Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[BFG]

Dice can you talk about Pral?

[BFG]

Pral ISO

 

 

 

Struggling with the pace of the game early on is null in a game this size

 

Manbat, Nyn, Zander townie early. Eldrick twtbaw. NB, Darthe, Dice null/normal for D1. Shad is odd "just looks like drifting through the game. His posts seem too passive and he is commenting on general stuff..." - nothing stands out as stuff he wouldn't say, Shad read looks good

 

Says he'll case Shad if [Prals] alive once caught up

 

(start Day 2) Thinks Calder looked town following stance on NB EoD1, thinks Shad looked scummy. Wants to look at Darthe/Zander

 

 

If youre Town were gonna have a talk post game about what bad Town is.

 

Youve got what like 2 votes on you like 8 hours before DL!?!?!?!?

 

No I dont believe that Town!Anyone really does this but to further my suss please notice the BOLD:

 

Why would you ever assume youd be alive D2?!?!?!!?

 

This outburst was what made me suspect Zander in the first place. yeah, random claiming early in D1 was not a good play. It could have been entirely avoided. But, the kind of outburst coming from you looks fake. Look at the reaction from Calder, sooh - it was more of surprise than anger. Anger is something that can easily be faked by scum to show that they are townie and I felt that was what was happening here

 

If you had him as town previously why would you read this and assume that it's faked to look town instead of just town?

 

 

 

In fact, you harping on the entire "Pral likes to bus" narrative just confirms my read that you are scum. The town Zander I know would mention it but not make a whole case on that. You have been saying that right from D1 when I called out Shad as scum. And, this was around the point when random claimed and you were looking for an alternative. That was the scond reason why I started suspecting you.

 

(As an aside, Sooh would know - I do tend to bus as scum but I am more careful as scum when people who know that are around. Like in the PoTC game, I was not busing until Zander was dead. I even explicitly told it to Sooh who was my scummate there)

And this reads a lot like what you're saying above, start with an assumption and then fit the facts, yet Zander makes connections as standard, why is this scummy of him now when you didn't have an issue with his Sock/Random/Nyce read?

 

Accuses Zander of having half the thread as suspects, yet today seemingly has half the thread as suspects (assuming Cass is a suspect, since you haven't answered otherwise)

 

Zander nudges

 

Thinks Zander > Amega > Darthe - why Amega? Darthe just POE, yet earlier was one of his two most likely suspects, find it odd that his read on Zander went from town to mafia, when Zander became more town with the game

 

Explains Cass read (to multiple people) doesn't think Cass would press the cop if mafia, doesn't think Manbat would react that way if mafia

 

 

Caught up long ago, but no updated list (till asked) - prodding Zander as suspect so not necessarily bothered by the delay

 

Most recent list seems to have Darthe/Sooh as town, Cass or Zander, one of me/Zander/Dice? Still not sure who his suspected team is other than me

 

Talks about trains - null

 

 

 

Why was Darthe one of your two suspects with Zander when later on you say you don't remember much from him and he's just there because POE. Why was Amega scummy and not just POE, why missing from your previous list?

 

 

TLDR I don't follow his read on Zander, I don't understand his changing read on Darthe, or his read on Amega. As hydra I could follow him pretty easily last game, and am a little concerned this isn't the case now. Don't think this is just OMGUS

 

Pral

[Sooh]

 

BFG, if there's a deepwolf in your town, who is it and why?

If there is a deepwolf? There is definitely a deepwolf. And, I have been going with that assumption during my reads.

 

What's the basis for this comment? Are you using BFG's town and scum reads and telling her there aren't two scums in her bottom 3?

[BFG]

 

 

BFG, if there's a deepwolf in your town, who is it and why?

If there is a deepwolf? There is definitely a deepwolf. And, I have been going with that assumption during my reads.

 

What's the basis for this comment? Are you using BFG's town and scum reads and telling her there aren't two scums in her bottom 3?

 

And why is your focus on a deep wolf instead of just a wolf?

[BFG]

^@Pral

[Zander?]

Because she assums zander as town and her every post is in that same tone. I haven't seen BFG that fixed on any read

 

Id agree with this a lot more tbqh if it wasnt d3.

 

but still interesting.

[Zander?]

If BFG is scum, zander is town

 

why?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

This is tricky to answer:

It's not supposed to be easy. It's supposed to make you think considering the gravity of being wrong. It's easy to mislynch when you are sure the person is scum. It's designed to put the blinders aside from who you are stuck on as being scum and consider them as town.

 

FTFM lol

 

Fair

 

At the moment I would need a very good reason to reconsider you/Sooh/Zander

 

So if Cass flipped town I'd be looking at Pral/Dice, if Darthe flipped town then I'd be looking at Pral (Cass/Dice never m/m)

 

But I'm conscious of the fact that I'm still lacking context for a majority of the game and am worried that I'm missing something crucial in the missing stuff :/

 

 

Agree comepletely

[Zander?]

@Cass either Shad's clearing a teammate or he's defending town, I can see Shad doing either, in many ways he's a tactical player

 

Why are you ignoring everyone's questions to you except Zanders?

 

Shes ignored some of mine too.

[BFG]

Manbat ISO

 

 

 

Town reads of Eldrick (special powers/outpaced any mafia game he's seen him in)/Sooh (not tried to pocket him)/Zander/Calder (not wolfy yet)/Shad (has some fire) - only read that's hedged is Shad

 

Light tone

 

Nyn feels nervous/pocket, will lynch her is she doesn't work with core and not feel bad

 

NB could be anything

 

Votes Random for shading, unvotes as villagery

 

Explains town read on Shad as he's being reasonable - apparently they played off site a fair bit, so would have thought that Manbat would know that Shad is reasonable as mafia

 

Good feelings on Zander/Calder based on interactions

 

 

 

Null still

 

Not enough WIM to clear as town, and emotion seemed subdued

[BFG]

^I don't hate that Manbat was giving early reads, I find it odd that Shad was hedged and none of the others were

[Zander?]

Cass seems scummiest to me at the moment - she's focusing on changing Zanders read and ignoring most other questions. It reminds me a lot of how I treated Cory and/or Chris at different points in Spirited Away. I'm like 80% sure that it was Cass that was valuing Random's attempt of communication, so it seems 'odd' that she is so unconcerned with it. She seems to have contradicted herself in her Zander read (when she entered he was flat, now she values his enthusiasm and she hasn't explained the difference yet). She's been asking a lot of questions, but offering little opinion, I don't see the outcome of all the questions she's asked (desperately need to ISO). But, little things, I vaguely remember a conversation with Cory about Cass's occasional inability to make a decision and move on, but she's had suspects or at least a POE, I just don't recall reasons for them at the time.

 

Manbats entrance wasn't enough for me to town read him straight from it, his emotional posting seemed subdued

 

PLEASE BE A VILLAGER

 

PLEASE BE A VILLAGER

 

PLEASE BE A VILLAGER

[Zander?]

 

 

@Sooh whose the most likely lynch today iyo?

Idk. I'm on board with your POE, but like I said, Pral's push is strange, so maybe resolve that first? Ofc, if he's NOT flipping mafia here, I'd have to reevaluate you.

 

Pral's assumption is wrong though the observation is valid, but I don't know if it's an unreasonable one for him to make. I have nothing that separates his ranges. I thought his Shad observation (but Pral can make good observations as mafia) was valid and thought the lack of vote was a good look, but I don't have anything more to clear him on and that's an issue on Day 3

 

 

Why was the lack of vote on Shad a good look for Pral?!?!!?!?!

[Zander?]

Darthe is a conundrum every this game

 

His push on Sooh reads a lot like cheerleading, I can't logically disagree with his points, I just don't think it matters regards Eldrick, nor do I think Sooh has played safe this game. He's more involved than his recent town games, although I really don't want to scum read someone for being involved

 

I think he town read Shad early and easily? (but can't be sure I'm not mixing him up with someone else)

 

I can't clear him this game, but that may be a me thing

 

Hes cheerleadered as Town before.

[Zander?]

Two more questions:

 

1. What do you think about the idea of a no lynch in F6, thus limiting the pool a little?

 

2. Will you be going back and reading even more when I stop asking silly questions?

 

I hate no lynch but maybe poss.

 

Wanna see the flip from today and NK before deciding that.

[BFG]

^because I thought Pral would have bussed Shad if m/m after that read or given a different read, I no longer agree with that thought though

 

Also <333

[BFG]

Cass has to much too summarise, just going to read through and guve opinions at the end

[BFG]

I am intending to end Day about 24.5 hours from now. If I find that I won't have time leading up to it (dinners and what not) I may push it further out to Monday morning. I will try to give plenty of advance notice either way. For now work under the assumption DL is tomorrow night.

Deadline in about 6 hours?

[Cass]

Its interesting tho Cass you never brought that up till Darthe mentioned it.

 

 

Where did Darthe mention this?

 

 

I think you should factor in what he said about Monter imo

 

Is it? Have you looked at Shad's ISO with the perspective of 'who is he setting up here'? I find it hard to believe you read his ISO and didn't come up with the same pings I did.

 

I think this could be Town Zander with blinkers coming back at me instead of actually thinking about the question in context/considering you might be wrong, but the sus he keeps throwing my way without reconsidering anything to do with me, at any point is bad and pinging and something he'd use to his advantage beyond reason if scum.

 

 

Your question a) can't be properly answered if excluding him answering questions, and b) is excluding part of the first reason I suss you.

 

You are completely overlooking the 2 times he promoted the town reads on both of us. What THOSE said to me is more important imo.

 

Because he was giving confident town reads so early in the game, it felt like there was scum he was trying to distance from. No scum ever expects to be lynched, and the game plan is usually to slot a teammate at a Town read right off the bat. That's what it looks like he's doing with you. He town read manbat as well. Like super early in the game.

 

Pros - Eldrick considers and provides an answer and an opportunity to talk. Cons - it's all twisted with a bias against me.

 

"No scum ever expects to be lynched" is a load of bollocks, and  you're 100% wrong on the bold when it comes to players like Shad. I understand scum generally put a proportion of teammates in Town at the start to avoid having to vote them D1, but generally the players they never doubt are Town being pocketed and set up.

 

I agree with the underlined but I don't see how that applies to me, considering he never distanced from me at all.

 

Those posts you reference pinged like crazy to me too. To me they said he was likely hedging his bets, putting a partner he shows some deliberation (ie, distanced from) on in with a Towny he never doubts. That way, he can call his partner Town but back off/Bus if needed, and throw enough suspicion on a Towny after his flip wolf because he 'hadn't doubted me'/treated me different to other players.

 

There is also the possibility that he did this to two Townies just for WIFOM's sake. The fact that he picked two players he's notoriously good at reading (Sooh, I) to put against each other is a thing. I think the fact he gave himself wriggle room on you guys but not me is a thing (hence my I hate you Shad <3 post).

 

Town reading Monstr at that point in the game has the benefit of being seen to be 'going against the grain'. 

 

 

 

because they are good fairly non committal ways to give someone a town lean. easy to flip on if their town easy to make if their ure scum buddy without being tied to it in bands of steel

 

I was going to respond to Cass' post, but I think Dice nails it here.

 

 

I agree with the start but don't understand how the bold works. @Both of you, how is a 'definitely Town' type read easy to flip on?

 

@Dice, how many times did I use this exact play as scum with Town!you? "Dice is definitely Town!Dice!" You also know that it's a thing.

 

 

 

@Cass either Shad's clearing a teammate or he's defending town, I can see Shad doing either, in many ways he's a tactical player

 

Why are you ignoring everyone's questions to you except Zanders?

 

^ to the bold.

I am not caught up/confident in much right now, and not answering other people much isn't intentional, it's more that I know if Z's a wolf, the extent of his push on me and refusal to look elsewhere/broader could be telling for the rest of you when I flip. 

[Eldrick4221]

That is actually a really good point, cass. I will go over shad today and see if it feels like he was distancing or not.

[Eldrick4221]

The concept of him putting 2 people he can read easily as his town reads also makes sense.

 

The point that Zander made about that removing them from potential ml bugs me.

[BFG]

Cass, why did you say that Zander was flat while catching up, yet say you liked his energy in a recent post (in which you also talked about Shad so early game)?

[Eldrick4221]

In that it doesn't make sense for him to do that.

[dicetosser1]

<3 Dice (I think you're the only player that fears me when scum though )

 

What's your read on me?

 

i like the questions ure asking. sounds like town solvey bfg to me. youre isoing away. tho you arnt coming up with firm thoughts out of them. wish you were here more.  town lean is about as far as i will go atm

 

Dice can you talk about Pral?

 

Has barely been here. i dont really remember a lot of what he has said and i cant get rid of the feeling that i should be voting him but as he didnt say what i thought he did i have no reason for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

ok this is from CASS but i messed it up

 

 

 

because they are good fairly non committal ways to give someone a town lean. easy to flip on if their town easy to make if their ure scum buddy without being tied to it in bands of steel

 

I was going to respond to Cass' post, but I think Dice nails it here.

 

 

I agree with the start but don't understand how the bold works. @Both of you, how is a 'definitely Town' type read easy to flip on?

 

@Dice, how many times did I use this exact play as scum with Town!you? "Dice is definitely Town!Dice!" You also know that it's a thing.

 

 

I DO know its a thing but you and I are not Shad. Hes trickier then we are. As for how to get away from it??  a post like "i liked when cass was doing this and this  but now shes doing  x  which i dont like and is making me reevaluate

 

flip done

[Eldrick4221]

Dice. Can you try to explain what you thought you saw with Pral before I quoted the post?