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  1. 2 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

    That’s what made Game of Thrones Season 8 so much better than Game of Thrones Season 1….

     

    The main reason GoT became such a phenomenon was because non readers never knew what to expect, and readers loved watching them react to the shocks (Ned, Red Wedding, Mountain duel). 

     

    WoT could never have that. There aren't really any "shocks" in the whole series. 

  2. 4 hours ago, king of nowhere said:

    it's a pity that this thread got derailed.

     

    then again, there's not much else to be said, the first post was great and not much to add.

     

    I wonder if using the sword will be even part of rand in the show? I mean, what does change about rand if he never learns the sword? everything he accomplish with the sword, he could do with the power, or could be skipped. even bashere calls him on it, saying learning the sword for him is silly, at best it's a personal pasttime.

    the only time rand actually needs the sword is in far madding. which happens in the slog, and so can be cut entirely even according to show detractors 😛. or, even if it was not cut, he could get lan or aviendha or a team of aiel to do the fighting for him. or he could not learn the sword and still learn aiel martial arts.

    if rand stopped using the sword entirely in this version of the wheel, I don't think the story would suffer in any way.

     

     

    we have strong inferences he will in s3

  3. 5 minutes ago, Scarloc99 said:

    I hope they show why he filled the fade, and how he either hid it from Ishy, or Ishy just let it happen. That whole scene in the farm has been left unresolved and unexplained. 

     

    I think they will still get to PF being the other evil. the whispering voices started when Ishy told him to give it to Mat. 

  4. Question: (maybe should be a poll) 

     

    Did you

    1) expect Rafe to distort the story based on his misandrist and otherwise revolting (maybe even woke) views, and have been pleasantly surprised to discover that he has not done so? 

    2) not expect so, but have been distressed to discover that he has? 

    or 3) is every person who thinks one way or the other following exactly and only their preconceived expectation based on their understanding of Rafe's statements before S1 aired? 

     

  5. 1 hour ago, Scarloc99 said:

    and this is the thing, alot of the lore around the oaths is also wraped up in doctrine, what is a weapon, that is probably defined in a book somewhere in the white tower, I imagine there are lessons on these very things to ensure novices are conditioned so as not to think to far around the oaths. I imagine these lessons where defined and created by Black Ajah sisters as yet another form of control. 

     

    but, that also suggests that conditioning can be broken and twisted, Moiraine has not been in the tower for 20 years, so she is alot more free to play around the edges of the oaths. 

    The Elayne one is a good comparison. but even Verin disagreeing is only saying because it is intended to harm them. without intention to harm she would have agreed.

     

    to me the only question is can you argue the harm is unintentional when she clearly wanted to disrupt their channeling, and that may only be possible by harming them. 

  6. 2 hours ago, LightHelpMe said:

    I realize it was battle lust, but he didn't kill the Whitecloak that was trying to kill him. He killed the man who killed Hopper. And he wasn't there to fight Whitecloaks, he was there to fight Seanchan. I'm not talking about it holding up in court, I'm talking about what is going to do to Perrin. In the books, he only kills Whitecloaks in self defense, and he kills enemies in battle. He could easily see Eamon Valda as an enemy, but not Bornhald.

    in the books he went out swinging because they were attacking the wolves.  not self defense. if it were, he would have used that as a defense in the silly trial.  it was defend his friend Hopper. I liked this change - just would have preferred it was quicker so it could be seen as an instinctive reaction not planned revenge

  7. 37 minutes ago, Ralph said:

     

    I don't believe we saw anything remotely similar from any AS. Moiraine had to take out individual Trollocs at the beginning of S1. 

     

    Lan mentioned in an interview that in S3 he spends time doing sword forms with "a certain other character" and Rafe said recently that they put off Rand's sword training to S3 because he was alone throughout S2. 

    will try to find the links

     

    lan interview 

     

  8. 37 minutes ago, Ralph said:

     

    I don't believe we saw anything remotely similar from any AS. Moiraine had to take out individual Trollocs at the beginning of S1. 

     

    Lan mentioned in an interview that in S3 he spends time doing sword forms with "a certain other character" and Rafe said recently that they put off Rand's sword training to S3 because he was alone throughout S2. 

    will try to find the links

     

    And Rand… there’s so much to dig into, but I want to ask about his confrontation with Turak. Instead of engaging in a swordfight with a blademaster, he uses the One Power against Turak. How did you develop this scene?

    Judkins
    : For us, we haven’t really told the story of Rand and Lan training together yet. It is coming. But we hadn’t told it yet. But we still needed to pull off this Rand/Turak confrontation. I think it’s just one of those scenes that’s etched into your mind from the second book that we had to do.

    What we tried to do is combine it with a scene in the third book with Rand where he kills all these men who are attacking him and they all fall to their knees with the One Power. It’s a very disturbing, unsettling scene in book three that puts a question mark in your mind of what path Rand is headed on and gives the audience its first real glimpse of the amount of power he wields, which I think is really important. That’s what we were trying to do with that scene. We wanted to deliver the iconic scene from the books. But Rand hasn’t had that storyline with Lan yet, so this is a way we could bring it to the show.

     

     

    from https://nerdist.com/article/wheel-of-time-season-two-finale-showrunner-rafe-judkins-interview-forsaken-dragon-reborn-prophecy/

  9. 42 minutes ago, ilovezam said:

    Yep, and someone like Elayne or any random Aes Sedai could have easily done the same (assuming the Oaths are not hindering them). Rand's only unique feat in the season that demonstrated a scary amount of raw power was channeling an abnormal amount when learning from Logain.
     

     

    That's neat, I have not heard about Rand learning swordfighting in S3. Do you have a source? 
     

     

    I don't believe we saw anything remotely similar from any AS. Moiraine had to take out individual Trollocs at the beginning of S1. 

     

    Lan mentioned in an interview that in S3 he spends time doing sword forms with "a certain other character" and Rafe said recently that they put off Rand's sword training to S3 because he was alone throughout S2. 

    will try to find the links

  10. 45 minutes ago, ilovezam said:

    It's not so much that he's become weaker, but rather he hasn't done anything with the Power that a bottom-tier Aes Sedai couldn't have. 

     

    We know his potential is still there with that scene he seized the Source at Logain's, but in the context of the universe and the entertainment value of the shows they've absolutely taken away all the moments from Rand where he learned or demonstrated either his sai'din and swordfighting skills. He's literally got less swordfighting time than Nynaeve(??) and Perrin(???) at this point.

     

    killing turak and his soldiers

     

    perrin has not shown skill with the sword, which we have already been told is coming for Rand in S3.

     

    Rand has not been involved in any of the fights with multiple fighters, whereas Perrin has. and that is not unlike the books at this stage tbh

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