Definitely never happened in the novels. Not even once. 😜

And yet, if you actually watch the show, it becomes clear that the Aes Sedai have it all wrong by thinking that. The opening narration is wrong because the narrator is unreliable.

It’s a good thing the show does grasp that fact, I guess.

That’s horribly inaccurate. The numbers being included here exclude the people who watched while the show was airing. Those numbers were obviously much higher in the weeks that it was airing. Secondly, you’re getting the equivalent of 80k series views per week. But that assumes that all those are watching both seasons. Certainly some are people who watched season one and just returned for S2 once the whole thing dropped. So it could be up to 160k views of S2. Third, these are US numbers only. Finally, books sold is a pretty meaningless comparison.

Yeah. I think you’re right about my math being off. 80k series views per week over 12 weeks is 960k series views in the 3 months following the full release. Still not too shabby for the US alone. That’s moving the goalposts though, because no one is arguing that it’s a “tentpole”. Only that it’s not the disaster that some are claiming.

You’re correct. I was mixing up that number with 2 million which was mentioned earlier. Even so, that six million is only over the three months following the full release. That doesn’t include the numbers during the actual run of season 2. There was only one week where viewership dropped below 80M minutes, and that was the week of Thanksgiving. That means you’re getting the equivalent of 5 million series views per week. Even if you say 10% of that figure is repeat viewers (which I think is way too high), that’s still 4 million new viewers per week. And that’s just in the US. That really can’t be considered a “failure”.

Where was 6 million mentioned? I must have missed that. We are talking about the 3 month period following the release of S2E8, so why should we assume “considerable S1 rewatches” took place during that stretch? Similarly, why should we assume “multiple rewatches” of S2 took place over that time period? Those seem like unfounded assumptions without data to support them.

Putting some of this into perspective: Based on @books of Robert Jordan's numbers as posted here, between October 23, 2023 and December 24, 2023, viewers watched 1.65 billion minutes of the Wheel of Time which works out to just over 103 million episodes watched in the 3 full months following the full release of season 2. That's not bad.

Yeah, I’m not sure where he is coming up with those numbers.

Where’s the 30% drop number coming from? I don’t understand the math.

Or it’s indicative of the fact that the show is in a hiatus right now and people are tired of rehashing the same topics. It will pick up as S3 approaches. You have literally no idea what metrics Amazon uses to determine whether the show is a “success” or what they take into account when deciding whether the cost of the show is justified.

Min isn’t a dark friend. She’s being manipulated by one. Big difference.

Margo Martindale.

I will give you Min, Lan and Moiraine. But the EFF are on the same arcs as the books. The others are being adapted to allow for and help create a more intimate, less epic telling of the story.

Give me an example of a major character whose “fundamental character arc” has been “completely transformed”.

It’s definitely true. Donnelly has 3 episodes in S3. Good news for people who are looking for better action scenes.

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say…

Rand does it by accident the first time. It’s when he ends up alone with Avi

Please don't walk away with that impression. Your comments are welcome and appreciated.

Examples?

Nor once in this show do they mention Ta'veren it doesn't exist. Other than within the first 5 minutes of the very first episode, you mean.

Nobody is claiming otherwise. My statement was simply parroting the surface level statement that it quoted. My statement was not conducive to discussion. The statement it quoted was not conducive to discussion. Neither is the constant repetition of your opinion (always couched as fact) that the show is "D-Tier amateurish" "'Twilight'-level schlock".

I truly do not understand why people are trashing the writing and direction of this show. I get that some of you are consumed by rage that the show isn't a shot for shot adaptation of the source material but the books are still there for you to read if you want to. You don't even have to watch the show, much less come onto fan sites and complain about it. The complaints you raise have been made ad nauseum since the first trailer was released and no one is changing their mind based on your repeated claims that Jordan has been insulted.

Logic is objective? Classical logic, perhaps. But most of what people refer to these days as “logic” has nothing to do with classical logic and is simply a shortcut for “makes sense to me.” Moreover, evaluating a show where magic exists using classical logic is a fruitless exercise given that “magic” can fill in gaps. But what are a few examples of these logical and internal inconsistencies that this show “suffers so much from”?

Right. Because math has truly objective metrics. There is a right answer. The only truly objective thing about writing is grammar. But using poor grammar doesn’t necessarily make for bad writing (see William Faulkner for example).