Well I'll be. Is Mafia, but not terrifying PR.

Someone is about to do something, aren't you?

I'm just saying we could manage to block the NK and shoot a wolf. Or two townies could end up dead that tell us nothing. Maybe even more weird things. If DPR has a role blocker and knows to to block that would be huge. If he misses and blocks a town PR, it could be all over. We have no idea what roles are out there. But the game is finely balanced. Might not be in half an hour. But no pressure guys. Just play for fun.

House

To those with the super duper PRs. It all comes down to them I think. One side shoots blanks (or Teph again, Rip) that could be the end of it.

Lol, where did this second page of posts come from, FML, hehe

*gasp* ... What?

So how many of us are going to die in 40 mins? Seems a brutal reality. I think the game is going to turn on these night actions. So, no pressure.

His answer to which, you are arguing, was to run up a teammate then have the other teammate, who was also on voting on that second teammate, kill him in a burst evil genius creativeness. You realise that is what you are arguing, yes?

With Darthe as mafia? And potentially you and Turin as teammates? Or maybe Sinister is rolling his dice to decide every action just to mess with us. All mafia are diabolical. And they have been inspired to match or out-do Ithi. Sinister's and Dice's defences don't quite seem up to that level, but maybe that is angle. Maybe we are meant to be looking for a smart angle and that is why thye have been voting themselves all game *shrugs* PAFO

We were kind of hoping that you would answer that. But TWTBAW is just WIFOM. It doesn't incriminate you doesn't absolve you. It makes both plausible.

In all honesty, zero. Mafia were totally in the driving seat. We were flailing about madly without a clue. Unless there are some really weird PRs out there I cannot see any reason the wolves would so eagerly run themselves up. But I'm keeping an open mind to nefarious plans. If it is even close to be true they are up to something dastardly.

Last game!DPR: there is no way mafia did not use their strongman to kill Dice. This game!DPR: I've totally not learnt anything. Ed has claimed. We don't know anything else. Plus he makes two posts a week, let's not get carried away.

Toffee?

Still got my eye on you though, lol. Everyone but Tigs is so suspicious, and how suspicious is that? FML, lol.

The trouble is SD had more wrong than it was a hammer game. He also thought it was 4 votes to hammer instead of 5. So even though Darthe was on his wtl list, he felt Turin was pushing him to vote and then Turin would hammer (though that actually needed another vote). That was why he voted for Turin so no majority could be met. It is so not a convincing excuse it is kind of convincing.

@Tigraine you were taking about your "proud" comment, but I don't remember any questions. It is just in the last game Ithi sort of outed herself by saying she was proud or something of me not lying down and dying - which kind of meant she had to know I was town or think it, though in fact she was pushing for my elimination at the time. Your comment was similar, except you could have just read me as town and nor would your compliment be completely out of place even if I was mafia.

Gah. I want to say all the wolves are simply on SD, but then why change? Why bus a teammate? It is seems so pointless.

I saw you had "explained" this reaction but can you re-explain cause my simple brain doesn't get this reaction to lynching mafia...did you maybe mean to post that in your scum chat? Honestly, this just really stuck out to me. I haven't thought you scum the whole game but not wanting to over celebrate does not explain being disappointed. First, I'm not an American, I have never once said the above exclamation and maybe my use of it was slightly off key. To take you through my thought process, I wasn't confident of being right, I just didn't see many better options and Darthe's reaction didn't make sense. Then there was a deliberate last second switch and so I pessimistically was building myself up for the disappointment of being wrong, again, of Town losing but at least the game would be over and... [name in RED] well, shoot. It was a kind of mixture of surprise, anticlimax, relief and disappointment the game was going to torture me more. And yes there was a bit of me that wanted to shout YES! But I wanted to keep it classy. There was a lot of emotions chasing themselves about in my head at that point.

As I remember it you were ready voting him, and then Darthe popped up and low key defended Turin while actually talking about something else - or something like that and I felt this is all I have really so made the vote. Pretty sure I was second in the train. Then Darthe gave me his full attention, and criticisms. He may have started with coached bit earlier but I don't think so.

Turin has been definitely solving. Though I cannot shake the feeling that he has started with people he wants to eliminate and the rationalised arguments. There is a certain amount of ad hoc tone to it. Yet he also feels earnest, maybe the mind tricks of genuinely hunting PRs or something. I'm deeply suspicious, but I'm not sure he is any more suspicious than the other options. Though it was my unease at how Turin and Darthe were interacting that caused my vote on Darthe. That might be a piece of luck or just a coincidence.

Has this game been at any other point? , lol.

Yes, I definitely noticed it. I suppose you can add that Dice did exactly the same with GK at D1. But it seemed a rather tame attempt. Would the mafia not act more like a team? Why would not one of them be parked there already and prepare the thread a bit? It felt like one person trying. But yes it is definitely to keep in mind. But it seems strange to me that we have been flailing about this game and yet you are arguing that only mafia were under suspicion. That seems like mafia are very confident of whatever plan they are carrying out. Darthe voted me and DPR then went back to SD. That seems to me to be going back to an easier miselimination, or he is taking big risks to get us to carry out some sort of NA on SD. That doesn't seem to make sense to me, but we dknt knwo the roles so... Dice and Darthe could have been on someone else. Concentrating on a teammate and then allowing us to counter train on another of only three wolves seems like a very big brain plan. Not sure I want to place too much faith into them doing that while also trying to win the game. But the NAs should give some clarity on their plans.

I'm working on the assumption at this point that SD is playing sincerely. This is not a strongly held conviction. But the point I'm making is that as it is Turin's theories are not internally consistent. An induction to a solution can make them more believable. Positing Ed/Turin/SD is telling the truth or not, discuss, does not seem to be helpful without examining their behaviour. WIFOMing about SD being mafia or town to explain his vote doesn't seem to be useful.

By constructing theories and testing them. Like Turin is saying the wolves were trying to protect SD, which I'd why Dice moved his vote. But why then was Darthe voting SD, and why was SD not protecting himself by voting Darthe? If you can speculate something that answers those questions it makes the theory much more plausible. Speculating for the sake of considering every role there could be doesn't seem to help solve anything. We should be starting with suspicious behaviour, even as in the curious incident of the dog in the nighttime, the suspicious behaviour is the lack of something. Is Ed telling the truth just does not seem something that can be discussed outside of what our gut tells us and what can be deducted from facts, which are really thin on the ground when we don't know if the Vig was 1x, or what the mafia roles are.