[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[monstrman]

Sooh said that too, so did darthe

 

So far I have yet to see any of you lynch me as a villager, let alone even see how you react to my wolf game because I'm fairly certain most of you have almost never if not have never seen it

[monstrman]

I mean honestly though I your reply is just "everyone on my wagon is scum" zander, I really have no choice but to just outright lynch you and not care

[monstrman]

Zander I need you to somehow confirm or condemn yourself to me in one post

So can you please do me a huge favor and just make one list of your current reads of the thread on everyone all at once?

Ily bro I don't want to lynch you if you're not a wolf

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[monstrman]

Also darthe I still feel like you haven't been as loud as you usually are as a villager

[monstrman]

Maybe that's me

 

I'll reread the thread tonight and see

[Zander?]

And I chose zander over tiink partly because this isn't zander's best showing if he's a villager and partly because I think calder is likely to be a villager so I wanted to see where his read went

 

Tink I've already cooled on anyway and kinda don't really think he's a wolf

 

Can you elaborate on why please?

 

 

1. If zander is a villager I'm having a hard time ranking which of calder/darthe/Sooh I would think is most likely to be a wolf trying to lynch him
2. Calder I've never seen as a wolf go out of his way to try to get some random villager lynched but I think I've only seen a few of his games.
3. Darthe has a few posts that seem like they could be pocketing me but he also has like one of the highest thread presences in the game
4. Sooh has very villagery tone but voted zander in a spot where, if he is a villager, looks a little bit shady just because of (and if I'm remembering it sorry) the way she seemed to say "f it" and vote zander
5. I don't think it's possible for calder and Sooh to be on a scum team because of the way calder is approaching soon, but aside from that I don't think I can rule out multiple wolves on the wagon. It is also possible they are villagers so yeah
6. If zander is a wolf I think calder has a point that it's likely Sooh is the only person bussing him, but I think it's more likely that wolves are simply calling him a villager and avoiding his wagon in this case

 

1.  I am a Villager.  I feel like Sooh should know me the best but as Ive been going along i think back to the game where sussed me for something that made no sense to me and we were both Villas then i ML'd her replacement for it.  Tho admittedly Sooh was sick that game.
2. This is not an ego thing here but am I really some random villager?  I just mean like Im pretty intense as Town and I if I think I get on to something, Ive been told I can be pretty relentless and if Im correct and sussing a Wolf it tends to draw a lot of attention to them.  Im also very vocal and can usually get myself close to clear pretty quickly when I start feeling it.  I dont have that hard of a time imagining Scum any of them saying "Well Zander's not been really active here's an opportunity to get him ml'd."
3. FDLFMD imo
4. In Sooh's defense she did throw some shade or if Town suss at me early on.
5. Can you show me where you dont think Sooh and Calder can be w/w based on his approach to Sooh?
6. Why is Sooh the most likely to Buss of the 3 iyo?

[monstrman]

I feel like Nego might be a wolf because I feel like aso a villager he'd be doing more here considering how he was last time we played together

[Nolder]

Nolder's analysis post is sooo bad it almost gave me cancer. I dont care that he doesnt like me. But, in what world would he say that in the same post as he copies weak stances on people that mirror many of my early positions, except without any substance in his case or push.

 

It was such a cowardly post. Yet also judgey. Scum to the extreme.

Can you point me to where you've said the same things I've said?

My thoughts are my own. If we agree that's cool but it sounds like you're BSing to me.

[Zander?]

I believe he's saying "a wolf flip of zander clears Tiink because of zander's defense of tiink"

 

If you dont think I have as Scum!Zander hard defend and straight Town read a Scummate....read Matrix imo

 

I LOVE YOU CORY GOATen!!!!!!!!

 

<3 <3 <3

[monstrman]

 

And I chose zander over tiink partly because this isn't zander's best showing if he's a villager and partly because I think calder is likely to be a villager so I wanted to see where his read went

Tink I've already cooled on anyway and kinda don't really think he's a wolf

 

 

Can you elaborate on why please?

 

 

 

• If zander is a villager I'm having a hard time ranking which of calder/darthe/Sooh I would think is most likely to be a wolf trying to lynch him
• Calder I've never seen as a wolf go out of his way to try to get some random villager lynched but I think I've only seen a few of his games.
• Darthe has a few posts that seem like they could be pocketing me but he also has like one of the highest thread presences in the game
• Sooh has very villagery tone but voted zander in a spot where, if he is a villager, looks a little bit shady just because of (and if I'm remembering it sorry) the way she seemed to say "f it" and vote zander
• I don't think it's possible for calder and Sooh to be on a scum team because of the way calder is approaching soon, but aside from that I don't think I can rule out multiple wolves on the wagon. It is also possible they are villagers so yeah
• If zander is a wolf I think calder has a point that it's likely Sooh is the only person bussing him, but I think it's more likely that wolves are simply calling him a villager and avoiding his wagon in this case

 

•  I am a Villager.  I feel like Sooh should know me the best but as Ive been going along i think back to the game where sussed me for something that made no sense to me and we were both Villas then i ML'd her replacement for it.  Tho admittedly Sooh was sick that game.
• This is not an ego thing here but am I really some random villager?  I just mean like Im pretty intense as Town and I if I think I get on to something, Ive been told I can be pretty relentless and if Im correct and sussing a Wolf it tends to draw a lot of attention to them.  Im also very vocal and can usually get myself close to clear pretty quickly when I start feeling it.  I dont have that hard of a time imagining Scum any of them saying "Well Zander's not been really active here's an opportunity to get him ml'd."
• FDLFMD imo
• In Sooh's defense she did throw some shade or if Town suss at me early on.
• Can you show me where you dont think Sooh and Calder can be w/w based on his approach to Sooh?
• Why is Sooh the most likely to Buss of the 3 iyo?

1. Noted

 

2. To a wolf, every player is just some random villager unless they pose a direct threat to that wolf's safety

 

I mean, if anything you being zander reinforces the point that calder going out of his way to push you seems uncharacteristically bold from him from my perspective

 

3. ??? ??? ???

 

4. Also noted

 

5. No because I'm on phone but since I have a near perfect thread memory I can basically say it went along the lines of calder saying "wow Sooh is tied to zander and also a wolf she's the deepwolf that you all are town reading" and I mean, I dunno at the time it seemed like it would be unlikely for calder to outright say something like that as a wolf about his wolfbro, but I mean I guess it's possible? I still don't think it's likely because I don't see calder, despite the joking kind of nature he has, going to that extreme when he could simply clear Sooh as well and ensure they were both out of danger

 

Who knows for sure

 

6. Sooh is the most likely bus of the three because you are most notably bussing her back, so logically it would make the most sense since from the perspective of the wolves that would accomplish the most distancing. The way calder is approaching you seems less indicative of a bus and more indicative of a wolf railroading a villager or as I see it a very confident villager. Darthe just voted you and said "i'm right he's a wolf" so it's a possible bus but begs the question "why bus so half heartedly?" Because it seems too obvious

[Nolder]

 

 

I cant imagine a world where anyone except Zander or Nolder gets lynched today.

I barely have anything on Nolder but his pop-ins are shady.

 

Zander is not on my wtl today.

Nolder's pop-in analysis post was the fakest looking catch up assessment of a game I have ever seen.

 

I think it's funny I wasn't on your radar until I spoke out against you.

 

Worried?

[Nolder]

 

 

 

apparently talking to a bunch of walls

 

dunno why zander hasn't been here all day

It's a bit weird, yeah. I feel like he had some odd, almost opportunistic posts yesterday, jumping at Besie and then Believer for little things that to me seemed insignificant.

That was my original point on him. His reasoning for thinking people were scum felt contrived. Like he saw the post and thought it was good enough to base a fake read off of. I dont think it was real Zander hunting.

 

 

Announcer- "Lets play everyones favorite game show....... ARE YOU A WOLF!!!!

 

And herrrrrrrrrrre's your host with the most the majestically bearded......Zander!!!!!!!!!

 

Zander- " Thank you thank you!!!  Lets get this underway....lets meet our contestants.

 

First up...the lovely, smart, beautiful yet always Wolfy AF Sooh!!!!!!

 

*thunderous applause*

 

And her opponent.....the sexy Scum claiming beast Calder who is also known as Nighthawk.

 

*thunderous applause*

 

Lets get started shall we?!?!!?!?!?!

 

Questions:

 

Q1- Is Zander a Meta player?

 

If Yes- Think hard and proceed to the next question.

 

If No- Youre a Wolf and thank you for playing.

 

Q2- Since Zander is a Meta player, if people are playing differently from their normally Meta should Zander be concerned by i?

 

If Yes- You got there but are still a little Wolfy because you know this about me.  Sooh moreso imo because she knows me better.

 

If No-  Youre still a Wolf and thank you for playing.

 

Well as always folks we have most likely found at least one Wolf folks!!!

 

Thank you so much to the contestants for making Wolfy pushes that make no sense and remember folks....

 

"ALWAYS HAVE YOUR WOLVES SPAYED OR NEUTERED "

 

*LAUGH SIGN FLASHES*

 

*live studio audience laughs*

 

 

Ok on Page 25, trying to catch up ASAP.

 

My thoughts at the moment are that I could lynch either Besie for WhyMeFryMe type posts or Calder for his usual word vomiting on the thread.

Also I noticed Zander seems to be buddying Believer. I know I'm 10 pages behind but that kind of bothered me.

Gotta take a break for right now hopefully you guys don't post too much while I'm away.

 

 

 

Nol how does your zander read influence your thoughts on believer?

Town or Mafia can buddy, even unintentionally so it's kind of null although I will be watching both of them more closely because of it.

You'll notice I didn't suggest we lynch Zander.

 

 

I would have sussed you for that comment if you didnt post the latter.

 

I don't lynch villagers.

 

That's predicated on them actually villaging though Zander.

You need to spend some more time on this game.

IDK if you're just really invested in the other one or what but you got to start splitting the time better.

[Nolder]

 

Nolder am I Town iyo?

 

 

I haven't made up my mind yet.

 

What do you think of Believer currently?

[dicetosser1]

 

Tbh z votes aren't bad as his heart isn't in it and he is doing that thing where he focuses on one piece of a post and neglects the rest.

 

That said, thoughts on dice and monstr would be good to see.

I have Monstr in my town pile. Dice is a huge questionmark for me though. I go back and forth.

 

My heart says 1 of Dice/Nego are scum. Just feels for now.

 

 

so nego then.

 

Ok so I'm finally caught up.

I don't know what that whole thing with Monstr was.

I've played with him before a few times and I don't remember him snapping like that.

That isn't to say it can't be some kind of gambit or whatever just saying it's not the normal monstr that I'm used to, if I can even claim to know what normal monstr is after only a couple games.

 

I'd say Besies tone has improved and makes me less leery of the why me freak out but I'd still probably lynch her.

 

Calder continues to be useless like every game would also lynch him.

 

Zanders muted behavior is also very odd but maybe he's very invested in BFGs game right now idk.

Would like to see more of him regardless.

Not asking for full blown Zander, just more.

 

Those are all the thoughts I have offhand.

I think I need to talk to Dice and Nego because I did not get a good read on them while catching up.

 

im here if you are

 

 

He may well die, let's not make it a challenge.

 

Thoughts on nol?

Nothing that comes to mind. Point me to the things you want me to look more closely at and I will.

 

 

why cant you look for yourself? Nol hasnt exactly been super active so you dont have to read much

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

this post sux.  theres no real thought here.  sooh is town cause she made him play??  but im scum for wanting the same thing?? Zanders town just for existing??  wha??

 

 

I dont understand why this is on the form of a question????

 

 

cause it makes no sense. theres no reason. its just cause ure u.

 

 

 

reads

 

Town

 

not lynching

 

Monster 

Sooh

 

 

then besie and darthe    im kinda liking darthes play at the moment.  really liked his post 642  at me.  great tone

 

those not mentioned i dont have a strong opinion on

 

scum

 

believer

 

tink

Whats your read on me Dice?

 

 

 

im giving you today cause i know ure massively invested in the other game but ure currently off normal town zander

 

 

 

 

 

 

why so sure on calder?

 

so far he is his usual self which means i have no idea on him

Really? Calders just getting cozy, but wolf calder has a hard time doing so last I knew.

 

 

 

 

 

why so sure on calder?

 

so far he is his usual self which means i have no idea on him

Really? Calders just getting cozy, but wolf calder has a hard time doing so last I knew.

 

 

i just sux at reading him. i agree he seems to be getting cozy   thats a good way to put it

 

 

Was he awkward or uncozy in Dragon Reborn in your guys opinion?

 

 

i dont remember. this is the sum of my calder knowledge    he claims scum as both alignments   so much so i cant even insta vote him for it. i have a hard time understanding his posts quite often. i get him wrong a lot.

 

thats it

 

 

 

 

id like to focus on believer or tink rather then zander at this point.

 

calder may have a point tho about a Tink lynch gaining traction

 

 

peoples thoughts on believer and tinker?   and yes  i know their prob scattered thru the thread. Would be nice tho to have someing concise in one place

 

Legit but why them over me?

 

 

for me it is a gut thing. That back off of zander stinks. His over sensitivity to my suggestion that he be lynched is all wrong. Im not even voting him, threw it out as just a couple of lines but have really been focused on Believer, not tink.

 

Did Tink or anyone not like mention a joke or something?

 

Once Im caught up I need to go back through this and see whats up.

 

 

 

 

no there was no joke mentioned. he was serious.

 

already answered why not you today

 

 

 

Nolder's analysis post is sooo bad it almost gave me cancer. I dont care that he doesnt like me. But, in what world would he say that in the same post as he copies weak stances on people that mirror many of my early positions, except without any substance in his case or push.

 

It was such a cowardly post. Yet also judgey. Scum to the extreme.

Can you point me to where you've said the same things I've said?

My thoughts are my own. If we agree that's cool but it sounds like you're BSing to me.

 

 

 

you seem to be here  i seem to be here.

 

whassup??

[Nolder]

 

I just had a thought.

 

Zander loves being town and his WIM is always high when he is. This is universally known, right?

So even if we know that he's been in another game, and focusing his attention there, wouldn't he have given just as much attention here - had he been town?

Surely he would have wanted to help us find the scum that he loves lynching so much?

 

Thoughts? Z?

 

It was DL yesterday in a game Ive been heavily invested in for over a week in RL.

 

When I started catching up today I was still the 4th or 4th highest poster and like only like 30 posts from being the Top.

 

I stated I was in 2 games in the sign ups.

 

I can see getting a little suss for it because Im normally the Top Poster but I still cant see why Im being wrung up for it this early in the game at all

 

 

I just had a thought.

 

Zander loves being town and his WIM is always high when he is. This is universally known, right?

So even if we know that he's been in another game, and focusing his attention there, wouldn't he have given just as much attention here - had he been town?

Surely he would have wanted to help us find the scum that he loves lynching so much?

 

Thoughts? Z?

Kinda angleshooty feeling but id be lying if I said I didnt have the though too.

 

 

Shocking

 

 

 

Ok so I'm finally caught up.

I don't know what that whole thing with Monstr was.

I've played with him before a few times and I don't remember him snapping like that.

That isn't to say it can't be some kind of gambit or whatever just saying it's not the normal monstr that I'm used to, if I can even claim to know what normal monstr is after only a couple games.

 

I'd say Besies tone has improved and makes me less leery of the why me freak out but I'd still probably lynch her.

 

Calder continues to be useless like every game would also lynch him.

 

Zanders muted behavior is also very odd but maybe he's very invested in BFGs game right now idk.

Would like to see more of him regardless.

Not asking for full blown Zander, just more.

 

Those are all the thoughts I have offhand.

I think I need to talk to Dice and Nego because I did not get a good read on them while catching up.

This post, I am going back and forth on it believe. Thoughts?

 

Nothing pings me super strongly but he could hang.

 

Zander will resolve himself because of his play style, there is no possible universe where he lives until endgame as scum. So it's slightly strange to want more of him at this stage.

 

I think both dice and Nego have posted enough to be read.

 

 

Reads like posting for the sake of posting, to me.

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

Scum!Believer could have easily piled on to me here and not looked bad if I was mislynched.

 

Nevermind I think I have my answer.

[Zander?]

It is entirely possible that my scum list should be altered from Sooh to Besie.

 

Not ready for that change yet. But, Besie is coming off scummy to me in that she is kind of acknowledging the validity of better pushes while not showing any indication that she will help with them. It makes her ISOing feel to me like desparately trying to present a 3rd viable lynch candidate.

 

If it is Besie than she is the most active member of her team.

 

Is this a shout out to a teammate???

 

 

 

 

 

*snip*

 

*snip*

I'm gonna go ahead and end this argument without a response because otherwise we will talk in circles for three hours and no wolves will ever get lynched

 

Why do you think zander is a villager

 

 

lol, agreed.

 

I had him as town (with all the reasons indicated in my post on p22) up to that page. Since then, he's had that argument thing with Believer, and I do agree that it made Believer seem towny. But I don't think it did the opposite as well - which was to make Zander seem scummy. imo He was just trying to game solve. Maybe in some strange way, but imo it wasn't that different from when he was arguing with me about how i've come to like being town. He's a meta player. If the meta of a person is challenged, he pokes all possible corners of an argument before accepting it and changing his meta of that person. I honestly think he was just poking and prodding Believer to hear the full extent of Believer's gameplay - to better understand it, and obviously to catch Believer if he was lying too. He backed off - and i think this is a big thing. He backed off of the Believer argument - exactly like he did about mine - because he saw the sense in it and decided that that wasn't a route he could use to find scum. 

 

He's not been around, that is true. But he's been fully busy. I know this. I posted about his time here because i was both trying to find some other reason for his being voted as scum - as i'm doing with everyone - and also to see who would reply to it. An opportunity created.

 

Is that good enough for now? I accept that my thoughts on him might change if he does something I don't agree with, but at this moment I'm not wtl him.

 

 

 

 

 

I believe he's saying "a wolf flip of zander clears Tiink because of zander's defense of tiink"

Yes. No manbat in my take there. I dont see a reason why scum Zander advocates for scum Tiink (he was not in trouble). More likely scum Zander hoping to look good if a mislynch of Tiink occurred.

 

 

Okay, thank you.

 

I think I automatically thought manbat should be in there because I was talking about/with/to him just before this post. Miscommunication on my part, I apologise. 

 

Your reasoning makes sense. How do your thoughts change if Zander is the mislynch?

 

 

TMI???

[Darthe]

 

I'm back, have read/skimmed most of the thread.

 

Are you guys still lynching Zander? Stop that.

+1

So do you two prefer to cup zander with one hand each or to rotate?

[Nolder]

Sorry Dice was catching up a couple pages after sleeping.

I'm current now. What's up.

[Darthe]

Believe is pocketed but besie is a wolf imo

[dicetosser1]

you said you wanted to talk to me nol.

 

 

whatcha wanna know?

[dicetosser1]

Darthe   were you town reading besie earlier this game?  or am i remembering wrong?

[Darthe]

I don't think I was... Was I?

[Nolder]

you said you wanted to talk to me nol.

 

 

whatcha wanna know?

I dunno I just felt like I didn't get enough as I caught up.

I don't have a good grip on where you stand.

 

What do you think of Besie right now?

[dicetosser1]

somebody was   sooh commented on it i think    i thought it was u

[dicetosser1]

i think shes town nol.

 

she seems frustrated. shes asking questions.