Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Shad_]

Like I just imagine how deflated Scum!Kat would be after Hellion Mega Power PR lynch, then,....next morning BOOM John Snow gets got.

 

I guess that prolly applies to Scum anyone but still lolololololol.

That was my reason for wtl Ocicat in JC. Inactives gonna inactive. :\

 

I mean you know town!Kat gets mislynched on weekends for her inactivity.  Cory just did it.

 

I think her EoD behavior is highly suspicious, and being sent to Tel against her will makes sense for her as scum based on my POE.  Those are the big things, for me.

[dicetosser1]

what kinda bugs me is that it feels like we have barely been told anything that was talked about in the other QT.

 

am i the only one thinking this?  i feel like im missing the a few pages of a book.

[Shad_]

What I didnt realise  til later was that she responded to me saying can I  do it.  Im not mafia and i didnt say can MAFIA do it.

I'm massively confident that you're town, but this would be a rofl slip for post-game if you aren't.

[dicetosser1]

shad  how does getting sent to TAT against her will only make sense for mafia??

 

Do you mean that only mafia would make her do that? or that mafia overrode her wishes? 

 

 

that sentence is makeing me scrat5ch my head

[dicetosser1]

lol that was no slip

[Zander?]

 

Like I just imagine how deflated Scum!Kat would be after Hellion Mega Power PR lynch, then,....next morning BOOM John Snow gets got.

 

I guess that prolly applies to Scum anyone but still lolololololol.

That was my reason for wtl Ocicat in JC. Inactives gonna inactive. :\

 

I mean you know town!Kat gets mislynched on weekends for her inactivity.  Cory just did it.

 

I think her EoD behavior is highly suspicious, and being sent to Tel against her will makes sense for her as scum based on my POE.  Those are the big things, for me.

 

 

I dunno I just have trouble thinking Town!Kat isnt more invested and involved.

 

No one denied her inactivity in the QT, she was on DM yet didnt pop in after flip and was vc'ing that night with us.

 

I just cant see this making any sense to me,

 

So if im understanding the bold a town pr old scum kat in?

[Zander?]

FML

 

pulled not old

 

i just prolly sleep but w/e

[Zander?]

i give up

[dicetosser1]

zander just gave up! lets lynch him! Thats not Town Zander meta lolololololololol

[Zander?]

zander just gave up! lets lynch him! Thats not Town Zander meta lolololololololol

 

You going to bed soon????

 

lololololololol

[dicetosser1]

nope!  but you are!!!!!!!!

[Shad_]

Anyway, Shad...what do you think of Kat's vote on Believer after JS voted him? She immediately changed to Hellian, but there was definitely an attempt to go there. Maybe if they had got one more vote, the scum could have executed Believer

Pretty much.

 

Or just generic scum overextending to protect a team mate. Her and JS took jabs at each other but she never tried to push the lynch onto him though he was the third option. I would expect a villager who has issues with a Hellian lynch to consider this option, especially when votes peel off of JS close to deadline just as they're starting to get wolf vibes.

 

Also consider:

 

Marsh - I don't think i'll ever be able to read him on D1. Or maybe ever... Both games I've played with him he's looked fairly similar and seemed scum, but last game I know he was town so maybe i'm just reading him wrong.

7. John Snow - I had forgotten he was here.

Kat is a notoriously indecisive D1 villager, but I think she generally pays attention. I don't know how she has gone about assessing Iron without realizing Snow is in the game when a ton of Iron's early content was pushing Snow.

 

And she was cool with giving Believer more time at this point.

 

Doesn't comment on JS again until they both have that little go at each other close to EoD.

 

 

12. Believer - Don't really know how to take him. He was very..... carefree last game but I don't think that's his normal game. I think he had a IDC attitude because he could be mod cleared at any time. He has been very absent from thread, but he did explain and I"m willing to give more time.

I mean I hate D1 but I still try to put SOME effort into it. Not putting any effort into ANY day is just not very pro-town... I"m kinda wanting to vote Believer...

Not sure how she gets from A to B here. First post was 2:30pm on the 21st, next post was 3:11pm on the 22nd, no comment on Believer in between.  During that time he hadn't done much besides some brief answers on why he wanted to lynch JS, but that's more than Kat's "Who?" irt the JS slot.  During that same time, all Hellian had done was briefly reiterate her meh point about Zander.  Probably worth noting that Hellian hadn't simply afk'd since Kat's initial comments.  She came back, and did basically exactly as little as Believer.

[Shad_]

That post started out as a straight answer and turned into more casing. 

[Shad_]

shad  how does getting sent to TAT against her will only make sense for mafia??

 

Do you mean that only mafia would make her do that? or that mafia overrode her wishes? 

 

 

that sentence is makeing me scrat5ch my head

 

I think there might have been no wolves in the Stedding because w/w/w trains is unlikely and everyone else was villagery.

 

If Kat is a wolf who got targeted by a town PR D1 for her sketch play close to EoD, no wolves in the Stedding answers "but why would wolves send no one there?".  It fits my POE.

 

That's what I meant by it.

[Shad_]

Counterpoint to #1637 that Believer was explicitly asking for more time while Hellian wasn't even trying.  That was a major determining factor in why I preferred to lynch Hellian, but I don't know what sets off Kat's bells and whistles.

 

It's still pretty sketch

[Shad_]

Mind-boggling that people are still calling me their second or third suspect.

[Shad_]

It makes me honestly a little disappointed in the state of Mafia here that my village game in full force is considered suspicious nowadays. 

 

I mean unless you're all wolves, but you can't all be and it's entirely possible none of you are.

 

I had to hard claim D1 in Lost and I could have probably been mislynched in Overwatch but Cory knew I'd have taken him down with me.

 

Wolf game has never looked like this.  Not even close.  No one cares anymore.  My reads might be awful for all I know, but without people like me and Zander you wouldn't have content to assess in the first place.

[Shad_]

He is being so sarcastic here....I've never seen him this sarcastic as town

Hi, I'm Shad. Have we met?

[BFG]

D2 Votecount

 

 

Kat (2): Pral, Zass

 

Believer (2): Dice, Darthe

 

Darthe (2): Believer, Hallia

 

Not Voting (5): Ironeyes, Katiora, Shad_, Tiinker, WiFi

 

 

You have until phase change to decide where to stay the night

[Shad_]

 

*nodnod*

 

I'm honestly tempted to just go ahead and vote Darthe.  His response here to get super aggressive and name calling is unlike his town play.

 

Can you elaborate on your thoughts here?  Like the significance of context etc.  Because I think we've all seen Darthe be aggressive and call people names.

 

 

Didn't see an answer on this.  Halli?

[Shad_]

Caught up, going to bed, still wtl Kat as things stand.

[Shad_]

 

I wasnt even referring to the action itself it was the PURE CONJECTURE part and on.

 

Life she was aware what she was saying and had to defend it.

 

Like a Towny isnt has worried about that kind of comment where Scum likely would be.

Fair and easily resolved. Did you check to see if she does this as a villager?

 

I can after I'm caught up.

 

 

forgot to do this, remind me if I don't tomorrow

[Shad_]

My top two picks would be shad/darthe. Although this is just gut feel ... i haven't gone back and reread the game in detail.

Falling asleep as I type here but from what I found you had Darthe in your top villagers and me mixed last you mentioned us. Can you explain these reads?

[Tiinker]

TLDR

 

Tink and Kat can be w/w imo.

 

Tink votes John Snow early D1 then says John gets better as he goes along.  Doesnt want any part of the Hellian lynch.  Then switches off John Snow to Believer.  Could be some distancing there with John.

 

Then his Kat posts awe awkward.

 

He leaves 4 people in his reads list PoE and is willing to lynch all but Kat...for raisins?

I left her out because it seemed that the other 3 were a lot more scummy. Also I was pushing the JS lynch and people had already stated they were feeling better about him before I did.

[Tiinker]

 

TLDR

 

Tink and Kat can be w/w imo.

 

Tink votes John Snow early D1 then says John gets better as he goes along.  Doesnt want any part of the Hellian lynch.  Then switches off John Snow to Believer.  Could be some distancing there with John.

 

Then his Kat posts awe awkward.

 

He leaves 4 people in his reads list PoE and is willing to lynch all but Kat...for raisins?

His Kat reasoning is basically: since the scum roles revealed so far only work in Tel, an ability that pulls people to Tel would have more scum than town utility, so it seems like likely that a wolf targeted Kat? I think? Tiink confirm?

 

I don't really get the relevance of dreamwalker characters being villagers?

 

It makes way too many assumptions based on three flips, though I can get a basic 'scum has an ability to pull town to Tel to guarantee utility of the strongman shot later in the game', I guess.

 

I'd say it's weird, at any rate.

 

His switch from Snow to Believer is clean enough.  Hellian was afk and would know she's up for a lynch by the vote count if/when she got back.  Believer was present to actually talk to us so a vote there had more utility.  If it was a wolf switching from distancing to a town mislynch attempt, he covered his tracks well enough for it to be a rational villager play.  His push on Pral has an OMGUS undertone but he backs off later, which isn't a bad look for him if Pral's a villager.  Wolves need excuses to lynch villagers, Pral's an easy mislynch for low volume + reputation as a tricky wolf, scum inclination when most people are misreading you and you've found an excuse to push a future mislynch is to latch onto it.

 

He called out Wifi for the exact same reason I did because he failed to read her comments below the read list at a glance, just like I did.  Mindmeld of sorts, can't hate it.

 

Meh, I'll never hate a peek on Tiink but I don't think he's wolfy here.  His reason for excluding Kat is kind of weird and he doesn't consider her vote progression, but we don't even know Kat's flip yet and I'd be getting way ahead of myself to focus down that.

 

 

Basically. The Dreamwalkers things was that Dreamwalkers can bring people into TAR and they're town characters for the most part but not really relevant enough to include in a theme game.