[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[Calder]

 

 

 

I have seen 0 posts from Hellian and -2 Quality posts from Nolder.

Nol is in a bad place, lighten up on him a bit. He needs it.

Alright. No need to push it anymore today. I am casting my vote there tomorrow though.

I just wanted someone to quote me saying that about him. Gj, wp, +1 townie point

Well you get your nice word in and I back off. For the best. No need for a potshot by me in the first place.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

And also....you cant bribe me with your nipples....youre a nipple prostitute and will show them to me regardless imo

You're desperate enough to see them again that any nipple bribe should work.

 

 

Legit AF

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

 

drivebyshadeattempdenied.gif

 

Reads atp are for the most part to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy imo/

 

Read his two ISO's imo.

 

I KNOW the roles effect things.

 

BUT

 

Hes playing vastly different then the last game and different enough in Disney thus far.

 

Getting reads from him last game early D1 was a task.  He talks about how D1 and D1 reads are crap.

 

Hence different Meta.

 

Well it wasn't a shade attempt, it was more of a direct suspicion actually. You seem to be blindly focused on meta and unable to read the replies people give to you in this game and add them to your consideration. It's fine to use meta as a starting point or even a grounds for suspicion, but to say that Believer's responses this game mean nothing compared to previous meta, which in my experience has differed from game to game, sounds fishy to me. 

 

 

I disagree but maybe its in part to a little bias but meh.

 

Besides the orange I picked out of in the quote you posted can you show me other examples of me doing this?

 

Show me where I said his responses this game mean nothing?  Because if youre trying to say me me saying his like 10 or so page in game reads list with no or lol raisins with a grain of salt as your response Im gonna find that pretty fishy fwiw.

 

Right now in catch up its page 37  I dont remember the exact page this started on but youre acting like me starting to figure people out with Meta early in a game with 2 people, (Besie- Who you know I have a personal bias for and has made me look really bad when shes owned me up as The Wolfy Troll Princess and as you know someone Ive only played 5 games of Mafia with and Believer who is new to DM and Ive only played 2 games with him) is somehow strange or unZander like and thats making 0 sense to me.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

And also....you cant bribe me with your nipples....youre a nipple prostitute and will show them to me regardless imo

You're desperate enough to see them again that any nipple bribe should work.

 

 

Legit AF

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

 

drivebyshadeattempdenied.gif

 

Reads atp are for the most part to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy imo/

 

Read his two ISO's imo.

 

I KNOW the roles effect things.

 

BUT

 

Hes playing vastly different then the last game and different enough in Disney thus far.

 

Getting reads from him last game early D1 was a task.  He talks about how D1 and D1 reads are crap.

 

Hence different Meta.

 

Well it wasn't a shade attempt, it was more of a direct suspicion actually. You seem to be blindly focused on meta and unable to read the replies people give to you in this game and add them to your consideration. It's fine to use meta as a starting point or even a grounds for suspicion, but to say that Believer's responses this game mean nothing compared to previous meta, which in my experience has differed from game to game, sounds fishy to me. 

 

 

I disagree but maybe its in part to a little bias but meh.

 

Besides the orange I picked out of in the quote you posted can you show me other examples of me doing this?

 

Show me where I said his responses this game mean nothing?  Because if youre trying to say me me saying his like 10 or so page in game reads list with no or lol raisins with a grain of salt as your response Im gonna find that pretty fishy fwiw.

 

Right now in catch up its page 37  I dont remember the exact page this started on but youre acting like me starting to figure people out with Meta early in a game with 2 people, (Besie- Who you know I have a personal bias for and has made me look really bad when shes owned me up as The Wolfy Troll Princess and as you know someone Ive only played 5 games of Mafia with and Believer who is new to DM and Ive only played 2 games with him) is somehow strange or unZander like and thats making 0 sense to me.

 

It's not that you're using meta to form reads that's strange to me. It's your unwillingness to actually consider their responses besides throwing a "but you did it differently last time" at them. It reads to me like you make your mind up that you're going to read a person wolfy for doing something that's different in a game, and you just keep harping on it through a long argument with them without reading their responses and having any visible thought process about their responses. 

 

No, you didn't use the words "your responses to me mean nothing" that's the feeling I get when reading your posts, because it doesn't seem like you're thinking about what they are saying back at you at all. 

[Zander?]

 

Btw are y'all gonna actually push your suspects? Do you have suspects?

Scum are happy to sit back today. Wait for us to waffle onto a doable, but inevitably incorrect lynch.

 

 

 

 

 

Btw are y'all gonna actually push your suspects? Do you have suspects?

Scum are happy to sit back today. Wait for us to waffle onto a doable, but inevitably incorrect lynch.

And by "us" I meant the town players. By "scum" I meant my cohesive crime syndicate. Key word being "my." I am its leader. A great one, on the local scene anyway. But, I have national, no...strike that; international ambitions.

 

The kind of ambitions that draws attention. Lots of eyes on me. I am looking to impress.

 

 

FYI- Calder is currently voting me and pushing for my lynch.

 

This seems pretty legit

[Guest]

Catchup p35-36

 

Question to Darthe (1st quotes)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then start reading and I won't nitpick anymore
I won't let wolves get away with not playing the game so if you want me off your back, find a way to make those reads not hull anymore

 
 

Like the villagery response to "you aren't doing enough" is "Oh okay I'll do more"

 
 

The wolfy response is "that sounds like work" or "I'll dodge that question instead by not really answering it with any thought"
Villagers can think about why they find someone suspicious and it forces the wolves to try to pretend to when every villager starts thinking

 
This is just lol.

I am nuking this guy into the ground all game long

 

 

Good for you dude. Your read is off and it's you've already made up your mind over nothing because you think I'm not taking you seriously.

The villagery response is "Okay, I will do more". I already told you I'll do it later because I'm busy doing other things and hadn't had the time to read up and give you the analysis you want. If you honestly think that any wolf who isn't playing like a tool is going to have the mindset "that sounds like work and not answer with thought" then I don't know what to tell you. It's like actively playing against their win condition to do so and appear like a moron. Don't know what kind of mafia games you're playing.

 

I'm going to play the game at my pace considering I signed up so that the game itself could actually start and put in effort as I have done every game I've played on this site. So calm down for a bit and I'll make up for it alright? 

 

That looks to me like t/t

 

Could you please elaborate? Not saying I disagree, but I’d like to know your thought process.

 

Nol how does your zander read influence your thoughts on believer?

 

This. Was. Magical.  *applause*

 

 

1. Zander - Doesn’t seem too different from the town games I’ve seen from him but someone give me some scum games of his to read cause I lack experience.

 

 

2. Darthe - snarky and sassy as always. From the scum game we played I remember him taking a more logical piece by piece approach over throwing out thoughts which is what he’s doing here so I think this fits more of his town meta.

 

 

3. Dice - Always seems like scum to me but I’m getting used to it. The call out on me on page 25, notably post #488, was pretty bad for him. Seems to me he skimmed it, thought of a potentially plausible reason to call me out when I was already getting heat, and then messed up. 

 

“I didn’t like you backing off your vote on Zander.” Lol, I voted him off wrong information what in the hell was I supposed to do? His reply #636 “backing off” was also bad. I could vote him today.

 

 

4. Monstr - A lot of talk about what town does/should do and what scum does/should do. Think he was more pissed off at the fact that I wasn’t taking him seriously which could happen in both alignments but I think it’s more likely he genuinely was trying to scum hunt and felt like his effort was being wasted. 

 

His later posts like #533 read well to me and it’s good content.

 

5. Hellian

 

 

6. Kat/Pral

 

 

7. Besie - Comes off nervously. Feels like she’s crafting her posts carefully and her nervousness is almost seeping through it. Is she just a nervous player can someone confirm? Or was she trying to be seen in a certain way.

 

Post #385 clarifies this for me slightly but doesn’t make me comfortable with it. #476 I generally do not like this kind of reads list. I’m not here for a summary and the wording of the summary is unhelpful but unfortunately it seems like this is something that both a nervous but engaged town would do and a scum looking to “contribute”. 

 

 

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed. 

 

9. Sooh - some town vibes. Not many, but they’re there. I haven’t played a game with her where she’s been scum but she seems comfortable and has claimed to “suck” at being scum. Her general posting makes her seem town to me more often than not so I’ll remain vigilante.

 

 

10. Believer - Slight town lean. I’m judging mainly from his progression between the games he’s played on DM and it seems like the trend he’s taking is one of a player adjusting to meta on a new site with new people. He’s been town in both games I’ve played with him here and has played two very different games so while it’s kind of pointless for me to consider those games individually I’m leaning town on him here because it seems he’s actively adapting to play a different type of town game since his last game was negatively received.

 

Town game 1 - Incredibly active and aggressive posting style

Town game 2 - Low volume, low content for D1 and punished for it after

Game 3 - While doesn’t have the energy for a repeat of game 1 realises that activity early is valued here and has already surpassed the amount of content he’d provided in game 2.

 

All in all.. Eh. Effort is there to get involved though.

 

 

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

 

13. Nolder

 

 

Good to have you playing, Tiink.

I like the tone of many of his thoughts. This post is very towny to me.

 

id like to focus on believer or tink rather then zander at this point.

 

calder may have a point tho about a Tink lynch gaining traction

 

 

peoples thoughts on believer and tinker?   and yes  i know their prob scattered thru the thread. Would be nice tho to have someing concise in one place

 

I had Tiink as scum most of the game but he moved up quite a bit after he started being involved and posted his read list. It makes sense to me and seems towny.

Believer is more town than scum but not in my top town yet.

ftr, I have nobody as lock anything.

 

Tink's #700 is exactly what I asked for

 

It’s exactly what everyone asked for.

 

*snip*

A bit of an ISO on Tiink

*snip*

 

Tiink, have you read D1 some? Can you give your ideas and/or reads and/or thoughts on who you think is scum/town/null?

 

Well Ill admit to not being the best Besie reader historically, Im 1/1 on Town reading her and 0/3 Scum reading her iirc (unless you count Diablo where we were Hydra Scummates...then id be 1/4 lolololololol )

 

But if I didnt have any Meta on her Id prolly lean villager atp.

 

When I get the chance I want to go back to her other games and ISO her to see if I can flesh out this read more but Id prolly give her a slight Town read.

 

Not really sure about Tinker atp, need to get caught up and see,  Want to go back and reread this whole back and forth he had with Dice

 

*snip*

*snip*

 

Quick question to those who know Besie:
 
Does she do huge read posts like that as scum?
 
Because I know I do. But I want to believe she is town and not only for that post.

 
I believe so but not 100% Im going to ISO here for myself.
 
You should to if you get the chance and let me know what you come back with.

 

*snip*

 

You’re going to purposefully break your brain, by choice?

 

*snip*

 

*snip*

 

I can see how Town!Besie could get here irt Darthe.

 

Unless I missed it Id like you to touch a little more on your Tink and Calder Scum reads please.

 

 

My Tiink reads have slightly changed.  At that point in time it was mainly the fact that he was around and posting – basically playing the game and contributing, but without actually having read or having reads of the game himself. I can add more reasoning but it goes past the point in time that I posted that.

 

On Calder at that point in time it was mostly because, even though he was here, he seemingly was just fluffing up the thread (no offence). And when he finally did start playing – like posting things we could use for gameplay – it went into sarcastic tone which is kinda still useless. It’s especially difficult for me to figure out a read on him when I’ve barely (if ever) played a game with him. I’m going with scummy, and he’s still scummy to me for reasons that go past the time of that post you quoted. You’ve probably read over some of those reasons by now.

 

 

 

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[Guest]

What did you guys do to the page. It is unreadable.

 

Sorry

[Zander?]

I also want people to look at how Zander responded to my accusations. He shrugged it off and said I had "no raisins."

 

From a standard player, sure. That is a conservative way to respond as eithet alignment. But, ask yourself what town Zander does 90% of the time. He comes back hard at that person. Showers them in posts. Often bumps them to the top of his suspect list and maybe votes them. Yet, he goes with the shrug off.

 

Not town Zander. Not in this game.

 

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As i stated i was like 15 pages behind and catching up when I seen that.

 

You made one comment really atp with an actual reason which Ive questioned and have never seen a response to.

 

Thought Id wait till I was caught up to see if you were actually trying to progress a read on me or trying to push me.

 

 

 

 

 

1. Zander - Doesn’t seem too different from the town games I’ve seen from him but someone give me some scum games of his to read cause I lack experience.

 

 

2. Darthe - snarky and sassy as always. From the scum game we played I remember him taking a more logical piece by piece approach over throwing out thoughts which is what he’s doing here so I think this fits more of his town meta.

 

 

3. Dice - Always seems like scum to me but I’m getting used to it. The call out on me on page 25, notably post #488, was pretty bad for him. Seems to me he skimmed it, thought of a potentially plausible reason to call me out when I was already getting heat, and then messed up. 

 

“I didn’t like you backing off your vote on Zander.” Lol, I voted him off wrong information what in the hell was I supposed to do? His reply #636 “backing off” was also bad. I could vote him today.

 

 

4. Monstr - A lot of talk about what town does/should do and what scum does/should do. Think he was more pissed off at the fact that I wasn’t taking him seriously which could happen in both alignments but I think it’s more likely he genuinely was trying to scum hunt and felt like his effort was being wasted. 

 

His later posts like #533 read well to me and it’s good content.

 

5. Hellian

 

 

6. Kat/Pral

 

 

7. Besie - Comes off nervously. Feels like she’s crafting her posts carefully and her nervousness is almost seeping through it. Is she just a nervous player can someone confirm? Or was she trying to be seen in a certain way.

 

Post #385 clarifies this for me slightly but doesn’t make me comfortable with it. #476 I generally do not like this kind of reads list. I’m not here for a summary and the wording of the summary is unhelpful but unfortunately it seems like this is something that both a nervous but engaged town would do and a scum looking to “contribute”. 

 

 

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed. 

 

9. Sooh - some town vibes. Not many, but they’re there. I haven’t played a game with her where she’s been scum but she seems comfortable and has claimed to “suck” at being scum. Her general posting makes her seem town to me more often than not so I’ll remain vigilante.

 

 

10. Believer - Slight town lean. I’m judging mainly from his progression between the games he’s played on DM and it seems like the trend he’s taking is one of a player adjusting to meta on a new site with new people. He’s been town in both games I’ve played with him here and has played two very different games so while it’s kind of pointless for me to consider those games individually I’m leaning town on him here because it seems he’s actively adapting to play a different type of town game since his last game was negatively received.

 

Town game 1 - Incredibly active and aggressive posting style

Town game 2 - Low volume, low content for D1 and punished for it after

Game 3 - While doesn’t have the energy for a repeat of game 1 realises that activity early is valued here and has already surpassed the amount of content he’d provided in game 2.

 

All in all.. Eh. Effort is there to get involved though.

 

 

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

 

13. Nolder

 

Tiink's big catchup isn't huge in terms of content, but I can see how he might have come to the conclusions he has. 

 

In terms of what made me suspect Tiinker to begin with it comes down to a couple of things. One is the Zander vote and backtracking. First it's the fact that he chose to jump on Z for the reason he did, valid or not. It seemed like he was searching for a reason to vote someone, and that was the weak reasoning he found. It was also based on pure guesswork as far as I can tell, or poor memory. One of the two. I don't remember exactly where in the game this happened, but from my recollection it was after we were done with the initial jokes back and forth, so I would expect a vote at that point to at least be somewhat serious unless otherwise indicated in the post. There was nothing in that vote post that made me believe that Tiinker was trying to joke-vote Z though, so with at least a semi-serious vote it's strange that it was dropped so soon after. 

 

Another thing that I felt was scummy about Tiinker was how he handled being asked about reads last night before he came back and made these reads. He seemed dismissive, and that was the reason why I chose to vote him at the time. Now, with these ~ok reads I'm willing to give him more time. Color me not convinced, but at least satisfied enough to give him more time.

 

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About Z though. Z is usually pretty good at mimicking his town game when scum. The difference as I see it is the level of just general eagerness in which he approaches the game. He had a good start in terms of that, but he has tapered off some, and there have been some reads that I had some trouble following in terms of the sincerity in them, or perhaps the nitpicky-ness. 

 

 

 

You know what

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

Now you have things to count, Nyn

 

You see now the bold is something I dont really have a big problem with Town!Sooh sussing me for.

 

My issue with it now is that she was pushing at me for stuff that shes saying is different or weird for Town!Zander when its 100% not first.

 

Its like she was throwing stuff out there to see if she could get something to stick.

 

Tinks been getting sussed and Sooh is currently voting him.  Then he makes a pretty villagery reads list post and some people who were sussing him kinda backed off and after this happens Sooh lays out kinda like to justify all the reasons she had for sussing him before saying the post was kinda villagery but shed watch him.

 

Then theres me who hadnt been around much who shed also thrown shade type posts out there earlier and then after others start sussing and voting me she gives a basic but kinda generic reason to jump on and vote me.

 

These last 2 things come across to me like Sooh is overly aware and concerned about how shes perceived by everyone when shes sussing and voting her suspects.

 

Ill have to go back and see if her Tink suss and vote came after someone else had voiced it.

 

 

Tbh z votes aren't bad as his heart isn't in it and he is doing that thing where he focuses on one piece of a post and neglects the rest.

 

That said, thoughts on dice and monstr would be good to see.

 

Youre about to get your dose of humble pie imo.

[Sooh]

 

I also want people to look at how Zander responded to my accusations. He shrugged it off and said I had "no raisins."

 

From a standard player, sure. That is a conservative way to respond as eithet alignment. But, ask yourself what town Zander does 90% of the time. He comes back hard at that person. Showers them in posts. Often bumps them to the top of his suspect list and maybe votes them. Yet, he goes with the shrug off.

 

Not town Zander. Not in this game.

 

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As i stated i was like 15 pages behind and catching up when I seen that.

 

You made one comment really atp with an actual reason which Ive questioned and have never seen a response to.

 

Thought Id wait till I was caught up to see if you were actually trying to progress a read on me or trying to push me.

 

 

 

 

 

1. Zander - Doesn’t seem too different from the town games I’ve seen from him but someone give me some scum games of his to read cause I lack experience.

 

 

2. Darthe - snarky and sassy as always. From the scum game we played I remember him taking a more logical piece by piece approach over throwing out thoughts which is what he’s doing here so I think this fits more of his town meta.

 

 

3. Dice - Always seems like scum to me but I’m getting used to it. The call out on me on page 25, notably post #488, was pretty bad for him. Seems to me he skimmed it, thought of a potentially plausible reason to call me out when I was already getting heat, and then messed up. 

 

“I didn’t like you backing off your vote on Zander.” Lol, I voted him off wrong information what in the hell was I supposed to do? His reply #636 “backing off” was also bad. I could vote him today.

 

 

4. Monstr - A lot of talk about what town does/should do and what scum does/should do. Think he was more pissed off at the fact that I wasn’t taking him seriously which could happen in both alignments but I think it’s more likely he genuinely was trying to scum hunt and felt like his effort was being wasted. 

 

His later posts like #533 read well to me and it’s good content.

 

5. Hellian

 

 

6. Kat/Pral

 

 

7. Besie - Comes off nervously. Feels like she’s crafting her posts carefully and her nervousness is almost seeping through it. Is she just a nervous player can someone confirm? Or was she trying to be seen in a certain way.

 

Post #385 clarifies this for me slightly but doesn’t make me comfortable with it. #476 I generally do not like this kind of reads list. I’m not here for a summary and the wording of the summary is unhelpful but unfortunately it seems like this is something that both a nervous but engaged town would do and a scum looking to “contribute”. 

 

 

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed. 

 

9. Sooh - some town vibes. Not many, but they’re there. I haven’t played a game with her where she’s been scum but she seems comfortable and has claimed to “suck” at being scum. Her general posting makes her seem town to me more often than not so I’ll remain vigilante.

 

 

10. Believer - Slight town lean. I’m judging mainly from his progression between the games he’s played on DM and it seems like the trend he’s taking is one of a player adjusting to meta on a new site with new people. He’s been town in both games I’ve played with him here and has played two very different games so while it’s kind of pointless for me to consider those games individually I’m leaning town on him here because it seems he’s actively adapting to play a different type of town game since his last game was negatively received.

 

Town game 1 - Incredibly active and aggressive posting style

Town game 2 - Low volume, low content for D1 and punished for it after

Game 3 - While doesn’t have the energy for a repeat of game 1 realises that activity early is valued here and has already surpassed the amount of content he’d provided in game 2.

 

All in all.. Eh. Effort is there to get involved though.

 

 

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

 

13. Nolder

 

Tiink's big catchup isn't huge in terms of content, but I can see how he might have come to the conclusions he has. 

 

In terms of what made me suspect Tiinker to begin with it comes down to a couple of things. One is the Zander vote and backtracking. First it's the fact that he chose to jump on Z for the reason he did, valid or not. It seemed like he was searching for a reason to vote someone, and that was the weak reasoning he found. It was also based on pure guesswork as far as I can tell, or poor memory. One of the two. I don't remember exactly where in the game this happened, but from my recollection it was after we were done with the initial jokes back and forth, so I would expect a vote at that point to at least be somewhat serious unless otherwise indicated in the post. There was nothing in that vote post that made me believe that Tiinker was trying to joke-vote Z though, so with at least a semi-serious vote it's strange that it was dropped so soon after. 

 

Another thing that I felt was scummy about Tiinker was how he handled being asked about reads last night before he came back and made these reads. He seemed dismissive, and that was the reason why I chose to vote him at the time. Now, with these ~ok reads I'm willing to give him more time. Color me not convinced, but at least satisfied enough to give him more time.

 

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About Z though. Z is usually pretty good at mimicking his town game when scum. The difference as I see it is the level of just general eagerness in which he approaches the game. He had a good start in terms of that, but he has tapered off some, and there have been some reads that I had some trouble following in terms of the sincerity in them, or perhaps the nitpicky-ness. 

 

 

 

You know what

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

Now you have things to count, Nyn

 

You see now the bold is something I dont really have a big problem with Town!Sooh sussing me for.

 

My issue with it now is that she was pushing at me for stuff that shes saying is different or weird for Town!Zander when its 100% not first.

 

Its like she was throwing stuff out there to see if she could get something to stick.

 

Tinks been getting sussed and Sooh is currently voting him.  Then he makes a pretty villagery reads list post and some people who were sussing him kinda backed off and after this happens Sooh lays out kinda like to justify all the reasons she had for sussing him before saying the post was kinda villagery but shed watch him.

 

Then theres me who hadnt been around much who shed also thrown shade type posts out there earlier and then after others start sussing and voting me she gives a basic but kinda generic reason to jump on and vote me.

 

These last 2 things come across to me like Sooh is overly aware and concerned about how shes perceived by everyone when shes sussing and voting her suspects.

 

Ill have to go back and see if her Tink suss and vote came after someone else had voiced it.

 

 

Tbh z votes aren't bad as his heart isn't in it and he is doing that thing where he focuses on one piece of a post and neglects the rest.

 

That said, thoughts on dice and monstr would be good to see.

 

Youre about to get your dose of humble pie imo.

 

I was being asked about it by someone else, but it didn't include the quote. 

[Darthe]

Catchup p35-36

 

Question to Darthe (1st quotes)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then start reading and I won't nitpick anymore

I won't let wolves get away with not playing the game so if you want me off your back, find a way to make those reads not hull anymore

 

Like the villagery response to "you aren't doing enough" is "Oh okay I'll do more"

 

The wolfy response is "that sounds like work" or "I'll dodge that question instead by not really answering it with any thought"

Villagers can think about why they find someone suspicious and it forces the wolves to try to pretend to when every villager starts thinking

This is just lol.

I am nuking this guy into the ground all game long

Good for you dude. Your read is off and it's you've already made up your mind over nothing because you think I'm not taking you seriously.

The villagery response is "Okay, I will do more". I already told you I'll do it later because I'm busy doing other things and hadn't had the time to read up and give you the analysis you want. If you honestly think that any wolf who isn't playing like a tool is going to have the mindset "that sounds like work and not answer with thought" then I don't know what to tell you. It's like actively playing against their win condition to do so and appear like a moron. Don't know what kind of mafia games you're playing.

 

I'm going to play the game at my pace considering I signed up so that the game itself could actually start and put in effort as I have done every game I've played on this site. So calm down for a bit and I'll make up for it alright?

That looks to me like t/t

Could you please elaborate? Not saying I disagree, but I’d like to know your thought process.

Nol how does your zander read influence your thoughts on believer?

This. Was. Magical. *applause*

 

1. Zander - Doesn’t seem too different from the town games I’ve seen from him but someone give me some scum games of his to read cause I lack experience.

 

 

2. Darthe - snarky and sassy as always. From the scum game we played I remember him taking a more logical piece by piece approach over throwing out thoughts which is what he’s doing here so I think this fits more of his town meta.

 

 

3. Dice - Always seems like scum to me but I’m getting used to it. The call out on me on page 25, notably post #488, was pretty bad for him. Seems to me he skimmed it, thought of a potentially plausible reason to call me out when I was already getting heat, and then messed up.

 

“I didn’t like you backing off your vote on Zander.” Lol, I voted him off wrong information what in the hell was I supposed to do? His reply #636 “backing off” was also bad. I could vote him today.

 

 

4. Monstr - A lot of talk about what town does/should do and what scum does/should do. Think he was more pissed off at the fact that I wasn’t taking him seriously which could happen in both alignments but I think it’s more likely he genuinely was trying to scum hunt and felt like his effort was being wasted.

 

His later posts like #533 read well to me and it’s good content.

 

5. Hellian

 

 

6. Kat/Pral

 

 

7. Besie - Comes off nervously. Feels like she’s crafting her posts carefully and her nervousness is almost seeping through it. Is she just a nervous player can someone confirm? Or was she trying to be seen in a certain way.

 

Post #385 clarifies this for me slightly but doesn’t make me comfortable with it. #476 I generally do not like this kind of reads list. I’m not here for a summary and the wording of the summary is unhelpful but unfortunately it seems like this is something that both a nervous but engaged town would do and a scum looking to “contribute”.

 

 

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed.

 

9. Sooh - some town vibes. Not many, but they’re there. I haven’t played a game with her where she’s been scum but she seems comfortable and has claimed to “suck” at being scum. Her general posting makes her seem town to me more often than not so I’ll remain vigilante.

 

 

10. Believer - Slight town lean. I’m judging mainly from his progression between the games he’s played on DM and it seems like the trend he’s taking is one of a player adjusting to meta on a new site with new people. He’s been town in both games I’ve played with him here and has played two very different games so while it’s kind of pointless for me to consider those games individually I’m leaning town on him here because it seems he’s actively adapting to play a different type of town game since his last game was negatively received.

 

Town game 1 - Incredibly active and aggressive posting style

Town game 2 - Low volume, low content for D1 and punished for it after

Game 3 - While doesn’t have the energy for a repeat of game 1 realises that activity early is valued here and has already surpassed the amount of content he’d provided in game 2.

 

All in all.. Eh. Effort is there to get involved though.

 

 

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

 

13. Nolder

 

Good to have you playing, Tiink.

I like the tone of many of his thoughts. This post is very towny to me.

id like to focus on believer or tink rather then zander at this point.

 

calder may have a point tho about a Tink lynch gaining traction

 

 

peoples thoughts on believer and tinker? and yes i know their prob scattered thru the thread. Would be nice tho to have someing concise in one place

I had Tiink as scum most of the game but he moved up quite a bit after he started being involved and posted his read list. It makes sense to me and seems towny.

Believer is more town than scum but not in my top town yet.

ftr, I have nobody as lock anything.

Tink's #700 is exactly what I asked for

It’s exactly what everyone asked for.

*snip*

A bit of an ISO on Tiink

*snip*

 

Tiink, have you read D1 some? Can you give your ideas and/or reads and/or thoughts on who you think is scum/town/null?

Well Ill admit to not being the best Besie reader historically, Im 1/1 on Town reading her and 0/3 Scum reading her iirc (unless you count Diablo where we were Hydra Scummates...then id be 1/4 lolololololol )

 

But if I didnt have any Meta on her Id prolly lean villager atp.

 

When I get the chance I want to go back to her other games and ISO her to see if I can flesh out this read more but Id prolly give her a slight Town read.

 

Not really sure about Tinker atp, need to get caught up and see, Want to go back and reread this whole back and forth he had with Dice

 

*snip*

*snip*

 

Quick question to those who know Besie:

 

Does she do huge read posts like that as scum?

 

Because I know I do. But I want to believe she is town and not only for that post.

I believe so but not 100% Im going to ISO here for myself.

 

You should to if you get the chance and let me know what you come back with.

 

*snip*

You’re going to purposefully break your brain, by choice?

*snip*

 

*snip*

I can see how Town!Besie could get here irt Darthe.

 

Unless I missed it Id like you to touch a little more on your Tink and Calder Scum reads please.

My Tiink reads have slightly changed. At that point in time it was mainly the fact that he was around and posting – basically playing the game and contributing, but without actually having read or having reads of the game himself. I can add more reasoning but it goes past the point in time that I posted that.

 

On Calder at that point in time it was mostly because, even though he was here, he seemingly was just fluffing up the thread (no offence). And when he finally did start playing – like posting things we could use for gameplay – it went into sarcastic tone which is kinda still useless. It’s especially difficult for me to figure out a read on him when I’ve barely (if ever) played a game with him. I’m going with scummy, and he’s still scummy to me for reasons that go past the time of that post you quoted. You’ve probably read over some of those reasons by now.

 

 

 

[unvote] for now

Gonna have to be later, state payday in a state employees credit union.

[Nynaeve]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Zander (5): Calder, manbat, Darthe, Sooh, Tinker

Believer (2): dice, Zander

dice (2): Believer, Nego

 

Not voting cause all the rum is gone (4): The rest of you wankers.

 

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline:

[Zander?]

 

Official Coin Count

 

Zander (4): Calder, manbat, Darthe, Sooh

Believer (2): dice, Zander

dice (1): Believer

Darthe (1): Besie

Calder (1): Tiinker

 

Not voting cause all the rum is gone (4): The rest of you wankers.

 

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline:

 

 

Only one real train 24 hours from DL should prolly tell people something imo.

 

 

"That's what she said"

 

This is in honor of NynGOAT, the Inaugural Winner of the Daily "Thats What She Said Award"

 

Congratulations on this most prestigious award.

 

<3 <3 <3

 

 

NynGOAT

 

<3 <3 <3

 

 

 

 

You know what

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

Now you have things to count, Nyn

Sooooooooh:

 

This is the first time you have ever backed me. Including when we were on the same team.

 

On an unrelated note. I now want soup for lunch.

What can I say? It was the wicked rhymes that sold me

Have you ever been hated or discriminated against?

I have! I've been protested and demonstrated against.

Picket signs for my wicked rhymes. Look at the times.

Sick as a polleted mind or Zander's behind

All this commotion emotions run deep as wolf's heads exploding

Teeth bared but we blow em off and keep going

Not taking nothin from no'one, give em hell long as I'm breathin

Keep lynching scum in the day phase and blocking kills in the evening

Leave'em with a taste as sour as vinegar in their mouth

Think they can push a lynch on me, but they aint never figured me out

Look at me now, I bet you prob getting sick of me chief

I'mma kill you dead and put an end to this beef

 

 

Regardless of the fact im Town

 

I legit lololololololol'd in rl.

 

 

Ok so I'm finally caught up.

I don't know what that whole thing with Monstr was.

I've played with him before a few times and I don't remember him snapping like that.

That isn't to say it can't be some kind of gambit or whatever just saying it's not the normal monstr that I'm used to, if I can even claim to know what normal monstr is after only a couple games.

 

I'd say Besies tone has improved and makes me less leery of the why me freak out but I'd still probably lynch her.

 

Calder continues to be useless like every game would also lynch him.

 

Zanders muted behavior is also very odd but maybe he's very invested in BFGs game right now idk.

Would like to see more of him regardless.

Not asking for full blown Zander, just more.

 

Those are all the thoughts I have offhand.

I think I need to talk to Dice and Nego because I did not get a good read on them while catching up.

 

Nolder am I Town iyo?

 

 

 

 

Only two fingers? Oh dearie me! How did you lose the rest?

overzealous masturbation.

True story

 

 

Nyn now Mod Confirmed Innocent Masturbater?????

[Nynaeve]

I don't think I have an innocent bone in my body... lol

[Darthe]

 

I also want people to look at how Zander responded to my accusations. He shrugged it off and said I had "no raisins."

 

From a standard player, sure. That is a conservative way to respond as eithet alignment. But, ask yourself what town Zander does 90% of the time. He comes back hard at that person. Showers them in posts. Often bumps them to the top of his suspect list and maybe votes them. Yet, he goes with the shrug off.

 

Not town Zander. Not in this game.

 

*this message brought to you by the Pirate Lord Council of Tortuga.

As i stated i was like 15 pages behind and catching up when I seen that.

 

You made one comment really atp with an actual reason which Ive questioned and have never seen a response to.

 

Thought Id wait till I was caught up to see if you were actually trying to progress a read on me or trying to push me.

 

 

 

 

1. Zander - Doesn’t seem too different from the town games I’ve seen from him but someone give me some scum games of his to read cause I lack experience.

 

 

2. Darthe - snarky and sassy as always. From the scum game we played I remember him taking a more logical piece by piece approach over throwing out thoughts which is what he’s doing here so I think this fits more of his town meta.

 

 

3. Dice - Always seems like scum to me but I’m getting used to it. The call out on me on page 25, notably post #488, was pretty bad for him. Seems to me he skimmed it, thought of a potentially plausible reason to call me out when I was already getting heat, and then messed up.

 

“I didn’t like you backing off your vote on Zander.” Lol, I voted him off wrong information what in the hell was I supposed to do? His reply #636 “backing off” was also bad. I could vote him today.

 

 

4. Monstr - A lot of talk about what town does/should do and what scum does/should do. Think he was more pissed off at the fact that I wasn’t taking him seriously which could happen in both alignments but I think it’s more likely he genuinely was trying to scum hunt and felt like his effort was being wasted.

 

His later posts like #533 read well to me and it’s good content.

 

5. Hellian

 

 

6. Kat/Pral

 

 

7. Besie - Comes off nervously. Feels like she’s crafting her posts carefully and her nervousness is almost seeping through it. Is she just a nervous player can someone confirm? Or was she trying to be seen in a certain way.

 

Post #385 clarifies this for me slightly but doesn’t make me comfortable with it. #476 I generally do not like this kind of reads list. I’m not here for a summary and the wording of the summary is unhelpful but unfortunately it seems like this is something that both a nervous but engaged town would do and a scum looking to “contribute”.

 

 

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed.

 

9. Sooh - some town vibes. Not many, but they’re there. I haven’t played a game with her where she’s been scum but she seems comfortable and has claimed to “suck” at being scum. Her general posting makes her seem town to me more often than not so I’ll remain vigilante.

 

 

10. Believer - Slight town lean. I’m judging mainly from his progression between the games he’s played on DM and it seems like the trend he’s taking is one of a player adjusting to meta on a new site with new people. He’s been town in both games I’ve played with him here and has played two very different games so while it’s kind of pointless for me to consider those games individually I’m leaning town on him here because it seems he’s actively adapting to play a different type of town game since his last game was negatively received.

 

Town game 1 - Incredibly active and aggressive posting style

Town game 2 - Low volume, low content for D1 and punished for it after

Game 3 - While doesn’t have the energy for a repeat of game 1 realises that activity early is valued here and has already surpassed the amount of content he’d provided in game 2.

 

All in all.. Eh. Effort is there to get involved though.

 

 

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

 

13. Nolder

 

Tiink's big catchup isn't huge in terms of content, but I can see how he might have come to the conclusions he has.

 

In terms of what made me suspect Tiinker to begin with it comes down to a couple of things. One is the Zander vote and backtracking. First it's the fact that he chose to jump on Z for the reason he did, valid or not. It seemed like he was searching for a reason to vote someone, and that was the weak reasoning he found. It was also based on pure guesswork as far as I can tell, or poor memory. One of the two. I don't remember exactly where in the game this happened, but from my recollection it was after we were done with the initial jokes back and forth, so I would expect a vote at that point to at least be somewhat serious unless otherwise indicated in the post. There was nothing in that vote post that made me believe that Tiinker was trying to joke-vote Z though, so with at least a semi-serious vote it's strange that it was dropped so soon after.

 

Another thing that I felt was scummy about Tiinker was how he handled being asked about reads last night before he came back and made these reads. He seemed dismissive, and that was the reason why I chose to vote him at the time. Now, with these ~ok reads I'm willing to give him more time. Color me not convinced, but at least satisfied enough to give him more time.

 

[unvote]

 

About Z though. Z is usually pretty good at mimicking his town game when scum. The difference as I see it is the level of just general eagerness in which he approaches the game. He had a good start in terms of that, but he has tapered off some, and there have been some reads that I had some trouble following in terms of the sincerity in them, or perhaps the nitpicky-ness.

You know what

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

Now you have things to count, Nyn

You see now the bold is something I dont really have a big problem with Town!Sooh sussing me for.

 

My issue with it now is that she was pushing at me for stuff that shes saying is different or weird for Town!Zander when its 100% not first.

 

Its like she was throwing stuff out there to see if she could get something to stick.

 

Tinks been getting sussed and Sooh is currently voting him. Then he makes a pretty villagery reads list post and some people who were sussing him kinda backed off and after this happens Sooh lays out kinda like to justify all the reasons she had for sussing him before saying the post was kinda villagery but shed watch him.

 

Then theres me who hadnt been around much who shed also thrown shade type posts out there earlier and then after others start sussing and voting me she gives a basic but kinda generic reason to jump on and vote me.

 

These last 2 things come across to me like Sooh is overly aware and concerned about how shes perceived by everyone when shes sussing and voting her suspects.

 

Ill have to go back and see if her Tink suss and vote came after someone else had voiced it.

 

Tbh z votes aren't bad as his heart isn't in it and he is doing that thing where he focuses on one piece of a post and neglects the rest.

 

That said, thoughts on dice and monstr would be good to see.

Youre about to get your dose of humble pie imo.

Imagine a world where you made reads as coherent as that sooh one all the time. Noted for if you flip town though!

[Zander?]

Zander, are you gonna be on easy street all game? Are you gonna explain your relative lack of presence?

 

2 games at once.

 

I was posting all day in it and heavily invested.

 

Also got RL stuff.

 

I was still like the #4 or #5 poster still when people were calling out my inactivity and like only maybe 20-30isf posts behind iirc....lololololol

 

Do with this whatever you guys want.

 

Im here now lets do this!!!!

[Pralaya]

Before I go to sleep, below is what I think so far. Still a bit to catch up, will do tomorrow. 
 
 
Tiinklove - I mentioned about how he plays it safe when he is scum. I have played with him as scum and it definitely is not the same tone here. Yes, he went aggressive on Zander. He was dismissive when asked for reads. I dont see him do these things that would get him attention if he was scum. Townie
 
Sooh - Has been active and reasonable in her reads. There are some posts that I liked - for example, her response to Zander when she talked about low posters or the way she was rethinking her reads as the game progressed . I had her as scum in Black Metal game when she was town and I see some bit of that impulsiveness in her play. Townie
 
Monstr - I liked his responses when I mentioned about a few suspicion I had on him. Based on others who have played with him, he gets emotional sometimes and that it is normal for him. When my argument with him ended, this post looks like it is coming from a villager. I would have expected scum to take advantage but that was good response. 
 
Darthe - He is more enthusiastic, inquisitive that I think he is mostly town. I think it could be for the fact that a lot of players in this game are known to him already. He has commented pretty much on all players. But, he is also someone who can mask well as scum and I have bitter, personal experience of that. For now, he is town. 
 
Zander - I have never been able to read him right. He has been less active this game - presumably because of the other game we are playing which is more critical. I see him getting heat for it. I am just seeing the same tone he has in all the other games I have played with him. Nothing specifically stands out from him. Null to town. 
 
Besie - I have pretty much given my opinion of her earlier. Most of the early votes on her stemmed from people who kind of knew her meta. Especially zander insisted that he knows her very well and this is not her town game. I frankly don't know how she plays but what she posted hasn't exactly stood out as scum. Null to town
 
Nego - No idea about his meta. First game with him. Has a lot of posts that has seemed fine. Pretty much straightforward type of posts. But, no idea on his game so far without a knowledge of his meta. Null
 
Believer - He said the same thing about his disinterest in D1 in the other game where he was town. Pretty much the same opening lines, the same tone. . Probably will be able to resolve with more information later in the game. Null

 

Nolder - Has hardly posted but he seems to be saying that he is catching. Have been in the same position a lot of times, so I understand. I would say, null. 
 
Hellian - He is in this game?
 
Calder - Something about him, the way he jokes about being scum doesn't sit right with me. Like this, this or his first post. I know it is meant as a joke and I guess he would be doing the same in other games but repeating the same thing in a number of posts looks fake to me. It is something scum can easily hide behind. He has been focused on Tink and zander pretty much the whole game and i feel some sense of nudgniness in his posts. Gut says he is scum. 
 
Dice - He has so far gone on Believer and tink in this game. Both are easy votes - especially given Believer's unwillingness to play D1 a lot and tinker's vote/unvote of zander. Both are easy to latch on to and push as scum. Responses like this seems forced and nudgy. I don't see his game here similar to the other games where I have seen him town.

[Zander?]

Zander if you're town I need you to not be phoning it in right now

 

I need you here doing your zander thing maeng

 

Im here brah.

 

Talk to me.

 

Replace Hellian maybe? Don't think he's been around for over a week.

 

Legit imo.

 

Zander

Nolder

Sooh

 

^^^^^Scum team - feel great about the top 2.

 

So in this scenario you Scum!Sooh bussing Scum!Zander since pretty much the beginning of D1 AND Scum!Nolder buddying and and saying he dont want me lynched and stuff with no real raisins listed???

 

So like the whole team just basically connecting themselves needlessly to each other within the first 40 pages on D1?

 

Seems Legit...

[Zander?]

I just had a thought.

 

Zander loves being town and his WIM is always high when he is. This is universally known, right?

So even if we know that he's been in another game, and focusing his attention there, wouldn't he have given just as much attention here - had he been town?

Surely he would have wanted to help us find the scum that he loves lynching so much?

 

Thoughts? Z?

 

It was DL yesterday in a game Ive been heavily invested in for over a week in RL.

 

When I started catching up today I was still the 4th or 4th highest poster and like only like 30 posts from being the Top.

 

I stated I was in 2 games in the sign ups.

 

I can see getting a little suss for it because Im normally the Top Poster but I still cant see why Im being wrung up for it this early in the game at all

 

 

I just had a thought.

 

Zander loves being town and his WIM is always high when he is. This is universally known, right?

So even if we know that he's been in another game, and focusing his attention there, wouldn't he have given just as much attention here - had he been town?

Surely he would have wanted to help us find the scum that he loves lynching so much?

 

Thoughts? Z?

Kinda angleshooty feeling but id be lying if I said I didnt have the though too.

 

 

Shocking

 

 

 

Ok so I'm finally caught up.

I don't know what that whole thing with Monstr was.

I've played with him before a few times and I don't remember him snapping like that.

That isn't to say it can't be some kind of gambit or whatever just saying it's not the normal monstr that I'm used to, if I can even claim to know what normal monstr is after only a couple games.

 

I'd say Besies tone has improved and makes me less leery of the why me freak out but I'd still probably lynch her.

 

Calder continues to be useless like every game would also lynch him.

 

Zanders muted behavior is also very odd but maybe he's very invested in BFGs game right now idk.

Would like to see more of him regardless.

Not asking for full blown Zander, just more.

 

Those are all the thoughts I have offhand.

I think I need to talk to Dice and Nego because I did not get a good read on them while catching up.

This post, I am going back and forth on it believe. Thoughts?

 

Nothing pings me super strongly but he could hang.

 

Zander will resolve himself because of his play style, there is no possible universe where he lives until endgame as scum. So it's slightly strange to want more of him at this stage.

 

I think both dice and Nego have posted enough to be read.

 

 

Reads like posting for the sake of posting, to me.

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

Scum!Believer could have easily piled on to me here and not looked bad if I was mislynched.

[Sooh]

Sorry guys. I'm not feeling well tonight. I'll be around tomorrow though.

[Nynaeve]

MOD ANNUNCEMENT: Hellian slot is on ice for now. Role PM hasn't even been read. We're looking for a sub currently. Will keep you posted. 

[Zander?]

p25-29

(Still my catchup thoughts and opinions)

 

 

 

 

 

as long as its on believer or tink  im in

 

How people get these reads after such little interaction is beyond me.

 

 

Actually after no interaction. We haven't even spoken to each other yet itt. What's the deal Dice?

 

 

The insisting on interaction before someone can decide alignment is not true at all, and i’m going to say slight scum alignment, regardless of the actual content of these posts. Interaction means someone can talk themselves out of it. Your play by interaction with the other players should be towny enough without having to explain yourself to everyone. More thoughts on his saying this is in my ISO spoiler on p26 (#507)

 

Looking at the actual content, Dice explains himself immediately when asked (#488) so I still don’t think Tiink’s response was the correct one, or in the right way anyway.  

 

Ok, caught up from yesterday. Thankfully not as much pages as I expected !

 

I do not have experience with a lot of people in this game. Haven't played with Besie, Nego. Played just a handful of games with manbat and calder, don't remember much how they play. 

 

That said, I wanted to know how Blesie played because I kinda saw some kind of appealing tone in this game. I know that she has only played one town game so far and I went ahead and checked it (Lost Mafia- notice her tone. She sounded similar as she is here - excited, analyzing etc. She got mislynched D2 in that game.

 

I don't see anything that has stood out from her so far this game. 

 

im here briefly   just got home from work so too tired for a 10 page catchup.

 

 

@tink  I didnt like the way you backed off ure zander vote

 

Tiinker plays quite safe when he is scum. I know it because I was scum with him in a recent game. I don't see him going for aggressive early votes like in this game as scum. 

 

 

In these posts Pral seems to be looking at meta’s of players, including the ones he has not played with. I’m going with slight town indicative.

 

Null on players that have little content makes sense of course. But, when players have a lot, I think you are pressed to defend a null stance on them.

 

I understand Calder’s reasoning here, even though it wasn’t necessary at this point in time. This was at Tiink who couldn’t give specifics yet (even in high posters) due to him not having been able to read the thread properly yet. Not alignment indicative atm, I think.

 

How can you blatantly say that you havent read enough to make an informed decision then not read enough to make an informed decision and just say "null is good enough for now?"

 

I agree with Calder it's not a good look

 

Quoted this cause I’m not going back to quote the original (p27 by Tiink) and mess up the order/time of the quotes in this post.

Tiink is asked for reads on two of the most active posters and says it’s null for him for the sake of saying something. This seems unlikely as he must’ve felt something whilst reading it, but it also shows that Tiink has not been involved in the game by this stage at all. I’ve no alignment indicative opinion on this at this stage.

 

The wolfy response is "that sounds like work" or "I'll dodge that question instead by not really answering it with any thought"

 

Villagers can think about why they find someone suspicious and it forces the wolves to try to pretend to when every villager starts thinking

 

This is one example - he keeps giving advice as to how to play as villager. Kinda reminds me of cory. Slight town indicative. It feels like he has nothing to hide. Plus, by constantly “giving advice” he is sharing his thoughts on how he thinks a villa should play – and I have not seen anything that is wrong. His three posts directly after one another is a bit odd in that it felt like he feels like he should add more and more to clarify – but this doesn’t mean anything alignment to me atm.

 

 

 

Im not saying Pral and Besie cant be v/v.

 

But their interactions and seemingly early Town read on each other makes me think there could certainly be a Wolf between them.

 

 

 

Thread is dead. Throw Zander off the plank.

Again the suss without reasoning.

 

I quoted your vote on me last night.

 

I want you to quote me the raisins you voted for me at the time.

Complaining that you're getting voted isn't much of a defense, you know this.

 

 

Oh I thought I was asking a question.

 

My bad...lolololololol

 

 

There are Wolves trying to push and exploit me splitting time between 2 games but if they think Im going down without a fight, they are sadly sadly mistaken.

Wolf post

 

 

 

 

Then we can talk real time and if youre actually a Villager which I think you may slighty be atp, that you'll see whats what.

We can lynch zander. We can lynch him now.

 

 

It always makes me feel better to know theres someone else as bad as me at this game.

 

 

p30-31

Still catchup thoughts

 

 

 

Couch was comfy. It made me take a nap. 

 

Also 

 

[v]Tiink[/v]

Tink seems fine, just comes across as a generally kinda wolfy dude.

 

Sooh, how are you developing your thoughts?

 

Weird that Darthe is OK with Sooh’s vote on Tiink with all of the #raisins. 

 

This is why I don't play this game

 

I won't fling obscenities but I'm done putting the effort forth

 

Don't really give a crap if you lynch me enjoy turboing your own win equity

 

[V]zander [/v]

 

imo Monstrman has been calm and thoughtful the entire time, until this post of AtE. It’s a bit bizarre and I don’t completely understand why. Also votes zander for #raisins. 

 

It's not even the push from Pral I care about

 

It's the lol from tink

 

Prolly he's just a wolf though

 

So he explains his frustration here, on Tiink. Why is he voting Zander when he’s clearly frustrated at Tiink and says he’ll “run him into the ground” (#590 p30)?

 

I am voting zander right now because his thread presence is incredibly concerningly low

for zander this is not right

 

Okay, and here is his reason. It relates to my recent post about Zander’s activity. It’s still a bit odd to me that Zander’s absence is enough to get a vote when his clear frustration and complete AtE of Tiink is apparently not enough for a vote there. Monstrman/Tiink w/w?

 

Bottom p30 is a lot of support and helpfulness towards Monstrman from Darthe. Even though I agree with all that Darthe said there, it just makes me uncomfortable – to both players. Monstrman/Tiink/Darthe team? That seems too easy.

 

 

Official Coin Count

 

Believer (2): dice, Zander

Zander (2): Calder, manbat

dice (1): Believer

Darthe (1): Besie

Tiinker (1): Sooh

 

Not voting cause all the rum is gone (6): The rest of you wankers.

 

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline:

 

 

Nyn, have I told you I love that you call it a “Coin Count”?

 

 

 

Darthe, you seem to have played with manbat a lot. Is this kind of reaction townie for him?

 

Anyone else who has played with manbat can also let me know.

Its just him in general. Ruins an otherwise good player because he cant keep his emotions in check.

 

 

it really does

 

I've gotten better though

 

 

So you’re saying that outburst are non-alignment indicative for Monstrman? I’ve not been looking at the AtE posts either way but mmm. 

 

 

 

It would also seem that Zander started at the same posts for his catchup so apologies if I repeat stuff he already said.

 

 

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

 

Also dont really see Besie/Monstr being w/w based of this atp.

 

And I still have a slight Villa lean on Besie thus far with all this being said.

[Zander?]

Zander I have said why I am voting you a bunch of times. It is also very clear to me that your off your town game.

 

Very clear how so?

 

Ive asked you questions and voiced concerns youve yet to respond to.

 

Walk me through it quoting me where youre basing your read progression from please?

 

Answer what Ive asked already ITT please.

 

A big concern I have you is it seems youve already decided Im Scum and dont want to bother to see if youre incorrect.

 

And thats not something I normally associate with a Tonwy PoV .

 

 

Either way on the scale of "will this get a wolf lynched" i think "besie's read of monstrman" lands around 1/10 in terms of importance

 

One of the first posts I can recall that pinged me from Monstr.

 

Its just the bravado maybe of him just basically shrugging off Besie;'s concern.

 

Reads a little weird to me but admittedly not the best Monstr reader.

 

I cant imagine a world where anyone except Zander or Nolder gets lynched today.

 

Well irt me

 

glgl

[Guest]

Catchup p37-41

 

Question to Calder in red.

 

 

 

 

 

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed.

 

 

I sometimes - especially when I know I don't have time to catch up fully or when I know it will take me a long time before I'm fully caught up - read the thread in two tabs: one where I catch up and the other one where I have the latest page open so I can see the current discussion and take part in it. This was a case of me catching up but knowing that I was not able to do it fully before I got home later that day and thus checking if anyone had posted in between those catch up posts I made.

 

 

Your reads post makes me believe you are town and I'm not willing to lynch you today.

 

 

I do exactly the same. Seems legit

 

This game didn't move overnight again. But I am blessed for all these town reads.

 

 

 

 

Btw are y'all gonna actually push your suspects? Do you have suspects?

Scum are happy to sit back today. Wait for us to waffle onto a doable, but inevitably incorrect lynch.

 

 

If you’re so sure it’s an incorrect lynch, why do you insist on it? Scummy post. 

 

 

 

Btw are y'all gonna actually push your suspects? Do you have suspects?

Scum are happy to sit back today. Wait for us to waffle onto a doable, but inevitably incorrect lynch.

And by "us" I meant the town players. By "scum" I meant my cohesive crime syndicate. Key word being "my." I am its leader. A great one, on the local scene anyway. But, I have national, no...strike that; international ambitions.

The kind of ambitions that draws attention. Lots of eyes on me. I am looking to impress.

 

 

Yeah, I see your need to clarify. Scummy.

 

I also want people to look at how Zander responded to my accusations. He shrugged it off and said I had "no raisins."

From a standard player, sure. That is a conservative way to respond as eithet alignment. But, ask yourself what town Zander does 90% of the time. He comes back hard at that person. Showers them in posts. Often bumps them to the top of his suspect list and maybe votes them. Yet, he goes with the shrug off.

Not town Zander. Not in this game.

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Could you please quote these posts you are talking about?

 

Tbh z votes aren't bad as his heart isn't in it and he is doing that thing where he focuses on one piece of a post and neglects the rest.

That said, thoughts on dice and monstr would be good to see.

 

On Dice I’m currently not entirely certain. I did not get any scummy vibes but he’s been awfully one-track minded. Going slightly more scummy than town for now.

 

Monstrman was one of the people I was most certain about as being probably town, but a few things he did sketched me out. In total still more towny than scum for now.

 

 

 

 

Would I vote Negp?

Yes you would other Barry. Yes. You. Would.

If you think I'm scum, go ahead.

I'd prefer lynching actual scum though.

Wolfy that you felt the need to add this on tbh

 

 

Agreed with Darthe here. Same as to why I thought the 4^th quote in this post was scummy.

 

Come at me scum bros

 

Even though I currently think Calder is one of the scummiest people in the game, I like the tone of this post.

 

 

 

Zander if you're town I need you to not be phoning it in right now

I need you here doing your zander thing maeng

 

It's only 11h35 for him atm

 

@Besie, I believe it's at least v/x with believer being town no matter what zander flips

 

Mmm ok. Why is your read on Believer so strong? If you've already answered then i'll read over it as i'm going so don't worry about it

 

Believer came off well in that convo and I haven't seen anything that would make me think he's scum. But I also acknowledge that I lack the meta so my read on him is not 100% sure. But like I've said, for now I believe him to be town.

 

 

I really liked this answer

 

 

 

Zander
Nolder
Sooh

^^^^^Scum team - feel great about the top 2.

Could you please explain Sooh?

Sooh is all feel for me. She is playing a good game, in that I dont think it differs from her town one that much. It just feels off to me. Like a knockoff designer handbag trying to be passed off as the real deal. Sure it looks the same. But, that logo is busted.

 

 

I also really like that Calder is going against the general flow of the thread. It feels town alignment to me. I might just move him slightly away from scummiest to just could be scum.

 

 

It's also worth noting that the whole Darthe-Calder comfort with one another is making me really uncomfortable - especially since it's only D1.

 

 

[Believer]

I'm back, have read/skimmed most of the thread.

 

Are you guys still lynching Zander? Stop that.

[Guest]

I'm back, have read/skimmed most of the thread.

 

Are you guys still lynching Zander? Stop that.

 

+1

[monstrman]

Zander you may question me at points as a villager but you never read me wrong

 

Idk why everyone says "I'm not a good monstrman reader"

 

You are. I just also happen to be somewhat good at replicating my village game as a wolf, but that doesn't matter because you guys can all generally tell almost immediately when I am a villager