Something else: such as what if Ed is mafia with a bpv? The real Vig will waste their shot and to everyone else it will look like Ed must be the real deal. Don't know how likely this is, but I'm not sure how speculating or what might happen is going to help.

I don't think so. We are firmly WIFOM territory with claims. Maybe the mafia have a NA reflector or something so Ed is baiting the real Vig's shot which will kill them. Maybe something else, though another bus driver seems unlikely, and a dead Vig turning up would be suspicious for Ed. I don't know. It is an unCC'd claim. It seems likely there is a Vig of some kind out there. I don't understand the concept of a town core. You guys are more trusting than me. This is definitely a important night and it seems a lot of things will be closer to conclusion one way or the other at the end of it.

So DPR has turned into Turin? What is the point of this speculation? We don't even know the claims are true, so building anything on that shaky foundation will be tricky. We also cannot forget the Jailbreak autocorrect that Darthe knew was a jailkeep without clarification and nor did he ask. Yeah, I don't think this game is straightforward at all.

That is definitely what the scene says. But whether we should take that as gospel or just flavour I dont know. Ithi's Among Us involving named characters was totally flavour and Ithi declared it, Darthe's action heros was exactly following the NAs and gameplay and said PAFO to see if it was accurate. I suppose we could ask @keyholder21keyholder21 but maybe it shouldn't really be part of the game.

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I get what you are saying but I'm scratching my head a little bit over the wolves voting 2/3 for other wolves. SD can hardly be called a deep wolf, and if his PR is so deadly why was Darthe parked on him as the opening vote the whole game? (I know D1 Darthe was only the leading vote because other people unvoted, but still). I don't want to get into the hole of pretending the wolves will act like I think they will, but your theory seems to be rather contradictory in several places. SD won't vote for Darthe (making him stand out) but Dice will (making him stand out). The wolves want to protect SD at all costs, but Darthe votes for him the whole game and SD didn't protect himself by voting for Darthe (and gaining town cred for doing so willingly). Do you honestly not see these contradictions? Other people's perspective would be welcome. Any time you want to join in, lol. Still asleep at 6am, shocking slanking people.

@Turin Turambar I'm kind of worried about the complicated theorising from you that seems to have switched from DPR and SD being the super obvious wolves (please shoot me now) to Dice and SD being the super obvious wolves (please shoot me now). Shouldn't there be some sort of progression between the two stances? The tone feels so similar. And I still don't see any explanation of how you and Darthe were both so keen on Sinister. Barely anyone has actually voted for Sinister except you two (an exaggeration I know) I mean without Darthe parked there would Sinister ever have been a serious contender? Trying to understand your position here.

Or should we just get on with it? Lol

Why I'm town? That seems a difficult question to approach. Well, why would I sus Darthe, have a little back and forth with him where he certainly seemed rattled to me, and leave my vote on him all day. A miselimination would have nearly guaranteed a mafia win, so bussing someone that wasn't being sussed hugely seems a strange play. I could have latched onto SD, or joined in the Turin/DPR fun, or slanked, or parked on you or Tigs for a possible CFD. Im not saying that I'm lock clear, or anything close, but I find it difficult to see my behaviour and reasoning to be anything except consistent with being town.

So Turin, you are feeling good about DPR now? What do you think about you and Darthe forming pretty much a voting block the entire game so far? I'm not saying you are wrong but there are a lot of unanswered questions floating about. Sinister is mafia as he wouldn't vote Darthe but Dice is because he did? Could be some nefarious wolf plan but it is no way as simple as you are putting forward. There is something in your tone I don't like, and it was your interactions with Darthe in the first place that made me sus. If it was the wolf plan to CFD Tigs, why not have a placeholder vote on her early doors? That then would be a excuse to change. Parking Darthe on SD the whole game when the slankers could hammer at any point seems a bit risky. I don't think there is anything straightforward about this and we need to get through the NAs which could make or break us before we need to worry about voting so just cool it down, bro. If you're town enjoy this minor victory, and wait see what the morning brings.

Yes I did though I had to Google the initialism to understand what you wee asking, lol.

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Which oddity. It would be helpful if you actually shared your insight rather than this type of quoting and pointing. You think I have forgotten about the whole Condemner issue? I had a sinking feeling that again the wolves seemed a bit too content, no one starting other trains etc (Dice was suggesting but not sure that counts). In my limited experience an EoD without a lot of vote changes often limps along to a town elimination. The second quote was me being relieved and trying to stay classy by not overly celebrating or gloating or getting away from the fact we are still a long, long way from the finish line. But it was a good feeling to read Darthe's name in red, ngl.

@dicetosser1 can you explain why you were backing up Darthe when he was arguing that his tone was just fine and no way an overreaction? Be nice to tienoff any loose ends.

Yeah you probably want to stop doing that.

I dunno. SD is looking a lot better as Darthe was leading his train for two days. Who isn't looking better is Turin who has been lock step with Darthe for two days. Hardly a smoking gun but it is not a good look. There is the point that Darthe seemed to be trying to create a town core with DPR and Turin. But was he duping you both or was one of you on the inside already? Does explain how he knew it was T/T if indeed it was, lol. And that means DPR's claim is real. Really? Well.

Unless the bus driver was bussed... But we'll, not everyone can be mafia lol.

Ooo. That aged well. 17 minutes ago, lol.

What? But without Dice SD would have died not Darthe. So SD if mafia was trying to save Darthe, not bus him.

Well, shoot.

Again don't see any last minute wolf activity...

Darthe was here, DPR too, Ed dropped by briefly...

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But dude how do all those quotes and all the effort help anything? You were the D1 train that survived. Your still a person of interest for many people. Of course people are mentioning you, not least as there are only 8 players left. How does this show that the attention is just because and not due to grounded reasoning? It is taking up space in the thread, but not actually doing anything. Who are you suspicious of, in terms of wtl?

It's tough. Sinister has been active, but in many ways hasn't engaged the game much. For one he has been dealing with a lot of people sussing him, so he has been repeating things, re-explaining things, etc. But for me he hasn't been engaging a lot in what people say, or taking sides or giving input to other people' s discussions. It feels town to me, seems strange mafia behaviour, but it could be obsfucating gameplay. Likr. Sinister had written a fair amount about me in his lists, but contentwise has said he thought I was acting like me at first, but it is a really tenuous town read and has been becoming more mafia as time goes on. I don't remember any discusión of what I've said or argued, I think there were a few claims I wasn't involved itt, but what ever another player's opinion of me was Sinister wouldn't ping them. As he had been so noncommital. And all the stuff about dice and tarot cards. But is it enough to waste our one shot on? Especially when to me he sounds pretty sincere... Except for Darthe's weird reaction and terrible case on me, I have nothing solid to go on at all. Which isn't helped by the only people discussing the game are Turin, DPR and Darthe to a great deal and who trusts any of them? Really had hoped more people would have come in and caught up by now. So much for any plan about roles, though that still seems to me to just filling in the blanks in the wolves' knowledge.