2 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:

Slow down. There is more than one wolf to skin and you should know this is terribly risky 

I do.  I'm also bone tired.  83 pages of underperforming and teammates doing even less, and my best town reads getting killed by my town.  

So, this is it.  You guys aren't going to ever actually lynch her if I don't force the issue, and I'm not willing to lose on a read I've had since D1 cause I can't get anyone behind me.  If she's not insta-hammered at some point you'll know I was right and if she is then I was gonna screw this up anyhow.

2 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:

Whatre the odds of a JOAT and vig in the same setup? He’s confirmed with a shot but I wouldn’t rule out a wolf vig yet. If I had to guess I would say Cory shot Leelou and wolves killed him

 

Verbal shooting her doesn’t make sense based on their play 

Agree.  Hally's a wolf with Verb who survived 2 lynches, Verb wasn't around D1 so the thread really was out of wolf control, we find the third one after those two hang.  It's beautiful and I see it all perfectly.  The only ? mark is where the wolf is between you/tripped, but I'm putting all my eggs on it being Tripped at this point.

13 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

Well balls.

 

Guessing Verbal, Tripped, and Hallia are wolves?

 

Either way, this is probably gg after y'all lynch me on D3. 

Btw, it's too late for this sorta thing but this post has good tone.  Legitimately.

I'm basically never voting anywhere except Hally today.  You guys can lynch me if you disagree, but here's your litmus test.  A 3 wolf team hammers T! Hally and wins right here, unless you think I'm a wolf and Cory lied about saving me N1.

Psuedo Gladiator begin:

Vote Hallia

6 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:

We need to throw reads out with the bath water and more or less start from scratch today.

 

THIS. IS. END. GAME.

Yes and No.  It is Lylo... Though, if Verbal isn't a wolf then he could hero vig tonight.  

10 minutes ago, Sooh said:

It is now day. 

 

Leelou has died. She was Vanilla Town.

Cory has died. He was Town JOAT.

 

Alive players: 
Darthe, Hallia, SD, Tripped, Verb, WhiskeyD, VooDoo

 

Hammer is active. With 7 alive it's 4 to hammer.

 

End of D3

HMMMM.  Verb may well be a wolf here.  JOAT usually has a vig shot, and Cory messed up by not being honest about the claim, cause now we can't figure out whether Cory shot or Verb did.  This gets tough, cause I don't see how you put a vig and a joat in the same game.

@Sooh, what were the abilities of the JOAT?

53 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

I added some (obvious) issues it could present. But god it would be easier (from a mod standpoint) on figuring out the vote count. lmao

You signing up?

5 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

Back when Arie started Fireball, I suggested using the Poll feature.

Players can unvote and vote on the poll. Poll never has to close, and it's always constantly updated on every page... and I believe it tells you who voted for what.

 

The only possible issue I can foresee, is people can unvote before mods see a hammer, and I don't believe there's any "snapshot" history on it.
 

That could be really interesting, I’ll give it a shot!

They are rage.  Brutal, without mercy.  But you, you will be worse.  Rip and Tear until it is done.
 

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1. VoodooNut

2. Zander

3. Verbal

4. Sooh

5. Cass

6. Sinister

7. AWholeLoafofBread

Reserves:

Rules:

Mod rules:

I always give rules for me as a mod before rules as a player.  SO here are some rules I'll be following.  No bastard modding.  No cults.  No influencing the game unfairly.  Flavor will not in any way affect the game for players.  Modkilling is a last resort and I'll make every effort to replace a slot or even leave it a shell for a bit before doing so, barring that this course of action doesn't make sense.  Since the game is themed, non-town players will be given fake claims.  NK does come from an individual who makes the shot.  

Player rules:

Votes go in bold, whoever makes the post that rolls over to the next odd page updates and posts a new VC so they're never more than 2 pages out of date.

Hybrid hammer game.  Unvoting not required.

D1 will be 72 hours, D2 and onwards will be 48 hours.  Nights will last 24 to maintain the schedule.

Night chat is available, but not required.  I do expect at least a post per game day from slots otherwise, and an action (or holster) each night for PRs.  

Don't edit posts.

Don't try to go outside of the game thread for anything game related, such as PMing other players etc. unless it is a chat created by myself for that specific purpose.  Generally let's pretend this rule covers all the things you'd usually see when mods try to say no cheating.

3 minutes ago, Sooh said:

Hammer is end of day. No speaking. It’s in the rules. 

My b, I’ll shut up then and can delete those if you want.

Oh and if I were y’all, I’d lynch hally.  I’m assuming I’m dead tomorrow, but in addition to being lackluster d1 and opportunistic with her votes, she disappeared d2 and is now actively on 2 town lunches.  
 

hally/tripped is prob a high% wolf team.

Uhh idk if we count that as the end of day, but assuming no til it’s mid confirmed.  Verb should shoot tonight to confirm his vig ability, and I’d recommend shooting from the PoE.  Sinister ain’t a bad shot on the clov flip.

also, assuming clov is town, this game is gonna go sideways tomorrow.  We’ll need a cop reveal and prob have to throw all the reads out with the bath water, but if it’s a noobie don’t do anything dumb like copping Cory or verb.  Put it somewhere useful, like leelou or AJ. 
 

last tidbit I can think of off the top of my head, if clov V then here’s where my reads stand:

village:

Cory

tripped

verbal (assuming the vig can be verified, drop him to 3rd from bot if not)

AJ

voodoo

^one wolf in the above prob, but figure it out at f3.

actively wolfy:

Leelou

hally

sinister

watch for who you’re led towards noobies.  Cory is your guide, wait on him and ignore the rest.

Hybrid hammer is really nice with night chat cause you get the best of both worlds.  Idk, I mainly think it’s a QOL improvement for most games.

9 minutes ago, Darthe said:

nows the time to think you shouldnt

Scratch this. I don’t want to bully you into your votes.  But I do need to stop flipflopping on your slot. Who’s your top wolf pick?

10 minutes ago, TrippedOnReality said:

 

The only time I've clearly ever town read him is after he yeeted mafia.  that hasn't happened yet, so I'm not sure what you want me to say.  Is there a world he could be mafia?  absolutely.  you asked for my read on him, so I gave it.  The reason I didn't want to make it is because I know that I'm not good at reading him before he's done something significant.  My approach to Chris most games is basically let him do his thing, see where it goes.  If his reads are lining up with mine great, if not, we usually try to hash them out.  If he's town, we've had high success with catching mafia and work really well together.  The problem is, up until we actually yeet mafia, it's kind of a "I'm going to treat you as town until I think I shouldn't."  Except the first game we ever played together, mafia!Chris has shot me N1 or N2. 

nows the time to think you shouldnt

i think he is l-1.  dont vote yet just to be safe

Darthe-esque paranoia post:
 

1 minute ago, whiskey delta said:

Darthe I think your evaluation metric might be too high here. I won’t deny SD looks bad from a “typical” town standpoint but I also think that’s not gonna work for this slot

 

if it flips wolf then I guess that’s on me but I don’t see it. I thought their stuff today chewing on the claims and how they might interact were good. Not unfakeable but legit effort into at least pretending to think

 

its better than the content from others this phase imo

 

Lol I think you x-posted my post.  I think the slot's town.

From all of this my takeaway is that sinister is a bit lost, and that they should never make it to f3, but I'd not want to lynch them.  If they were a wolf they basically committed suicide, barring that this is some intense bus play from verb and their wolf team was inactive d1.  But again, those are the sorts of fringe scenarios we don't humor.

30 minutes ago, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Yes, I think he's more likely to be town than not based on his interactions with me last night and just generally being on the same page with our reads most of the game.  But I've absolutely gotten crushed by mafia!Chris pretty much every time he's been mafia against me, so I could be wrong.    

See, this I don't like particularly.  Everyone, and I do mean everyone, is more likely to be town than mafia. That's the point of the game.  You keep saying you can't read clov as a wolf at all, that you've never done it successfully, but this is the first time I've gotten you to clearly say you think he's town and it's because I pushed you into it.  I think it's interesting that you think you can townread him well but not wolfread him, yet in a game where you're not clearly townreading him you aren't using that as a tell that he could be a wolf, and when pushed you default to town.  Does that make sense?

On 7/10/2022 at 9:10 PM, SinisterDeath said:

 

Interesting.

Assuming derf = Darthe, we have a potential team of Darthe, Tripped, and Cory.

From what interaction I've had with Zander, his D1 reads were the exact opposite of what happened.
Zander thought Dice was Town and I was Wolf. Opposite was true. 😉 
 

On 7/10/2022 at 9:03 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Who should we absolutely not lunch?

On 7/11/2022 at 2:42 PM, SinisterDeath said:

We're working opposite goals here lmao

On 7/11/2022 at 10:07 AM, SinisterDeath said:

How is this not Wolfy? 🙂

On 7/11/2022 at 9:55 AM, SinisterDeath said:

Exactly what a wolf would say. 

Okay, so the short of it is: SD made it very clear he didn't trust Zander and even in a world where he did, he didn't think Zander had good reads based on their last game which is his experience in mafia.  It's then notable that Zander voted Leelou 3 posts before he voted Dice.  

On 7/12/2022 at 6:53 PM, SinisterDeath said:

@Darthe

If Cory was wolf, do you think he'd take out Zander, thinking he was a Vig? (I seem to think Zander lying about being a vig?)

 

I also remember Verb claiming he'd vig Zander.

 

If a doc saved someone from the wolf, then we can assume the Vig took out Zander.  Right? 

Last thing here.  This post?  Yeah this post came almost a full day before the vig claim.  

11 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

Ok, caught up.

 

And yes, I shot Zander.  Roleclaim:  town vigilante

 

Honestly, I thought he had a good chance at being scum.  Didn't like our back & forth and really thought he was going to flip scum and I'd do a little dance.

 

What do we know?  That the Doc (assuming that's Cory because no cc as of yet) blocked the scum NK, or the scum didn't shoot after seeing me post about vigging Zander D1.  I would imagine that's less likely, as scum would want dead bodies, so I'm going with Doc blocking the NK.

 

I usually holster N1 as a vig unless I feel confident, which is why I fired.  lolme

15 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

I was anti-voting with Zander, so my vote was on Dice. 

 

Zander wanted to hammer someone, I wanted it to go Random. I didn't get in before vote count to take it off dice and put in on Hallia. 

 

I was right that Dice wasn't wolf, and I do have regrets not moving it off him earlier. 

That leads us to here.  I had 3 posts for this, but to summarize, Sinister said multiple times at the start of this day "I had dice as villa and he turned out to be villa, and he thought I was villa so trust his read" or something to that effect.  Note the Zander parts of this posts, we're looking for internal consistency since play isn't necessarily the focus with these kinds of reads.  This brings me to part 3.

On 7/11/2022 at 2:41 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Forgetting me reading Hallia and LeeLou as a murder duo before Dice even got involved with voting Hallia?

Meant to include this in that last one.  One minute later he says he was reading hally as a wolf, but he just voted the counterwagon 1 minute ago who he's townread all game.

On 7/11/2022 at 10:06 AM, SinisterDeath said:

Gut.

Your explanations on Dice comes off as too convenient (to me). 
Like you don't actually sus Dice, but want to appear town so you jumped sus on Dice for thinking I'm Townie.

IMO, Dice is still salty over last game. My "gut" (and my dice! Page 8 of Fireball)  said Dice was Wolf D1 in Fireball, I got lynched for it. 
My "gut" (and dice) say Dice isn't wolf this game.

Of the bandwagons: Dice, Me, You and Hallia, I'd have to support the one that's not Me or Dice.

On 7/11/2022 at 10:09 AM, SinisterDeath said:

@Leelou, you unvote Dice, vote me, and I'll unvote you.

On 7/11/2022 at 11:52 AM, SinisterDeath said:

This here, at the very least confirms to me that one of you isn't the wolf.

If Dice & VooDoo are wolves. Do you think Dice's absence could have allowed VooDoo to be VooDoo and not get shushed like you would have? Or would it be inline with Dice's game to let a newbie Wolf do their own thing?

On 7/11/2022 at 12:07 PM, SinisterDeath said:

If I recall right, VooDoo went after you with a dice roll on page 17, that you claim claim was faked.
Dice Jumped in by backing VooDoo  by voting You on page 24.

If Dice was a Wolf, would it be advantageous for him to Back Me as Town, someone he would know is town, and is likely to get lynched to exonerate him self? Yes. 100%.

But, I also think Town Dice is 100% capable of reading me as town.
I'm not 100% confident I can read Dice as Town, but my "gut" says he's town this game.

My dice say VooDoo could be Wolf, but my gut doesn't say anything.

VooDoo voting Hallia could be a distraction from both of you being wolf.

Cory, Clov reading me as town could just be them acting town and getting a good town read on me while ignoring that they already know who is and isn't the wolf, but had you all lynched me and found me town (you will), it would make any wolf seem less guilty on the surface level.

So what I'm getting at is... Those who voted me, could be wolf for the easy town kill. And those who side with me as being town, could be wolf trying to appear town.
 

On 7/11/2022 at 12:40 PM, SinisterDeath said:

JFC. I'm not talking about game integrity or how roles were picked.

I was literally going back to when Dice first voted Hallia, and it happened after VooDoo did his dice roll to vote Hallia. Hallia said she didn't say VooDoo faked his roll, only that it would be easy to, so I quoted what she said back then, and I read that as implying VooDoo faked his roll.

The screenshot was just me being snippy.

Whatever, off to work I go.

On 7/11/2022 at 2:40 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Unvote SD
Vote Dice

I'm doing this in multiple parts to make it easier.  This second bit is where it gets really odd. Pay attention to the time.  The first four posts are just showing that he's actively using his dice read to work in the thread, and there's absolutely nothing between that and the vote that indicates any change of heart.  That's the 4th vote on Dice making him the counterwagon to Hally (who had 5).  I included the second to last post (and the one before it) to show what he's saying about Hallia at the time.  

On 7/10/2022 at 6:27 PM, SinisterDeath said:

1. Swing Whiskey, save Darthe

2. Swing Voodoo, save Dice.

3. Swing Hallia, save Tripped. 

On 7/10/2022 at 6:31 PM, SinisterDeath said:

1. The dice gods aren't wrong. They weren't wrong game 1.

2. VooDoo feels off to me compared to last game.

 

Darthe and Dice are the only ones I have good reads on. Everything else is gut or chance. 

Literally the first time he mentions Dice or I, and he says "everything else is gut or chance" implying these reads arent.  

On 7/10/2022 at 8:08 PM, SinisterDeath said:

 

 

 

If only I was the doc this time. I'm a Villager like Dice. Chance are, I'll get capped tonight either by lynch or wolf snack.

 

The bold will probably keep verb from ever voting elsewhere today.

On 7/10/2022 at 8:31 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Not doubling down.

But while you all are definitely going to lunch me tonight, you all should really pay attention to the people who point fingers and then went to sleep.

Oh, and if my hunches are right, maybe next game you won't lunch me D1 again?
Unvote VooDoo
Vote SinisterDeath

This came about because of a conversation where he thought Dice had a 1% chance of being a wolf mathematically because last game had 1 wolf so if this game has 1 wolf what are the odds someone rands wolf twice?  Then people got into an argument about how math works and whether it has a place in the game. Included for posterity.

On 7/10/2022 at 11:04 PM, SinisterDeath said:

With VooDoo, he jumped on my hunch Dice is a Villager pretty fast. If Dice is a Wolf, VooDoo could have used my non-sus of Dice as a spring board to bandwagon on Dice not being wolf.

As for Hal, aside from LeeLuo, Clov is just pure speculation.

Here it's a hunch, and discussing something I don't follow.

On 7/10/2022 at 11:38 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Lmao, well there was a wagon!

 

Ahh, I thought I read a Hallia vote earlier. Musta been Leelou.

 

Between Dice and LeeLou, my gut says LeeLou.

 

Or third option, we lynch no one and see who gets night capped. 

Reiterating the earlier conversation notes, but he relaxed a lot after the self vote got pressure off him.  Really changed tonally there.  Multiple times he flat out said no to explaining reads, but that isn't in here because it isn't directly Dice related.