[Basic] Disney Heroes vs. Villains Mafia C9++ Town Wins

[Shad_]

 

[v]Tiink[/v]

 

Of the three that wagoned me for BS policy lynch reasons, Tiink had the least reason to considering the context.

 

He gets grilled first.

 

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Belieber[/v]

 

I'm much more interested in pursuing this line of thought as it is.

 

The others will be sorted accordingly as the game unfolds.

 

 

I'm pretty sure you didn't interact with Tiink even once between these two posts (unless I missed it in the ISO). Not much of a "grilling". You also imply that he wouldn't be the only one you'd be grilling via your theory, by labeling him the first. So you can appreciate how the lack of follow up is.... questionable.

 

Was this ever addressed?

[Nynaeve]

nope

[Celeste]

In my catch ups, I didn't see any interactions between Andrej and Tinker. Then again I did kind of speed read.

[Shad_]

For a meta reference point, these were the early game posts that had me wanting to lynch town!Believer for a long time in Star Fox. His comments are in bold. Posting style has changed but I don't think his mentality in that game is drastically different from how he went at Penny early:

 

 

 

 

I like NAC so far, slight town lean.

Really?

 

His posts actually struck me as buddying and then doing a poor job of covering it up.

 

If having a town read and stating it in the thread is buddying, sure. What post of mine is it that you see as covering up anything?

 

Your whole exchange regarding the questions to moderator in the thread.

 

The fact that you ask for a specific post rather than more generally asking what was wrong is deeply scummy to me. Your reaction to this reads to me like: I screwed up, where did I screw up?! Tell me!.

 

[v]NAC[/v]

 

 

 

How does anything in that exchange seem to you like I'm covering up something?

 

That's why I asked for specific post, since something must have given you the impression, but I can't see what that would had been. So it's interesting to see if it's something you're just making up because you think it sounds good, or if there's actually something you can point out.

I'll indulge you with an example post.

 

You seem to be covering up that you made a tell on someone with weak info from thread. Of course scum would know an innocent so clearing them early gives easy townie-points. You made a town read with poor information and got called for it.

In the post above [removed for broken tags] it looks as if you think that the question-to-mod-in-thread dance should be done every game and that the first person who does it gets a townie read, but once it has been pointed out it doesn't apply anymore.

 

All in all, reads scum to me.

 

[Hallia]

They were teammates this last BT game (AJ and Tiink that is)

[Cass]

For a meta reference point, these were the early game posts that had me wanting to lynch town!Believer for a long time in Star Fox. His comments are in bold. Posting style has changed but I don't think his mentality in that game is drastically different from how he went at Penny early: 

 

 

 

I like NAC so far, slight town lean.

Really?His posts actually struck me as buddying and then doing a poor job of covering it up.

If having a town read and stating it in the thread is buddying, sure. What post of mine is it that you see as covering up anything?

Your whole exchange regarding the questions to moderator in the thread.The fact that you ask for a specific post rather than more generally asking what was wrong is deeply scummy to me. Your reaction to this reads to me like: I screwed up, where did I screw up?! Tell me!.[v]NAC[/v]

 

How does anything in that exchange seem to you like I'm covering up something?That's why I asked for specific post, since something must have given you the impression, but I can't see what that would had been. So it's interesting to see if it's something you're just making up because you think it sounds good, or if there's actually something you can point out.

I'll indulge you with an example post.You seem to be covering up that you made a tell on someone with weak info from thread. Of course scum would know an innocent so clearing them early gives easy townie-points. You made a town read with poor information and got called for it.In the post above [removed for broken tags] it looks as if you think that the question-to-mod-in-thread dance should be done every game and that the first person who does it gets a townie read, but once it has been pointed out it doesn't apply anymore.All in all, reads scum to me.

I think there's a key difference though. There he started with interaction ITT/voicing a single hunch before voting. And then he fleshed out his thoughts directly with NAC and I don't think he ever pushed hard for others to vote that way either.

 

His case on Penny didn't happen like that at all and read as more agenda driven. I still can't figure out if that was scummy or an aggressive Town way of driving the game forward. He seemed serious about pushing votes her way. It bothers me that he did this so strongly knowing Penny's meta as 'scummy when Town'/easy mislynch.

[Shad_]

I don't see that post or follow up with a scum chat happening. Of course it may have happened quickly so no comments would have occurred in the scum chat, but I just see Wifi as being more careful as scum, and if she was scum and knew that we (darooh) isn't on her team she would have seen that it was a joke.

When you're wolfing you look for reasons to call villagers scummy. If you can get into your own head at all you try to call out those things that would have actually pinged you as a villager. Wifi had a mentor QT with BFG and still called out this sort of stuff as a villager last game--I don't think having a scum QT would have stopped her.  If I was her scum mate and she asked me whether she should make that post I would have given it my full approval.  Hell I might have even told her to do it before it ever crossed her own mind, because it's easy and totally in line with her village meta and most of the players in this game are familiar with her village game.

 

Absolutely the post was a good look for her, but I want to see a trend over time.

[Celeste]

@Shad thoughts on Lenlo?

[Shad_]

I mean I guess he could have been bold enough to think "I'll see if this village is dumb enough to just let me shout my way to victory and if they aren't I'll just back off before there's time for much backlash" but in that case I'd expect him to be more open and willing to roll with suggestions that he was doing it for reactions.  The baseline of taking a strong stance and extracting an agenda from weak material is the same.  IIRC there was no opportunity for follow-throw because the game had accumulated the equivalent of like 300 DM pages by the time he showed back up again.

[Shad_]

@Shad thoughts on Lenlo?

 

Still catching up but if he's still sitting on his hands I'm going to be pretty meh.

[Celeste]

 

For a meta reference point, these were the early game posts that had me wanting to lynch town!Believer for a long time in Star Fox. His comments are in bold. Posting style has changed but I don't think his mentality in that game is drastically different from how he went at Penny early: 

 

 

 

I like NAC so far, slight town lean.

Really?His posts actually struck me as buddying and then doing a poor job of covering it up.

If having a town read and stating it in the thread is buddying, sure. What post of mine is it that you see as covering up anything?

Your whole exchange regarding the questions to moderator in the thread.The fact that you ask for a specific post rather than more generally asking what was wrong is deeply scummy to me. Your reaction to this reads to me like: I screwed up, where did I screw up?! Tell me!.[v]NAC[/v]

 

How does anything in that exchange seem to you like I'm covering up something?That's why I asked for specific post, since something must have given you the impression, but I can't see what that would had been. So it's interesting to see if it's something you're just making up because you think it sounds good, or if there's actually something you can point out.

I'll indulge you with an example post.You seem to be covering up that you made a tell on someone with weak info from thread. Of course scum would know an innocent so clearing them early gives easy townie-points. You made a town read with poor information and got called for it.In the post above [removed for broken tags] it looks as if you think that the question-to-mod-in-thread dance should be done every game and that the first person who does it gets a townie read, but once it has been pointed out it doesn't apply anymore.All in all, reads scum to me.

I think there's a key difference though. There he started with interaction ITT/voicing a single hunch before voting. And then he fleshed out his thoughts directly with NAC and I don't think he ever pushed hard for others to vote that way either.

His case on Penny didn't happen like that at all and read as more agenda driven. I still can't figure out if that was scummy or an aggressive Town way of driving the game forward. He seemed serious about pushing votes her way. It bothers me that he did this so strongly knowing Penny's meta as 'scummy when Town'/easy mislynch.

I take any pushes of me in these categories

1. It's Alette/Celeste/Penny/random nickname of me she's an easy lynch! Proceeds to push.

2. Who is this player?! Every thing she says is scummy. *votes with reason*

3. It's *place the names in bullet one*, I NEVER UNDERSTAND HER! I'm going to lynch her for the sake of my own sanity and town.

[Celeste]

 

 

For a meta reference point, these were the early game posts that had me wanting to lynch town!Believer for a long time in Star Fox. His comments are in bold. Posting style has changed but I don't think his mentality in that game is drastically different from how he went at Penny early: 

 

 

 

I like NAC so far, slight town lean.

Really?His posts actually struck me as buddying and then doing a poor job of covering it up.

If having a town read and stating it in the thread is buddying, sure. What post of mine is it that you see as covering up anything?

Your whole exchange regarding the questions to moderator in the thread.The fact that you ask for a specific post rather than more generally asking what was wrong is deeply scummy to me. Your reaction to this reads to me like: I screwed up, where did I screw up?! Tell me!.[v]NAC[/v]

 

How does anything in that exchange seem to you like I'm covering up something?That's why I asked for specific post, since something must have given you the impression, but I can't see what that would had been. So it's interesting to see if it's something you're just making up because you think it sounds good, or if there's actually something you can point out.

I'll indulge you with an example post.You seem to be covering up that you made a tell on someone with weak info from thread. Of course scum would know an innocent so clearing them early gives easy townie-points. You made a town read with poor information and got called for it.In the post above [removed for broken tags] it looks as if you think that the question-to-mod-in-thread dance should be done every game and that the first person who does it gets a townie read, but once it has been pointed out it doesn't apply anymore.All in all, reads scum to me.

I think there's a key difference though. There he started with interaction ITT/voicing a single hunch before voting. And then he fleshed out his thoughts directly with NAC and I don't think he ever pushed hard for others to vote that way either.

His case on Penny didn't happen like that at all and read as more agenda driven. I still can't figure out if that was scummy or an aggressive Town way of driving the game forward. He seemed serious about pushing votes her way. It bothers me that he did this so strongly knowing Penny's meta as 'scummy when Town'/easy mislynch.

I take any pushes of me in these categories

1. It's Alette/Celeste/Penny/random nickname of me she's an easy lynch! Proceeds to push.

2. Who is this player?! Every thing she says is scummy. *votes with reason*

3. It's *place the names in bullet one*, I NEVER UNDERSTAND HER! I'm going to lynch her for the sake of my own sanity and town.

I forgot to say that I think believer is in bullet 1 or 2 which is why he is null until more info can be obtained.

[Celeste]

But given how he has only played one game with me bullet 1 is the most accurate and usually used by scum or for ahaha Alette is <3 but going to lynch her to humor myself. Ok this is seriously not proactive for me.

[Celeste]

 

@Shad thoughts on Lenlo?

 

 

Still catching up but if he's still sitting on his hands I'm going to be pretty meh.

he did say that his vote on me is comfy.

[Shad_]

We all remember how well wolves trying to lynch you D1 of Star Fox panned out. 

[Celeste]

We all remember how well wolves trying to lynch you D1 of Star Fox panned out. 

I know >.> and I really just channeled my inner Lenore/mooni.

[Shad_]

I still kind of think you're a villager.

 

You would never lie to me, would you Penny?

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Sooh

 

I just noticed, you have me as slight town or something of the like.

 

Why is that?

 

Feel free, if you want, to wait with answering this until you've read the entire thread.

I haven't seen anything up until page 44 which has made me think you're scummy. I am pretty ready now, 15 pages after I made that short reads list, to promote both you, Shander and Cass to my village as I've seen nothing to change my earlier vibes. 

 

 

5 townies + ourself in one sitting? Good one!

 

 

Correct me if im wrong but last game didnt it take you quite awhile to get early reads???

 

You were Town there as well iirc.

 

Define "quite a while". This game has been going on for a couple of days without me, and I've had the luxury of coming in late and being able to read a large chunk of the game in one sitting. That helps me, because I'm not consumed with the now. I can see thoughts forming much more easily when I get to read a larger portion of someone's thoughts. I tend to do better with my reads as a replacement in games or like now, coming in late.

 

 

Like i dunno having five seemingly decent town reads d1?

 

Why not?

 

Just because some games I'm struggling doesn't mean I have to struggle every game.

 

 

 

 

Perhaps.

 

*bangs head against #Zanderwall for the umpteenth time*

[Sooh]

 

 

@Zander apparently the Sooh/Derf vote on Believer was a welcome vote she did when the game started. Just a fyi.

Yeah, I saw Darthe attempted to vote Celeste later on, but he didn't unvote. That's what caused her to vote us I guess.

wtf, darthe voting me had nothing to do with my vote on you guys. In fact my vote on him was a few hours later and basically for his tone at the time. This is just shade. Still catching up.

 

"A few hours later" is not really something I look for on first readthrough. The vote back looked omgus.

[Celeste]

I still kind of think you're a villager.

 

You would never lie to me, would you Penny?

never, your too awesome <3

[Shad_]

 

I still kind of think you're a villager.

 

You would never lie to me, would you Penny?

never, your too awesome <3

 

 

I've got you so pocketed girl.

 

[Celeste]

 

 

 

@Zander apparently the Sooh/Derf vote on Believer was a welcome vote she did when the game started. Just a fyi.

 

Yeah, I saw Darthe attempted to vote Celeste later on, but he didn't unvote. That's what caused her to vote us I guess.

wtf, darthe voting me had nothing to do with my vote on you guys. In fact my vote on him was a few hours later and basically for his tone at the time. This is just shade. Still catching up.

"A few hours later" is not really something I look for on first readthrough. The vote back looked omgus.

first of all an OMGUS imo is a vote done immediately or in a couple minutes that is naked with no reasoning. That is an OMGUS.

[Cass]

He was also very clear on giving people time before he jumped in with judgment at the beginning of Star Fox. Could be a confidence/game difference thing, could be alignment.

 

Aaand the style of approach changed _after_ the differences between here and StarFox were pointed out.

 

OTOH his approach with Dice and Sili does follow a similar format to NAC vote/Star Fox. And I can totally understand the play styles of all three of the players he's reading scum as pingy, especially before you've seen them repeatedly play that way.

 

But he's also not considering input on any of them from others though after his cases/votes and that bothers me. ?Personality or alignment driven there?

[Celeste]

It kind of reminds me of the boldness of Frog when he is mafia at times.

[Shad_]

What do you think of his approach to Sooh?