hinting at her character when Ted claimed, the confirmation puts her pretty solid in my town bean bag chairs. I just can't see scum being that bold D1, plus she's been the voice of reason which is something I associate with Sooh as a person. Case in point explaining herself to Spades, trying to calm Z down, giving Scruffington a chance. 

 

Eldrick- Pretty firmly null. He's made some comments I like, but nothing that's particularly made me go mm yeah he's townie or scum. I still don't feel like he's fully in the game. Clov seems really confident that Eld is town, and I know he has a great track record of reading Eldrick so if I get a full town vibe on Cordyx I may sheep the Eldrick read. *shrug*

 

Bop/Spade- I think it'd be really hard to keep up the aggressive game solvey posts they've being doing. Especially as a hydra. I think at some point there'd be like a slip that'd kill the momentum. I've been pretty in line with their thoughts and they can sit on the townie bean bags, but kind of away from Sooh in case the three decide to get fighty again.

 

Zander- I'm really going back and forth on Z. I've heard a lot about his meta but I've never experienced it myself. If what I heard is true, it'd be really hard to keep up as scum. That being said, I don't feel like he's been trying to solve. I don't know if that's because he's town and feels confident he caught scum in bop and spades or if he's scum and just needs to look like he's trying to find scum. Regardless, the circle that resulted from it didn't really feel productive to me at all. We asked him to back off, and he did and made a comment about getting crap for asking questions. I have no problem with asking questions, but my problem with this is the fact that the questions were answered, and then repeatedly asked over and over again with little content today on anyone else. He gave a reads list, but it felt safe to me. 

 

Cuth- ????

 

Darthe- Darthe's actually felt like a bit of a voice of reason this game and I don't know what to do with it. He seems chill, and I've liked some of the posts he's made recently... but nothing to really move him out of Null for me.

 

Ted Bundy- Null... The claim drop really doesn't mean much to me this game since we know mafia has fake claims. 

 

Ironeyes- I want to ISO Marsh. I've no clue how to read him from the one? game we've played together. His posts seem.. safe... I don't really know how to expand on it more than this. Like they're okay but maybe a little calculated? Eh. Need to marinate on this more. 

 

Aquilla- ????

 

Scruffington- I almost kind of want to unvote him to give him a chance, but the fact that he's very clearly not read the thread is driving me insane. So I guess I need to figure out does Scum dare not read the thread or does town? 

 

Linz what do you think of my catch up thus far?

 

Do you have any questions for the Zander?!?!!?!?

[Spadeszee]

 

What sort of new idea could I contribute that would make you comroftable? Ive not got my bag of tricks with me but I can tapdance if thats what it really takes.

 

That's on you, not on me :P

 

I don't want you to just pull things out of your butt for the sake of it, obviously. You just haven't really stood out to me so far as gamesolvey.

I have you in neutral, so it's not like I think your behavior is bad. I'm trying to figure you out and your actions aren't speaking to me.

[Sooh]

 

Idk. Could be you're right and he's just going with what appears to be current consensus, but it could also be that he was working from memory and I'm not sure if your whole post on it came before his reads or not. If it came before, did he read it before posting, or was he working from memory?

 

There are so many what-ifs in this scenario that I feel it's complicated to get a proper read from it. His reaction to you just above here is much easier to use to form a read. 

 

 

He could be, but I would expect - and hope - he can remember a read he gave out two hours before (and what led to it).

 

I'm at *shrug* and would like something more substantial to read him on if I'm going to suss him. I will go into more ISO and rereading tomorrow though, so I'll keep you posted.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

How the heck does that fail to make sense to you? I didn't have anything good to read her on, but when you laid out the explanation for why she reacted to Ted's claim the way she did, it made sense to me and made me think she must be town. So I moved her up the list. 

 

Where is the inconsistency in that? 

 

 

It's not that you moved her up.  That's to be expected.  It's your placement I have an issue with.

 

I get not having her beneath yourself.  I get not having her beneath the person that is moderator-confirmed town.  But if you feel THAT strongly about it, I don't get having another townread over her (unless you have something incredibly substantial for them that I've missed?), and I don't get putting her where you did in terms of categories.

 

I don't see much of a difference between this: 

 

Spadebop 

Sooh

Cordyx

 

and this: 

 

Spadebop

Sooh

Cordyx

 

since the order is what matters. And the reason she's below Spadebop is because I'm more confident in my read on Spades, which was made under my own power and by my own observation, than in my read on Sooh, which was made with your influence. Even though I'm town reading you I can't rule out the possibility that I'm wrong and you're manipulating me. 

 

 

Then you have no idea what "townspewed herself" means (which probably sounds a lot worse than intended, which is not meant to be insulting or rude at all).  But fair enough.