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  On 1/21/2017 at 9:51 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

Yes. We know that now. I was under the impression they were both scum, so that point doesn't mean much about the situation as it developed.

 

The fact alone your first thought going in was any claim = fake in a pinch is the problem.

 

What else should the Watcher have done if they were getting run up? The claim is their saving grace.

Posted

Vote count:

 

Verbal (1): MrsClov

 

Not voting (10): Darthe, Ironeyes, Dice, AJ, Nolder, Bopolis, Verbal, Lenlo, Niniel, Eldrick

 

 

 

EOD1 in: 

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Posted
  On 1/21/2017 at 9:58 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/21/2017 at 9:52 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

Please call her Niniel or Nini

 

She'll be fine.

 

Old habits die hard

 

 

this.  im forever having to change my posts because i automatically say tina lol

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  On 1/21/2017 at 10:08 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/21/2017 at 9:51 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

Yes. We know that now. I was under the impression they were both scum, so that point doesn't mean much about the situation as it developed.

 

 

The fact alone your first thought going in was any claim = fake in a pinch is the problem.

 

What else should the Watcher have done if they were getting run up? The claim is their saving grace.

I get your point. I shouldn't have went into the game with that mindset.

Posted
  On 1/21/2017 at 8:56 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/21/2017 at 8:52 AM, Nolder said:

And I'm caught up.

Where do you stand with everyone? The first lynch and NK are over.

 

I will give a list tomorrow.

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I don't hate this vote but beware tunneling in on someone because they are suspicious of you.

I speak from experience as this is something I wrestle with in almost every game I am town.

When someone, as you put it, throws shade my way it's hard not to think they are scum in most cases because you know you're town and sincere.

 

That said I'd like to see how Verbal responds to this.

 

@Nolder, I totally see what you are saying. I promise to keep myself in check.

Posted
  On 1/21/2017 at 12:07 AM, Andrej said:

 

Players:

2. MrsClov

3. Darthe

4. Bopolis

5. Niniel

6. Verbal

8. Dice

9. Eldrick 

10. Nolder

11. Lenlo 

12. Ironeyes

 

Commence.

 

1. AJ

3. Darthe

4. Bopolis

5. Niniel

6.Verbal

8.Dice

9.Eldrick

10.Nolder

11. Lenlo

12. Ironeyes

 

Roughly where I'm at as of right now

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eldrick, if you thought i was all for lynching darthe 100% if hallia flipped scum then you either misunderstood something i wrote or i put my thoughts into words poorly.

 

I thought it would look bad for darthe for level 1 reasons(which i explained) but that doesn't mean he is the automatic next lynch.

 

I still might even want to lynch him today depending on how my read on him is, the only thing i 100% know for sure is that there are four people i don't want to lynch at all and they are:

 

AJ

mrsClov

dice

nolder 

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maybe im just wrong on eldrick, why set up to CC as a wolf because it would be a 1-1 trade when wolves are already a woman down.

 

doesn't make sense

Posted
  On 1/18/2017 at 5:32 PM, Ironeyes said:

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 2:18 AM, bopolis said:

 

real talk: other than the 20 or so posts before I entered the thread this morning(or posts quoted inside them) i didn't read much before that and in the last 40 minutes everytime i sit down and go to look at them i instead find something else to do, so i've given up trying and decided to go for some real time interactions.

 

this is where i'm currently at(based on tone/impressions or a combination of the two):

 

villagy:

clov
 
leaning villagy:
aj
 
villagy but less confident than above
lenlo
verbal
dice
wifi
 
???:
ironeyes
hallia
darthe
niniel
 
stinkeye:
nolder
 
wolfy:
eldric
 
 
thoughts concerns comments

I agree with this for the most part. Of course if it were my own list I'd move myself to lock town, and I'd add Bop under "lean villagy." And I'd switch Wifi and Hallia. 

 

 

quoted because first mention of reading hallia as villagy.

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 5:55 PM, Ironeyes said:

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 5:44 PM, Andrej said:

@Marsh - why is Hallia a villager iyo?

 

Also can you explain the read on Eldrick?

Hallia is a gut read. I don't really have anything concrete for her yet 

 

Eldrick is my first choice to vote because I think he's casting shade in a lot of directions at once. It's a scum tell that I'm pretty sensitive to, and it's worked out well for me in the past--for instance on D1 I correctly scumread Clov in Demon's Cove and Snow in Tarmon Gaidon because they were casting shade at people and trying to set up future mislynches. I'll admit that after being challenged on it, Eldrick responded well enough by not jumping immediately to an easier target, but I'm still suspicious of him. 

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 5:43 PM, Niniel said:

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 5:21 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 5:04 PM, Niniel said:

I liked that Darthe´s post started this game right away. I think it will be useful to look back at this day when we have a death or two. I don´t have many thoughts right now. I like Eldrick and Lenlo best so far. Eldrick because he is open with his thoughts and doesn´t seem to care to look "correct". I didn´t like his vote on AJ but it felt "genuin". Lenlo has pointed out some things that I noticed as well.

What do you think of Nolder's latest posts?

 

 

Not much. I iso´d him and much of it is talking about people having the wrong meta reads on him. I didn´t vote for a meta reason though.

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 5:27 PM, Ironeyes said:

Heylo! Looks like a lot happened. I liked Bop's list for the most part, although I have to disagree with putting Wifi in the town section. She's null to me at best. 

 

Eldrick's response to our pressure was ok, but I still think I'll end up voting that way if nothing else major happens. 

 

I think there were two or three posts I saw in my catch up that I need to respond to... 

 

Why do you want to vote Eldrick? Maybe you have posted why earlier?

 

I thought I did but just for clarity's sake see above. 

 

 

quoted because it has reason for hallia read

  On 1/18/2017 at 7:58 PM, Ironeyes said:

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 7:27 PM, Andrej said:

Marsh is more null than anything for me

 

I think maybe it'd be a good exercise for everyone to make a list just to see what happens

If you want

 

1. Andrej

2. MrsClov

3. Darthe

4. Bopolis

5. Niniel

6. Verbal

7. Wildfire

8. Dice

9. Eldrick 

10. Nolder

11. Lenlo 

12. Ironeyes

13. Hallia

 

 

not sure why hallia is not crossed off since he was villa reading hallia. I make this a point of contention because earlier when he commented on my list he said hallia should be in the lower confidence villa section with lenlo/verbal/dice yet in his later list he only has lenlo's name crossed off and ironeyes never mentioned lenlo. I can't quite put into words why this pings me, but there is a certain dissonance that makes me uncomfortable.

 

  On 1/19/2017 at 5:47 PM, Ironeyes said:

I'm still not sure about this Hallia lynch, so in the interest of evening the trains just a little I'll [unvote] and vote Wifi

I will be in class for the deadline but it's a class where having my phone out isn't much of a problem. So I'll be here

 

I think this is a wolfy switch. There is no real reason for the switch other than to even out the trains and ironeyes never mentions wifi earlier other than to say she would be in the question mark portion of an early list I did. It's not like she read my case and felt compelled or thought wifi was being wolfy. It's just a switch to even the trains.

 

[v]ironeyes[/v]

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I´m finally caught up. Yay! 

 

My three mafia suspects are Verbal, Lenlo and Marsh. 

 

Verbal has been talked about. He voted Wifi when her train was as long as Hallias, although mentioning Hallia in the post above. I get what you mean about MrsClov now, AJ. You might be right. I don´t know about that. 

 

Lenlo, you say that you haven´t been fence sitting on Eld. My notes says that you started the game with liking him because he takes a stand. Then you agreed with AJ (after Eld voting AJ) that Eld jumped at anything. Then you listed him as mafia. Then you liked him reposting page 23. But after that you said that you don´t townread him for it. What are your thoughts on him now?

 

But the main reason for suspecting Lenlo is that he started with defending Hallia. Then he said that she is always like that but that he can´t read her. Later he said that he wouldn´t be against her lynch but didn´t vote her. 

 

Bop just posted the reasons for being suspicious of Marsh. He voted Wifi just "to even things up". And he later voted Eld instead to "make a stand".

 

 

I could vote anyone of them. I´ll go get some quotes that I wanted to comment on first. 

Posted
  On 1/20/2017 at 6:22 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

 

 

  On 1/20/2017 at 6:07 PM, Niniel said:

Verb: Not a good feeling. Two questions: About your vote on Wifi - how would that clear thoughts on Hallia and MrsClov? (#645). Why do you have a hunch that Marsh is town?

 

I don't have a hunch Marsh is town - you read that backwards.  I am sus because Marsh switched to Eldrick instead of Hallia.  I'll need to ISO Marsh tomorrow to be sure before pushing further.

 

 

I see that you changed your mind about Marsh after the lynch. I hadn´t read to that point. You didn´t answer my other question. How would your vote on Wifi clear thoughts on Hallia and MrsClov?

Posted
  On 1/21/2017 at 2:35 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/20/2017 at 6:32 AM, Niniel said:

That was a good lynch. :)

 

Verb, I wrote what I remembered at the time. No re-teading or time for one. Will do one during the night though. Again, from what I remember, I will take a closer look on Darthe (defended by Hallia), Marsh (refused to vote Hallia) and Bopolis. I don't have Bopolis as mafia but I would have had him clear town if Wifi was mafia.

Saying you don't have bop as mafia.. do you have Marsh and I as wolves?

 

I have you and Bop in the middle. Marsh is now one of my main suspects. 

Posted
  On 1/21/2017 at 2:11 PM, bopolis said:

eldrick, if you thought i was all for lynching darthe 100% if hallia flipped scum then you either misunderstood something i wrote or i put my thoughts into words poorly.

 

I thought it would look bad for darthe for level 1 reasons(which i explained) but that doesn't mean he is the automatic next lynch.

 

I still might even want to lynch him today depending on how my read on him is, the only thing i 100% know for sure is that there are four people i don't want to lynch at all and they are:

 

AJ

mrsClov

dice

nolder 

 

 

I see that Eld has changed his mind about Hallia defending Darthe = Darthe being mafia. Here it looks like you are changing your mind as well. Or are you? 

Posted

Hm... there were somethings more that I wanted to comment on but I forgot it. 

 

Anyway.

 

[v] Verb [/v]

 

 

I could change my vote to Marsh or Lenlo as well. The reason for choosing Verb is because MrsClov is voting him and I think she is more townie than Bop that is voting Marsh. 

Posted
  On 1/19/2017 at 1:59 PM, bopolis said:

I'm having concerns about darthe but mostly because he hasn't been around in a couple days and he felt more present in the first day of the lost game than he did here.

 

I'm concerned about nolder basing all of his reads around darthe.

 

I'm pretty sure we won't be hearing from hallia before EoD since the end of the day is at 5pm and she works during the day without internet access. 

 

I'd also like to hear more from ironeyes/verbal32/niniel.

 

AORN i think the lynch should be inside hallia/wifi.

 

#whereimat

  
  On 1/19/2017 at 11:29 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/19/2017 at 11:24 PM, bopolis said:

 

  On 1/19/2017 at 11:23 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/19/2017 at 11:21 PM, bopolis said:

what about darthe AJ?

What about Darthe
 

you reading him as a villager still?

 

does hallia's defense of him mean anything to you?

 

any other possible thoughts concerns about his alignment?

The general consensus today was Darthe was a villager for the game starter. You even went on a little rant about it. Hallia's defense can be seen either way depending on perspective. She made an easy Town read on him along with several others in what looks to me some buddying attempt.

I won't knock him for being gone. Yesterday was his birthday unless I'm mistaken about who it was that popped up on my Facebook feed

  
  On 1/19/2017 at 11:30 PM, bopolis said:

for what its worth, i agree WRT darthe,

 

though i'd feel better about it if he was around more

  
  On 1/21/2017 at 2:11 PM, bopolis said:

eldrick, if you thought i was all for lynching darthe 100% if hallia flipped scum then you either misunderstood something i wrote or i put my thoughts into words poorly.

 

I thought it would look bad for darthe for level 1 reasons(which i explained) but that doesn't mean he is the automatic next lynch.

 

I still might even want to lynch him today depending on how my read on him is, the only thing i 100% know for sure is that there are four people i don't want to lynch at all and they are:

 

AJ

mrsClov

dice

nolder

 

It's not about you not wanting to immediately lynch him. It's your unexplained 180 on him.

 

First post is a list of the people you are suspicious of. This is shortly after your comment about concerns for level 1 reasons. Concerns that you dropped once she did actually flip scum.

 

Second is AJ post that you are agreeing to. Posted for context.

 

There is nothing between the 2 that constitites a change of opinion.

 

Last one is what I'm responding to (obviously)

Posted
  On 1/19/2017 at 3:56 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

If hally dors indeed flip scum I'm sticking to darthe tomorrow unless something huge happens.

  
  On 1/19/2017 at 3:57 PM, bopolis said:

i agree about darthe being a concern if hallia does end up being scum for level 1 reasons

  
  On 1/19/2017 at 4:26 PM, bopolis said:

 

  On 1/19/2017 at 4:17 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/19/2017 at 3:57 PM, bopolis said:

i agree about darthe being a concern if hallia does end up being scum for level 1 reasons

 

 

What does this mean?

 

level 1 reason is the most basic reasoning for a read basically(some say level 0 but i start at 1)

 

so if someone flips wolf, people they are pushing look good and people they are defending look back on the first most basic level.

 

Then you take into account other things like their past history, what they have done previously(ie are they a busser) and how the people theyre interacting with are contributing and then you make a more informed read.

 

so hallia flipping wolf would look bad for darthe on the most basic level because of her defense of darthe

QFR

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