30 minutes ago, Shawlee said:

@Ralph i have no clue. You should check it out

will do. I re watched just before s2 came out

when did this happen? 

4 hours ago, Samt said:

I think one of the problems with combining the books in the way that they have is that in the show Rand is the dragon only because Moiraine thinks he is the dragon.  He hasn't really fulfilled any prophecies beyond Moiraine just making sure that he fulfills those prophecies.  By removing Callandor and making the battle in the sky into a dragon illusion that Moiraine created, they have made it so Rand never actually does something that proves he is the dragon.  

Show Rand definitely feels like a Katniss style puppet rather than an actual hero of his own story.  

who won the prophesied battle in the sky then? 

Ishy (and Lanfear) made sure he did, but it can only be Rand

15 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

The next 2 week figures are going to be the most interesting.
I'm expecting a large bump for the finale, and another huge bump the week after for people who were waiting for the series to finish to binge watch the whole thing.

yes. like s1

2 minutes ago, Max Delpo said:

 

Yes, of course. It was just for simplify: for the show watchers, everyone channel the same part

The quote doesn't indicate that though. i don't know what non readers have understood as I haven't asked any, but I don't think that scene misleads or misrepresents vis a vis this. (the making it filthy is a different point.) 

On 10/25/2023 at 4:27 PM, Max Delpo said:

 

In ep1s1 cold open (literally the beginning) Liandrin said: "When you touch the source, you make it filthy. That power is for the woman, the woman alone"

For the watchers there is clearly just one source, till now

 

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In the books there is also only one source, just two parts of it. 

down to similar to first weeks. very surprised

seems people really do watch the episodes as soon as they come out or not at all? 

In which case next week is the finale's figures

https://www.wotseries.com/2023/10/23/scoop-the-wheel-of-time-season-3-episode-1-title-revealed/#

3 hours ago, Scarloc99 said:

Rafe has stated that the writers had a mouth drip moment when he revealed a major character dies so that leads me to believe he is not keeping her in the show, now she might return but if the Finn are being removed I can see her being dead dead and Lanfer as well. 

I think Rafe hinted they are having one of Mat's two Finn encounters 

7 hours ago, Scarloc99 said:

There is a big difference here the ships where taking food and goods to the people of Tar Valon, not attacking it. The Seanchan vessels where obviously an invading armoured force and they where attacking the Dragon Reborn while he was fighting a Foresaken, if that does not make them darkfriends by definition I don't know what will. 

I think it was responding to my suggestion that inevitable casualties is not the same as trying to injure or kill. against which it is a good point, although the show can have a different definition. 

6 hours ago, Samt said:

 

Also, I think that in the show the darkfriend loophole isn’t even part of the oaths anyways.

nor did the books originally. it was added in later, when RJ realised the necessity. 

but the simplest answer to the oath question is just that it is not inevitable it will kill anyone. they were not a mile from shore and it was not freezing... 

1 hour ago, Pandemonium said:

. If season 2 is still getting decent numbers (albeit lower than season 1) with no marketing then this viewership is likely the baseline numbers that all future seasons will get.  With more viral moments, word of mouth, and hopefully increasing show quality this show will likely grow to season 3.  I'm optimistic like that.  Season 1 shed some people, but not everyone-- and some of those people may come back over time.  

 

This is anecdotal but I got 4 friends that didn't like season 1 and to restart and  and make it through season 2.  All of them enjoyed it more.  I know alot of people too that have season 2 on their watchlist (some due to my word of mouth) that will eventually watch.  I don't think wheel of time will die out as fast as other Amazon shows between seasons

 

 

 

 

This week's numbers are higher than equivalent week in s1. 

even if you play in the number of minutes per episode they are not far behind. 

and I would be astonished if they don't go up more next week

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

up a lot as we predicted. and this is only 18-24 so only two days after ep 6 aired 

1 hour ago, Finnssss22 said:

 

 

Does Avi go with Perrin or Rand?

 

 

 

I saw a leak that she goes with Rand and someone else is with Perrin, Bain and Chiad

1 hour ago, Mirefox said:

I won’t spoil who killed the fade but I doubt we are going to revisit that as the character really isn’t the same as in the books.

I am pretty certain we are going to, actually 

The whispering voices when PF was told to let Mat take the dagger I understood to mean that the fight between Shadar Logoth and Shayol Ghul in his mind is still ongoing. And I assume he is going to the TR with Perrin and Dain next season. 

2 hours ago, EmreY said:

 

I'm not disputing that that was what the article said.  I'm saying I'm glad that it was cut because why Perrin (other than the fact that he's there?).

In the show only Perrin has met him

I do find it amusing that some people call the show misandrist for putting women in power more than in the books (Ila over Raen, Marine over Bran, Galldrian being a woman), yet I think it is clear that a significant point of the WoT is to show that the imbalance that has existed throughout history is equally problematic when it is the women in power. 

https://winteriscoming.net/2023/10/16/a-key-scene-was-cut-from-the-wheel-of-time-season-2-finale/

https://www.wotseries.com/2023/10/17/wheeloftime-eason-3-audition-tape-aiel-couladin/

3 hours ago, nsmallw said:

Any thoughts on who the 2nd Forsaken that Rafe mentioned being in season three ?

I know we have Mogi, so is the 2nd one Sammael who was mentioned in ep 8 of season 2 or Asmodean or another Forsaken we've not had confirmed. 

If like the books will be Asmo

or Ishamael taught her

22 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

I 100% promise you there were doing everything they could not to have a gendered power in season 1.  It was so painfully obvious and that Moiraine talk with Rand is laughable in the mental acrobatics they were attempting.

I do think it is possible they did everything they could not to have to explain this. yes. not not to have it. and that may have been to avoid offending the people who were offended by the books. but it doesn't brainwash or present any agenda, because it doesn't explain it any other way either.

it is only people who know how it was in the books who would even notice anything about it.

similarly I believe there is no chance they will have Aran'gar. but that is not an agenda - it is avoiding the things that may offend and upset some people. 

even if you disagree and consider the existence of trans people, or gender fluid people, or any other non cis identity, to be a political question (which somehow in the States it is, when if anything it should be a scientific question), avoiding expressing an opinion one way or the other is not "an agenda". 

and nobody has yet answered whether all of the anti-Rafe crew (not anti-show, that is a different thing) were similarly frothing at the mouth when suddenly BS introduced a male gay character, which RJ had never thought of having. or Lesbianism as something other than a girls' college bit of fun or Galina. were those changes presenting an agenda and spitting on RJ, who did not feature any such thing? 

5 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

And it would be nice if if some of you would stop pretending like there is no agenda when the show runner has explicitly said there’s an agenda.  You can agree with it, move it, loathe it, embrace it, be blind to it, or whatever, but saying things like “alleged agenda” is either willful ignorance or gross sycophancy.

except that he didn't 

https://www.cbr.com/the-wheel-of-time-season-3-focus/

2 hours ago, Yamezt said:

Egwene has killed quite a bit in the books but the one that sticks out in my mind is Egwene killing Raken in hopes that she deny the Seanchan any access to a sister who knows gateway even if she kills them. And she probably thought she was doing those sisters a favour to prevent them from experiencing torture. Understandable that there was a strategic risk losing gateway but doesn't make it any colder a decision to kill her own people. 

still a difference between military strategy and pure revenge