[Basic C9++] Murder Mystery Mafia D5

[Cory Caboose]

Clov is the villager read I have the least amount of confident in, but I doubt anyone finds that surprising

[Cory Caboose]

Probably at something like

 

Sooh

Seph

Manbat

 

Clov

 

Tress

Darthe

DPR

Killashandra

Ed2funy

Tigraine

Niniel

 

Kronos

 

orders between tiers are pretty blurry (sooh closest to blue on my green list, greys have some marks one way but not really ordered in terms of suspicion & that's the group i want to sort out the most)

 

Going to try to look over DPR & Ed today before EoD and get some familiarity with their general games so hopefully I can place them 

 

[Songstress]

@ DPR - as requested...

 

Darthe's a tough one for me because he is super intentional as any alignment and treats most games like a psychological experiment.  Scum!Darthe doesn't slip, he says exactly what he intends to say.  I can never be sure of him, but I feel like I need to give him a day or two to see how he's approaching the game and get a feel for how much manipulating he's doing.  A few of the things he's posted that gave me an OK gut feeling:

 

@ Seph - what bugs me about Darthe:

Nilla waifu <3 finally

 

Clov I'm willing to go hard in the paint in this game if you are

 

no pressure ily

Flash read is town

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

she is teh scum!

Shoddy intro

 

i solved the murder mystery and it was cory caboooooose

Good intro

 

Super stressed but nothing that won't be finished eventually so can't really complain. Things are going pretty well

 

You?

I personally think that stress is a townie look on you, apparently.

 

I take back my shad dad, it feels like something he would cackle about in a qt and I can't have that.

 

 

Had to quote his opening posts to illustrate the point that there is no "Darthe" in the Darthe posts.

 

No swagger. No giggling. Just kinda plain posting that could border on actual observation in a pinch. Then he evaporates for a bit, comes back and does it again for another half dozen posts.

 

Could be he's trying to be careful. He also mentioned that he had moved, but after the fact, whereas some people would have mentioned it before.

 

The word you're looking for is swagger old man. I know the lingo gets hard but that's why they made the urbandictionary.

 

I think this is a town dpr observation, ftr.

 

I see that Tress has posted 24 times and I can't remember any of it

 

 

This post looks good on everyone involved in it

 

I may vote nin actually. That post reminds me of our last wolf game together, where she sort of observed the thread but then didn't do anything about it. I'll look for later posts from her first.

 

He has. I don't have him quite as high as a couple of you seems to earlier but he still towney in my opinion. I recognize that monster isn't one to actually do things that are Wolfie most of the time, rather his wolf play is just an absence of Towny actions across time but I think the that makes him a better mid-game read

 

Mostly I like these because i can see where he's coming from and it's doesn't look like a particularly manipulative place.  I might be wrong and will certainly go back and re-evaluate as necessary but for D1 I wouldn't want to waste my time there. 

 

Will go back and look at Seph again as much as I can, but I have about half an hour left before I need to get ready for work so it might be a little more sketchy.

[Songstress]

Oh yay, broken quotes!  
 
Lemme just repaste the end paragraph and call that a semi-fail.
 
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Mostly I like these because i can see where he's coming from and it's doesn't look like a particularly manipulative place.  I might be wrong and will certainly go back and re-evaluate as necessary but for D1 I wouldn't want to waste my time there. 
 
Will go back and look at Seph again as much as I can, but I have about half an hour left before I need to get ready for work so it might be a little more sketchy.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

Also can you bring some examples of said behavior?

I do not have anything I can quote directly to you to point to why. I am newer not only to mafia but the site as well, so I am less familiar with most folks. He just stood out to me. Wedon't have much to go on yet so I am going with my gut on this one.

WE WHO, [v]Killadhandra[/v]

I usually try to let new people play... but that's kinda a big slip..

[unvote]

[V]killashandra [/v]

 

Eh?

 

To me this is grasping at straws. 

 

We could be everyone, not necessarily mafia. I don't know why you think it's a slip tbh. 

 

 

I'm not sure I touched on this post earlier but I pretty much locked Sooh in as a villager after this post, less so for the actual content and more for the event, when it happened, and the speed of her reaction to it.

 

Basically ed makes a "slip" accusation at killashandra that wasn't a slip whatsoever.

 

According to seph (and I think this is perfectly believable from a town!seph POV, but that's irrelevant) he glazed over what ed was saying, thought it was real, then after reacting read it more fully and realized it wasn't a real slip of any sort hence the unvote.

 

So why is Sooh's response important?

 

Sooh replies to seph ~2 minutes after seph's posts and responds to something else between the two on the same subject. So she's active & present in the thread and these are her direct unfiltered reactions to events.

 

I have problems believing Sooh would so quickly clear the air as a wolf, or at least have the presence of mind to immediately address a miscommunication / misunderstanding. Sooh makes calculated decisions as a wolf typically to see if something is going to be in her benefit or not. There's a lot of worlds here (if Killa is a villager, there's a mild chaotic push going against her that at the very moment of the event might seem like it won't immediately defuse / if Killa is a wolf it's a push on a wolf on poor context and while it can be "cleared up" I rarely see wolves so quickly come to the defense of a wolfbro without due consideration).

 

Point being: the fact that Sooh immediately and genuinely responded to the event is suggestive that she's just playing from her head the way she does as a villager. Not sure that'll make sense to anyone else, but these are the type of things that are really important to me.

 

And for those of you still in doubt, this is town Cory. I have never seen this from scum Cory to this extent.

[Cory Caboose]

can confirm

[Sooh]

Oh yay, broken quotes!  

 

Lemme just repaste the end paragraph and call that a semi-fail.

 

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Mostly I like these because i can see where he's coming from and it's doesn't look like a particularly manipulative place.  I might be wrong and will certainly go back and re-evaluate as necessary but for D1 I wouldn't want to waste my time there. 

 

Will go back and look at Seph again as much as I can, but I have about half an hour left before I need to get ready for work so it might be a little more sketchy.

I'd love to get your take on Seph actually. That's probably the one I want the most.

[seph]

I'm around for a bit but this might be the last time until after eod sadly. I'll get a vote in and really read from where I last left off as I saw some questions for me.

[Shad_]

There is no bro club

 

If I thought monstr or clov or seph or sooh were wolves I would lunch them into oblivion (or at least try to) - ask any of them, I've done it before

 

I still evaluate every little thing they do

 

Familiarity of play allows you to have a higher degree of confidence with your reads on someone; goal for me is simply to try to have the best reads

This.

[monstrman]

I don't like clov's post wherr he said "lol I'm quitting"

 

That said, I like that it was at least partly a lie and he hasn't quit yet

 

but I am watching you clov

[Shad_]

 

There is no bro club

 

If I thought monstr or clov or seph or sooh were wolves I would lunch them into oblivion (or at least try to) - ask any of them, I've done it before

 

I still evaluate every little thing they do

 

Familiarity of play allows you to have a higher degree of confidence with your reads on someone; goal for me is simply to try to have the best reads

 

Bro club are all nodding at this.

 

lol

[Clovdyx]

I'm not sure I touched on this post earlier but I pretty much locked Sooh in as a villager after this post, less so for the actual content and more for the event, when it happened, and the speed of her reaction to it.

 

Basically ed makes a "slip" accusation at killashandra that wasn't a slip whatsoever.

 

According to seph (and I think this is perfectly believable from a town!seph POV, but that's irrelevant) he glazed over what ed was saying, thought it was real, then after reacting read it more fully and realized it wasn't a real slip of any sort hence the unvote.

 

So why is Sooh's response important?

 

Sooh replies to seph ~2 minutes after seph's posts and responds to something else between the two on the same subject. So she's active & present in the thread and these are her direct unfiltered reactions to events.

 

I have problems believing Sooh would so quickly clear the air as a wolf, or at least have the presence of mind to immediately address a miscommunication / misunderstanding. Sooh makes calculated decisions as a wolf typically to see if something is going to be in her benefit or not. There's a lot of worlds here (if Killa is a villager, there's a mild chaotic push going against her that at the very moment of the event might seem like it won't immediately defuse / if Killa is a wolf it's a push on a wolf on poor context and while it can be "cleared up" I rarely see wolves so quickly come to the defense of a wolfbro without due consideration).

 

Point being: the fact that Sooh immediately and genuinely responded to the event is suggestive that she's just playing from her head the way she does as a villager. Not sure that'll make sense to anyone else, but these are the type of things that are really important to me.

 

 

This is pretty much what I figured at when you said #timingtells.  I had to go back and look at the timestamps to confirm it, but yeah, she sees Seph make the post doubling down on the "slip" and immediately (correctly) refutes it, even though Seph himself moved on from it.

 

Literally the only way I see Sooh doing that is if she's scum with Killashandra.  Mafia!Sooh isn't going to see an absolutely terrible push on a townie and go out of her way to fight it when it's fresh and there's otherwise not a whole lot of reason to defend it.

 

 

And for those of you still in doubt, this is town Cory. I have never seen this from scum Cory to this extent.

 

I would guess with a decent amount of confidence I have, but I agree with your conclusion - and had their slot is pretty solidly town before that post - to the point where I really don't care to prove myself right.  Absolute worst case scenario is we randed a version with the SK and the could be that, since they'd still have to figure out people out, but until there's evidence of that and the other 57 better lynch candidates in the game get cleared up, there no reason anyone should even consider going down that rabbit hole.

 

 

Also if they're the SK he probably shoots me tonight and it's not my problem anymore, so I'd have that going for me

 

I'm not sure I touched on this post earlier but I pretty much locked Sooh in as a villager after this post, less so for the actual content and more for the event, when it happened, and the speed of her reaction to it.

 

Basically ed makes a "slip" accusation at killashandra that wasn't a slip whatsoever.

 

According to seph (and I think this is perfectly believable from a town!seph POV, but that's irrelevant) he glazed over what ed was saying, thought it was real, then after reacting read it more fully and realized it wasn't a real slip of any sort hence the unvote.

 

So why is Sooh's response important?

 

Sooh replies to seph ~2 minutes after seph's posts and responds to something else between the two on the same subject. So she's active & present in the thread and these are her direct unfiltered reactions to events.

 

I have problems believing Sooh would so quickly clear the air as a wolf, or at least have the presence of mind to immediately address a miscommunication / misunderstanding. Sooh makes calculated decisions as a wolf typically to see if something is going to be in her benefit or not. There's a lot of worlds here (if Killa is a villager, there's a mild chaotic push going against her that at the very moment of the event might seem like it won't immediately defuse / if Killa is a wolf it's a push on a wolf on poor context and while it can be "cleared up" I rarely see wolves so quickly come to the defense of a wolfbro without due consideration).

 

Point being: the fact that Sooh immediately and genuinely responded to the event is suggestive that she's just playing from her head the way she does as a villager. Not sure that'll make sense to anyone else, but these are the type of things that are really important to me.

 

 

This is pretty much what I figured at when you said #timingtells.  I had to go back and look at the timestamps to confirm it, but yeah, she sees Seph make the post doubling down on the "slip" and immediately (correctly) refutes it, even though Seph himself moved on from it.

 

Literally the only way I see Sooh doing that is if she's scum with Killashandra.  Mafia!Sooh isn't going to see an absolutely terrible push on a townie and go out of her way to fight it when it's fresh and there's otherwise not a whole lot of reason to defend it.

[Clovdyx]

I don't like clov's post wherr he said "lol I'm quitting"

 

That said, I like that it was at least partly a lie and he hasn't quit yet

 

but I am watching you clov

 

I never said I'm quitting.  I said I don't care - which is true.  I barely cared to make an effort before; I sure as hell don't now.

 

 

Unless you took the "I was going to play mafia" part literally, which is fair enough, but wasn't the intent.  One might say I was going to go hard in the paint.  Now I'm mostly just going to be here and slank it.

[Clovdyx]

One day, Chrome will let me efficiently and effectively post quotes how I intend.  It appears that day is not today.  It will probably not be tomorrow either.

[monstrman]

lol i feel that on a spiritual level

 

i still think you're prolly a villager (unless you're a wolf then I knew it all along)

[Clovdyx]

lol i feel that on a spiritual level

 

i still think you're prolly a villager (unless you're a wolf then I knew it all along)

 

I wish I was, if it helps.

[Cory Caboose]

I think has been pretty okay so far

 

Let my hot air be wind for yr sails friendos

[Songstress]

So my browser just shut down with a half-written post, that was fun.  Thankfully I hadn't decided to grab quotes because I don't have time to get too in depth.

 

I just re-read Seph's ISO and he's really been all over the map - between that and his approach to not reading me well, it does remind me of Fight Club.  I never actually felt fully comfortable with him that game and it was only that last night when Dice shot me that I started thinking I might be able to move him up to my town list, especially with my realization that I needed to check my read on Dice.   

 

So this game, I'm not fully comfortable.  The Killashandra vote and unvote spun my head a bit, but it's hard to pin down whether that was a legit "wait, I misread that" or a self-conscious "wait, jumping on that looks really opportunistic, IMMEDIATE COURSE CORRECTION NEEDED.'   If I had to guess, I'd lean more toward the first because the rest of his posting doesn't feel like he's approaching the game that self-consciously.

 

@ DPR - I don't think it's worth my energy just yet worrying about him too much.  If I try to play like you do, I would have too many suspects to choose from D1 and I am indecisive by nature.  It's not uncommon for me to have a problem deciding who to vote D1 so I have to narrow the field with gut reads and insubstantial town leans in order to pick one or two people to focus on.  A lot of them are going to be flimsy and fence-sitty at first.  Worry about me more if I'm still wavering on half the game on D3, and if I can't back up and explain my suspicions with any sort of recognizable logic.

[Tigraine]

Okay, I'm finally up to the minute here.

 

It's been a while since I've played mafia and I haven't played with all of you so here's what I've got so far....

 

I'm not going to quote anyone in this because it's based on the first 14 pages or so. The harmless "you're cool, you're cool, you're scum" banter doesn't really mean much however in particular these four stood out to me manbat, shad, Steph and sooh. In the beginning they were the ones posting the most but it was always two against two. One would say specifically point out two others and say 1 is scum 2 is cool. I seem to recall all 4 doing that at one point. (I started my read last night and fell asleep). Yes I know others have pointed fingers but there's was in a consistent, pointed manner.

 

Ed has always been a hard read for me, especially with his drunk drama queen self. It's a toss of the coin with him.

 

killasandra being new giver her quite an advantage in that anything that is slipped up on or that someone attacks her for can be attributed to that. As far as newbies usually being town the first time, while the statistics and odds may favor that, I say it's crap to use as a reason in your own defense. I also tend to lean towards scummy on ones that specifically go for the "kill me or don't, I don't care" line. Because she's new? Or because she thinks it will help portray the persona?

 

DPR to me, has always been a good one to keep around in the beginning because he always had good casings on everyone, be they scum or not. That's a valuable asset but until late game it's hard to tell if his casings are for the good or bad of the town.

 

Day 1 has never told me much until after it has ended. On the off chance that mafia is lynched today, I would look to those that chased then the hardest as the remaining scum. Only because I believe that to be a good strategy in looking vanilla.

[Cory Caboose]

Tress how do you feel about DPR?

 

I just read 4 isos of him (his latest two town games, one 3P and a mafia game from 2014 lol) and had some immediate conclusions I'd prefer to sit on for now

 

Curious about your take :)

[monstrman]

hello tigraine i am monstrmanbat

 

what do you think of seph/shad/manbat/sooh in regards to their alignments (v/w)?

[Shad_]

I don't think it was alignment indicative either way, but that's just me. If he's a villager, he reread what ed said and realized it made no sense and unvoted. If he's a wolf, he reread what ed said and realized it made no sense and unvoted.

 

My inclination to call it villagery stems from the fact that I would have performed the 30 second "will this make me look terrible" check before dropping the vote, not immediately afterwards.  Doing it anyway to fake impulsive because villagers are way more likely to be impulsive is a card I'll always carry up my sleeve, but that's come from a lot of experience in what I can personally get away with.  Simply being that impulsive as a wolf is rare but Eldrick does it and if Seph's a wolf then he's clearly done it a dozen times over in this game.  It basically goes back to "is this what I think seph's scum game would look like" and the answer is no I really don't.

 

If it had been a 5 minute unvote I'd probably feel null to wary about it.

[Cory Caboose]

Like that Tigraine post fwiw

[monstrman]

idk what seph's scum game looks like

 

probably a wolfy version of his town game

[Cory Caboose]

Though I'd like it better if I got a namedrop and maybe a "cory is very handsome" somewhere in there