[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Niniel]

I see that I´m still in the lead. I´ll be gone for an hour. Don´t lynch me before that please. 

[Sili Quirrels]

i'm going to peace out for real now. i need to focus on something i dont really wanna focus on but i need to.

[wish-tree]

I didn't actually start out trying to go after seph.....I read his posts

 

Because I had him as an initial town read, I was more willing to excuse some of the things he'd done, but I am not seeing the same Seph that I was scum against during the Star Fox mash

[seph]

oh well lel

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3663552

 

continuing on, what I meant by consistency is how you arrived at your sili read from voting him and telling him to shape up, and then saying you were too lazy to unvote him once you started to read him as town. I can't read your mind, but what I see from your posts is no explanation of this thought progression.

 

That's what I took issue with.

well I arrived on my sili read based entirely off of tone and meta. which I convey itt. So saying you don't understand it is one thing, but saying you can't see my progression is pretty silli

[seph]

I didn't actually start out trying to go after seph.....I read his posts

 

Because I had him as an initial town read, I was more willing to excuse some of the things he'd done, but I am not seeing the same Seph that I was scum against during the Star Fox mash

so your telling me you were paying that much attention to my town play when you were scum? I highly doubt it, but anyways what exactly is different because I was vt in that game as well.

[Sili Quirrels]

let's be real here about my meta.

 

stork is going to have a vastly different impression of my meta than anyone else because he's seen me play on pog and i play different there because it's a different community.

 

that said however, it is true i can't post as much as a wolf. but thankfully sometimes i don't post a lot as a villager.

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

 

Im confused on how you town read someone off of two alignments you actually have no idea about.

seems like she is trying to find a reason to actually read niniel town.

It's a associative read, wherein I think it's verryyyy veryyyy likely that someone does not treat their scum partner in a certain way. 

 

Or, if it's very likely that two people are scum and the third person they are pushing or who is pushing against them is then town.

 

I understand that, but with niniel on the block here it makes more of a difference. You are town reading her solely based off of me and zanders play, which is pretty terrible since I know I am town, and I feel very strongly that zander is town

 

I'm not sure if you get what unflipped associatives are, but essentially, without having read other peoples' stuff, I'm making comments on what I think is likely based off of that. Does that make sense?

 

I'm focused on you right now, not niniel, but if I go through and draw out potential connections, when I get to her ISO, then I'll be able to make sense of it.

 

I do understand, but you literally call niniel TOWN based off me and zanders play, am i wrong?

below are some association reads, when you call me and z possible w/w.

 

but the niniel read you clearly call her town from basing a read off me and zander, which you have no idea how either of us should flip. so how does that make niniel probably town

 

Right now from you and Zander's side, you are not treating niniel like a scum buddy, and I have you both as scum. Therefore, she's MOST LIKELY TOWN.

 

From Niniel's side, I haven't exactly read how she treats you, so I am not as sure, but her doggedness in going after Zander makes me think that she is never teamed with him. There are harder associations to make with certain people such as Zander, who will do things you never expect mafia to do to their own partner, so I'm more cautious about that.

 

I'm pretty sure this is also a site culture thing you might have problems with. If you remember visorslash from Star Fox, he came in with a bunch of associative reads. It helps us narrow down the worlds there are, but there are definitely ways for scum to work around that, which is why you need to be able to make the associative reads from both ends.

[Darthe]

Im confused on how you town read someone off of two alignments you actually have no idea about.

seems like she is trying to find a reason to actually read niniel town.

You cant, but she has an idea.

 

Its just maybe wrong. That said, that she is progressing under assumptions of acccuracy and using that to make other deductions shows that she is thinking things through and abstracting a bit which is hard to fake, has lots of layers, and most importantly seems to show that she doesnt know our alignments.

[Darthe]

[unvote]

[v]wish[/v]

..... Am I really just not in the same thread the rest of you are?

[dicetosser1]

someone tell em where we are up to and when vc is? i just got up  eyes arnt even open yet

[Katiora]

someone tell em where we are up to and when vc is? i just got up  eyes arnt even open yet

 

We are up to nothing... everyone keeps flip flopping votes and I don't remember the vote count... it keeps changing.. *sighs* 

[Darthe]

Why is seph cropping back up and not addressing his lynch here?

 

Reminder: he claimed vt and pulled some huge AtE then vanished

[Darthe]

Vc on last page

[dicetosser1]

time to dl?

[seph]

 

 

 

 

 

Im confused on how you town read someone off of two alignments you actually have no idea about.

seems like she is trying to find a reason to actually read niniel town.

It's a associative read, wherein I think it's verryyyy veryyyy likely that someone does not treat their scum partner in a certain way. 

 

Or, if it's very likely that two people are scum and the third person they are pushing or who is pushing against them is then town.

 

I understand that, but with niniel on the block here it makes more of a difference. You are town reading her solely based off of me and zanders play, which is pretty terrible since I know I am town, and I feel very strongly that zander is town

 

I'm not sure if you get what unflipped associatives are, but essentially, without having read other peoples' stuff, I'm making comments on what I think is likely based off of that. Does that make sense?

 

I'm focused on you right now, not niniel, but if I go through and draw out potential connections, when I get to her ISO, then I'll be able to make sense of it.

 

I do understand, but you literally call niniel TOWN based off me and zanders play, am i wrong?

below are some association reads, when you call me and z possible w/w.

 

but the niniel read you clearly call her town from basing a read off me and zander, which you have no idea how either of us should flip. so how does that make niniel probably town

 

Right now from you and Zander's side, you are not treating niniel like a scum buddy, and I have you both as scum. Therefore, she's MOST LIKELY TOWN.

 

From Niniel's side, I haven't exactly read how she treats you, so I am not as sure, but her doggedness in going after Zander makes me think that she is never teamed with him. There are harder associations to make with certain people such as Zander, who will do things you never expect mafia to do to their own partner, so I'm more cautious about that.

 

I'm pretty sure this is also a site culture thing you might have problems with. If you remember visorslash from Star Fox, he came in with a bunch of associative reads. It helps us narrow down the worlds there are, but there are definitely ways for scum to work around that, which is why you need to be able to make the associative reads from both ends.

 

Im sorry but the niniel read is a bit much for a association read, I just don't see it.

the bold, how would I treat a scum buddy exactly? niniel is in my wtl, and most of my town reads were voting there already. I would just highly prefer to lynch some people over her currenty.

visor also never called someone town because two unknown alignments made x person look better.  I could currently say that about half the game but it literally holds no weight. tbh it looks like your either protecting niniel, or know she would flip town with that post

[Katiora]

time to dl?

2 and a halfish hours

[seph]

Why is seph cropping back up and not addressing his lynch here?

 

Reminder: he claimed vt and pulled some huge AtE then vanished

how have I vanished, are you reading the thread?

[dicetosser1]

im goin back to bed then   its 5am and i have a headache

[dicetosser1]

back in an hr

[wish-tree]

 

I didn't actually start out trying to go after seph.....I read his posts

 

Because I had him as an initial town read, I was more willing to excuse some of the things he'd done, but I am not seeing the same Seph that I was scum against during the Star Fox mash

so your telling me you were paying that much attention to my town play when you were scum? I highly doubt it, but anyways what exactly is different because I was vt in that game as well.

 

Of course I did, I had to hard defend you because I intended to pocket you, and not all the other townies were buying it.

 

here's a link to all seph's posts from that game:

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/search.php?searchid=305883

 

hope you have an MU account because I'm not going to multiquote them here

 

In this game, you dropped off the fluff a lot sooner than you did in Star Fox. You came in kind of lost in Star Fox, which I get because you were unused to the atmosphere and not knowing anyone else there. You didn't use meta to read the people you knew there, and you made a lot of reads that weren't based off of tone or just meta. 

 

I know what you are capable of as town seph, you questioned my progressions on peope near end game and had me really scared that you were going to flip on me and shoot me, but you were open to being persuaded and influenced by other people. 

 

Here, you're very preset in your ideas of your reads, and not malleable. I don't see the same progressions that you demonstrated in Star Fox, and you're a lot less organic in your treatment of players and the thread itself. 

[keyholder21]

For dice: 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Niniel (4) - Hallia, Zander, Katiora, Lenlo

Lenlo (3) - alannalynn, Niniel, Clov

Seph (3) - Darthe, Besie, dice,

Liz (1) - Seph

Wistork (1) - Sili

 

Not Voting (4) - BFG, Lily, Lizabeth, Wistork

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. 

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST
 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

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[v]wish[/v]

..... Am I really just not in the same thread the rest of you are?

 

you know the fact wish is making pre-flip association reads 100 pages in about a competitive wagon that's been posting recently?

 

not exactly a reason to think she's town.

[seph]

@ darthe I really don't have anything to address about my lynch, there isn't anything there really. I understand its d1, and most of the stuff is going to be nitpicky. but most of it is peoples interpretation of my post vs its meaning. I can sit here and argue with you if you want, but I have found it to be pretty pointless. or I can try to help solve the game, so If I do get lynched I can help the town in some way.

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im confused on how you town read someone off of two alignments you actually have no idea about.

seems like she is trying to find a reason to actually read niniel town.

It's a associative read, wherein I think it's verryyyy veryyyy likely that someone does not treat their scum partner in a certain way. 

 

Or, if it's very likely that two people are scum and the third person they are pushing or who is pushing against them is then town.

 

I understand that, but with niniel on the block here it makes more of a difference. You are town reading her solely based off of me and zanders play, which is pretty terrible since I know I am town, and I feel very strongly that zander is town

 

I'm not sure if you get what unflipped associatives are, but essentially, without having read other peoples' stuff, I'm making comments on what I think is likely based off of that. Does that make sense?

 

I'm focused on you right now, not niniel, but if I go through and draw out potential connections, when I get to her ISO, then I'll be able to make sense of it.

 

I do understand, but you literally call niniel TOWN based off me and zanders play, am i wrong?

below are some association reads, when you call me and z possible w/w.

 

but the niniel read you clearly call her town from basing a read off me and zander, which you have no idea how either of us should flip. so how does that make niniel probably town

 

Right now from you and Zander's side, you are not treating niniel like a scum buddy, and I have you both as scum. Therefore, she's MOST LIKELY TOWN.

 

From Niniel's side, I haven't exactly read how she treats you, so I am not as sure, but her doggedness in going after Zander makes me think that she is never teamed with him. There are harder associations to make with certain people such as Zander, who will do things you never expect mafia to do to their own partner, so I'm more cautious about that.

 

I'm pretty sure this is also a site culture thing you might have problems with. If you remember visorslash from Star Fox, he came in with a bunch of associative reads. It helps us narrow down the worlds there are, but there are definitely ways for scum to work around that, which is why you need to be able to make the associative reads from both ends.

 

Im sorry but the niniel read is a bit much for a association read, I just don't see it.

the bold, how would I treat a scum buddy exactly? niniel is in my wtl, and most of my town reads were voting there already. I would just highly prefer to lynch some people over her currenty.

visor also never called someone town because two unknown alignments made x person look better.  I could currently say that about half the game but it literally holds no weight. tbh it looks like your either protecting niniel, or know she would flip town with that post

 

I'm not protecting niniel, nor do I know her alignment.

 

uhhhh

 

I do this kind of read all the time. Here's an example from yesterday:

 

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/2335-Twosday-Turbo-GO?p=371371#post371371

 

by this point, no one had flipped

 

I actually never do this kind of post after someone flips, it's not helpful for me

[wish-tree]

also pretty much perfect play from me if I do say so myself c: even for a turbo