[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[The Crusher]

dpr- if crusher is scum and you are town how would he interact with you? Is he more likely to give you a town read with or without much question, since im assuming how he is talking about you this game?

crush pretty much the same question for dpr.

 

 

I read DPR by his approach to the game after it gets rolling. When he is scum he relies on confusion and adds to that by trolling anyone who susses him.  He does not back down and hides as most people do as scum. He stands up and waves his dick at everyone. The main give away is his approach to the game. I saw a post he made in interacting with Darthe that made me pretty sure he is town this game. I can go get it when I get a minute. When he is scum he will do anything he can to make the game more confusing.

 

His approach to me is not changed too much,  

[The Crusher]

Yolo tink and cass for the W?

 

 

 

Yolo tink and cass for the W?

 

 

No Yolo.

 

Start fresh.

 

Forget all the BS -no more  tonereading, no more "this is what happened in a different game", no more "trust me - I know ______ is scum".

 

Just good ol' fashioned scum-hunting. 

 

This is a post I do not see DPR making as scum.  If he was scum and thought he could get Darthe to run amok he would have fed the fire here. No way does he talk him down.

[seph]

 

dpr- if crusher is scum and you are town how would he interact with you? Is he more likely to give you a town read with or without much question, since im assuming how he is talking about you this game?

crush pretty much the same question for dpr.

 

 

I read DPR by his approach to the game after it gets rolling. When he is scum he relies on confusion and adds to that by trolling anyone who susses him.  He does not back down and hides as most people do as scum. He stands up and waves his dick at everyone. The main give away is his approach to the game. I saw a post he made in interacting with Darthe that made me pretty sure he is town this game. I can go get it when I get a minute. When he is scum he will do anything he can to make the game more confusing.

 

His approach to me is not changed too much,  

 

do you think bringing up the notbob vote for speculation was confusion? I even started speculating and if it wasn't for kronos day 2 the town would be in a much worse situation I think. how often does he rely on something he think might of happened rather than the facts, and don't get me wrong I know he has his points he has made d1 about lizclov that are not just spec.

[The Crusher]

 

 

 

 

 

Screw it I think this lynch gives just as much info as the hydra and notbob's play hasn't been the best. I would rather bet kissyclov is town over notbob and this is the only way i can save them. 

#yolo [unvote] [v] notbbob [/v] #feelsright

 

 

You had me nodding with appreciation as you summed up your case on Eldrick as it was well thought out and with plenty of supporting evidence. 

 

Then you drop your vote on NB without building much of a case at all.

 

Will you say a bit more about your reasoning here - specifically the post where you commented that you could almost vote NB for the post of his that you quoted?

essentially I am not getting eldrick lynched within the next 3 hours or so? While re reading I kept noticing alot of my town reads are reading him highly, and they do in fact read them better than me. So in point here, yes I would like to lynch him, but no its not happening today.

I think lizclov has a better chance at being town over notbob/eldrick/tink so i would like to divert that lynch if at all possible. the best chance I have is a notbob lynch as it still would provide useful info and I do not think I would be lynching a townieover it.

 

 

Fair enough.

 

Will you explain one other point? In the quote I mentioned before ( including NB saying that he doesn't make town-reads on D1) you said that you could almost vote him for that post. I don't see the reason for that. What is the reason?

We have Cloviz as close to a smoking gun you can hope to day 1 in my opinion. But upon catching up 7 pages of horrifying multi quoted gobble gook. Yet, this is jetscodes scum meta without question. More of a big gut feeling guy but this is pretty spot on. I was iffy on him earlier but he isn't kicking in doors and interviewing people like he does as town. I mean hell, he hasn't even addressed me at all yet. If he did I missed it. Definitely gotten worse as day one has gone on. You know I know him very well and I find myself agreeing with What Sooh and Seph has said. Trying to convince myself it's because he is not done reading.

 

[unvote] [v]jetscode[/v]

 

crusher I have a question regarding the boldl If you were so adamant lizclov is mafia, why switch over without trying to argue a case for your current vote. it seemed like you wanted lizclov to be lynched more throughout the day, and even in this pots with the bold.

I also say adamant because you went after her d2 as well and your posts were not as pro town as day 1 where I thought you did have a good thought process.

 

Now you were obviously the deciding vote in the swing to lynch notbob and that itself has its town cred, but I think i may have had you higher on my original list than i needed. 

 

 Because if you look at my other post I knew jetscode got in late and was like 30 pages behind. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at first. But the more I read the more he hit scum tells. Then I read you and Soohs post and decided to look even closer. It was classic scum Jetscode. No reason to wait. He has to go.

[The Crusher]

 

 

dpr- if crusher is scum and you are town how would he interact with you? Is he more likely to give you a town read with or without much question, since im assuming how he is talking about you this game?

crush pretty much the same question for dpr.

 

 

I read DPR by his approach to the game after it gets rolling. When he is scum he relies on confusion and adds to that by trolling anyone who susses him.  He does not back down and hides as most people do as scum. He stands up and waves his dick at everyone. The main give away is his approach to the game. I saw a post he made in interacting with Darthe that made me pretty sure he is town this game. I can go get it when I get a minute. When he is scum he will do anything he can to make the game more confusing.

 

His approach to me is not changed too much,  

 

do you think bringing up the notbob vote for speculation was confusion? I even started speculating and if it wasn't for kronos day 2 the town would be in a much worse situation I think. how often does he rely on something he think might of happened rather than the facts, and don't get me wrong I know he has his points he has made d1 about lizclov that are not just spec.

 

Woah. Give me a minute with this one. I got some people to take care of. I will be back to take care of it.

[seph]

 

Yolo tink and cass for the W?

 

 

 

Yolo tink and cass for the W?

 

 

No Yolo.

 

Start fresh.

 

Forget all the BS -no more  tonereading, no more "this is what happened in a different game", no more "trust me - I know ______ is scum".

 

Just good ol' fashioned scum-hunting. 

 

This is a post I do not see DPR making as scum.  If he was scum and thought he could get Darthe to run amok he would have fed the fire here. No way does he talk him down.

 

ha just made a post about speculation lol. but if one of those is a teammate if he is a wolf I would disagree. I don't think it would be hard for a scum to make that post, but I would agree its more townsided. The thing that has bugged me the most recently is his reaction to the eld red view, and i felt he was caught off guard regardless of alignment, since he was in a hurry. I just did not like his responses. ill post them in a second.

[Hallia]

OK I'm caught up finally.. I'm interested in seeing the explanation for hallia reads. I didn't see her saying she would explain as she goes. Nothing looks to crazy on there besides the Darth read.

@hallia why did you leave me off :(

OMG I DID

 

I'm sorry <3

 

I've had and still have you as a very firm town read, I'd say below Wolfie and Dice

[Darthe]

I see so many posts on so many players that im completely ignoring.

 

Why are we trying to resolve on DPR, seph, liz, crush, etc today? Theyre not relevant so long as we have three living quiet players and a near guaranteed wolf among them. We could even no lynch today and it would be +ev, I mean we are up 2 wolves and had no nk last night.

[seph]

 

Still a stand off ugh.

 

I hate doing this.

 

I happen to know that Eldrick was visited last night because I did it.

 

I'm a town odd night witness and I viewed Eldrick last night.  The response came back as guilty.

 

 

 

Role Description:

The Witness may each night investigate a player and learn that player's alignment. If the targeted player is killed by a faction (such as the mafia), the Witness will instead learn the alignment of a randomly chosen player from that faction. If the target is killed by a Vigilante or a different killing type role acting alone, the Witness will learn the alignment of that player.

 

mu description

 

 

 

Hold up.

 

This is not what Eldrick described - I'm running out the door and don't have time to find Eldrick's post, but I quoted it enough - he said that he was in communication with the mod, before daybreak, and he had a choice to make. That doesn't jive at all with the role description above.

 

I'm not moving my vote - this looks like another way to pull votes off liz/clov - exactly what I was talking about.

 

 

 

 

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

 

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

 

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

 

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

 

 

This is Eldrick's claim.

 

How the hell does this match up to Kronos' "Witness" claim?

 

I have a meeting in 15 mins, so I'm out until after deadline. Please, somebody with a working brain look at this situation. 

 

My vote stays.

 

I still don't understand this

[seph]

I see so many posts on so many players that im completely ignoring.

 

Why are we trying to resolve on DPR, seph, liz, crush, etc today? Theyre not relevant so long as we have three living quiet players and a near guaranteed wolf among them. We could even no lynch today and it would be +ev, I mean we are up 2 wolves and had no nk last night.

Because dpr is someone I am trying to figure out darthe, so im trying to interact with him. #deal with it

 

who are the 3 you recommend because i only remember 2. and who would you like to see lynched out of the 3

[Wildfire Sedai]

Dice: What time do you have to go to work?????

[Wildfire Sedai]

er BE at work???

[Darthe]

 

I see so many posts on so many players that im completely ignoring.

 

Why are we trying to resolve on DPR, seph, liz, crush, etc today? Theyre not relevant so long as we have three living quiet players and a near guaranteed wolf among them. We could even no lynch today and it would be +ev, I mean we are up 2 wolves and had no nk last night.

Because dpr is someone I am trying to figure out darthe, so im trying to interact with him. #deal with it

 

who are the 3 you recommend because i only remember 2. and who would you like to see lynched out of the 3

Hallia atm is important for me to resolve to get a better solve, and I think she is my preferred lynch. Dpr could be a wolf but its generally unlikely. My current stance on him is that he is town.

[seph]

vote LizClov

 

Can swap to Eldrick. He seems too concerned with how he's coming across.

 

 

 

god i hop they are scum then, with he amount of time remaining i don't see me being able to convince anyone else on the train.

alot of my town reads are reading eldrick as town somehow, but im not the best at reading him. His play this game has been really sketchy.

 

this is basically where i am atm 

 

 

Town

 Darthe 

(Cuth)

(dicetosser1)

Sooh)

Cass)

DPR 

 

slight town

Hallia)

The Crusher)

 

(Wildfire Sedai)

 (WolfbrotherKronos)

Spoof

MrsClov and Lizabeth)

 

Would lynch

NotBob  (鲍勃不是我的名字)

(Eldrick4221)

 (Tiinker)

I think at the moment I would rather lynch any of those 3 over the hydra. Notbob recent posts look horrible to me. I just keep getting the feeling that the hydra is town, especially with how the votes have landed here recently. 

notbob/ eldrick build some tension and then the hydra gets two votes. 

 

 

8 town reads on Day 1 and you've got me lowest from 4 posts and I'm voting someone who's not even in your town list. I just don't know. These must be the thinnest reads ever.

 

 

wolves are usually the most concerned about other peoples reads like how you just posted. I would bet I have at max 1 if any wolfs in my top town reads. I am pretty confident in them for day 1 town reads. I think its a bit better than the 0 reads you have given. at least people can see my thoughts.

 

 

in stead of worrying about mine, how bout you post yours with some explanations :)

 

 

 

Lol

 

 

how do you go from these 3 posts to something like below. there was a few others i like as well d2 im literally just so tilted with you tiink....

 

 

Up to page 50, Crush and Eldrick are pushing entirely different agendas. Not massively confident in my reads.

 

Eldrick flip flopping doesn't ring any bells but usually he walks through almost all small details which he shows when he says things like "he wrote scum before he wrote town. Indicative?" and things like that but when it came to LizClov he looked super hesitant to join on her votes despite the fact that she was playing ridiculously scummy and when he finally does it's with the reason that she was asking "who my teammates would be?". Sad excuse to vote, like he needed a new reason to vote her since he didn't want to look like he was "bandwagoning". 

 

Then he changes his mind when she loses heat because of the amount of heat she's gotten but has slowly convinced himself without having posted much about it in the thread - not in line with his meta.

 

vote Eldrick

 

I mentioned Crush because on page  35 or something Liz had lost a lot of momentum, DPR voted her to bring her back to 3 votes and Crush calls her a "solid scum" but doesn't vote until later.

 

I'm going to take a look at NB train later because I actually didn't think he looked to be playing too differently to how he normally does but I seem to be inept at reading him.

 

how do you go from these 3 posts to something like below. there was a few others i like im literally just so tilted with you tiink....

 

[seph]

hallia's iso was so genuine to me tbh. I think he catch up posts will be a big help in that department though.

[seph]

ebwodp her...
and bed

[The Crusher]

 

 

Still a stand off ugh.

 

I hate doing this.

 

I happen to know that Eldrick was visited last night because I did it.

 

I'm a town odd night witness and I viewed Eldrick last night.  The response came back as guilty.

 

 

 

Role Description:

The Witness may each night investigate a player and learn that player's alignment. If the targeted player is killed by a faction (such as the mafia), the Witness will instead learn the alignment of a randomly chosen player from that faction. If the target is killed by a Vigilante or a different killing type role acting alone, the Witness will learn the alignment of that player.

 

mu description

 

 

 

Hold up.

 

This is not what Eldrick described - I'm running out the door and don't have time to find Eldrick's post, but I quoted it enough - he said that he was in communication with the mod, before daybreak, and he had a choice to make. That doesn't jive at all with the role description above.

 

I'm not moving my vote - this looks like another way to pull votes off liz/clov - exactly what I was talking about.

 

 

 

 

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

 

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

 

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

 

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

 

 

This is Eldrick's claim.

 

How the hell does this match up to Kronos' "Witness" claim?

 

I have a meeting in 15 mins, so I'm out until after deadline. Please, somebody with a working brain look at this situation. 

 

My vote stays.

 

I still don't understand this

 

Hold on for a second. Just because I have an idea of how DPR plays as town and scum I did not mean to insinuate I understand all he does. He is a natural story teller so he does take creative license when he cases people. This is part of what he does to scum hunt. He puts bait out when he cases and even antagonizes a little to see who nibbles. But if you and are talking as friends about 35% of what he post drifts by me like a breeze in the wind.

 

For example that end of day 1 diatribe he put on you didn't connect with me except the one part that he talked about he and I being damn if we did damn if we dont because it seemed you where ready to implicate us regardless. Lying in waiting if you will. Not bringing this up to rehash it because we did that but Im bringing it up to show you that I learned to take parts of what he says as they relate to what I see and toss away the stuff he embellishes on. Guy is a professional fiction writer, not sure he has the ability to turn that off,.

[The Crusher]

 

 

I see so many posts on so many players that im completely ignoring.

 

Why are we trying to resolve on DPR, seph, liz, crush, etc today? Theyre not relevant so long as we have three living quiet players and a near guaranteed wolf among them. We could even no lynch today and it would be +ev, I mean we are up 2 wolves and had no nk last night.

Because dpr is someone I am trying to figure out darthe, so im trying to interact with him. #deal with it

 

who are the 3 you recommend because i only remember 2. and who would you like to see lynched out of the 3

Hallia atm is important for me to resolve to get a better solve, and I think she is my preferred lynch. Dpr could be a wolf but its generally unlikely. My current stance on him is that he is town.

 

Tinker, Halia, Cuth.  Need to take another good look at each of them myself.

[BFG]

Liz/Mrs Clov Train 1 (posts 1-424)

 

Sooh: Eldrick (20 U25)

 

Darthe (1): Cass (30)

 

Dice (1): Liz/Mrs Clov (63)

 

Liz (5): Dice (65), Eldrick (93 U121), Darthe (220), Seph (277), Cuth (300), Eldrick (424)

 

Hallia (1): Kronos (70)

 

Eldrick (2): DPR (91), Seph (178 U277)

 

 

 

#24 Eldrick asks Mrs Clov to be easy to read

 

#37 Eldrick gives Cass a light town read for digging in and making reads already - so far Cass has been mimicking Zander, I'm not seeing any reads, Cass responds in #43 with mild suspicion and #45 Eldrick says she needs to keep it up.

Torn here, on the one hand very early town reads from scum tend to be accurate, on the other Eldrick already broke a few generic tells :sigh: and Cass's response seems relatively mild from how I remember her town play.

 

#65 Dice votes Lizzie and Clyde; +early vote, +relaxed (bonnie and Clyde joke), -incorrect reasoning, and reasoning shifts when the mistake is pointed out, -self conscious (conscious of how other people are going to view the vote). This would probably be abnormally early aggression from scum!Dice, need to track where this goes

 

#71 Eldrick doesn't like 'if I get in trouble I'm blaming it all on you' from Liz, says it's suspicious, but doesn't push it

 

#85 Cass corrects Dice

 

#91 DPR votes Eldrick - superficially looks good without knowing more of DPRs playstyle, the fact that he seems to instantly infer bussing suggests he may be more used to it/inclined to bus than I'm used to, so can't place as much value in it as I'd like - but it still gets brownie points overall

 

#93 Eldrick votes Liz based on the explanation 'blame it on ENFP all you want...'

 

#94 MrsClov defends Eldrick 'being wound up is just Eldrick...' followed by Liz in 97

 

#100 Liz explains vote to Eldrick, #109 Eldrick doesn't change opinion, extended exchange reads well from Liz wanting to be understood, 114 from Liz implies that Eldrick is misinterpreting what she said, it would read oddly as m/m communication, but not out of Liz's range (from what I've heard )

 

At this point Liz/MrsClov are actually asking a fairly broad reach of questions for the stage of the game

 

#112 Cass agrees with DPR about Eldrick

 

#113 second mention by Eldrick about not wanting to lynch DPR Day 1

 

#117 Eldrick has reasons to towered Liz? 119 Early backtrack and unvote in 121

 

#122 Liz questions Cass on Eldrick, would guess that Cass/Liz not m/m (also DPR/Liz but that shouldn't need stating at this point)

 

#135 Dice accepts the correction, still doesn't like the vote for the 'hypocrisy'

And then calls out the OMGUS. Mrs Clov responds 'out of context'. I dislike this entire argument as pointless. Already pointed to a different game where a hydra's done that as town (admittedly with different types of players). The OMGUS is borderline semantics. Dice is actually incorporating more stuff in his read though, I know by Day 2 it seemed to me to have stalled, but at this point Dice is actually looking pretty good for it.

 

#143 DPR follows up the Eldrick read (read's pretty nuanced) +

 

#144 Eldrick backtracks the backtrack in response to Dice, don't see this as m/m. Not sure if Eldrick wants to be on the right side of a lynch here, or is looking for a ML, there's a lot of interaction between them when, usually mafia avoid each other, but not sure how much stock I can put in that given Eldrick has already broken some of the generalities, and Liz in general

 

#178 Seph votes Eldrick

 

#203 Crusher asks Eldrick if he has to worry about him

 

#205 reads really well from Liz, looking for follow up from Cass (as of 427 no follow up)

 

#209 Cuth reads Dice town

 

#219 Eldrick defends early town Liz read

 

#220 Darthe votes Liz, generic wolfy comment

 

#229 Eldrick questions Cuth's early town read on Dice would be strange if Dice/Eldrick were m/m and really strange if this was m/m/m

 

#238 Darthe unsure if Eldrick grew or just good rationale - later stated he was suspicious of Eldrick due to Eldricks lack of early suspicion - but phrasing here is positive(?)

 

#242 Darthe has Cass/Crush/Hallia as town - guessing these won't be explained 246 Kronos town

 

#245 Seph questions Eldricks town read of Liz

 

#249 Darthe had Eldrick as slight town, but sterile posts

 

#255 Cass reads Eldrick as being given the wileys, bitconverned he's a ML - yet earlier was ok with suspicion on Eldrick Mrs Clov and not worried about traction building on Liz/Mrs Clov?

 

#258 Cuth doesn't like Lizs response [to Darthe], wtl

 

#274 is pretty valid from Cuth, Liz's response to Dice/Darthe is internally inconsistent

 

#277 Seph votes and explains reason on Liz - still no explanation for Eldrick vote - Seph/LizClov/Eldrick unlikely to be m/m/m

 

#279 Darthe agreeing with DPR reading Eldrick as scum, but has him as slight town?

 

#297 Cuth votes Liz

 

#309 infamous statement lol, mostly null from Liz, would read better if it was a simple 'who else is scum', the focus reads as an attempt to clear them as is, but I understand where this is coming from if they're town. This is early in Day 1, there's been little looking elsewhere so if they flip town there's little information to be gained. If mafia they also need the game to move elsewhere so???

 

#312 Darthe likes Eldricks response - possible interesting phrasing given that DPRs read is wound up and Darthe is saying relaxed, but probably nothing important

 

#317 Seph isn't sure he has a read below null - but already voted Eldrick???

 

#338 Reads badly for Liz - why not state your read on Dice?

 

#345 Reads badly since Liz doesn't seem to be inferring anything from Eldricks not taking DPRs alignment into consideration

 

#370 Seph notes Eldrick staying out of conversation

 

#381 Eldrick reads Cuth as slight scum - timing is interesting as Cuth has really started to dig at Liz at this point

 

#384 Cuth digs into the 'who are my partners' thing (response in 397 is exactly what I expect from Liz)

 

#395 Seph asks why the hydra's vote is still on Dice

 

#410 Cuth follows up on Liz leaving vote on Dice when they think he's town

 

#418 reads as genuine frustration for being misunderstood to me (Liz)

 

#422 Eldrick jumps on the teammate thing (votes 424)

 

 

 

 

No YOLO reads so...

 

Kronos

 

Dice

Cuth

 

Kronos, obvious is obvious

 

Dice reads better with context and probably isn't m/m with Eldrick

 

Cuth seems to be genuinely digging into his reads

 

Would YOLO DPR on the list, the read/vote on Eldrick was early, nuanced and reads well, but not quite there yet.

 

Seph is saying a lot of good things but,

@Seph can you explain why you voted Eldrick initially?

Probably isn't m/m with Liz/MrsClov

 

Darthe is mostly null, his current stance on Eldrick isn't great and doesn't seem to line up with what he said later about being suspicious of Eldrick due to his lack of paranoia on Darthe

 

Not sure how much of my read on Liz/MrsClov is being influenced by the 'must be scum' and 'must be town' players

 

In general Liz is playing closer to her town game than scum, as scum she had a much narrower focus, whereas here she has branched out early, but I don't think the scum game I have for her is necessarily indicative of her scum game since I believe her when she said she had problems with the volume, the fact that she's keeping up better is a superficial good look.

 

Dislike some of her posts but nothing that reads damming to me.

 

Don't think either the 'hypocrisy' in the early vote or 309 are AI for her.

 

No read on Mrs Clov independently at this point, which seems off.

 

They have a tonne of odd interactions with Eldrick early, which I don't know how to read but mostly from Eldrick's side who looks as if he doesn't know which side of the argument he wants to come down on. That said he's already voted them in thread, so is clearly ok with bussing if partners, but timing is different, between sussing when no one else is and sussing when he could get them lynched.

 

Eldrick is their first town read out of the players sussing them and comes when he reconsiders early on, the timing of this reads slightly townie to me but Ugh

 

I guess if I had to read them at this point it would be a cautious null-very slight town read on Liz, null on MrsClov and null-??? from Eldrick interactions so glglme?

[BFG]

Seph can you explain your initial vote on Eldrick (in case it gets missed in the above) :)

[BFG]

 

 

 

@DPR - because I don't remember anything from Eldrick about a delayed response, so I was curious as to where it came from

 

@Cuth - because typically mafia don't try to lynch teammates Day 1, NBs vote switch looked like self pres away from a Liz/Mrs Clov train that had died to Eldrick who people were starting to talk about

 

To save the following conversation:

 

there were some posts of WiFi's that read well for her, but I can't remember specifically what they are, I can probably pull them as I read through if needed

 

You, Liz, Seph all seemed to take a part in NBs lynch, superficially this looks good for you, NB seemed to want to get Eldrick and Liz/Mrs Clov lynched, superficially this looks good for them. It was a starting point.

 

Obviously superficial isn't going to work this game :/

 

 

NB's move clearly was not self preservation - he intentionally put himself in harm's way.

 

The bold is a large part of the reason I've felt like liz/clov needed to be sorted above everybody else. 

 

Your laying the evidence out and then acting like it says the opposite of how I see it...

 

Day 1 there were 3 trains going into end of day, NB, Liz/Clov and Eldrick

 

NB wasn't voting himself and was on Liz/Mrs Clov - Yes. She was at 6 and NB was at 4, including the mysterious yolo vote by Seph. NB was not an active train.

 

Most of the people NOT voting Liz/Mrs Clov and were around(?) had already indicated that they weren't voting there that day, so that wagon had stalled - But it was still ahead by 2 votes and the deadline was only 3 hours away at rush hour on a weekday.

 

Crusher (at the least) had indicated that he was going to look into NB so there was a chance that his train was going to equal/better Liz/Mrs Clov regardless of what NB did with his vote - That would have pulled NB to 5 vs. liz/clov at 6 and no guarantee that anyone would make it on before deadline. No reason for NB move.

 

Seph was voting NB but had considered Eldrick if his train was higher, and in general getting people off NB onto Eldrick works best for NB at that point. I think that Eldrick was gathering attention at that point, so was a more likely lynch than Liz/Mrs Clov (whose train had stalled) - Seph laid out a beautiful case on Eldrick. Then he yolo voted NB for no given reason. Nobody questioned it but me. But there was still no reason for NB to move - liz/clov was still ahead by 2 votes.

 

 

 

Obviously NB/Eldrick both flipped mafia, so the above is wrong, but yes at the time it looked like self pres - Under no scenario does NB moving his vote from liz/clov to Eldrick equate into self preservation. None. 

 

 

 

 

And yes, we view the game differently XD

 

 

 

I'm in blue above.

 

I'm also feeling a lot worse about your inability to see what happened.

 

What happened was that NB unvoted Liz/Mrs Clov to put them at 5-5. Everything beyond that is speculation. I will agree that it was a strange move, I just think it's a strange move regardless of what alignment Liz/MrsClov turn out to be. Hence null

[seph]

My only question plain and simple was if you thought he was trying to cause confusion or not with the day 2 argument as town i think your opinion.on the matter is important to me. Because only not Bob and his team will honestly know at the end of the day what his reason was.

 

 

I kind of took your response as a defense of dpr with your first few sentences, which is fine but noted.

I do appreciate your answer about him being a storyteller though, I think you can see that in his play but I never really got a straight answer.

 

I'm assuming in a round about way you were telling me no?

But do you think his theory about not Bob was more to cause confusing, or him trying to scumhunt? I didn't really see exactly what he garnered from it except a worse read on me and big for viewing it a different way.

[seph]

Bfg I literally cased him most of day one:( I don't wanna search for it lol.

 

I Had some thought on him around page 10 for how different he was playing compared to his last game, his unvote of Liz where he was confused why cut asked me and not him, he looked extremely lost on what to do.

And I made another case before my vote which I think tied it all together

[seph]

You all are keeping me up..

[BFG]

Bfg I literally cased him most of day one:( I don't wanna search for it lol.

 

I Had some thought on him around page 10 for how different he was playing compared to his last game, his unvote of Liz where he was confused why cut asked me and not him, he looked extremely lost on what to do.

And I made another case before my vote which I think tied it all together

I'm still only a third of the way through Day 1 lol,

 

Your initial posts:

Fluff

Vote Eldrick

Something (unexplained) to previous game need to read through - response to Cass

Lock Dice in as town

Like Cut read on Dice

Explain Dice read

Disagree with Eldrick about whether asking questions is enough for a town read (on Liz)

Darthe

Cass lean town

Darthe town

Vote Liz with explanation

 

It's not that the above is bad and I like a lot of your posts/thought processes but the unexplained Eldrick vote reads oddly compared to how much you dig into Liz later. I also know you vote Eldrick again later, but I'm not there yet