Rafe as a figurehead of all the influences on the show, from writers to producers to Amazon executives to the Light knows who, yet you lay any blame squarely on the Rafe. And you are so interested in WoT that you have 9 posts. Obviously we can barely stop you discussing your love of the books. This is emblematic of the personal attacks on Rafe in lieu of actual contentual criticisms. Efforts were made to make a sprawling story with nearly 3,000 named characters and several abrupt changes in narrative, and a heavy reliance on internal POV, into a TV series of 8 seasons with 8 episodes. Your subjective opinion is it wasn't done well. And you pretend this is an objective fact. Not something that lends confidence to the validity of your subjective opinion.

Thank you 🥰 But it is hardly fair if you can lie with such a straight face, lol 🤣 Only joking, really I do appreciate the compliments, especially from an accomplished winner 😄

Even though they were talking about making Rand's relationships into a more consensual polyamorous one? Min, I admit I have no idea where they were going with that one, but it looks like we are never going to find out. Elayne and Aviendha appeared to me to be being set up to be sister-wives, but not with Rand as the be all and end all in the relationship but as an equal partner.

1 or 2? Tricky. Also it is rather funny that Aqua Surge is so high as then we were still beating up the bad guys, ever since we have been calming them, unbewitching them, befriending them and freeing them. Maybe we need to go back to beating them up? We should go back and punch Kevin in the face straight away, lol.

Oh yeah I don't mean that you should have or whatever, and such an attempt to could have also backfired, I just mean to quantify how dumb of a mistake it was, that it wasn't only endangering me but could have swung the whole game. One of these days it would be nice to look back over a game and feel good about it, lol.

Meditate before checking the shopping mall?

Why make it personal at all? And if the show objectively did not understand the books, why is it that "many, many" book fans really loved the show? Clearly many people are disappointed that the show has been cancelled, many couldn't care less and there are those that are happy about it which I struggle to understand. But hey, you guys do you.

Ringmaster

Sure thing. Maybe we can get some new threads.

May as well ask Nyra. And then do some side quests or just plow on? Not sure how useful the last side quests were.

Actually thinking about it, Tigs, it was such a bad mistake you could even have defended me for town cred and brought the game home that way. Painful realisation, lol.

Thank you for the compliment. I'm not so sure about if I would have found the that sus or noti, I have a slight tendency to be naive about such things as it was a such a small detail that did not affect the game. I think it was also fairly convincing that it was more a mistake some playing on their own thinking of a three day old mail would have made rather than a calculating team. But that said it was tragically stupid of me. No idea how I was remembering 1* investigate as informant. And yeah town was totally happy to eliminate me. I would also have been thrown by the NK attempt on me, like I though Turin was pretty much cleared as if he was a wolf the NK would have to have been directed at me and I thought that was really unlikely. I hate this game, lol. When does the next one start?

"It seems clear" that some people are keen on handing out personal insults without any knowledge of what was actually involved in making the series. "Most people agree" with you? Really? How did you come to this realisation?

Hear, hear. Or here, here. Not really sure which, neither makes a lot of sense really. Though in Dutch there is a emphasizer which is "hoor" (pronounced like door or floor, not blood, flood, food or wood) which means roughly "hear" but in practice doesn't alter the actual meaning at all (so Ja, hoor means nothing other than Ja) so when you step on someone's toes you can simply call them a "Surrey whore [sorrie, hoor]" which has always tickled me slightly. Ja, hoor.

While it appears we will never know what they intended with Min, a more equal polyamorous relationship with Aviendha and Elayne seemed fairly well underway.

You are most welcome 🙂 It is always fun to share and exchange ideas with other fans. The lore is based on Eastern ideas of eternal, cyclical time. So yes - our age is the First Age, which progresses to the Age of Legends where the Bore is made so the Dark One can touch the world and it is repaired in the Third Age. Time goes on until the Seventh Age when something apocalyptic happens sending humanity back to the Stone Age for the First Age to start again. I'm not sure if it ever says in the books if things happen exactly the same, but I think Jordan clarified that each turning was different, though following the same major themes and history points. The thing is that in my understanding, classical Eastern concept of cyclical time includes the concept of Nirvana, that all souls are working towards. So for souls, time is linear, starting from the lowest origins going to Nirvana, just in the context of a cyclical universal time. In this sense, the Zen Rand's idea that the point of the Wheel is to try to do better each life makes sense. But in WoT, there is no Nirvana to escape to, so you cannot do better each life. You are trapped in an eternal cycle of balance - the brighter the Light, the darker the Shadow. For example in the Trolloc Wars, both sides knew, no matter how well they did, everything was going to come back eventually to the set of circumstances that started the Wars. However well Lews Therin tackles the Bore, the Pattern will adjust so Rand faces the same issues. Because the Pattern will not allow a victory for the Light any more than a victory for the Shadow. But of course in WoT there is always the question of what is true and what is an unreliable narrator? How do the Aes Sedai know how the fabric of the universe is made? I at least have never seen how Jordan answered these points.

I must say I'm with you on this. One of the things I find most funny about it all is how people constantly complain about Rafe making a big deal out of his favourite character Egwene. And so often this is followed up by something like "if I had my way, it would all be about Mat!". Yeah, cos true fans don't have favourite characters, lol. It is a real shame, a real shame. Definitely the first season could have been better, better choices could have been made throughout the show, but I am really disappointed. And this is the opinion of a fervent fan of the books for his entire adult life.

Oh totally. I'm still trying to work on how not to be so active in the thread, as so far, that has not been working out so well for me. But I still have this naive assumption that I can influence the thread in the way I want to. Let's just say with mixed results so far, lol, if I'm being generous 🙂

Totally - but as Turin was bringing up last game (though admittedly with Town players) when you are arguing and debating often your "I always had x as town" might not actually match your lists. Then it obviously comes down to how do you read it, but it would still be easier as a "fake" reader to only concentrate on a limited number of players and then invent whatever was necessary about their thoughts on the rest as necessary, whereas a list limits that ability. That said, I am standing by my take that I may never give a list again.

Oh I'm not serious. I get winning feels good, I get taking those risks and seeing them pay off feels good. I just haven't personally experienced that yet, lol So when I say I'm not bitter... perhaps it would be better to say I'm trying, lol.

And just to point out the smugness of the winning teams again (oh it wasn't difficult for me when we whipped your sorry butts, lol, LOOSERS!). Though just to emphasise, I'm absolutely not bitter at all.

I may be misremembering, but as I recall you barely posted in that game, that is why your dissection of my case on DPR should have been blatantly obvious to anyone (not that I'm bitter, obviously). Keeping things consistent would be more difficult the more you interact with the thread, for any alignment. Though as someone that has never been a wolf I am guessing a bit there.

Such a meanie-pants, lol.

I like option one, but training works for me too.

Billie