British Monarchy Mafia- Game Over, Town Wins!!!

[Eldrick4221]

  On 7/10/2015 at 2:31 AM, seph said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 6:52 PM, Pralaya said:

Anyway, [v]lord of the dawn[/v]

 

Based on my earlier reads. I don't think his reads are that organic when you look at it. The vote train on JS looks definitely scum driven.

Pral has your view on zander changed? Or is it just lord?

 

 

How do you not have any reads at the moment eldrick? Can't you give us something...

 

Has anyone played with dawn before? Even his reads list feels off.

I think I just personally hate when people joke with themselves in their own reads list. I remember snow did this in a game as scum, and I haven't got over it...

 

Sorry. I had a busy evening. Reads I have now, in no particular order (just what comes to mind)

 

I haven't seen anything particularily scummy.

 

I didn't like JS's play, but I'm accepting his explanation. Null for now.

 

I've liked Razen's play. Towny posts and easy to understand where he's coming from. Town read

 

Zander on the whole has been towny. I didn't like that he was pushing his "I am town because I have high post count", but I do think he's town. Town read

 

I didn't like that Dice's vote on Zander, because Zander typed in caps. It's a crappy reason to vote someone, and to my knowledge it's still there. Null to slight scum.

 

Laine isn't the strong towny presence I am expecting from her. I don't like that. She is apparently in another game, but that's no excuse. Also Null to slight scum.

 

 

I've liked Seph's game so far. Lots of towny posts and moving the thread along. Town read.

 

I don't have any issues with Heart. I like this playstyle over her typical teal deer style, but that's just me. She's been easy to understand what she means, and I've liked what she's been saying. Town read

 

I've been back and forth on Hally. Some stuff I like. Some stuff I don't. She's null for now, but slight town lean.

 

I haven't really noticed much from Lotad (Yes I'm calling you that too). I think he's mostly been going with the flow and agreeing with what's already being talked about. That's not a good look. Null here and watching him.

 

I haven't liked Pral's play at all. Leaving shortly after the vig claim. For like 2 days. Then only popping back in after JS explained what he was doing. And on top of that, his partial vig claim explanation reeks. I've given him some time to change my mind, but he hasn't. Scum read

 

I know I'm missing some people. i will have a full read list after I reread.

[Eldrick4221]

[unvote] (just in case)

[v]Pral[/v]

[Eldrick4221]

I only missed 3 people. I can do it now.

 

Strong Town:

Tina

 

Town:

Razen

Zander

Seph

Heart

Talya

 

Null to slight town:

Hally

 

Null:

Notbob

Lotad

JS

 

Null to slight scum:

Dice

Laine

 

Scum:

Pral

 

I didn't like JS's play, but I'm accepting his explanation. Null for now.

 

I've liked Razen's play. Towny posts and easy to understand where he's coming from. Town read

 

Zander on the whole has been towny. I didn't like that he was pushing his "I am town because I have high post count", but I do think he's town. Town read

 

I didn't like that Dice's vote on Zander, because Zander typed in caps. It's a crappy reason to vote someone, and to my knowledge it's still there. Null to slight scum.

 

Laine isn't the strong towny presence I am expecting from her. I don't like that. She is apparently in another game, but that's no excuse. Also Null to slight scum.

 

 

I've liked Seph's game so far. Lots of towny posts and moving the thread along. Town read.

 

I don't have any issues with Heart. I like this playstyle over her typical teal deer style, but that's just me. She's been easy to understand what she means, and I've liked what she's been saying. Town read

 

I've been back and forth on Hally. Some stuff I like. Some stuff I don't. She's null for now, but slight town lean.

 

I haven't really noticed much from Lotad (Yes I'm calling you that too). I think he's mostly been going with the flow and agreeing with what's already being talked about. That's not a good look. Null here and watching him.

 

I haven't liked Pral's play at all. Leaving shortly after the vig claim. For like 2 days. Then only popping back in after JS explained what he was doing. And on top of that, his partial vig claim explanation reeks. I've given him some time to change my mind, but he hasn't. Scum read

 

I have liked Tina's play. I don't think she's said anything I didn't disagree with. She hasn't had many posts, which is probably why I forgot her, but Strong town lean

 

Notbob is just one of those people I have trouble reading at the beginning, or at all for that matter, but he hasn't done anything that warrants a scum read, so Null

 

 

I had trouble reading Talya last game, but I am getting a town vibe from her this time. Town lean

[Eldrick4221]

Now then, to the reading!

 

If you have any questions, I'm here.

[seph]

Eldrick can you show me why you have Tina ad your strongest read?

Besides that and pral I agree with your list.

[Eldrick4221]

Actually, I'm gonna bump Razen up to strong town as well. Liked his posts. Nothing I disagreed with. Easy to follow.

[alannalynn]

I'm in a mafia-funk after my wonderful experience in the Belichick game... Give me some time to collect myself and read the thread; deadline isn't for a while yet, I'm sure. Sorry I'm not all here yet, working on that.

 

Okay, going to the start, will post thoughts and reads once I get back to here.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 7/10/2015 at 5:11 AM, seph said:

Eldrick can you show me why you have Tina ad your strongest read?

Besides that and pral I agree with your list.

 

No, because it's mainly gut. She's easy to follow and I agree with what she says.

[Talya]

I have to agree with you on Dice. His vote on Zander seemed a bit jokey but in another way not. He has lately been called town for the way he hones in on people and votes even if wrong. But there is a little thought there. This was the most stupid reason to vote for someone. So not seeing him the same.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 7/10/2015 at 5:14 AM, alannalynn said:

I'm in a mafia-funk after my wonderful experience in the Belichick game... Give me some time to collect myself and read the thread; deadline isn't for a while yet, I'm sure. Sorry I'm not all here yet, working on that.

 

Okay, going to the start, will post thoughts and reads once I get back to here.

Please do. I so want you to be town.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 7/10/2015 at 5:15 AM, Talya said:

I have to agree with you on Dice. His vote on Zander seemed a bit jokey but in another way not. He has lately been called town for the way he hones in on people and votes even if wrong. But there is a little thought there. This was the most stupid reason to vote for someone. So not seeing him the same.

I am right, aren't I? He just left it there and moved on.

[seph]

  On 7/10/2015 at 5:15 AM, Talya said:

I have to agree with you on Dice. His vote on Zander seemed a bit jokey but in another way not. He has lately been called town for the way he hones in on people and votes even if wrong. But there is a little thought there. This was the most stupid reason to vote for someone. So not seeing him the same.

I thought his vote was just a joke? Did he ever make any serious points against him?... now I gotta go re read tayla... gr

[Eldrick4221]

  On 7/10/2015 at 5:18 AM, seph said:

 

  On 7/10/2015 at 5:15 AM, Talya said:

I have to agree with you on Dice. His vote on Zander seemed a bit jokey but in another way not. He has lately been called town for the way he hones in on people and votes even if wrong. But there is a little thought there. This was the most stupid reason to vote for someone. So not seeing him the same.

I thought his vote was just a joke? Did he ever make any serious points against him?... now I gotta go re read tayla... gr

 

I did too, but he hasn't pressured or removed it. It's placeholding and that's gross.

[Eldrick4221]

And why don't you agree with my on Pral?

[seph]

  On 7/10/2015 at 5:28 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

And why don't you agree with my on Pral?

Since he came back he gave a very detailed reads list, which was pretty spot on imo. And provided the town with more info than half of the players, with that 1 post.

It may also help that I really have 0 confidence in John snow. He lied itt, blamed his bad play, on waiting to see how Pralaya would respond?

Im viewing john different than you, which is why i guess our reads are different, butI have him null trending up to slight town.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 7/10/2015 at 5:40 AM, seph said:

 

  On 7/10/2015 at 5:28 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

And why don't you agree with my on Pral?

Since he came back he gave a very detailed reads list, which was pretty spot on imo. And provided the town with more info than half of the players, with that 1 post.

It may also help that I really have 0 confidence in John snow. He lied itt, blamed his bad play, on waiting to see how Pralaya would respond?

Im viewing john different than you, which is why i guess our reads are different, butI have him null trending up to slight town.

 

I agree with your points on JS, but his explanation made sense. I haven't liked his play, but I'm not seeing it as a scummy play, just a bad one. I'm leaving him in null until he gives me a reason not to.

 

I'm gonna go reread Pral's read list, but I don't give as much stock into them as other people do. It's nice to see how they perceive other people, but I don't find them alignment indicative. Scum can read the thread and give opinions too.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 7/9/2015 at 8:50 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 10:46 AM, Razen said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 7:34 AM, John Snow said:

Well since you guys are unable to scumhunt if I'm not ITT, I'll just shoot all my work and planning to heck.

 

I was waiting from Pralaya. Definitely dodging thread at this point. Was on at 1 pm yesterday, and 10 pm again. Nothing to say in thread. 

 

So here goes. What I was doing this game. 

 

First off, I'm not a vig. I lied. I was kickstarting the game, and seeing who posted differently than normal (see also: my vote on Zander). I wanted to see who was just going to try to fluff their content to not get vigged. 

 

And that was all I was going to do. And then Pral claimed vig. And didn't vote me. Which I thought was weird as hell. 

 

 

But you know, I thought, heck let's see where this goes. And Pral's good with my claim. Which is really weird.

 

So I decided to spend the rest of the day trying to read Pral. My best plan was to see how Pral reacted to me playing poorly. I also wanted to see Pral's reaction to the mason thing. Also, I'm not a mason with Pral. FYI. Not even slightly. 

 

See, it's a solid play as a GF to fakeclaim vig. It's irrefutable. Other than the days you want to "vig" you have your team submit the kills. So I was guessing that Pral might be doing that. 

 

 

Instead Pral has dodged thread. Intentionally and consistently. (Protip: If you want to dodge thread, set your status to always show offline). Now while this isn't the most scummy thing Pral could do, it's the best play for a scum to do. Let the train on me ramp up, let town kill their vig, and get vetted by a townie death. And lose nothing. 

 

 

 

So that's my thought process. Any questions?

 

Also Pral obvscum imo. [unvote] [v]Pral[/v]

I'm confused.  First, you said you weren't the vig.  And then, you're saying that Pral's absence is allowing the train on you to ramp up and let us kill our vig.  You're contradicting yourself here.

 

For what it's worth, I do agree that if he is deliberately avoiding posting in the game thread after browsing when his claim has been questioned endlessly it's that he's trying to hide something.  And I do think it's insanely weird he was ok with your claim too.

 

 

need to come back to this when i get to work  

 

 

on page 24

 

Reminding you to come back to this. I want to hear what you want to say.

[alannalynn]

Reading this game is taking forever and a half. I can't wait to be caught up. Ugh.

[Niniel]

[unvote]

 

[v] LotD [/v]

 

 

His earlier vote on Snow was not very good and his list is really vague. Most is wait and see. I get that it´s hard to play with only new players but I´m not sure it can excuse his play. 

 

I´m not letting go on Zander though. I still have suspiciouns of him. Still don´t know how much is because of the fact that I don´t like his way of posting. 

 

Still want Pral to answer why he choose to claim that early. I sort of believe both Snow´s and Pral´s explanations but something still feels off. Why did Pral claim? And why just 8 minutes after Snow? Why did Snow vote Pral, knowing that he himself was not vig and that it was probable that Pral could be? Many questions around those two. 

 

 

Those I want to hear more from is Pral, Laine and Dice. 

[Niniel]

Also, I´m travelling home today so (again) not sure how active I can be today. Will try to check in when I can.

[alannalynn]

DM playing screwy with posts, it seems, so I'm going to try and make this all work. Definitely spoiler-ing my catch up posts, read them if you want, whatever. May skip some things because I already commented on them, we'll see where this get us. Also, forewarning, I've been reading this thread for the past LOT OF hours, so my ability to read constructively is badly affected by the third part, just fyi. I'll need to read over the last 5 pages or so come tomorrow when I have a clearer head and it's not 5am. (Tomorrow meaning after I actually wake up TODAY later.. )

 

FYI some formatting will look weird because I had to save my quotes to my notepad before bringing it back to crazy DM, so... yeah.

 

And so commencing... PART 1 (aka pages 1-10)

 

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LINK: This post of Zander's is pretty normal, imo. Heart wolf, Seph wolf, NB wolf. He knows he's probably wrong, but nice attempt to toss some names out, buddy. Heart and Seph both play it off as a joke, which looks good, because it is one

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 5:33 PM, Aiel Heart said:

Let's see, don't think I've ever played with LotD (I may just start calling you "Lotad") or Pralaya, and it's been ages since I played with John Snow last.
And I may vote Ley for not being here for a BT game >.>

 Lord of the Dawn nickname Lotad? I can roll with this, can we do this? People calling you Dawn sounds weird. Or Lotd is fine too, but things feel better with the "a" there.
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:13 PM, John Snow said:

Hardclaiming vig.
 
Shooting the lowest post count at the EoD. If you want to live, give me more than this 2 posts in 3 days that some people try to get away with.

 Snow's famous post claiming vig, which has since been rescinded and named a ploy to get the game going.

 

LINK: Strange that Seph is the first just to roll with Snow claiming vig instead of questioning it
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:21 PM, Pralaya said:

Good, dies in one game. Rises in another.
 
Hardclaiming vig too.

 

LINK: Null on Hally's response to the two claims in this post, comes off as a joke, I think someone (JS?) fos'd her for this later

LINK: Odd post on Hally's part is WHY would vig provide cover for each other? Hell, why would vigs claim in the first place?

 

Established by Snow that they're not cc'ing each other, which is strange because at this point we know Snow was lying and Pral's is limited shot? Overall, Pral's going along with this isn't really a bother at this point with what we know.
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:52 PM, John Snow said:

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:47 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:13 PM, John Snow said:

Hardclaiming vig.
Shooting the lowest post count at the EoD. If you want to live, give me more than this 2 posts in 3 days that some people try to get away with.

you know nothing Jon Snow...lololololol sorry im doing this every game we play in.

 
 And you've got nothing actually related to say? There's plenty to give an opinion on.

 Zander meta isn't serious until he's got a target and wants them lynched, fyi.
 

Strange that the talk devolves into spam talk though, but who am I to judge?

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:58 PM, Hallia said:

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:51 PM, Hallia said:

Ohhh, town Tal in the house!

John, are you mafia?

You can't ignore me, sir

 Light LD hint here, but also becoming pretty normal on DM to ask alignments ITT, I would consider this question null, but Hall's follow up in in her favor.
 

Talya looking good here, Masons suggestion isn't stretching in this case based on their actions so far, but also it would be stupid of them to do as mafia as some seem to think.

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 7:11 PM, alannalynn said:

Zander I highly doubt two wolves would claim vigs like that; more likely one of them would get lynched to check it I can see one being a true vig and another a 1shot potentially but idk, that they're not cc'ing makes this curious but I wanna see more

 Alanna knows what's up ITT

 

LINK: Zander jumping the gun a bit here lol

 

FFS my grammar in this post was awful and I'm saddened by these events. I'm sorry for anyone who had to be here for it, and I'm offering counseling services to any and all who are affected.
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 8:01 PM, seph said:

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 7:58 PM, alannalynn said:

Haha I can't believe you rolled Phoenix twice. ^.^ I'm a terrible doctor except that one time I saved Darthe

 

Zander and Notbob not allowed to have vig shots anymore.

NO HERO SHOTS allowed, imo
 
I can't see why they'd be masons claiming vigs in the thread like that, seems a good way to make themselves a target? That's why I sad they have and xshot and limited use, would make it different roles enough that they wouldn't question each others' claims

I have a couple different thoughts, but the two I posted seem most likely Laine we can lynch one and see, or let it play out a bit. I haven't seen anything to point towards wolf's, I guess the only thing bothering me is how smug pray was with his posts towards the subject.
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 7:12 PM, Pralaya said:

Alright, you people figure it out. I am going to sleep.

Good night everyone :)

This post looks like he is implying that he already knows.

 I don't like this post of Seph's. Particularly that he doesn't think either are wolves, yet he's willing to lynch one of them to test the claim. Doesn't seem pro town to me. Looking back now, though this makes sense of Pral. He was trying to read Snow just as much as Snow's been waiting for Pral to check back in. -1 for Seph, +1 for Pral
 

Interaction between Snow and Zander on pg 7 "Meh" Zander thinks reaction votes are gross. (He's starting to sound like Hallia) Zander's wariness of scum doing weird things to survive in games in well founded, BUT on d1 with no pressure and no reason to, the action of claiming is pretty townie. Scum would just as likely let the game devolve into spam posts than try to kick start it into some conversation to get reads on other players. At the same time, I'm not current with Snow's meta and I've only seen Pral in the Belichick game (ongoing), so I have no idea about these players and what they'd do to gain town cred.

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 10:12 PM, seph said:

John, because it isn't a smart play is a reason scum do things sometimes. The, they can't be scum because scum wouldn't do that argument. (See masons from starwars) As for you and pral, I do believe you two know each others alignment, or there is some good cover going on that only you two understand. But I am not willing to lynch you day one to find out. Barring some massive slip.
Snow... you left us first man

 Seph, you're NOT willing to lynch one of them?

 

LINK: Like this assessment that Zander's vote was a joke. I don't see him being totally serious about them being masons, but as I stated above, he's probably wary. It's not like they ever claimed masons though, though at this point they hadn't debunked it either.

LINK: Agree with Seph's reads here so far... Hally/Talya possibly town.

 

Page 8: Razen looks good questioning Snow and Eldrick; @Eldrick, why would you think that Pral's claim was a joke? That seems a least likely conclusion to get from the interactions so far. Why does it look worse for JS than for Pral? (answered pg23) I don't like Eldrick pushing that they're both wolves atp

 

Razen probably town.

 

 

  On 7/8/2015 at 1:40 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 7/8/2015 at 1:37 AM, John Snow said:

So you're saying if you were to CC somebody, you wouldn't vote them?

It's pretty clear to me that it's not a CC, mainly for that reason.
That doesn't make you guys both legit by any means.

Actually agree here on Eldrick's post.

 

LINK: @Razen, what did you think here? You said they're not counterclaiming yet you wouldn't even ponder the situation I brought up where they're both xshots and so both claimed vigs and therefore weren't counterclaiming each other. Idk, your statement here just feels off for some reason?

 

Page 10 feels like they're all going on the notion that the two are masons (NB, Zander, Seph). It just doesn't feel right.

 

So far, town leans: Hally, Talya, Razen, Zander, possibly JS

Mixed: Seph

Scum leans: Eldrick,

 

 

[alannalynn]

FFS CLOUDFLARE I'M NEVER GONNA GET TO POST A DAMN THING UGHHHH :flamingsword: :flamingsword:

 

DM playing screwy with posts, it seems, so I'm going to try and make this all work. Definitely spoiler-ing my catch up posts, read them if you want, whatever. May skip some things because I already commented on them, we'll see where this get us. Also, forewarning, I've been reading this thread for the past LOT OF hours, so my ability to read constructively is badly affected by the third part, just fyi. I'll need to read over the last 5 pages or so come tomorrow when I have a clearer head and it's not 5am. (Tomorrow meaning after I actually wake up TODAY later.. )

 

FYI some formatting will look weird because I had to save my quotes to my notepad before bringing it back to crazy DM, so... yeah.

 

And so commencing... PART 1 (aka pages 1-10)

 

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LINK: This post of Zander's is pretty normal, imo. Heart wolf, Seph wolf, NB wolf. He knows he's probably wrong, but nice attempt to toss some names out, buddy. Heart and Seph both play it off as a joke, which looks good, because it is one

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 5:33 PM, Aiel Heart said:

Let's see, don't think I've ever played with LotD (I may just start calling you "Lotad") or Pralaya, and it's been ages since I played with John Snow last.
And I may vote Ley for not being here for a BT game >.>

 Lord of the Dawn nickname Lotad? I can roll with this, can we do this? People calling you Dawn sounds weird. Or Lotd is fine too, but things feel better with the "a" there.
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:13 PM, John Snow said:

Hardclaiming vig.
 
Shooting the lowest post count at the EoD. If you want to live, give me more than this 2 posts in 3 days that some people try to get away with.

 Snow's famous post claiming vig, which has since been rescinded and named a ploy to get the game going.

 

LINK: Strange that Seph is the first just to roll with Snow claiming vig instead of questioning it
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:21 PM, Pralaya said:

Good, dies in one game. Rises in another.
 
Hardclaiming vig too.

 

LINK: Null on Hally's response to the two claims in this post, comes off as a joke, I think someone (JS?) fos'd her for this later

LINK: Odd post on Hally's part is WHY would vig provide cover for each other? Hell, why would vigs claim in the first place?

 

Established by Snow that they're not cc'ing each other, which is strange because at this point we know Snow was lying and Pral's is limited shot? Overall, Pral's going along with this isn't really a bother at this point with what we know.
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:52 PM, John Snow said:

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:47 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:13 PM, John Snow said:

Hardclaiming vig.
Shooting the lowest post count at the EoD. If you want to live, give me more than this 2 posts in 3 days that some people try to get away with.

you know nothing Jon Snow...lololololol sorry im doing this every game we play in.

 
 And you've got nothing actually related to say? There's plenty to give an opinion on.

 Zander meta isn't serious until he's got a target and wants them lynched, fyi.
 

Strange that the talk devolves into spam talk though, but who am I to judge?

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:58 PM, Hallia said:

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:51 PM, Hallia said:

Ohhh, town Tal in the house!

John, are you mafia?

You can't ignore me, sir

 Light LD hint here, but also becoming pretty normal on DM to ask alignments ITT, I would consider this question null, but Hall's follow up in in her favor.
 

Talya looking good here, Masons suggestion isn't stretching in this case based on their actions so far, but also it would be stupid of them to do as mafia as some seem to think.

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 7:11 PM, alannalynn said:

Zander I highly doubt two wolves would claim vigs like that; more likely one of them would get lynched to check it I can see one being a true vig and another a 1shot potentially but idk, that they're not cc'ing makes this curious but I wanna see more

 Alanna knows what's up ITT

 

LINK: Zander jumping the gun a bit here lol

 

FFS my grammar in this post was awful and I'm saddened by these events. I'm sorry for anyone who had to be here for it, and I'm offering counseling services to any and all who are affected.
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 8:01 PM, seph said:

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 7:58 PM, alannalynn said:

Haha I can't believe you rolled Phoenix twice. ^.^ I'm a terrible doctor except that one time I saved Darthe

 

Zander and Notbob not allowed to have vig shots anymore.

NO HERO SHOTS allowed, imo
 
I can't see why they'd be masons claiming vigs in the thread like that, seems a good way to make themselves a target? That's why I sad they have and xshot and limited use, would make it different roles enough that they wouldn't question each others' claims

I have a couple different thoughts, but the two I posted seem most likely Laine we can lynch one and see, or let it play out a bit. I haven't seen anything to point towards wolf's, I guess the only thing bothering me is how smug pray was with his posts towards the subject.
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 7:12 PM, Pralaya said:

Alright, you people figure it out. I am going to sleep.

Good night everyone :)

This post looks like he is implying that he already knows.

 I don't like this post of Seph's. Particularly that he doesn't think either are wolves, yet he's willing to lynch one of them to test the claim. Doesn't seem pro town to me. Looking back now, though this makes sense of Pral. He was trying to read Snow just as much as Snow's been waiting for Pral to check back in. -1 for Seph, +1 for Pral
 

Interaction between Snow and Zander on pg 7 "Meh" Zander thinks reaction votes are gross. (He's starting to sound like Hallia) Zander's wariness of scum doing weird things to survive in games in well founded, BUT on d1 with no pressure and no reason to, the action of claiming is pretty townie. Scum would just as likely let the game devolve into spam posts than try to kick start it into some conversation to get reads on other players. At the same time, I'm not current with Snow's meta and I've only seen Pral in the Belichick game (ongoing), so I have no idea about these players and what they'd do to gain town cred.

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 10:12 PM, seph said:

John, because it isn't a smart play is a reason scum do things sometimes. The, they can't be scum because scum wouldn't do that argument. (See masons from starwars) As for you and pral, I do believe you two know each others alignment, or there is some good cover going on that only you two understand. But I am not willing to lynch you day one to find out. Barring some massive slip.
Snow... you left us first man

 Seph, you're NOT willing to lynch one of them?

 

LINK: Like this assessment that Zander's vote was a joke. I don't see him being totally serious about them being masons, but as I stated above, he's probably wary. It's not like they ever claimed masons though, though at this point they hadn't debunked it either.

LINK: Agree with Seph's reads here so far... Hally/Talya possibly town.

 

Page 8: Razen looks good questioning Snow and Eldrick; @Eldrick, why would you think that Pral's claim was a joke? That seems a least likely conclusion to get from the interactions so far. Why does it look worse for JS than for Pral? (answered pg23) I don't like Eldrick pushing that they're both wolves atp

 

Razen probably town.

 

 

  On 7/8/2015 at 1:40 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 7/8/2015 at 1:37 AM, John Snow said:

So you're saying if you were to CC somebody, you wouldn't vote them?

It's pretty clear to me that it's not a CC, mainly for that reason.
That doesn't make you guys both legit by any means.

Actually agree here on Eldrick's post.

 

LINK: @Razen, what did you think here? You said they're not counterclaiming yet you wouldn't even ponder the situation I brought up where they're both xshots and so both claimed vigs and therefore weren't counterclaiming each other. Idk, your statement here just feels off for some reason?

 

Page 10 feels like they're all going on the notion that the two are masons (NB, Zander, Seph). It just doesn't feel right.

 

So far, town leans: Hally, Talya, Razen, Zander, possibly JS

Mixed: Seph

Scum leans: Eldrick,

 

 

[alannalynn]

FFS CLOUDFLARE I'M NEVER GONNA GET TO POST A DAMN THING UGHHHH :flamingsword: :flamingsword:

DM playing screwy with posts, it seems, so I'm going to try and make this all work. Definitely spoiler-ing my catch up posts, read them if you want, whatever. May skip some things because I already commented on them, we'll see where this get us. Also, forewarning, I've been reading this thread for the past LOT OF hours, so my ability to read constructively is badly affected by the third part, just fyi. I'll need to read over the last 5 pages or so come tomorrow when I have a clearer head and it's not 5am. (Tomorrow meaning after I actually wake up TODAY later.. )

FYI some formatting will look weird because I had to save my quotes to my notepad before bringing it back to crazy DM, so... yeah.

And so commencing... PART 1 (aka pages 1-10)

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LINK: This post of Zander's is pretty normal, imo. Heart wolf, Seph wolf, NB wolf. He knows he's probably wrong, but nice attempt to toss some names out, buddy. Heart and Seph both play it off as a joke, which looks good, because it is one
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 5:33 PM, Aiel Heart said:

Let's see, don't think I've ever played with LotD (I may just start calling you "Lotad") or Pralaya, and it's been ages since I played with John Snow last.
And I may vote Ley for not being here for a BT game >.>

Lord of the Dawn nickname Lotad? I can roll with this, can we do this? People calling you Dawn sounds weird. Or Lotd is fine too, but things feel better with the "a" there.
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:13 PM, John Snow said:

Hardclaiming vig.

Shooting the lowest post count at the EoD. If you want to live, give me more than this 2 posts in 3 days that some people try to get away with.

Snow's famous post claiming vig, which has since been rescinded and named a ploy to get the game going.

LINK: Strange that Seph is the first just to roll with Snow claiming vig instead of questioning it
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:21 PM, Pralaya said:

Good, dies in one game. Rises in another.

Hardclaiming vig too.

LINK: Null on Hally's response to the two claims in this post, comes off as a joke, I think someone (JS?) fos'd her for this later
LINK: Odd post on Hally's part is WHY would vig provide cover for each other? Hell, why would vigs claim in the first place?

Established by Snow that they're not cc'ing each other, which is strange because at this point we know Snow was lying and Pral's is limited shot? Overall, Pral's going along with this isn't really a bother at this point with what we know.

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:52 PM, John Snow said:

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:47 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:13 PM, John Snow said:

Hardclaiming vig.
Shooting the lowest post count at the EoD. If you want to live, give me more than this 2 posts in 3 days that some people try to get away with.

you know nothing Jon Snow...lololololol sorry im doing this every game we play in.

 

And you've got nothing actually related to say? There's plenty to give an opinion on.

 

Zander meta isn't serious until he's got a target and wants them lynched, fyi.

Strange that the talk devolves into spam talk though, but who am I to judge?
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:58 PM, Hallia said:

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 6:51 PM, Hallia said:

Ohhh, town Tal in the house!

John, are you mafia?

You can't ignore me, sir

 

Light LD hint here, but also becoming pretty normal on DM to ask alignments ITT, I would consider this question null, but Hall's follow up in in her favor.

Talya looking good here, Masons suggestion isn't stretching in this case based on their actions so far, but also it would be stupid of them to do as mafia as some seem to think.
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 7:11 PM, alannalynn said:

Zander I highly doubt two wolves would claim vigs like that; more likely one of them would get lynched to check it I can see one being a true vig and another a 1shot potentially but idk, that they're not cc'ing makes this curious but I wanna see more

Alanna knows what's up ITT

LINK: Zander jumping the gun a bit here lol

FFS my grammar in this post was awful and I'm saddened by these events. I'm sorry for anyone who had to be here for it, and I'm offering counseling services to any and all who are affected.
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 8:01 PM, seph said:

 

  On 7/7/2015 at 7:58 PM, alannalynn said:

Haha I can't believe you rolled Phoenix twice. ^.^ I'm a terrible doctor except that one time I saved Darthe

Zander and Notbob not allowed to have vig shots anymore.

NO HERO SHOTS allowed, imo

I can't see why they'd be masons claiming vigs in the thread like that, seems a good way to make themselves a target? That's why I sad they have and xshot and limited use, would make it different roles enough that they wouldn't question each others' claims

I have a couple different thoughts, but the two I posted seem most likely Laine we can lynch one and see, or let it play out a bit. I haven't seen anything to point towards wolf's, I guess the only thing bothering me is how smug pray was with his posts towards the subject.

  On 7/7/2015 at 7:12 PM, Pralaya said:

Alright, you people figure it out. I am going to sleep.

Good night everyone :)

This post looks like he is implying that he already knows.

 

I don't like this post of Seph's. Particularly that he doesn't think either are wolves, yet he's willing to lynch one of them to test the claim. Doesn't seem pro town to me. Looking back now, though this makes sense of Pral. He was trying to read Snow just as much as Snow's been waiting for Pral to check back in. -1 for Seph, +1 for Pral

Interaction between Snow and Zander on pg 7 "Meh" Zander thinks reaction votes are gross. (He's starting to sound like Hallia) Zander's wariness of scum doing weird things to survive in games in well founded, BUT on d1 with no pressure and no reason to, the action of claiming is pretty townie. Scum would just as likely let the game devolve into spam posts than try to kick start it into some conversation to get reads on other players. At the same time, I'm not current with Snow's meta and I've only seen Pral in the Belichick game (ongoing), so I have no idea about these players and what they'd do to gain town cred.
 

  On 7/7/2015 at 10:12 PM, seph said:

John, because it isn't a smart play is a reason scum do things sometimes. The, they can't be scum because scum wouldn't do that argument. (See masons from starwars) As for you and pral, I do believe you two know each others alignment, or there is some good cover going on that only you two understand. But I am not willing to lynch you day one to find out. Barring some massive slip.
Snow... you left us first man

Seph, you're NOT willing to lynch one of them?

LINK: Like this assessment that Zander's vote was a joke. I don't see him being totally serious about them being masons, but as I stated above, he's probably wary. It's not like they ever claimed masons though, though at this point they hadn't debunked it either.

LINK: Agree with Seph's reads here so far... Hally/Talya possibly town.

Page 8: Razen looks good questioning Snow and Eldrick; @Eldrick, why would you think that Pral's claim was a joke? That seems a least likely conclusion to get from the interactions so far. Why does it look worse for JS than for Pral? (answered pg23) I don't like Eldrick pushing that they're both wolves atp

Razen probably town.

 

  On 7/8/2015 at 1:40 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 7/8/2015 at 1:37 AM, John Snow said:

So you're saying if you were to CC somebody, you wouldn't vote them?

It's pretty clear to me that it's not a CC, mainly for that reason.
That doesn't make you guys both legit by any means.

 

Actually agree here on Eldrick's post.

LINK: @Razen, what did you think here? You said they're not counterclaiming yet you wouldn't even ponder the situation I brought up where they're both xshots and so both claimed vigs and therefore weren't counterclaiming each other. Idk, your statement here just feels off for some reason?

Page 10 feels like they're all going on the notion that the two are masons (NB, Zander, Seph). It just doesn't feel right.

So far, town leans: Hally, Talya, Razen, Zander, possibly JS
Mixed: Seph
Scum leans: Eldrick,

 

[alannalynn]

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[alannalynn]

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