Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

Calder · November 30, 2016

K I'm done with this for now, I wanna look in to calder, shad, that laya post, and cass some. Elseicjs just taking too much conversation and I'm not progressing for it.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. That is messed up to doubt me.

I am PC, Arizona State.

Sooh · November 30, 2016

Usually I find that Pral has a lot of good insight when he's town, so I'm quoting this for posterity (that is if anyone ever bothers to read my posts again).

Seriously though, Pral is SMART guys.

Thanks for the vote of confidence :wub:

(I hope you are not trying to pocket me, lol)
Maybe, but as long as the pocket sits on a townie I guess we're ok.
This post weirds me out and I have no idea why
I thought you were scum reading us. Should give you all the why you need.

Yeah you're a wolf. When does town sooh ever make this kind of leap? She simply doesnt, and you know all too well that a wolf read isnt equal to every post being wolfy.

P. much done responding in this game.

Shad_ · November 30, 2016

Got about an hour to do some catch up.

Zander? · November 30, 2016

*sigh*

I just got convinced that sock is town

Im not sure Im following the question

But if its what I think,Scum have to recruit the Traitor to get them.

The traitor knows who the Scum are already.

The post itself not including that because it was like 5 pages in and Eldrick was making connections from the joke phase.

That makes little to no sense to do as Town imo but it would to signal the Scum team.

I could be wrong but when you couple that with Sock's game play I dont think my theory is that far fetched,

traitors recruiting happens BEFORE game iirc

Quote

Mafia Goon

Abilities: You may communicate with your partner [Player A] here [QT link]. Additionally you will share a factional Night kill. Each Night you and your partner can select a player to murder, I will take your submission in the provided QT.

Win Condition: You win when you have killed all of the Town players or nothing can prevent this.

Quote

Mafia Traitor

Abilities: You are aware that [Player A] and [Player 2] are Mafia aligned. If you are not recruited you will be given a 1x BPV and will take over the factional NK in the event the main faction is wiped out. If you are recruited you will lose your BPV and become a Mafia Goon.

Win Condition: You win when the Mafia has killed all of the Town players or nothing can prevent this.

Ironeyes · November 30, 2016

Hmm. Eldrick isn't convincing me he's town, but I can't bring myself to conclude quite yet that he's scum, either. Combine that with me feeling better about Sooh, and that whole hydra is becoming null. I won't vote them quite yet but I'm not going to oppose their lynch either. In the mean time I'm going to vote NotBob because I got some nice pings from his argument with Eldrick a few pages back. I quoted the two posts that stuck out to me most here, but the whole thing gave me bad vibes.

You really don't have a grasp on the setup, do you Zander?

The 24 hours before the game started, between getting roles and game start. The time when the Mafia team was to decide which optional roles to add (including recruitment of the traitor), then 0-2 vanilla townies would obtain powers to balance.

The fact that you seem to think the mafia is still looking for the traitor actually makes me think you're town.

You're voting a townie? why?

I had him as town. I didn't know sooh's read on him.

I waited for her to come back, as she voted him in the first place.

We aren't voting him any more. We are voting you. Better?

Omgus votes still not hunting. but, whatevs.

See. My reason for having am issue with the cop question is he knows we are town, and doesn't want us cleared.

lulz ^^^ this guy.

Given everything, I think my vote is best spent putting pressure on one of the absentees, although I will consider a consolidation vote to avoid a random lynch (or to try and gain information from their flip) if it comes to that (and if we're lacking any form of consensus when deadline arrives), but in a game this intense I'd rather keep a few people around that have drawn suspicion than give a free pass to lurkers of that caliber.

vote Pralaya

Not such a hot idea there. I've helped lynch Pral day 1 before, partly because of his low activity, and it was a huge loss for town. Not only was he town, but he also happened to be the only one besides me that was correctly scum reading Chris (This was Demons Cove). And since I had already destroyed my own credibility with self-pres play, nobody believed me and Chris went on to win the game.

Ironeyes · November 30, 2016

Forgot the formatting. Vote NotBob

Zander? · November 30, 2016

cause of my instant reaction to it

i immediately saw sooh pinching the bridge of her nose rolling her eyes and muttering your name unbelievingly.

my head points out that it could be frustration that ure being sooo scummy ure outting your self but i have learned that if i have an instinctual reaction/answer follow it. if i dont im usually wrong

tbqh I could see Scum!Sooh doing the same things after some of those posts as well.

Zander? · November 30, 2016

What does it mean to you that NotBob seemingly forgot that Marsh is IC?

Nothing Town!Random iirc did this last game to me when i was IC.

Eldrick4221 · November 30, 2016

HACK THE PLANET

The setup:

9 Townies

2 Mafia Goons

1 Mafia Traitor

Mechanics:

Day start with role modifiers. All players will be randomized an alignment. The three Mafia-aligned players will then be randomized into two Goons and the Traitor. Pre-game, the two Goons will have 24 hours to deliberate and pick up to 2 of the following modifiers for their team:

1) Change a Mafia Goon into a Mafia Role Cop

2) Change a Mafia Goon into a Mafia JOAT (1x Ninja, 1x Strongman)*

3) Change a Mafia Goon into a Bulletproof Mafia Goon

4) Recruit Mafia Traitor to a Mafia Goon

* - Ninja & Strongman function as modifiers to the faction's Night Kill, they are not separate killing powers.

Once the modifiers are selected, they will be randomized amongst the Mafia faction. For each modifier chosen by the Mafia, Town will be granted an additional randomized power role to accompany the two pre-randed from the following (for a max of 4 Town PRs):

1) Cop

2) Roleblocker

3) Tracker

4) Bodyguard

5) Vigilante

6) Innocent Child

Quoted the wrong part

Zander? · November 30, 2016

At this point in the game, the only person I'm comfortable beginning a "town core" with is Marsh. I have town and scum leans on people, and I'll likely post an updated list a bit later, but certainly not ready to trust anyone as part of a core yet.

That being said, I do tend to gravitate towards people who stay active and keep things moving in ways that seem to benefit town / scumhunt. But that doesn't mean I trust anyone yet

Ugh...this guy...you have a town read on a guy with 2 posts...lol

Add randomh3r0 to those I'm willing to lynch.

I actually had a vague idea of where to look. Found it :P

you didnt think the lol may be a joke?!?!!?

Ironeyes · November 30, 2016

HACK THE PLANET

The setup:

9 Townies

2 Mafia Goons

1 Mafia Traitor

Mechanics:

Day start with role modifiers. All players will be randomized an alignment. The three Mafia-aligned players will then be randomized into two Goons and the Traitor. Pre-game, the two Goons will have 24 hours to deliberate and pick up to 2 of the following modifiers for their team:

1) Change a Mafia Goon into a Mafia Role Cop

2) Change a Mafia Goon into a Mafia JOAT (1x Ninja, 1x Strongman)*

3) Change a Mafia Goon into a Bulletproof Mafia Goon

4) Recruit Mafia Traitor to a Mafia Goon

* - Ninja & Strongman function as modifiers to the faction's Night Kill, they are not separate killing powers.

Once the modifiers are selected, they will be randomized amongst the Mafia faction. For each modifier chosen by the Mafia, Town will be granted an additional randomized power role to accompany the two pre-randed from the following (for a max of 4 Town PRs):

1) Cop

2) Roleblocker

3) Tracker

4) Bodyguard

5) Vigilante

6) Innocent Child

Quoted the wrong part

Anybody else notice that there can't be a GF in this game? Which completely invalidates that whole argument about Sock trying to draw the view intentionally.

Shad_ · November 30, 2016

I would really like to see a full reads list with reasoning.

Youve been posting but Im not feeling it from you yet.

No genuine frustration or confusion, Im not seeing those really strong questions/probes/comments yet that me go WOW never thought o fit like that.

And its a little worrisome.

I haven't been frustrated because I'm controlling my play time better and people aren't grilling me for stupid reasons. It's quite refreshing actually.

Cass is fine Dice is probably fine you've looked a lot better than you did in the first 24 hours. Darthe's apathetic which is annoying but typical for his town game. NotBob's been a lot more active than his last wolf game.

I stand by Sooh's tone being villagery but it's a lot harder for me to read her when she's being defensive and I hope to see scum hunting in the posts I've yet to read.

amega and Pral don't exist.

Felt like Random has been misrepping things and I'm curious how Calder responded to my question irt his Eldrick/Sooh reads.

Need to focus on reading more talking less.

Zander? · November 30, 2016

I'm on page 28 and I hate you all! Why so many posts omg!

Also I don't understand the animosity in the thread at that point. Seriously.

What struck you the most?

About the animosity? Not much tbh. Nothing of that really changed my view of either of those slots.

Looks like your objective here is not to take sides. Noted. Good luck with that strategy.

Again, poking and poking.

Feels like he's WISHING for either one of us or both to get mad and then accuse us of not hunting since we're busy defending from silly attacks that are designed to do just one thing, aggravate.

It feels kind of what I did my previous scum game with Zander, where I tunneled him and annoyed him and kept him on the defense all through D1 which eventually got him killed.

Kinda worried that the same thing is going on by the scum team to both my slot and Zander this game, since both seem to be perpetually defending against relentless arguments that don't stop despite having explained everything we can.

This is not a bad post imo.

Sooh · November 30, 2016

cause of my instant reaction to it

i immediately saw sooh pinching the bridge of her nose rolling her eyes and muttering your name unbelievingly.

my head points out that it could be frustration that ure being sooo scummy ure outting your self but i have learned that if i have an instinctual reaction/answer follow it. if i dont im usually wrong

tbqh I could see Scum!Sooh doing the same things after some of those posts as well.

Boy, what a surprise, Z. Glad you recognize town frustration when you see it.

Wait, no you don't,

Eldrick4221 · November 30, 2016

Anybody else notice that there can't be a GF in this game? Which completely invalidates that whole argument about Sock trying to draw the view intentionally.

We'll how bout that.

Cass · November 30, 2016

@Cass

I wasnt joking with my Zander question. Just played last game where he tunneled on Kat, who was town, with so many outted scum in thread. I expect him to tunnel. I dont agree that his tunnel will be thrown aside in the face of new evidence when he is town. I just saw it not be the case.

Ok

wording of your post strikes me as odd, but the logic of Zander's Town tunnels being hard to follow/see as Town makes sense.

It's effectively a question of how long and how obscurely he tunnels.

It's pretty much always long and maybe obscure if you're not ENFP/Zanderbraintwin but Scum Zander typically is more extreme in both aspects. So far imo.

Ironeyes · November 30, 2016

Anybody else notice that there can't be a GF in this game? Which completely invalidates that whole argument about Sock trying to draw the view intentionally.

We'll how bout that.

I can't decide if I think NotBob made an honest mistake in assuming there would be one, or if he faked ignorance of the setup to throw shade. I don't know him well enough to know if he'd make a calculated move like that.

Zander? · November 30, 2016

Umofficial Vote Count 1.125

Zander (2) - Dice, Random

Sock (3) - NotBob, Calder, Zander

Random (1) - Darthe

Amega (1) - Cass

NotBob (1) - Sock

Not voting: Marsh, Pralaya, Shad, Amega

7 to lynch

14 hours, 28 mins til deadline (link didn't copy)

[unvote][V] sock [/v]

I dont really like how this train is building...

[unvote]

Still time left before DL.

Eldrick4221 · November 30, 2016

I actually thought gf was on the possible list myself

Eldrick4221 · November 30, 2016

Gonna get some sleep now.

Cya.

Shad_ · November 30, 2016

The fact that you seem to think the mafia is still looking for the traitor actually makes me think you're town.

I don't follow this at all.

Game starts with a symp and Mafia choose whether they want to cash in on symp reveal/PRs for more roled towns, no?

Ironeyes · November 30, 2016

@Cass

I wasnt joking with my Zander question. Just played last game where he tunneled on Kat, who was town, with so many outted scum in thread. I expect him to tunnel. I dont agree that his tunnel will be thrown aside in the face of new evidence when he is town. I just saw it not be the case.

Ok

wording of your post strikes me as odd, but the logic of Zander's Town tunnels being hard to follow/see as Town makes sense.

It's effectively a question of how long and how obscurely he tunnels.

It's pretty much always long and maybe obscure if you're not ENFP/Zanderbraintwin but Scum Zander typically is more extreme in both aspects. So far imo.

I dunno, cause his tunnel last game was really insane, and he was confirmed town.

Eldrick4221 · November 30, 2016

Oh. Random

Yes we were given a QT for hydra use.

Ironeyes · November 30, 2016

The fact that you seem to think the mafia is still looking for the traitor actually makes me think you're town.

I don't follow this at all.

Game starts with a symp and Mafia choose whether they want to cash in on symp reveal/PRs for more roled towns, no?

If you read carefully, the mafia can only "cash in" on the traitor before day one starts. Zander was acting as if the traitor needed to signal the mafia ITT to be recruited, which can't happen. So the idea is if Z were mafia or the traitor, he'd already know that can't happen any more.

Eldrick4221 · November 30, 2016

The fact that you seem to think the mafia is still looking for the traitor actually makes me think you're town.
I don't follow this at all.

Game starts with a symp and Mafia choose whether they want to cash in on symp reveal/PRs for more roled towns, no?

Yes.

And he seemed to think that the Mafia was still looking for their recruit.

Which said to me that he wasn't aware of how the mechanic worked, which he would be if he was scum.

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