[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2017

I didn't bother writing peeks down, and so I asked a question I wanted an answer to.

I have no idea what this is replying to

Songstress · May 18, 2017

I'm not convinced that this makes you scum, but it's annoying the hell out of me and making it hard to see you as town.

I'd like to get other people's opinions on this.

I think you have a valid point.

Eld, what do you think of her response to my comment about the choice of NK?

It is odd; I don't recall anyone saying he was their peek, but I could totally be wrong. Maybe some kind of hunting through killing peeks?
QFR

It's interesting that she thinks people listed as peeks would be a nk discussion topic.

I hadn't really given much thought as to why he was killed myself. It's usually wifom to try and sort that out. Could be he was town read. Could be they thought they saw a subtle seer hint. Could be they wanted to throw us off.

What it reminds me of to be honest is when I was mafia in Seph's Diablo game - it was a vanilla + seer game also, and we had a bit of a heated discussion N1 in the QT. AJ had overplayed his hand trying to draw the NK and made it obvious he was vanilla in my opinion, but Besie disagreed. Thane also thought he was not the seer, but did not follow the logic of needing to kill the seer as early as possible so he decided to let Besie submit the kill on AJ while I was asleep.

Later in the game I found myself trying to explain away how AJ's fake peek wasn't seer hunt cleared because maybe the mafia wasn't seer hunting.

Obviously it's not the same situation, but her attempt to rationalize the choice of kill in that way specifically raises an eyebrow because it brings to mind trying to come up with an explanation why your teammates did something other than the optimal strategy in a seer game.

I looked through Redd's ISO in pretty good detail to come up with his list of reads. For mafia to have thought Redd had a better chance of being the seer than anyone else, if they were looking for the seer, every single peek that was left in the thread would have to have been either by a mafia or on a mafia, because the only thing that might have been interpreted as a seer hint was his unexplained thought that "the pretty new girl" was town. His only other town read was Spades, who he had previously called wolfy and voted. Since by my count there were peeks either by or on 10 other players, that's really highly unlikely.

Seems more likely to me that they weren't trying to find the seer. That tells me one thing for sure, Darthe is town. Of everyone else left alive, Darthe is the only one that I am confident would not veer off optimal strategy for a seer game and would be able to get his way if a teammate disagreed.

If they weren't trying to find the seer, the most likely reasons to kill someone would be 1) that they are clear town and not likely to be lynched (completely not the case for Redd), and 2) that they saw him as a threat.

Redd's last reads before EOD:

If i had to guess a 3 person wklf team right now id say

Tigraine

LedZepMan

Hallia

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2017

More confident with my town read on you, and more comfortable with my vote on hally.

That all made complete sense. It explains why Hally answered the way she did. It explains why Redd was targeted.

So..if she's scum, what do you take on her listing Spades as her second peek?

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2017

I'm assuming it would be to further pocket her. I don't see them being teammates here.

Songstress · May 18, 2017

More confident with my town read on you, and more comfortable with my vote on hally.

That all made complete sense. It explains why Hally answered the way she did. It explains why Redd was targeted.

So..if she's scum, what do you take on her listing Spades as her second peek?

I'm not 100% sure it's her, but I think it's likely at least one of Redd's scum reads is mafia. Could be LZM. Could be both.

If she's mafia, she would need to play like she does as town, no? I think her choosing Spades as a N1 peek makes sense. And I think Spades is more likely town than not, regardless of whether Hallia is.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2017

More confident with my town read on you, and more comfortable with my vote on hally.

That all made complete sense. It explains why Hally answered the way she did. It explains why Redd was targeted.

So..if she's scum, what do you take on her listing Spades as her second peek?

I'm not 100% sure it's her, but I think it's likely at least one of Redd's scum reads is mafia. Could be LZM. Could be both.

If she's mafia, she would need to play like she does as town, no? I think her choosing Spades as a N1 peek makes sense. And I think Spades is more likely town than not, regardless of whether Hallia is.

Why did you exclude tigs?

Tigraine · May 18, 2017

Something else to let everyone know so you don't waste time trying to find the reason behind why I give my reads in the order I do....I either go top to bottom or bottom to top with the list on OP. I saw that someone had mentioned the order but there it is....not so nefarious is it

I've copied the link to quotes as opposed to quotes for two reasons...

1) so you don't get a huge wall of text that no one really pays attention to anyway.

2) it's much easier to do when ISOing from mobile (frustrating when you have 20 quotes with remarks then hit the back button by accident)

Eldrick- http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793182

At first glance, his questioning of Alex in this post isn't odd. What I do find odd is that he doesn't question any of the others that do it thought the rest of the day. I will find out later on in the ISO but I don't believe he calls Redd out on it. With Alex being scum and Redd being town, is it an attempt at prodding a teammate to look less scummy later? We shall see.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793184

States reason for vote on Dice/Cass was just because they are a Hydra but that he's keeping the vote there because he is "skeptical of Cass post" nothing really odd there.

Ftr I really don't like that the newest play style isn't to quote posts. But everyone that does it can't be scummy so I guess I'm odd man out again. Anyway...

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793188

He's suspicious of Redd, not for jump voting which he didn't like in Alex, but just for the remark of "cause I'm wolf hunting". Curious.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793191

"Always a red flag when someone is paying attention to if they sound wolfy." Really? So it's not a red flag for town to not care if they sound wolfy? That doesn't even make sense to me.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793196

"Why is 'because I think you're a wolf' not a good enough reason at this stage?".

This is literally the 3rd post after he calls red out for....what was it? Ohhhh yeah because he gave the reason of "becauae I'm wolf hunting"

Slightly hypocritical wouldn't you say eld?

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793201

Unvotes and puts Dice/Cass back at null

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793202

Votes Alex due to the "sounding scummy" post.

Good call but I still can't grasp this concept. I see people all the time say "this may seem scummy but I don't care" doesn't really pinging for me but to each his own.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793215

Yet again, calling Alex out for something that Redd was doing. Telling Alex he should quote what he's referring to but doesn't make a peep when I say the same about Redd or doesn't say anything to Redd himself.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793216

This post just doesn't make sense to me. Alex mentions that I agree with shanti a lot so why am I not voting for him as she is. I explain and Eld says my explanation is reasonable then asks Alex, "do you think this is a slip" or something along those lines. That question doesn't fit with the rest of the post, quotes and all.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793229

After quoting the "do you think this is a slip" post and asking yet again for Alex to address it he jumps to asking Ed avout his "Adella is town" post. Again, this in itself is nothing, but the fact that he pics and chooses who he calls out is disconcerting. The post after this one quotes the same post from Ed plus another one addressing Adella and says "Ed you're confusing me"

Don't like the hypocrisy and double standards I'm seeing this far.

I'm still going but wanted to post what I have so far.

If you address any part of this or ask questions, I very likely won't get to them until I finish my iso on eld. So just a heads up.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2017

I still don't have a read on lzm. He's around. He seems to be making an effort to solve. He's not out there shaking the waters, but he's not playing it safe either.

People have listed him as a lynch option, but no one seems to want to give a reason.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2017

I don't treat everyone equally. I reply to what's on my mind and don't check to see if it happened elsewhere. It does result in me having double standards. I don't care.

As for being a hypocrite, my point was that "because I think you're a wolf" was a good enough reason at that point in the game. Me having the same reason for a view on someone isn't hypocritical.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2017

The rest of that post just seems to be you not understanding me. Which is expected.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2017

Anyway, I'll see you guys tonight. Time for sleep

Songstress · May 18, 2017

More confident with my town read on you, and more comfortable with my vote on hally.

That all made complete sense. It explains why Hally answered the way she did. It explains why Redd was targeted.

So..if she's scum, what do you take on her listing Spades as her second peek?

I'm not 100% sure it's her, but I think it's likely at least one of Redd's scum reads is mafia. Could be LZM. Could be both.

If she's mafia, she would need to play like she does as town, no? I think her choosing Spades as a N1 peek makes sense. And I think Spades is more likely town than not, regardless of whether Hallia is.

Why did you exclude tigs?

Not sure, really. I want to see more from Tigs today to be sure (and it looks like she's digging in, so good deal). My thoughts about LZM could apply to her as well, as an old-school DM'er who isn't used to seer game strategy. My initial thought on LZM was that his EOD really didn't make sense to come from mafia unless he was mafia with both Alex and you. And if Hally is mafia, now that I think of it I expect she might be more likely to pick a random townie to use as a fake peek instead of a teammate.

I guess the main reason LZM came to mind first was that he was Redd's choice to vote at EOD. Thinking about it more, he might be less likely to be mafia than either Hallia or Tigs of those three.

Right now I'm thinking Tigs and Ed need to give us some good content today. Time to get ready for work, I'll mull it over during the day and revise the list when I get home tonight.

Tigraine · May 18, 2017

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793234

Cass questioned him on his read on her/Dice, his "looking scummy" remark on Alex, and his read on me.

He answers that he has played with Dice and liked what he had seen so far plus his reason for suspecting her wasn't strong, says he has no other probs with Alex's play, and reads me as null/town.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793236

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793238

Redresses the Alex comment by Cass saying he still thinks the "looking scummy" quote is a scum tell possibly. Sometimes, not always.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793239

Alex gives his town/scum reads and Eld quotes and just says reasons? Again, why do you pseudo attack Alex for things others are doing as well? It's happening really often and I think its a distancing tactic but that's just my opinion.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793244

Cass again calls him out for something that I have during my iso. This was about ed calling Adella town. She addresses that he done the same. He goes on to say that he realized that (although he didn't clarify itt....why?) But also says that he was confused by Ed's "pocketing" comment.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793253

Defends his backing off dice because "it feels genuine"

Next 4 or 5 posts are just about wondering everyone's peeks and one pseudo questioning Alex for his vote on spade just by saying"he agrees with her" it her post that Alex quoted.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793835

From what I saw this is the first mention of me since the null/town but states that there is a lot from me that looks bad and he's watching me. Why not quote all that looks bad when you insisted Alex would've done it if he was town? Hmm....

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793836

Quotes two Darthe posts, asking why he called the quotes posts wolfy. Why do you pick and choose who you question on these things when others are doing it??? This doesn't make sense.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793840

Here he noticed my post asking Hallia to clarify why she used itt when we are clearly in the thread. He isnt satisfied with her answer and then wonders why Tress isn't worried about the votes on her.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793846

Asks why Cass has been focused on him

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793847

Says Hallia has done almost no game solving and her woflyness is rising.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793848

Isoed me found no problems, just my reason for voting redd. "it's not scummy just a bad reason"

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793851

Unvotes Alex....wants to read back over and make sure he had a good reason for voting him.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793863

Asks redd why he think I'm wolf

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793868

Asks him to be more specific in his reason on me

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793869

Oh!!! He's found the reason.....less than two hours after iso'ing me.

Nobody else find this strange?

Then he votes me

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3793871

Here it is, quotes my reads list and says good chance one of my scum buddies is in this list. Bravo! It's the first 5 players on the list so yeah there's a pretty good chance there is scum in it.

Still not done but I'm posting as I fill up my notepad.

Shanti · May 18, 2017

Going through ISOs and compiling those lists did emphasize one thing. Ed really managed to do a lot of posting while giving very few clear opinions.

Would like some actual reads from Ed today.

That's a good catch. I haven't been though his iso myself, but by the fact that I don't really remember anything from him, I'm inclined to believe your information is correct.

I drew the same conclusion

Shanti · May 18, 2017

Yes, because itt has ever meant not in this thread? Don't see how it can be misconstrued once clarified for a newbie

Tigs isn't a newbie and knew what it meant. The question was essentially avoided by just staying what it meant. However Tigs not pushing for an answer is also on my radar. When she truly wants an answer she pushes till she gets it. Scum banter to seem less buddies, perhaps?

Hallia · May 18, 2017

Maybe I clarified it for her enough, and we're both understanding each other even if no one else is? *shrugs* I'm over it

Cass · May 18, 2017

Halli, what are your reads/thoughts on people?

Adella · May 18, 2017

I'm not convinced that this makes you scum, but it's annoying the hell out of me and making it hard to see you as town.

I'd like to get other people's opinions on this.

I think you have a valid point.

Eld, what do you think of her response to my comment about the choice of NK?

It is odd; I don't recall anyone saying he was their peek, but I could totally be wrong. Maybe some kind of hunting through killing peeks?
QFR

It's interesting that she thinks people listed as peeks would be a nk discussion topic.

I hadn't really given much thought as to why he was killed myself. It's usually wifom to try and sort that out. Could be he was town read. Could be they thought they saw a subtle seer hint. Could be they wanted to throw us off.

What it reminds me of to be honest is when I was mafia in Seph's Diablo game - it was a vanilla + seer game also, and we had a bit of a heated discussion N1 in the QT. AJ had overplayed his hand trying to draw the NK and made it obvious he was vanilla in my opinion, but Besie disagreed. Thane also thought he was not the seer, but did not follow the logic of needing to kill the seer as early as possible so he decided to let Besie submit the kill on AJ while I was asleep.

Later in the game I found myself trying to explain away how AJ's fake peek wasn't seer hunt cleared because maybe the mafia wasn't seer hunting.

Obviously it's not the same situation, but her attempt to rationalize the choice of kill in that way specifically raises an eyebrow because it brings to mind trying to come up with an explanation why your teammates did something other than the optimal strategy in a seer game.

I looked through Redd's ISO in pretty good detail to come up with his list of reads. For mafia to have thought Redd had a better chance of being the seer than anyone else, if they were looking for the seer, every single peek that was left in the thread would have to have been either by a mafia or on a mafia, because the only thing that might have been interpreted as a seer hint was his unexplained thought that "the pretty new girl" was town. His only other town read was Spades, who he had previously called wolfy and voted. Since by my count there were peeks either by or on 10 other players, that's really highly unlikely.

Seems more likely to me that they weren't trying to find the seer. That tells me one thing for sure, Darthe is town. Of everyone else left alive, Darthe is the only one that I am confident would not veer off optimal strategy for a seer game and would be able to get his way if a teammate disagreed.

If they weren't trying to find the seer, the most likely reasons to kill someone would be 1) that they are clear town and not likely to be lynched (completely not the case for Redd), and 2) that they saw him as a threat.

Redd's last reads before EOD:

If i had to guess a 3 person wklf team right now id say

Tigraine

LedZepMan

Hallia

While I agree those are 2 reasons they could have chosen Redd, I disagree that they are the most likely. Finding the Seer I will give you, but that's hard on N1 with so much misdirection in the game to protect the seer. More likely, it's a feint. Everyone knows that once someone is nk'd the town will look at who that person was suspicious of. In every game I have been mafia in, we stayed away from those who were suspicious of us because it would too obviously point the finger at us. Now, I'm not scum in this game, so I can't say it for sure, but I'm sure at least 1 person on that team is likely experienced enough to advise against killing someone who was getting close to them. This isn't any more of a guarantee than your speculation, however I find this option much more likely than the 2nd option you presented. And I find it very suspicious that you didn't mention this as an option at all.

LedZepMan · May 18, 2017

n0 ed2funny town

i thought it was a slip but her answer was satisfactionary

Alex, if you're caught up what are your current overall thoughts/reads at the moment?

I see questions and nudges, but no commentary/opinions on anyone other than Spadez and Tigs to here.

town:
reddboiler

lean town:

hallia

lean scum but less than spade:

songstress

lean scum:

spade

everyone else is either null because they have posted nothing, or null because they have been equally towny and scummy, which balances it to a null read

Ed obviously wasn't really his peek. I find it interesting that he drops the read on his partial list. Trying to decide what that means for ed. Would Alex be more likely to forget he had named town!ed or forget that he called his teammate town?

I'm leaning that this makes ed town.

Or it could be a shielding attempt. Ed n Alex be scum buddies, and Alex trying to use that seer cover on his scum mate.

Not saying that's so, just what came to mind.

Spadeszee · May 18, 2017

A few quick things before I attempt to go back to sleep. Firstly I don't think Hallia has the capability to vote on fellow scum, so she is cleared for me, thank goodness! Secondly I strongly believe we had two wolves against each other in the vote last night. Neither tried to self preservation, which is just strange to me. Eldricks attitude about village being mislynched left me wondering why he wouldn't vote Alex, knowing himself to be a villager and never sure of someone else's alignment. If mislynching d1 is fine, I just don't understand why he wouldn't try to stay in the game with that logic. Lastly LZM couldn't bring himself to vote on either and Tigs was nowhere to be found, not good looks for either.

Also that just seems like a really strange nk to me, going to think about some reasoning for this once I have caffeine.

The dilemma for me wrt Halli is that if there were two scum on the wagons, it's not mentally the same as bussing outright - and IIRC she didn't vote for him directly until end game?

Alex did vote her right out the gate, acting ?familiar and then quickly find a reason to jump off, which is also a common move for scumscum imo. Halleh needs to stay around and work it ( that's what she said!) to be cleared.

From what everyone has told me of Hallias scum play is that she avoids all conflict and contact and tries to just ride it out as long as possible. Unless she didn't expect Alex to make it to a tie and her not being able to move her vote because she was absent at EoD, this reads really townie to me. Also it was D1, really risky to basically be the one tying the rope around their neck. I could be wrong with these assumptions and I will keep them in mind as we play, but she isn't my top wolf anymore. Also nobody is ever lock clear unless they are a v peek to me. I also read the posts about her attempt to pocket me and while I really want her to be on my team, she is going to have to keep pulling her weight and proving shes here to solve.

Songstress · May 18, 2017

I'm not convinced that this makes you scum, but it's annoying the hell out of me and making it hard to see you as town.

I'd like to get other people's opinions on this.

I think you have a valid point.

Eld, what do you think of her response to my comment about the choice of NK?

It is odd; I don't recall anyone saying he was their peek, but I could totally be wrong. Maybe some kind of hunting through killing peeks?
QFR

It's interesting that she thinks people listed as peeks would be a nk discussion topic.

I hadn't really given much thought as to why he was killed myself. It's usually wifom to try and sort that out. Could be he was town read. Could be they thought they saw a subtle seer hint. Could be they wanted to throw us off.

What it reminds me of to be honest is when I was mafia in Seph's Diablo game - it was a vanilla + seer game also, and we had a bit of a heated discussion N1 in the QT. AJ had overplayed his hand trying to draw the NK and made it obvious he was vanilla in my opinion, but Besie disagreed. Thane also thought he was not the seer, but did not follow the logic of needing to kill the seer as early as possible so he decided to let Besie submit the kill on AJ while I was asleep.

Later in the game I found myself trying to explain away how AJ's fake peek wasn't seer hunt cleared because maybe the mafia wasn't seer hunting.

Obviously it's not the same situation, but her attempt to rationalize the choice of kill in that way specifically raises an eyebrow because it brings to mind trying to come up with an explanation why your teammates did something other than the optimal strategy in a seer game.

I looked through Redd's ISO in pretty good detail to come up with his list of reads. For mafia to have thought Redd had a better chance of being the seer than anyone else, if they were looking for the seer, every single peek that was left in the thread would have to have been either by a mafia or on a mafia, because the only thing that might have been interpreted as a seer hint was his unexplained thought that "the pretty new girl" was town. His only other town read was Spades, who he had previously called wolfy and voted. Since by my count there were peeks either by or on 10 other players, that's really highly unlikely.

Seems more likely to me that they weren't trying to find the seer. That tells me one thing for sure, Darthe is town. Of everyone else left alive, Darthe is the only one that I am confident would not veer off optimal strategy for a seer game and would be able to get his way if a teammate disagreed.

If they weren't trying to find the seer, the most likely reasons to kill someone would be 1) that they are clear town and not likely to be lynched (completely not the case for Redd), and 2) that they saw him as a threat.

Redd's last reads before EOD:

If i had to guess a 3 person wklf team right now id say

Tigraine

LedZepMan

Hallia

While I agree those are 2 reasons they could have chosen Redd, I disagree that they are the most likely. Finding the Seer I will give you, but that's hard on N1 with so much misdirection in the game to protect the seer. More likely, it's a feint. Everyone knows that once someone is nk'd the town will look at who that person was suspicious of. In every game I have been mafia in, we stayed away from those who were suspicious of us because it would too obviously point the finger at us. Now, I'm not scum in this game, so I can't say it for sure, but I'm sure at least 1 person on that team is likely experienced enough to advise against killing someone who was getting close to them. This isn't any more of a guarantee than your speculation, however I find this option much more likely than the 2nd option you presented. And I find it very suspicious that you didn't mention this as an option at all.

Mention what as an option? A feint? What do you think that implies?

Spadeszee · May 18, 2017

And this is where I start to get a little confused as a new player. Going to have to re-read these pages a few times to try to get a better understanding of what everything means.

Updated top 3's would be helpful to me, especially from those who haven't really made any yet.

Right now my top 3 Villagers

Tress, Darthe and Cass/Dice

Top 3 Scum

Tigs, LZM and Eldrick

Spadeszee · May 18, 2017

Going through ISOs and compiling those lists did emphasize one thing. Ed really managed to do a lot of posting while giving very few clear opinions.

Would like some actual reads from Ed today.

I would also really appreciate this since he blatantly said no to me. I don't know if that is scummy since Redd basically did the same thing, but he also doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously. I've never played with Ed so I don't know if it's his thing to have a sort of trollzy attitude, but that's what I've been reading for him. I also don't know how he would fit in with Alex just yet aside from the fact that he only really seemed to be quoting and responding to the posts between Alex and I.

Songstress · May 18, 2017

Going through ISOs and compiling those lists did emphasize one thing. Ed really managed to do a lot of posting while giving very few clear opinions.

Would like some actual reads from Ed today.

I would also really appreciate this since he blatantly said no to me. I don't know if that is scummy since Redd basically did the same thing, but he also doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously. I've never played with Ed so I don't know if it's his thing to have a sort of trollzy attitude, but that's what I've been reading for him. I also don't know how he would fit in with Alex just yet aside from the fact that he only really seemed to be quoting and responding to the posts between Alex and I.

The main difference with Redd is that Redd was actually giving reads, he just refused to explain them.

Ed has quoted and responded to a lot of posts without making it clear what he thinks of the other players.

Spadeszee · May 18, 2017

Darthe - n0 peek. Been aloof and not trying to control the thread. Town

Spades - Don't see Alex wishing that mafia killed her as an exchange that comes from a teammate. Had been active and trying to solve all game. Town.

Ed - Was Alex's "peek". Was left off of Alex's partial list. I think this is more likely because Ed is town and Alex forgot he left the peek. Town

Aussie - Cass has been very active and trying to solve. Haven't seen anything from her I didn't like. She's been spending a lot of time trying to sort me out, and it feels genuine.

Not really much to say about dice. He hasn't been around too much. Still like his tone. Town

Don't have a read on Led, Adella and Shanti. Null for now

Tress - Not really much solving going on here. Not responding seriously to being voted. Not trying to find out why people vote her. Null/scum

Tigs - No solve. Still feel like this slot could help clear Tress. I don't see her leaving a joke vote on a teammate for so long. Tress could have easily been the lynch. Scum lean

Hally - The thing that really sticks out to me about Hally is how she responded to Tigs asking her if saying ITT was a slip. She deflected by explaining the acronym and never addressed the actual question. also there's the early exchange between Alex and Hally that feels awkward. Scum

[V]Hally[/v]

I'm really confused as to why you can clear Ed who also hasn't really been trying to solve, but you scum read two others for the same action. Has Ed done anything else that seems villager to you, or are you relying on a wolf peek as your only source of clearance? I also think that if Ed was a wolf with Alex, him peeking him then "forgetting" to mention him could be Alex not wanting to draw more attention to his wolf friend. Because both side of this could be true I really don't think making a read based of a wolves actions is a good way to clear someone.

[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

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