Except me? See, this is why I feel ignored, lol.

Me too. Then ask Nyra to help with the next one and cast every spell in the book. Except for the first one, not really sure a stone wall is going to help a lot here.

Start with 3 and leave the others for the more intense waves? Not really sure on this one.

*derailed sorry.

Because a distraction needs to distract from something. If you aren't distracting from something, how can it be a distraction? There wasn't anything going on. There were no discussions being detailed. No reads list being buried. Why would Wolf!Sinister be any more likely than Town!Sinister to do these things? I don't see any motivation and without intent I cannot see it as AI.

VOTE PEACE I'm not liking the fixation on early D1. Sure we don't have a lot to go on, but sussing people for distraction seems odd. Sinister days it was an icebreaker, that makes way more sense than anything else. Teph was joking, I cannot see either building a case of any kind on this. I don't see either behaviour as pro-wolf or anti-town. Sure it is a little unorthodox, but I prefer to look for intent rather than trying to identify people as low hanging fruit. I don't think this is a smoking gun, hut people asked for votes and trains, and the reasoning Peace has used feels flimsy enough to be an attempt at a miselimination. Sure there is still a lot to come before EoD, so I'm not saying my vote won't be moving. Not sure I enjoy agreeing with DPR, lol. Only joking 🙂

Ashes

Ask Nyra again? Or just start the first trial. We might be here for a while yet otherwise.

Morning Ithi. I'm having trouble forming reads in this game. Bizarrely enough I'm feeling good about most people rather than suspicious. Like Dice I'm a bit sketchy on the Sinister/Teph bussing. That doesn't seem to make any sense as a play, and I seems to me they were interacting as they were the two most active people at the time. Plus photoshopping wolves in someone's garden must the most terrible way of throwing shade I can think of. @Tigraine no need to apologise for thinking I was mafia. Honestly, it's a common misconception, lol.

Well I'm off to bed. Though nice to see another player weigh in on the new player issue. So can we now draw a line under it and just treat each player like they are a player?

You'd think we should start at 1 with the trial of beginning but I suppose we should ask Nyra?

Let's get to hunting wolves then. And that will go easier if everyone is suspected and everyone's intuition and reasoning is listened to. This is a long day. Things will get heated and to point as DL approaches. We need to sound each other out so it would be great if everyone could contribute.

Yeah I am not going to answer that.

BS. The premise is new players are stupid and cannot find their own rear ends with both hands. An unknown quantity does not mean illogical or poor play. And wolves can only easily jump on new players if you normalise jumping on new players as town behaviour. Wolves taking advantage of you is part of the game. Having everyone treat you like a second class player because you are new should not be, yet currently is. I will absolutely die on this hill. This should not be any part of the game, it is insane that you are arguing that new players should be treated differently.

I am most definitely sure.

Guys if you are really saying that only established players deserve respect I think you need to rethink your biases against new players. I cannot believe this is even an issue. I'm not ever going to let someone call new players a danger to themselves and those around them without saying something so maybe just stop making or supporting that analogy, however it was meant?

So instead of them being treated with respect and them exiting on D1 due to their own play (obviously not the people voting for them) it is better to insult them and treat them like children that are in danger of disrupting your game? Hard disagree.

Ok thanks for clearing that up. I still don't think the mental image of someone cutting their own body parts off a accurately sums up an unknown quantity, but thanks for the clarification.

You forgot inconsistent tone. That is always a favourite regarding me. But your reasoning is my logic gives you bad vibes? OK. Can't say I find that particularly convincing but I suppose I'm biased. I don't get this "let's steer the conversation to eliminations" is the same as giving reads argument. Words literally mean things. If you mean reads, say reads. If you mean wtl, use that. Why use different concepts interchangeably?

Yes but a new player has intelligence, intuition, and problem solving all at their disposal. Categorizing them as a danger to themselves and to others, is pretty far from the mark and fairly insulting. Plus in this context I only know Teph hasn't played here, I have no idea about any experience elsewhere. Though asking would probably clear that up, but I personally don't think that experience is quite what some seem to think it is in this game.

Which emotional attachments? Honestly don't get what you mean. But anyway I don't like how much noise we are making. I think words are important. They have meaning. Asking someone for their top mafia read is completely different for asking how they are willing to eliminate. Not in content but in tone. Tone is important. It would be good to hear from other people about their thought processes.

That is a spectacularly inappropriate metaphor for mafia in my opinion, Sinister.

Meditate?

Lol, I see your unnecessarily argumentative comment wasn't perceptive but just projection. Or are you really arguing that wtl lists should be spurious and whimsical? Honest question. @DPR do you really not see the difference between a reads list and a wtl list? Especially in the context of this early in the game?

Sorry that was directwd at DPR, over estimated my ability to get in before anyone else 🙂