[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[Shanti]

 

OK so, in regards to the BFG claim, I am really probably not the best to weigh in on that as I believe her. Maybe its because I'm new and my very first game was thought to be basic, but there was a 1 shot role that tried to use it, got blocked, and got to use it again..everyone said thats not typical of the mod to do....so at this point, I can't sit here and believe that mod wouldn't throw in a twist such as that ESPECIALLY since no crazy roles have been revealed so far. IIRC..people were saying Tigs being who she said she was, wasn't likely, yet here we are.

 

As far as DPR pushing, I can't really say much in the way of him voting Shad, because me having the stance on BFG, most logical vote to me right now, is Shad. Not because Shad is pushing for BFG lynch, but because as I was reading the exchange between Dice, DPR, and Shad it truly seemed as if Dice and Shad had taken on the roles as bad cop, good cop, to guide DPR to a BFG lynch.  As to why he is voting Shad but still going on and on and on about BFG, he's still tunneled on BFG and her reveal and it seems an attempt to stop tunneling so hard, but I feel that he and Shad both are quite worked up at this point and a step back will do them both some good. 

 

 

 

 

OK so, in regards to the BFG claim, I am really probably not the best to weigh in on that as I believe her. Maybe its because I'm new and my very first game was thought to be basic, but there was a 1 shot role that tried to use it, got blocked, and got to use it again..everyone said thats not typical of the mod to do....so at this point, I can't sit here and believe that mod wouldn't throw in a twist such as that ESPECIALLY since no crazy roles have been revealed so far. IIRC..people were saying Tigs being who she said she was, wasn't likely, yet here we are.

 

As far as DPR pushing, I can't really say much in the way of him voting Shad, because me having the stance on BFG, most logical vote to me right now, is Shad. Not because Shad is pushing for BFG lynch, but because as I was reading the exchange between Dice, DPR, and Shad it truly seemed as if Dice and Shad had taken on the roles as bad cop, good cop, to guide DPR to a BFG lynch. As to why he is voting Shad but still going on and on and on about BFG, he's still tunneled on BFG and her reveal and it seems an attempt to stop tunneling so hard, but I feel that he and Shad both are quite worked up at this point and a step back will do them both some good.

Can you go into more detail on that? It read to me like dpr did that all on his own.

 

 

Yeah, let me see if I can find it. Gimme a minute.

 

 

You find it? That's a tough sell.

 

I'm considering a bfg lynch.

 

Worst case scenario she is Survivor and we go into a regular 5v2

 

Best case scenario she's scum.

 

We know she isn't town. I seriously don't think she's scum, and would obviously rather lynch scum. If we are able to lynch scum today and tomorrow and she's able to win with us, that would be the best route.

 

But today has been focused around her and is detracting from scum hunting.

 

I swear I've heard this before... but where?

 

 

Shanti. What you you think about what I said about it being unlikely that the team is dice/shad/nyn

 

How dice would have called out one teammate for the wolf head thing and defended the other. Do you see scum drawing attention to their whole team like that right off the bat?

 

I think that they couldn't control nyn, she was a wildcard. So I believe they intended to distance from the get go so that if things started crashing and burning, it'd be harder to prove their scummates. 

 

See, I'm a skeptical person so yes I see them drawing attention to their whole team right off the bat, because its the perfect way to hide in plain sight.

 

I don't think they expected Nyn to be so hard to handle, though, personally.

 

 

 

This is a completely inaccurate representation of Nyn. Just sayin'.

 

 

Maybe I'm biased because I just point blank didn't like her, but she did NOT seem to be trying to work with ANYONE including her hydra partner. She came off as arrogant, trolly, and hard to work with, therefore being a wildcard.

[Eldrick4221]

I have seen games where the doc dies instead of revealing because a revealed doc is a useless doc.

[Shad_]

Literally the loudest point I have made in this phase besides calling DPR scum is insisting we shouldn't lynch the claimed self-resolving Survivor.  How do you even ever get to he's fighting really hard to prevent this in the hopes that it will be more likely to happen vs Occam's Razor he's fighting really hard to prevent this because he wants to prevent it?

[Shanti]

 

OK so, in regards to the BFG claim, I am really probably not the best to weigh in on that as I believe her. Maybe its because I'm new and my very first game was thought to be basic, but there was a 1 shot role that tried to use it, got blocked, and got to use it again..everyone said thats not typical of the mod to do....so at this point, I can't sit here and believe that mod wouldn't throw in a twist such as that ESPECIALLY since no crazy roles have been revealed so far. IIRC..people were saying Tigs being who she said she was, wasn't likely, yet here we are.

 

As far as DPR pushing, I can't really say much in the way of him voting Shad, because me having the stance on BFG, most logical vote to me right now, is Shad. Not because Shad is pushing for BFG lynch, but because as I was reading the exchange between Dice, DPR, and Shad it truly seemed as if Dice and Shad had taken on the roles as bad cop, good cop, to guide DPR to a BFG lynch.  As to why he is voting Shad but still going on and on and on about BFG, he's still tunneled on BFG and her reveal and it seems an attempt to stop tunneling so hard, but I feel that he and Shad both are quite worked up at this point and a step back will do them both some good. 

 

If you still think I am trying to "guide people" to lynch BFG then lolololololol

 

 

Oh good grief. 

[DPR]

DPR switching of BFG contradicts a lot of the theory he came up with earlier- lynch BFG first in case we're wrong, have a smaller pool to shoot from tomorrow, reducing our chance of mislynch.

And that switch bothers me on the chance that Shad is Town.

 

He makes (to me) very good arguments for lynching BFG today:

 

 

 

 

Help me to simplify this - numbers wise it doesn't make a difference if you're 3P and you swing because you're not Town. Say your claim is true - you don't count as Town right now, so even though we have 9 players on the board, it might as well be 8 for the sake of the Town - right? 

 

If we lynch you today, we get rid of a guaranteed threat to Town. We don't have to speed-lynch you. We can talk about everything, give the day it's due and squeeze the info down to the last drop, but you ain't gonna get anyone past the point that with anyone else, we're taking a chance on a mislynch. With you, we get that guaranteed non-town. 

 

Fullstop.

 

We also get the info of whether you're what you say or Mafia. 

 

The we get the info of the NK. 

 

Town starts D4 knowing a lot more than we do today. Simples. And we didn't cost ourselves a thing in the process, because you ain't Town.

 

 

 

 

No. That has nothing to do with the argument I made, which is that the at F6, BFG will have had plenty of time to settle into her claim and push someone else out from that looks more scummish. I do it all the time. That's why I despise the "let me live another day" routine - I know exactly what that is. 

 

 

 

I left Eldrick out - I don't see scum here. I didn't with Alfred and I don't with Eld. I don't understand why he wants to let claimed non-Town live (I get the "logic", but again, it's so transparent. Regardless...) but instincts. 

 

 

I think you are confused - she does not count toward Town numbers. She's not a mislynch - she's not anything but non-town.

 

She can't count toward Town numbers if she is going to be removed form the game on her win. 

 

It's like voting No-Lynch but getting info anyway. 

 

 

 

Your scenario: we are currently @ 6T / 2M / 1S.  We lynch BFG and she's S - Mafia gets a NK - We wind up @ 5T / 2M

 

Okay.

 

But, if we mislynch - say Shad or dice is not Mafia after all - we wind up at 4T / 2M / 1S 

 

That puts us at endgame and if we mislynch again, we lose. Plus we have a non-town putting their 2cents in. 

 

***

 

My way, we lynch BFG today, and even if she's not scum, we get 2 more chances to lynch. Plus, we have the advantage of the info that 2 more deaths will bring, which means tomorrow we start at 5T / 2M and are shooting into a pool of 7 instead of 9. 

 

If we mislynch again tomorrow, we are shooting into a pool of 5 and our chances are much, much higher of hitting scum. 

 

I think BFG makes all the sense in the world, but I'm done trying to sell it. I'll just move to Shad in hopes of hitting scum there. I don't see moving to anyone else. 

 

 

 

 

 

The bold all makes sense to me. 

 

 

What strikes me as off is I come in with an answer to a question he asked, am agreeing with the lynch the known non-Town, have a 5T / 2M pool rather than a 4T / 2M / 1 likely to switch it up and vote either way; 

 

 

 

WRT to question on the first bold - I was working on the "If her claim is true - ie if she can only win with Town"

 

Given further thought that I think she's most likely to be independent and have to switch for wincon, it doesn't necessarily apply?

 

(EBWOP - DPR this ^ was the answer to the question you missed/ignored)

 

@Shad?

 

IIRC you brought up/explain that fact, plus mention that she's playing with the wind out of her sails?

 

 

Why lynch DPR over her today?

 

 

Make it clear that BFG is my lowest read and a possibility for lynch - at the time I was in the deciding position

 

 

Cass. What are your reads?

 

If you want reads they're currently

 

Shanti - She's either Town or D2 was Crunkus-level AtE AND a gambit that 

 

DPR/Dice/Killanos/Adella/Shad/Alf-Eldrick

 

BFG - played more Townsided this phase since claim ?independent/will switch

 

 

I have a page of thoughts and notes but it's essentially indecision on Shad/DPR/Dice, Possi-Tinfoil on Killanos/Adella - Adella I haven't ISO'd, and for your slot fighting the notion that Alf was probably scummy so you are too.

 

 

And immediately after, he switches to:

 

Based on our delightful repartee':

 

[v] Shad [/v]

 

 

 

I have issues with this.

 

Why discount all the theory you've been pushing/seem to believe to vote elsewhere - regardless of whether you think that person is scummy or not, when that person could be a mislynch?

Especially when somebody else comes in and agrees with your theory/could be set to go there too?

 

WRT rest of ISO I also have issues with his stance on CuthaNyn given their flip. I am having trouble trying to read his tone/attitude and pushes - they feel inherently scummy to me, and I have issues with the way he has avoided my questions and imo possi-pushed shade on me/linked me with other players - the buddying post from Cuth in particular where focus is taken away from Cuth and twisted towards me. I feel like there's an element of setting up a linear line of suspects ('X and X are Scummy. If it's not BOTH of them, it might be Y and Y') that imo doesn't fit the Town mindset of 'X, X and X are scummy' . I've questioned this but he didn't answer. I replied to his concerns on me and he gives no real response. That makes him a very likely suspect for Scum to me, but I'm not sure. I remember him having attitude towards Nin in Hackers that is similar to his attitude with Shad/me here when he was pushing for her mislynch, but I don't know how early in his play that started, or if there's a general meta difference in when/how he pushes.

 

What is the matter with you?

 

I laid out my entire case on BFG - was it you who labeled it "ad nauseam"? Nobody is unclear on my stance regarding her play.

 

That vote never picked up steam. You certainly never voted for her (or anybody...).

 

But now, here you come, trying to re-ignite that argument and throw shade at me for moving my vote to self preserve? 

 

You're riding the fence something awful here - it's all questions and no input from you, with a side of sh*t stirring in an effort to bring some controversy back to the thread? 

 

Go ahead and vote now. 

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

OK so, in regards to the BFG claim, I am really probably not the best to weigh in on that as I believe her. Maybe its because I'm new and my very first game was thought to be basic, but there was a 1 shot role that tried to use it, got blocked, and got to use it again..everyone said thats not typical of the mod to do....so at this point, I can't sit here and believe that mod wouldn't throw in a twist such as that ESPECIALLY since no crazy roles have been revealed so far. IIRC..people were saying Tigs being who she said she was, wasn't likely, yet here we are.

 

As far as DPR pushing, I can't really say much in the way of him voting Shad, because me having the stance on BFG, most logical vote to me right now, is Shad. Not because Shad is pushing for BFG lynch, but because as I was reading the exchange between Dice, DPR, and Shad it truly seemed as if Dice and Shad had taken on the roles as bad cop, good cop, to guide DPR to a BFG lynch. As to why he is voting Shad but still going on and on and on about BFG, he's still tunneled on BFG and her reveal and it seems an attempt to stop tunneling so hard, but I feel that he and Shad both are quite worked up at this point and a step back will do them both some good.

 

 

OK so, in regards to the BFG claim, I am really probably not the best to weigh in on that as I believe her. Maybe its because I'm new and my very first game was thought to be basic, but there was a 1 shot role that tried to use it, got blocked, and got to use it again..everyone said thats not typical of the mod to do....so at this point, I can't sit here and believe that mod wouldn't throw in a twist such as that ESPECIALLY since no crazy roles have been revealed so far. IIRC..people were saying Tigs being who she said she was, wasn't likely, yet here we are.

 

As far as DPR pushing, I can't really say much in the way of him voting Shad, because me having the stance on BFG, most logical vote to me right now, is Shad. Not because Shad is pushing for BFG lynch, but because as I was reading the exchange between Dice, DPR, and Shad it truly seemed as if Dice and Shad had taken on the roles as bad cop, good cop, to guide DPR to a BFG lynch. As to why he is voting Shad but still going on and on and on about BFG, he's still tunneled on BFG and her reveal and it seems an attempt to stop tunneling so hard, but I feel that he and Shad both are quite worked up at this point and a step back will do them both some good.

Can you go into more detail on that? It read to me like dpr did that all on his own.

Yeah, let me see if I can find it. Gimme a minute.

You find it? That's a tough sell.

I'm considering a bfg lynch.

 

Worst case scenario she is Survivor and we go into a regular 5v2

 

Best case scenario she's scum.

 

We know she isn't town. I seriously don't think she's scum, and would obviously rather lynch scum. If we are able to lynch scum today and tomorrow and she's able to win with us, that would be the best route.

 

But today has been focused around her and is detracting from scum hunting.

I swear I've heard this before... but where?

 

Shanti. What you you think about what I said about it being unlikely that the team is dice/shad/nyn

 

How dice would have called out one teammate for the wolf head thing and defended the other. Do you see scum drawing attention to their whole team like that right off the bat?

I think that they couldn't control nyn, she was a wildcard. So I believe they intended to distance from the get go so that if things started crashing and burning, it'd be harder to prove their scummates.

 

See, I'm a skeptical person so yes I see them drawing attention to their whole team right off the bat, because its the perfect way to hide in plain sight.

 

I don't think they expected Nyn to be so hard to handle, though, personally.

 

This is a completely inaccurate representation of Nyn. Just sayin'.

Maybe I'm biased because I just point blank didn't like her, but she did NOT seem to be trying to work with ANYONE including her hydra partner. She came off as arrogant, trolly, and hard to work with, therefore being a wildcard.

Please be careful and don't make it personal.

[Shanti]

@DPR this is what I said in regards to that. I couldn't find the exact spot that made me go hmmm, but this is just my opinion on it, and how it read to me. *shrug*

 

 

I'm having trouble finding exactly what made me think good cop bad cop, but I'll keep looking. It was basically, dice piped up that he was in agreement with DPR about BFG and stating he'd done nothing to make him lean scum on DPR.

Shad was there agreeing with the points DPR was making, yet calling DPR scum for voting BFG, which was getting DPR riled up. So he basically had Dice, telling him he was doing the right thing, and Shad angering him making him push harder to prove his point about BFG to make DPR look more scummy than what he really was. It was as if he basically wanted to twist DPR's knickers so he'd lose his cool and come off as scum and Dice was there to keep DPR going in the direction they wanted him to go and that was towards BFG. Somewhere in all of the mess, Dice and DPR were both voted on BFG and Shad put his vote on DPR for being scummy.

 

 

 

OK so, in regards to the BFG claim, I am really probably not the best to weigh in on that as I believe her. Maybe its because I'm new and my very first game was thought to be basic, but there was a 1 shot role that tried to use it, got blocked, and got to use it again..everyone said thats not typical of the mod to do....so at this point, I can't sit here and believe that mod wouldn't throw in a twist such as that ESPECIALLY since no crazy roles have been revealed so far. IIRC..people were saying Tigs being who she said she was, wasn't likely, yet here we are.

 

As far as DPR pushing, I can't really say much in the way of him voting Shad, because me having the stance on BFG, most logical vote to me right now, is Shad. Not because Shad is pushing for BFG lynch, but because as I was reading the exchange between Dice, DPR, and Shad it truly seemed as if Dice and Shad had taken on the roles as bad cop, good cop, to guide DPR to a BFG lynch.  As to why he is voting Shad but still going on and on and on about BFG, he's still tunneled on BFG and her reveal and it seems an attempt to stop tunneling so hard, but I feel that he and Shad both are quite worked up at this point and a step back will do them both some good. 

 

 

 

 

OK so, in regards to the BFG claim, I am really probably not the best to weigh in on that as I believe her. Maybe its because I'm new and my very first game was thought to be basic, but there was a 1 shot role that tried to use it, got blocked, and got to use it again..everyone said thats not typical of the mod to do....so at this point, I can't sit here and believe that mod wouldn't throw in a twist such as that ESPECIALLY since no crazy roles have been revealed so far. IIRC..people were saying Tigs being who she said she was, wasn't likely, yet here we are.

As far as DPR pushing, I can't really say much in the way of him voting Shad, because me having the stance on BFG, most logical vote to me right now, is Shad. Not because Shad is pushing for BFG lynch, but because as I was reading the exchange between Dice, DPR, and Shad it truly seemed as if Dice and Shad had taken on the roles as bad cop, good cop, to guide DPR to a BFG lynch. As to why he is voting Shad but still going on and on and on about BFG, he's still tunneled on BFG and her reveal and it seems an attempt to stop tunneling so hard, but I feel that he and Shad both are quite worked up at this point and a step back will do them both some good.

Can you go into more detail on that? It read to me like dpr did that all on his own.

 

 

Yeah, let me see if I can find it. Gimme a minute.

 

 

You find it? That's a tough sell.

 

 

 

[DPR]

 

Dammit I didn't want to have to get my brain into this.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

The argument for leaving BFG alive is that we leave her alive but DISCOUNT her, and aim for scum, risk being we mislynch and we go to endgame?

 

The argument for taking her out is we get confirmed non-Town and have a smaller pool hunt scum in tomorrow, reducing our chance of mislynch?

The argument for leaving her alive is that she is likely not scum. That we should lynch scum. She can live as long as she won't be a liability.

 

 

LMAO - Case never did explain why she said the Mafia would need to NK BFG tonight...

 

And of course she's had lots of opinions about my play, but she's suddenly confused?

 

Nah.

 

Darlin', you shoulda voted based this logic yesterday instead of sitting back and watching me say all that over and over while you did nothing. 

 

But it's not too late - throw your vote down on BFG. I'll move mine back. We'll lynch non-town together. How's that?

[BFG]

So TLDR DPR

 

deflected attention away from Cuth/Nyn

 

(town read Cuth/Nyn despite that being completely out of line with how town!DPR approaches games; limited experience - in brackets because I appreciate not everyone 'likes' meta)

 

Is convinced I'm mafia; hasn't spent any time trying to prove I'm mafia beyond 'claim'; cannot explain why I'd claim as mafia, has at various times suggested a 4 person mafia team, mafia holstered or had no shot N1, but generally falls back to deflecting the question or ignoring it, also initial reaction was to believe my claim (response to Eldrick(?)) before he doubled down on me being mafia

 

Has deflected questions all day, played dumb with questions from Shad/Cass/Shanty/others

 

Said at the beginning of the phase that attention shouldn't focus on the claim, yet almost all his talk has centred around it

 

Hasn't revisited any of his reads post mafia flip, his scum reads on me/cass/shad sort of originate in our interactions with each other, yet he shows no interest in any of our interactions with flipped scum (except one post from Cass)

 

I would ask him where his experience with scum!Cuth comes from, to the best of my knowledge Cuth had been scum in one game previously on DM that DPR wasn't in, but he'll deflect this as well :p

 

 

 

 

Meandering thoughts, as third party he pushed Liz/Mrs Clov Hydra over mechanical stuff, the difference to me is that although I disagreed with the read I understood the logic. This is a mechanical push but the logic is missing

 

It's unusual for mafia to piss off multiple high volume posters, I don't think that would particularly bother him though.

 

I would be surprised if he hard buses

[Shanti]

 

 

 

OK so, in regards to the BFG claim, I am really probably not the best to weigh in on that as I believe her. Maybe its because I'm new and my very first game was thought to be basic, but there was a 1 shot role that tried to use it, got blocked, and got to use it again..everyone said thats not typical of the mod to do....so at this point, I can't sit here and believe that mod wouldn't throw in a twist such as that ESPECIALLY since no crazy roles have been revealed so far. IIRC..people were saying Tigs being who she said she was, wasn't likely, yet here we are.

 

As far as DPR pushing, I can't really say much in the way of him voting Shad, because me having the stance on BFG, most logical vote to me right now, is Shad. Not because Shad is pushing for BFG lynch, but because as I was reading the exchange between Dice, DPR, and Shad it truly seemed as if Dice and Shad had taken on the roles as bad cop, good cop, to guide DPR to a BFG lynch. As to why he is voting Shad but still going on and on and on about BFG, he's still tunneled on BFG and her reveal and it seems an attempt to stop tunneling so hard, but I feel that he and Shad both are quite worked up at this point and a step back will do them both some good.

 

 

OK so, in regards to the BFG claim, I am really probably not the best to weigh in on that as I believe her. Maybe its because I'm new and my very first game was thought to be basic, but there was a 1 shot role that tried to use it, got blocked, and got to use it again..everyone said thats not typical of the mod to do....so at this point, I can't sit here and believe that mod wouldn't throw in a twist such as that ESPECIALLY since no crazy roles have been revealed so far. IIRC..people were saying Tigs being who she said she was, wasn't likely, yet here we are.

 

As far as DPR pushing, I can't really say much in the way of him voting Shad, because me having the stance on BFG, most logical vote to me right now, is Shad. Not because Shad is pushing for BFG lynch, but because as I was reading the exchange between Dice, DPR, and Shad it truly seemed as if Dice and Shad had taken on the roles as bad cop, good cop, to guide DPR to a BFG lynch. As to why he is voting Shad but still going on and on and on about BFG, he's still tunneled on BFG and her reveal and it seems an attempt to stop tunneling so hard, but I feel that he and Shad both are quite worked up at this point and a step back will do them both some good.

Can you go into more detail on that? It read to me like dpr did that all on his own.

Yeah, let me see if I can find it. Gimme a minute.

You find it? That's a tough sell.

I'm considering a bfg lynch.

 

Worst case scenario she is Survivor and we go into a regular 5v2

 

Best case scenario she's scum.

 

We know she isn't town. I seriously don't think she's scum, and would obviously rather lynch scum. If we are able to lynch scum today and tomorrow and she's able to win with us, that would be the best route.

 

But today has been focused around her and is detracting from scum hunting.

I swear I've heard this before... but where?

 

Shanti. What you you think about what I said about it being unlikely that the team is dice/shad/nyn

 

How dice would have called out one teammate for the wolf head thing and defended the other. Do you see scum drawing attention to their whole team like that right off the bat?

I think that they couldn't control nyn, she was a wildcard. So I believe they intended to distance from the get go so that if things started crashing and burning, it'd be harder to prove their scummates.

 

See, I'm a skeptical person so yes I see them drawing attention to their whole team right off the bat, because its the perfect way to hide in plain sight.

 

I don't think they expected Nyn to be so hard to handle, though, personally.

 

This is a completely inaccurate representation of Nyn. Just sayin'.

Maybe I'm biased because I just point blank didn't like her, but she did NOT seem to be trying to work with ANYONE including her hydra partner. She came off as arrogant, trolly, and hard to work with, therefore being a wildcard.

Please be careful and don't make it personal.

 

 

Lol I'm not, but I still don't think I'm wrong about her being a wild card..I'm not the only one that has stated it, either.

[BFG]

Shad is almost always town here regardless of DPRs alignment

[Shad_]

Please explain how a doc revealing could possibly benefit town.

I just did.

 

BFG has a claim on the table that has to be true if there is no doc, ergo if we are going to lynch her we should first confirm whether there is a doc, because if there is not then she is telling the truth.

 

Since we are not lynching her today it is now irrelevant, but if we were going to I believe that is the optimal play under those circumstances.  Chances of actually outing a town PR are low because there probably is no doc because the cop died.  Moreover the doc is low utility at this point because the cop died.  Vs wasting a lynch on a Survivor who we could just sideline.

[DPR]

 

 

OK so, in regards to the BFG claim, I am really probably not the best to weigh in on that as I believe her. Maybe its because I'm new and my very first game was thought to be basic, but there was a 1 shot role that tried to use it, got blocked, and got to use it again..everyone said thats not typical of the mod to do....so at this point, I can't sit here and believe that mod wouldn't throw in a twist such as that ESPECIALLY since no crazy roles have been revealed so far. IIRC..people were saying Tigs being who she said she was, wasn't likely, yet here we are.

 

As far as DPR pushing, I can't really say much in the way of him voting Shad, because me having the stance on BFG, most logical vote to me right now, is Shad. Not because Shad is pushing for BFG lynch, but because as I was reading the exchange between Dice, DPR, and Shad it truly seemed as if Dice and Shad had taken on the roles as bad cop, good cop, to guide DPR to a BFG lynch.  As to why he is voting Shad but still going on and on and on about BFG, he's still tunneled on BFG and her reveal and it seems an attempt to stop tunneling so hard, but I feel that he and Shad both are quite worked up at this point and a step back will do them both some good. 

 

 

 

 

OK so, in regards to the BFG claim, I am really probably not the best to weigh in on that as I believe her. Maybe its because I'm new and my very first game was thought to be basic, but there was a 1 shot role that tried to use it, got blocked, and got to use it again..everyone said thats not typical of the mod to do....so at this point, I can't sit here and believe that mod wouldn't throw in a twist such as that ESPECIALLY since no crazy roles have been revealed so far. IIRC..people were saying Tigs being who she said she was, wasn't likely, yet here we are.

 

As far as DPR pushing, I can't really say much in the way of him voting Shad, because me having the stance on BFG, most logical vote to me right now, is Shad. Not because Shad is pushing for BFG lynch, but because as I was reading the exchange between Dice, DPR, and Shad it truly seemed as if Dice and Shad had taken on the roles as bad cop, good cop, to guide DPR to a BFG lynch. As to why he is voting Shad but still going on and on and on about BFG, he's still tunneled on BFG and her reveal and it seems an attempt to stop tunneling so hard, but I feel that he and Shad both are quite worked up at this point and a step back will do them both some good.

Can you go into more detail on that? It read to me like dpr did that all on his own.

 

 

Yeah, let me see if I can find it. Gimme a minute.

 

 

You find it? That's a tough sell.

 

I'm considering a bfg lynch.

 

Worst case scenario she is Survivor and we go into a regular 5v2

 

Best case scenario she's scum.

 

We know she isn't town. I seriously don't think she's scum, and would obviously rather lynch scum. If we are able to lynch scum today and tomorrow and she's able to win with us, that would be the best route.

 

But today has been focused around her and is detracting from scum hunting.

 

I swear I've heard this before... but where?

 

 

Shanti. What you you think about what I said about it being unlikely that the team is dice/shad/nyn

 

How dice would have called out one teammate for the wolf head thing and defended the other. Do you see scum drawing attention to their whole team like that right off the bat?

 

I think that they couldn't control nyn, she was a wildcard. So I believe they intended to distance from the get go so that if things started crashing and burning, it'd be harder to prove their scummates. 

 

See, I'm a skeptical person so yes I see them drawing attention to their whole team right off the bat, because its the perfect way to hide in plain sight.

 

I don't think they expected Nyn to be so hard to handle, though, personally.

 

 

 

This is a completely inaccurate representation of Nyn. Just sayin'.

 

 

Maybe I'm biased because I just point blank didn't like her, but she did NOT seem to be trying to work with ANYONE including her hydra partner. She came off as arrogant, trolly, and hard to work with, therefore being a wildcard.

 

 

LOL - it's just a play style. 

 

This is why I was saying that you'll cloud-up your own radar. This game is much, much more nuanced than you realize. Your instincts have potential, but you have lots of ground to travel yet. 

[Shad_]

I'm going to switch to Dice before I leave if that's where this is headed.  Would prefer DPR but either can die.

[Shad_]

Re: the doc thing suss it if you want but I think my case has at least been heard at this point so I'm going to drop it.

[BFG]

Shanti

Shad

Kronos/Killer

 

 

Cass?

Eldrick?

 

 

Adella??

Dice??

DPR??

[DPR]

 

Please explain how a doc revealing could possibly benefit town.

I just did.

 

BFG has a claim on the table that has to be true if there is no doc, ergo if we are going to lynch her we should first confirm whether there is a doc, because if there is not then she is telling the truth.

 

Since we are not lynching her today it is now irrelevant, but if we were going to I believe that is the optimal play under those circumstances.  Chances of actually outing a town PR are low because there probably is no doc because the cop died.  Moreover the doc is low utility at this point because the cop died.  Vs wasting a lynch on a Survivor who we could just sideline.

 

 

Dumb.

[Eldrick4221]

LMAO - Case never did explain why she said the Mafia would need to NK BFG tonight...

 

I really want to hear this too.

 

This combined with her shoddy reads list has her moving down in my reads.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

 

Dice (3): Killanos, Adella, Eldrick

 

BFG (1): Dice

 

DPR (2): BFG, Shad, 

 

Shad (2): Shanti, DPR

 

Not voting (1):  Cass

 

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

[BFG]

Pretty sure that Cuth spewed Kronos/Killer as town a couple of times, Kronos was at the top of his mafia range if mafia and town is just more likely. The drop in activity isn't a great look but doesn't mean much considering. I probably haven't paid as much attention to Killer as I should have

[Cass]

I don't know why this irks me....but when DPR is proving Shad's scumminess, he gives reasons, quotes, etc....

 

When dice is asked about Shad's scumminess, he mentioned the wolf's head once, but the entire ordeal with nyn discredited his take on who would or wouldn't post a wolf's head as scum. He just says... Shad is scum. From what I can see (it may be somewhere in the 93 posts) he doesn't really back up why.

 

Same goes for Shad being asked about Dice....he's just scum and can die... he also keeps pointing to DPR/Dice as the final two scummates, will vote for DPR but not dice...

 

Just as since d1, Dice won't vote Shad although he's had multiple opportunities to do so with support.

 

This is what irks me the most. 

 

DPR seems the most town out of all three with scum hunting.

 

I agree with most of this (bold). I can see -possi-distancing- links for Shad-Dice in their actual interactions, with room left to back out later if required. But that could be tinfoil, and one of them might be Town.

 

IIRC Dice did vote Shad D1 though? 

 

Dice voting claimed non-Town here is something he does as Town, went back and checked all games he played with a 3p since I started. First game we played he was Town and both switched to vote the 3p (it was Pral, not Csarmi) and he argued with Csarmi later because he then vig-shot the 3P.

 

It's probably null here, because he'd probably do the same in either requirement, but >.< . I think we'd have a better idea tomorrow.

 

 

My thoughts were that his take on Nyn is ~understandable from a Town PoV, although I personally wasn't surprised after last game where she was scum boosting her confidence and knowing hydra does the same. It wouldn't be the first time he let a soft-spot for a girl get in the way if he's Town.  I haven't seen TOWNDICE in his posting though, and it bothers me that he initially avoided me/showing me his brain, I have issues with his EOD1 - As Town he's both Time and Goal focused at EOD, often comes in with 15mins to DL - and I've never not seen him make a decision. EoD2 hammering Cuth/shortening the phase bothers me, but voting with cop read is what he does and I think Scum him would know he was hammering and not post after that? 

[BFG]

@Adella I read through Day 2 last night and saw your responses. Sorry for missing them

[Eldrick4221]

 

Please explain how a doc revealing could possibly benefit town.

I just did.

 

BFG has a claim on the table that has to be true if there is no doc, ergo if we are going to lynch her we should first confirm whether there is a doc, because if there is not then she is telling the truth.

 

Since we are not lynching her today it is now irrelevant, but if we were going to I believe that is the optimal play under those circumstances. Chances of actually outing a town PR are low because there probably is no doc because the cop died. Moreover the doc is low utility at this point because the cop died. Vs wasting a lynch on a Survivor who we could just sideline.

Again. Doc revealing doesn't make her claim false.

 

And no doc revealing doesn't make it true, or even mean there isn't a doc.

 

There are even ways that her claim could be false without a doc. Scum could have not shot for #reasons

 

It's possible that Sooh counted Darthe as their kill. It's possible they just didn't get their kill in, or targeted Darthe and didn't get a chance to change.

[BFG]

Back later, I'm dog sitting and he's upset I'm not paying him any attention <3

[Adella]

@Adella I read through Day 2 last night and saw your responses. Sorry for missing them

It's all good.