[Basic]What's the theme? - ad lib mafia

Nolder · January 21, 2017

On 1/20/2017 at 11:21 PM, Sooh said:

Host: "In the middle of the night the inhabitants of Gotham City rested in their beds, but..."

Wildfire: "Gotham City? I thought we were doing Overwatch. Ok, so it wasn't the best I've ever read, but..."

Host: "Do you want the results or not?"

Wildfire: "Ok yeah, sure. Go on."

Host: "As I was saying. In the middle of the night..."

Andrej: "You don't really know anything about DC comics either, do you?"

Host: "It's that obvious?"

Darthe: "Blatantly."

Host: "Well, that's what I chose, so I'm going to run with it."

Hallia: "Just keep going, will you?"

Everyone: "Sssshhh! You're dead!"

Host: "In the middle of the night the inhabitants of Gotham City rested in their beds, but the forces of evil never sleep. In a dark, dank basement somebody is hiding. Hiding because they are afraid for their life. Outside they are being watched by someone whose only mission is to counter these evil forces.

In a flash of blue and pink it happens, and as morning dawns upon the city once again a body is found."

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Wildfire has been killed. She was the Town Watcher.

Wildfire: "Seriously? That's the best you could come up with?"

Everyone: "SShhhhh!"

At this point, if he hasn't already, it is time for Darthe to explain himself fully.

I want to know what he hoped to accomplish by false claiming Watcher.

Nolder · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 12:21 AM, MrsClov said:

On 1/20/2017 at 6:30 PM, Verbal32 said:

On 1/19/2017 at 10:19 PM, Verbal32 said:

On 1/19/2017 at 8:20 PM, MrsClov said:

On 1/19/2017 at 8:18 PM, Nolder said:

On 1/19/2017 at 8:13 PM, MrsClov said:

On 1/19/2017 at 8:08 PM, Nolder said:
What is the case on Wilfire?

Someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but Bop noticed that she said this was her 14th game and she played as scum 3 times. He checked her sig and showed only 2 scum games listed, so he asked if this was her 3rd scum game. She responded by putting him in her null to scum pile. I believe some of the others are for posts that were not great as well.

So they think they caught a slip? Ok.

Yup.

I'd rather lynch Hallia, but I'm not opposed to a Wildfire lynch either. I haven't really been able to connect with her line of thought.

You keep saying this, and I keep frowning each time. I can't put my finger on it yet, but I'm noting it for future reference.

On 1/19/2017 at 8:47 PM, Andrej said:
So Dice and Verb are Town reads for being nice?

I can dig it!

On 1/19/2017 at 10:27 PM, Verbal32 said:

I think I need to lynch Wifi now to clear up my thoughts on Hallia & MrsClov. I am suss of Wifi anyway based on what bopolis noted, so.....

[v]Wifi[/v]

Ah ok, found it. I had a sense that 1 of Hallia/Wifi would be scum, but I was leaning Wifi based on what I've already said. I had some sus of Hallia, and was close to voting her, but then I quoted the above (from MrsClov).....like I said, her phrasing keeps making me frown and it weirded me out. A little fence-sitty, even though she said she preferred Hallia. Still a null-to-town feel on MrsClov from me, so I thought a lynch on Wifi would help clear my head on the subject.

I can't really explain it better than that - it popped into my head as I read and I commented on it. I reserve the right to re-evaluate, which I think will make MrsClov look a bit better, for now.

But those statements still make me go "hmm".

I'm trying to figure out if I'm flattered that you're using terms like "a bit better" and "null-to-town feel" to describe your thoughts on me, or not, implying that I could somehow be scum. I get that if you're town you have no idea to know what my alignment is, but things like that make me feel like you're scum still trying to throw shade my way somehow. I've never been considered a particularly strong player on either site I've played, and so if you're town and really truly think there's a possibility that I could bus Hallia when I voted her, well then thank you for thinking my game is that good, because I assure you it's not. But when I voted her, there was hardly any pressure on her. Dice was on her and while some people may have had some leaning towards her it wouldn't have made sense to bus her there and stay there when the wildfire counter wagon went down. I could have switched my vote to Wildfire, easily at any time for the mislynch and kept Hallia alive if I were scum. But I didn't. I continued to express that I would rather lynch Hallia, and why I wanted to lynch her and thought I was being pretty adamant on it. I get that not everyone is going to have me as lock town after Hallia's flip, but you're the only one, as far as I can tell, that's throwing shade my way. Which is why what AJ is saying about you trying to set me up as a mislynch makes sense to me. Maybe I'm paranoid and reading into too many hypotheticals, but I truly do not think you are town.

[v]Verbal[/v]

I don't hate this vote but beware tunneling in on someone because they are suspicious of you.

I speak from experience as this is something I wrestle with in almost every game I am town.

When someone, as you put it, throws shade my way it's hard not to think they are scum in most cases because you know you're town and sincere.

That said I'd like to see how Verbal responds to this.

Nolder · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 8:35 AM, Andrej said:
That's exactly the argument.

That might be an argument to make in isolation...but given he false claimed Watcher that's two black marks as opposed to just one.

But let's put that aside for just a moment.

Does anyone recall Hallia using buddying as mafia before?

If she has a history of it I would be slightly more willing to hear this argument.

Nolder · January 21, 2017

And I'm caught up.

Andrej · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 8:52 AM, Nolder said:
And I'm caught up.

Where do you stand with everyone? The first lynch and NK are over.

Eldrick4221 · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 12:14 AM, bopolis said:

On 1/20/2017 at 11:47 PM, MrsClov said:
Hrm. Well, there goes what I was hoping for down the drain. I was kind of hoping she wasn't the watcher and just claimed it to get out of the lynch as Vanilla that way the real watcher could still do their thing. Alas, it was not meant to be.

yeah,

i thought eldrick was gonna CC and was my reason for throttling back on him

I was trying to make it seem like I would so I could take the hit instead.

At least I was successful at convincing someone.

As for what I was going to say about Wiffy, which is obviously irrelevant now, I decided way at the beginning of the game that if someone tried to claim watcher to get out of a lynch I wasn't going to believe them. I didn't. She was scummy despite the claim, and I was going to push for her today.

Kinda glad scum took that potential mislynch away.

Andrej · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 8:51 AM, Nolder said:

On 1/21/2017 at 8:35 AM, Andrej said:
That's exactly the argument.
That might be an argument to make in isolation...but given he false claimed Watcher that's two black marks as opposed to just one.

But let's put that aside for just a moment.

Does anyone recall Hallia using buddying as mafia before?

If she has a history of it I would be slightly more willing to hear this argument.

I couldn't give you a history lesson on Hallia but I think it's reasonable to believe she tossed out some Town reads to get on people's good sides. She fell immediately into the consensus that Darthe's fake claim was fake and used for a discussion starter and Town read for it. She also lumped me and MrsClov, and Bop later, into Town reads without much explanation.

Andrej · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 8:57 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

On 1/21/2017 at 12:14 AM, bopolis said:

On 1/20/2017 at 11:47 PM, MrsClov said:
Hrm. Well, there goes what I was hoping for down the drain. I was kind of hoping she wasn't the watcher and just claimed it to get out of the lynch as Vanilla that way the real watcher could still do their thing. Alas, it was not meant to be.
yeah,

i thought eldrick was gonna CC and was my reason for throttling back on him

I was trying to make it seem like I would so I could take the hit instead.

At least I was successful at convincing someone.

As for what I was going to say about Wiffy, which is obviously irrelevant now, I decided way at the beginning of the game that if someone tried to claim watcher to get out of a lynch I wasn't going to believe them. I didn't. She was scummy despite the claim, and I was going to push for her today.

Kinda glad scum took that potential mislynch away.

That was a terrible mindset.

Eldrick4221 · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 8:51 AM, Nolder said:

On 1/21/2017 at 8:35 AM, Andrej said:
That's exactly the argument.
That might be an argument to make in isolation...but given he false claimed Watcher that's two black marks as opposed to just one.

But let's put that aside for just a moment.

Does anyone recall Hallia using buddying as mafia before?

If she has a history of it I would be slightly more willing to hear this argument.

Not caught up yet, but this feels like a great point to address something.

I've given my stance on Darth a lot of thought. The blatant defense of a scum mate that I have been accusing Hally of having done with Darthe isn't her style. I feel like I have been completely wrong here. That Darthe is actually town.

Which means I am back to square one as far as scum suspects are concerned.

Well...mostly.

I'm suss of bop because of his quick agreeing with me about how if Hally flips scum, Darthe is next. Especially since he has changed his view since. It didn't sit well that he was on board so quickly. At the time it felt like distancing. Now it feels like appreciating support for a mislynch.

Eldrick4221 · January 21, 2017

I'm not used to people agreeing with me, and it's a red flag when someone does. I am often wrong, so it's usually scum that tries to win me over.

Eldrick4221 · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 9:03 AM, Andrej said:

On 1/21/2017 at 8:57 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

On 1/21/2017 at 12:14 AM, bopolis said:

On 1/20/2017 at 11:47 PM, MrsClov said:
Hrm. Well, there goes what I was hoping for down the drain. I was kind of hoping she wasn't the watcher and just claimed it to get out of the lynch as Vanilla that way the real watcher could still do their thing. Alas, it was not meant to be.
yeah,

i thought eldrick was gonna CC and was my reason for throttling back on him

I was trying to make it seem like I would so I could take the hit instead.

At least I was successful at convincing someone.

As for what I was going to say about Wiffy, which is obviously irrelevant now, I decided way at the beginning of the game that if someone tried to claim watcher to get out of a lynch I wasn't going to believe them. I didn't. She was scummy despite the claim, and I was going to push for her today.

Kinda glad scum took that potential mislynch away.

That was a terrible mindset.

Which part?

Eldrick4221 · January 21, 2017

Apparently I was basically caught up :P

Eldrick4221 · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 8:47 AM, Nolder said:

On 1/21/2017 at 12:21 AM, MrsClov said:

On 1/20/2017 at 6:30 PM, Verbal32 said:

On 1/19/2017 at 10:19 PM, Verbal32 said:

On 1/19/2017 at 8:20 PM, MrsClov said:

On 1/19/2017 at 8:18 PM, Nolder said:

On 1/19/2017 at 8:13 PM, MrsClov said:

On 1/19/2017 at 8:08 PM, Nolder said:
What is the case on Wilfire?
Someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but Bop noticed that she said this was her 14th game and she played as scum 3 times. He checked her sig and showed only 2 scum games listed, so he asked if this was her 3rd scum game. She responded by putting him in her null to scum pile. I believe some of the others are for posts that were not great as well.

So they think they caught a slip? Ok.

Yup.

I'd rather lynch Hallia, but I'm not opposed to a Wildfire lynch either. I haven't really been able to connect with her line of thought.

You keep saying this, and I keep frowning each time. I can't put my finger on it yet, but I'm noting it for future reference.

On 1/19/2017 at 8:47 PM, Andrej said:
So Dice and Verb are Town reads for being nice?

I can dig it!

On 1/19/2017 at 10:27 PM, Verbal32 said:

I think I need to lynch Wifi now to clear up my thoughts on Hallia & MrsClov. I am suss of Wifi anyway based on what bopolis noted, so.....

[v]Wifi[/v]

Ah ok, found it. I had a sense that 1 of Hallia/Wifi would be scum, but I was leaning Wifi based on what I've already said. I had some sus of Hallia, and was close to voting her, but then I quoted the above (from MrsClov).....like I said, her phrasing keeps making me frown and it weirded me out. A little fence-sitty, even though she said she preferred Hallia. Still a null-to-town feel on MrsClov from me, so I thought a lynch on Wifi would help clear my head on the subject.

I can't really explain it better than that - it popped into my head as I read and I commented on it. I reserve the right to re-evaluate, which I think will make MrsClov look a bit better, for now.

But those statements still make me go "hmm".

I'm trying to figure out if I'm flattered that you're using terms like "a bit better" and "null-to-town feel" to describe your thoughts on me, or not, implying that I could somehow be scum. I get that if you're town you have no idea to know what my alignment is, but things like that make me feel like you're scum still trying to throw shade my way somehow. I've never been considered a particularly strong player on either site I've played, and so if you're town and really truly think there's a possibility that I could bus Hallia when I voted her, well then thank you for thinking my game is that good, because I assure you it's not. But when I voted her, there was hardly any pressure on her. Dice was on her and while some people may have had some leaning towards her it wouldn't have made sense to bus her there and stay there when the wildfire counter wagon went down. I could have switched my vote to Wildfire, easily at any time for the mislynch and kept Hallia alive if I were scum. But I didn't. I continued to express that I would rather lynch Hallia, and why I wanted to lynch her and thought I was being pretty adamant on it. I get that not everyone is going to have me as lock town after Hallia's flip, but you're the only one, as far as I can tell, that's throwing shade my way. Which is why what AJ is saying about you trying to set me up as a mislynch makes sense to me. Maybe I'm paranoid and reading into too many hypotheticals, but I truly do not think you are town.

[v]Verbal[/v]

I don't hate this vote but beware tunneling in on someone because they are suspicious of you.
I speak from experience as this is something I wrestle with in almost every game I am town.

When someone, as you put it, throws shade my way it's hard not to think they are scum in most cases because you know you're town and sincere.

That said I'd like to see how Verbal responds to this.

This.

Andrej · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 9:14 AM, Eldrick4221 said:
Which part?

Basically all of it. In a game with one PR, which essentially makes that player a named Townie, you would disbelieve them if they claimed in a bad situation? That's how PRs get lynched.

If you had been around yesterday at DL and said something along the lines of "I don't believe you" after Wifi claimed, some might have misconstrued that as a counter claim. And then what?

More importantly though, no one did counter claim. So you would just automatically assume the person who claimed because they were in trouble was lying?

Eldrick4221 · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 2:35 AM, Darthe said:

This is a pretty good thread to read. Lots of content, little filler.

-snip-

On 1/20/2017 at 9:47 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

TL;DR Hally's game has been redominantly about Darthe. She sussed those that were against him and attmpted to pocket those that were against the suss.

Darthe is still my target for tomorrow.

Not sure what my read on you is but I pretty well want you dead either way, mainly so you're out of my hair for whatever vendetta you've got. Dunno what I did dude but save it for after the game.

Agree with the first bit. I've been doing my part to keep filler down, and am really glad it has gone so well.

As for the second bit, it wasn't personal, and I don't know why you think it is.

I still think actions you have done this game are scummy. Trying to get us to discuss who is the watcher. Talking about one person (wiffy) while voting another (nolder) for no reason.

I think there were others I can't recall at this time, but it's irrelevant. I don't think Hally would have defended you so predominantly if you were scum, so I am slotting you as town despite the stuff you have done making me think otherwise.

Eldrick4221 · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 9:20 AM, Andrej said:

On 1/21/2017 at 9:14 AM, Eldrick4221 said:
Which part?

Basically all of it. In a game with one PR, which essentially makes that player a named Townie, you would disbelieve them if they claimed in a bad situation? That's how PRs get lynched.

If you had been around yesterday at DL and said something along the lines of "I don't believe you" after Wifi claimed, some might have misconstrued that as a counter claim. And then what?

More importantly though, no one did counter claim. So you would just automatically assume the person who claimed because they were in trouble was lying?

Yes. I expected scum to try and get out of a lynch by claiming the only PR. For basically that reason. That everyone would just accept it.

She was scummy before the claim. The claim didn't change my opinion of her. I don't feel bad about thinking that, cuz it was an expected scum ploy.

Niniel · January 21, 2017

Verb, I had only read up to the lynch. If you changed your mind about Marsh after thatI wouldn't know. I still haven't re-read the posts after the lynch but I think I will be fully caught up later today. I think I asked you a question that you didn't answer.

AJ, I have read your posts about Verb possibly setting up a lynch on MrsClov. I'm already suspicious of Verb but I don't understand what you are saying. Can you make one post where you explain it again?

Niniel · January 21, 2017

I think someone asked me a question but I will have to get back to that later today. Pleas don't post too much before that. :)

dicetosser1 · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 8:51 AM, Nolder said:

On 1/21/2017 at 8:35 AM, Andrej said:
That's exactly the argument.

That might be an argument to make in isolation...but given he false claimed Watcher that's two black marks as opposed to just one.

But let's put that aside for just a moment.

Does anyone recall Hallia using buddying as mafia before?

If she has a history of it I would be slightly more willing to hear this argument.

As scum hally buddies those she HAS to imo cory zander those she ALWAYS buddies more or less. She tends to distance from scum buddies i believe and this is playing into my thinking on darthe

Eldrick4221 · January 21, 2017

From what I can tell, AJ's stance on Verb is this:

Verb sussed MrsClov and Hally, and voted Wiffy. He felt that Verb was trying to set up one mislynch after another went through, by casting shade on MrsClov.

That after he was able to get Wiffy lynched instead of Hally, he would have a start to move on to MrsClov.

I see what he's getting at, and it's possibly what was going on.

Andrej · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 9:29 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

On 1/21/2017 at 9:20 AM, Andrej said:

On 1/21/2017 at 9:14 AM, Eldrick4221 said:
Which part?

Basically all of it. In a game with one PR, which essentially makes that player a named Townie, you would disbelieve them if they claimed in a bad situation? That's how PRs get lynched.

If you had been around yesterday at DL and said something along the lines of "I don't believe you" after Wifi claimed, some might have misconstrued that as a counter claim. And then what?

More importantly though, no one did counter claim. So you would just automatically assume the person who claimed because they were in trouble was lying?

Yes. I expected scum to try and get out of a lynch by claiming the only PR. For basically that reason. That everyone would just accept it.

She was scummy before the claim. The claim didn't change my opinion of her. I don't feel bad about thinking that, cuz it was an expected scum ploy.

Obviously scum would claim the only PR in that situation in the hopes of a counter claim to out the real one, but coming into the game thinking you were going to automatically disbelieve any such claims is just mind boggling to me. A claim without a CC in an open set up with only one PR is a saving grace. You'd seriously piss that way and lynch the only PR? I mean, look at the alternative in this situation: the counter wagon to the person who claimed the PR was scum. You could've potentially spoiled that by automatically thinking the person on the chopping block was lying.

Eldrick4221 · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 9:33 AM, Niniel said:
I think someone asked me a question but I will have to get back to that later today. Pleas don't post too much before that. :)

I don't remember you being asked a question /shrug

Andrej · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 9:45 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

From what I can tell, AJ's stance on Verb is this:

Verb sussed MrsClov and Hally, and voted Wiffy. He felt that Verb was trying to set up one mislynch after another went through, by casting shade on MrsClov.

That after he was able to get Wiffy lynched instead of Hally, he would have a start to move on to MrsClov.

I see what he's getting at, and it's possibly what was going on.

@Tina

This covers it more or less. Verb voted the counter wagon to confirmed scum while sussing MrsClov before that. Regardless of his alignment he didn't expect for Wifi to claim Watcher, so from a scum perspective he probably though Wifi would be the lynch, flip town, and then D2 he could start to go after MrsClov for the soft FOS he had cast right before voting Wifi.

Hopefully that makes more sense.

Eldrick4221 · January 21, 2017

On 1/21/2017 at 9:45 AM, Andrej said:

On 1/21/2017 at 9:29 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

On 1/21/2017 at 9:20 AM, Andrej said:

On 1/21/2017 at 9:14 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

Which part?

Basically all of it. In a game with one PR, which essentially makes that player a named Townie, you would disbelieve them if they claimed in a bad situation? That's how PRs get lynched.

If you had been around yesterday at DL and said something along the lines of "I don't believe you" after Wifi claimed, some might have misconstrued that as a counter claim. And then what?

More importantly though, no one did counter claim. So you would just automatically assume the person who claimed because they were in trouble was lying?

Yes. I expected scum to try and get out of a lynch by claiming the only PR. For basically that reason. That everyone would just accept it.

She was scummy before the claim. The claim didn't change my opinion of her. I don't feel bad about thinking that, cuz it was an expected scum ploy.

Obviously scum would claim the only PR in that situation in the hopes of a counter claim to out the real one, but coming into the game thinking you were going to automatically disbelieve any such claims is just mind boggling to me. A claim without a CC in an open set up with only one PR is a saving grace. You'd seriously piss that way and lynch the only PR? I mean, look at the alternative in this situation: the counter wagon to the person who claimed the PR was scum. You could've potentially spoiled that by automatically thinking the person on the chopping block was lying.

Yes. We know that now. I was under the impression they were both scum, so that point doesn't mean much about the situation as it developed.

Eldrick4221 · January 21, 2017

Please call her Niniel or Nini

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