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  On 6/7/2016 at 10:14 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:00 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:59 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, Lenlo said:

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive.

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?

dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.

-_______-

 

i mean i don't know if he throws his hands up in the air and says screw it. i haven't done anything to him besides ignore his request for reads.

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  On 6/7/2016 at 10:21 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:05 PM, Zander said:

Pg 56-

 

I honestly dont know how much more Sili/Lenlo I can handle. Its jut making things more confusing for me.

 

I kinda wanna say its T/T but Im not committing to that.

 

fwiw I feel Sili>Lenlo to be Town thus far.

I agree with this post

 

 

What do you know....me too!!!!!

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:22 PM, Katiora said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:18 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:16 PM, keyholder21 said:

Mod Announcement:

 

Besie will be replacing Thane.

Hi Besie!!!!!

And another one Zander can't read lol

 

 

I was right last game tho....

 

sadface,gif

Posted

Tbh z I've not given this enough focus to have a totally independent view of bfg or several others, but when you quoted her it reminded me that I wanted other folks imlressions cause I had that thought.

Posted

Ive never been offended by Sili. Only frustrated. Incredibly frustrated.

 

Welcome to phone thoughts. this was completed over the course of 20-30 minutes on a phone. Have fun.

 

Not Ordered

 

1. Darthe - Middle of PoE. Do something super towny or super wolfy. I just want you to move somewhere on the ladder
2. Thane Vakarian - Absent
3. BFG - Towny. I questioned her Seph/Laine post because I was curious, not because I thought it was wolfy. Gettin that BS out of the way now
4. Hallia - Town.
5. Zander - Posted alot, my eyes glazed over alot of his big quotes. Whats the case against him Clov? I remember you having one, mentioning he has an effort difference between me and Niniel. Null leaning town
6. Sili Quirrels - God... I really want to call him wolf but I cant tell if thats more my incredible frustration with him and his godforsaken attitude or because hes been wolfy. His argument against me is crap and so is how he treated it. I left to calm down earlier today and wouldnt fight lynching Niniel instead, cause it will give me to to figure out if its frustration or legit.
7. Katiora - Floating around alot. Null leaning town?
8. dicetosser1 - Null. Posts but remember nothing important. Last post of his I remember was like... pg 20 or somethign
9. Lenlo - Hi
10. Niniel - Wolfy
11. Clovdyx - Town
12. Seph - Wheres he been lately? Timezones? Theres not as much energy here as what I saw last game, only other game with him. Call him wolfy.
13. LilyElizabeth - Again need more. She says shes confused where teh thread is going? Either her or Lizabeth said that I think. Null
14. Wishtree/Stork hydra  - Wistork - Stork doesnt exist, Wish is asking alot of questions but not really following up on anything that matters imo. Looks like alot of busy work. Null to slightly wolfy.
15. alannalynn - Leaning Town. I disagree with some of her reads naturally, but shes trying and the posts she makes dont have problems
16. Lizabeth - Want more. I dont even remember posts from her

 

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:16 PM, Darthe said:

Twisting is frankly a stupid argument in mafia games like 90% of the time.

There's no inflection or body language, most of us don't know one another and we are all trying to either trick or judge one another. Good luck avoiding different perspectives

 

Yeah but some meanings or more likely then others, so when you start presenting it as one of the least likely ones, theres a problem.

Posted

@Zander/Chris/et al It's my favourite none mine list, I don't have to agree with it 100% to like it?

 

@Chris yes, at this point I'll take anything that helps vive me confidence in a read

 

@Darthe lol

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:23 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:14 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:00 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:59 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, Lenlo said:

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive.

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?
dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.
-_______-

i mean i don't know if he throws his hands up in the air and says screw it. i haven't done anything to him besides ignore his request for reads.

so you foster difficulty and then you get upset with him for being difficult?

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:23 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:14 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:00 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:59 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, Lenlo said:

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive.

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?

dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.

-_______-

 

i mean i don't know if he throws his hands up in the air and says screw it. i haven't done anything to him besides ignore his request for reads.

 

And be a condescending barn yard animal, but sure.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:26 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:23 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:14 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:00 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:59 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, Lenlo said:

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive.

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?
dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.
-_______-
i mean i don't know if he throws his hands up in the air and says screw it. i haven't done anything to him besides ignore his request for reads.

so you foster difficulty and then you get upset with him for being difficult?

 

i'm not upset.

 

but i don't understand.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:24 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:22 PM, Katiora said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:18 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:16 PM, keyholder21 said:

Mod Announcement:

 

Besie will be replacing Thane.

Hi Besie!!!!!
And another one Zander can't read lol

I was right last game tho....

 

sadface,gif

Yeah but anyone else you will you have tunneled her so much faster lol

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:26 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:23 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:14 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:00 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:59 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, Lenlo said:

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive.

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?

dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.

-_______-

 

i mean i don't know if he throws his hands up in the air and says screw it. i haven't done anything to him besides ignore his request for reads.

 

And be a condescending barn yard animal, but sure.

 

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:26 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:23 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:14 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:00 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:59 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, Lenlo said:

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive.

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?

dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.

-_______-

 

i mean i don't know if he throws his hands up in the air and says screw it. i haven't done anything to him besides ignore his request for reads.

 

And be a condescending barn yard animal, but sure.

 

because i don't believe you?

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:23 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:16 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:05 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:29 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:21 PM, wish-tree said:

part 1ish sorta

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

I numbered responses in the spoiler:

 

1. You didnt say I was out of my Sum range you said I was Scummt for things that were Null tho.  This seems a tad twisty imo.

 

2. Again more twisty where did I say Dice read of BFG influenced my read ON ANYONE?

 

- Involvement and content and line of questioning.  She wasnt clear of that atp.  Id say shes prolly just about of it now.

 

3.  This is just straight up BS.  Ive been the one calling things out and people are sheeping ME on them FFS

 

4. Are you even reading my posts?  Im Scummy for asking questions?  Im trying to get seph to open up on Sili.  What does my opinion on Sili have to do with me getting seph's opinion on him.  This is awful.  Im not guiding anyone Im asking questions,  Id like to think as EITHER alignment youre better then this after seeing you in WoW.

 

5. Again shows youre not paying attention to the PAGES long back and forth between me and BFG.  That read had nothing to do with Laine or seph's alignment per se it was that by BFG's comment if she was Scum buddies with sepg her comment would not only lead to clearing Laine but also HERSELF.

 

6. ASK OTHERS FFS ABOUT THE CRAP I SAY IS NULL!!!!! OR READ THE THREAD AS OTHERS ARE COMMENTING ON IT THEMSELVES!!!!

 

 

1. What do you mean twisty? I have never seen you town, nor have followed your games when you did rand town. When you were wolfing in both WoW and the mash, the one thing I picked up and tried to coach you about in the Mafia QT/Skype chat was precisely the one thing I have been emphasizing over and over again. 

2. Yes, you never said that, but I assume that when you point out posts that you point out, that you should have a REASON for doing so. Why pick out posts that don't influence your read on people, how does that contribute? You not being influenced by that in it of itself is a bad look. I had a specific problem with you choosing this post, and here you're not even trying to explain to me your thought process at the time for choosing this. That's scummy to me.

- again with the BFG meta thing, why was she not clear at that point, why is she clear now?

3. I'm not saying that you are sheeping people, rather, I'm pointing at the lack of involvement you have in the present moment unless you are engaged in full tunnel on someone. You could be sheeping people by formulating your posts while reading the thread and adjusting what you say to it while you are in 'delay' mode, but I can't know that. I still see the tail end of it, so that's what I was pointing out.

4. I never said you were scummy for asking questions. I saw this set of questions as inherently scummy, because it seemed that at every point you were asking this set of questions, you had an answer that you expected the other person to have, and you were framing the question in a way as to guide them to it. That's what a leading question is, and that's what I disliked.

5. I skipped a lot of the long back and forth between you and BFG because again, I didn't want to dive into that when I was already irritated. I don't understand what you mean by that. Do you mean that because of what seph said about BFG and Laine that clearing BFG would clear Laine too, if Seph were scum? I can see why that's the case, but I have all three as town. What happens then? I liked that BFG was pointing out that you didn't really ask her about Seph, and instead focusing on Lainey instead. Also, the post you made seemed to be more shocked that Lainey merited a town read for even not posting (bringing to my mind echoes of this isn't fair, she gets town read for not even posting), rather than even mentioning or touching on Seph. Lainey/you never w/w. 

6. I'm starting to, but Lainey confirming what I was thinking about you, with the delay, just made more confident of my read.

 

 

Im gonna TRY to not be hostile here,

 

1. Because you said you said the same thing WHICH YOU DIDNT.

 

2. Just read the red ffs.

 

3. You know Im the #1 poster and NO ONE has been more real time active in the thread then I have right?

 

4. Just read the red ffs.

 

5. Ive explained this numerous times. 

 

6. More BS.

 

I'm trying not to be hostile either.

1. I never said I said the same thing. 

2. You still didn't answer my question. Ugh

3. I do know, but you were top poster in the mash d1 until I made a conscious effort to overtake you. You were super close to being modkilled also. Another thing is that is IRRELEVANT because you can replicate this as a wolf, and that isn't addressing the point I made with what posts you were choosing, why you were pushing who you were, and everything that I just said.

4. Don't dodge the question, actually answer it.

5. Not well enough, apparently. 

6. Excuse me? Do you know that's why the number reason why I'm town reading Lainey?

 

 

1. SEE GREEN

 

2. I call out things I see one way or the other?  This concept seem strange to you?

 

3. I think ive explained my reads.  Also you say im delayed and not in real time.  Which is FALSE.

 

4. Sili seems Sili like Ive commented on him as well already.

 

5. Read better.

 

6. So you Town reading Lainey for something that is false?  Prolly pro Town strat imo....

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:25 PM, Darthe said:

Tbh z I've not given this enough focus to have a totally independent view of bfg or several others, but when you quoted her it reminded me that I wanted other folks imlressions cause I had that thought.

 

Fair enough.

 

You gonna give me at least a WTL?

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:26 PM, BFG said:

@Zander/Chris/et al It's my favourite none mine list, I don't have to agree with it 100% to like it?

 

@Chris yes, at this point I'll take anything that helps vive me confidence in a read

 

@Darthe lol

 

I mean no but I think its safe to ASSUME if you like the list you like the reads?

 

Or even mention well I dont agree with the reads but it makes her look better because....

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:28 PM, Katiora said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:24 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:22 PM, Katiora said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:18 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:16 PM, keyholder21 said:

Mod Announcement:

 

Besie will be replacing Thane.

Hi Besie!!!!!
And another one Zander can't read lol

I was right last game tho....

 

sadface,gif

Yeah but anyone else you will you have tunneled her so much faster lol

 

 

I dont normally tunnel Town reads unless given good reason to???

 

lolololol

Posted

Can you not believe someone and be something other then a condescending barnyard animal?

 

I believe the answer to the question is yes.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:36 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:26 PM, BFG said:

@Zander/Chris/et al It's my favourite none mine list, I don't have to agree with it 100% to like it?

 

@Chris yes, at this point I'll take anything that helps vive me confidence in a read

 

@Darthe lol

 

I mean no but I think its safe to ASSUME if you like the list you like the reads?

 

Or even mention well I dont agree with the reads but it makes her look better because....

 

Do you remember the Spoooooky game at all?

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:38 PM, BFG said:

Wonders if sending out a Hallia signal will work :unsure:

 

*FREE POUTINE 4 LIFE*

 

should work imo.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:39 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:36 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:26 PM, BFG said:

@Zander/Chris/et al It's my favourite none mine list, I don't have to agree with it 100% to like it?

 

@Chris yes, at this point I'll take anything that helps vive me confidence in a read

 

@Darthe lol

 

I mean no but I think its safe to ASSUME if you like the list you like the reads?

 

Or even mention well I dont agree with the reads but it makes her look better because....

 

Do you remember the Spoooooky game at all?

 

 

Some if it.

 

Wasnt overly invested.

 

Why?

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:33 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:23 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:16 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:05 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:29 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:21 PM, wish-tree said:

part 1ish sorta

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

I numbered responses in the spoiler:

 

1. You didnt say I was out of my Sum range you said I was Scummt for things that were Null tho.  This seems a tad twisty imo.

 

2. Again more twisty where did I say Dice read of BFG influenced my read ON ANYONE?

 

- Involvement and content and line of questioning.  She wasnt clear of that atp.  Id say shes prolly just about of it now.

 

3.  This is just straight up BS.  Ive been the one calling things out and people are sheeping ME on them FFS

 

4. Are you even reading my posts?  Im Scummy for asking questions?  Im trying to get seph to open up on Sili.  What does my opinion on Sili have to do with me getting seph's opinion on him.  This is awful.  Im not guiding anyone Im asking questions,  Id like to think as EITHER alignment youre better then this after seeing you in WoW.

 

5. Again shows youre not paying attention to the PAGES long back and forth between me and BFG.  That read had nothing to do with Laine or seph's alignment per se it was that by BFG's comment if she was Scum buddies with sepg her comment would not only lead to clearing Laine but also HERSELF.

 

6. ASK OTHERS FFS ABOUT THE CRAP I SAY IS NULL!!!!! OR READ THE THREAD AS OTHERS ARE COMMENTING ON IT THEMSELVES!!!!

 

 

1. What do you mean twisty? I have never seen you town, nor have followed your games when you did rand town. When you were wolfing in both WoW and the mash, the one thing I picked up and tried to coach you about in the Mafia QT/Skype chat was precisely the one thing I have been emphasizing over and over again. 

2. Yes, you never said that, but I assume that when you point out posts that you point out, that you should have a REASON for doing so. Why pick out posts that don't influence your read on people, how does that contribute? You not being influenced by that in it of itself is a bad look. I had a specific problem with you choosing this post, and here you're not even trying to explain to me your thought process at the time for choosing this. That's scummy to me.

- again with the BFG meta thing, why was she not clear at that point, why is she clear now?

3. I'm not saying that you are sheeping people, rather, I'm pointing at the lack of involvement you have in the present moment unless you are engaged in full tunnel on someone. You could be sheeping people by formulating your posts while reading the thread and adjusting what you say to it while you are in 'delay' mode, but I can't know that. I still see the tail end of it, so that's what I was pointing out.

4. I never said you were scummy for asking questions. I saw this set of questions as inherently scummy, because it seemed that at every point you were asking this set of questions, you had an answer that you expected the other person to have, and you were framing the question in a way as to guide them to it. That's what a leading question is, and that's what I disliked.

5. I skipped a lot of the long back and forth between you and BFG because again, I didn't want to dive into that when I was already irritated. I don't understand what you mean by that. Do you mean that because of what seph said about BFG and Laine that clearing BFG would clear Laine too, if Seph were scum? I can see why that's the case, but I have all three as town. What happens then? I liked that BFG was pointing out that you didn't really ask her about Seph, and instead focusing on Lainey instead. Also, the post you made seemed to be more shocked that Lainey merited a town read for even not posting (bringing to my mind echoes of this isn't fair, she gets town read for not even posting), rather than even mentioning or touching on Seph. Lainey/you never w/w. 

6. I'm starting to, but Lainey confirming what I was thinking about you, with the delay, just made more confident of my read.

 

 

Im gonna TRY to not be hostile here,

 

1. Because you said you said the same thing WHICH YOU DIDNT.

 

2. Just read the red ffs.

 

3. You know Im the #1 poster and NO ONE has been more real time active in the thread then I have right?

 

4. Just read the red ffs.

 

5. Ive explained this numerous times. 

 

6. More BS.

 

I'm trying not to be hostile either.

1. I never said I said the same thing. 

2. You still didn't answer my question. Ugh

3. I do know, but you were top poster in the mash d1 until I made a conscious effort to overtake you. You were super close to being modkilled also. Another thing is that is IRRELEVANT because you can replicate this as a wolf, and that isn't addressing the point I made with what posts you were choosing, why you were pushing who you were, and everything that I just said.

4. Don't dodge the question, actually answer it.

5. Not well enough, apparently. 

6. Excuse me? Do you know that's why the number reason why I'm town reading Lainey?

 

 

1. SEE GREEN

 

2. I call out things I see one way or the other?  This concept seem strange to you?

 

3. I think ive explained my reads.  Also you say im delayed and not in real time.  Which is FALSE.

 

4. Sili seems Sili like Ive commented on him as well already.

 

5. Read better.

 

6. So you Town reading Lainey for something that is false?  Prolly pro Town strat imo....

 

1. I said a similar enough thing that I thought you could understand where I was coming from.

2. No, but then again, what you are repeating over and over again is NOT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW, NOR WHAT I SAID. 

3. Reading the thread tells me that besides your tunnel on me and your back and forth with some people I've pointed out already, you poke people way after they've made their posts. I expect a town Zander to be significantly DIFFERENT from his scum meta, which is exactly what I've been saying the entire time.

4. I wanted to know your thought process at the time SO I COULD UNDERSTAND how you arrived at that conclusion. It's easy to manufacture reads with no explanations.

5. Uh...has this degarded into mudslinging?

6. I'm reading her as town for a mindmeld over you. I don't think that's anti-town at all.

Posted

I need a second opinion. Hallia's would be best since she's the only other town in that game and this

 

Yours or Sili's might work but you weren't paying attention and I don't think Sili was either and besides you were both mafia in that game

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:25 PM, Lenlo said:

Ive never been offended by Sili. Only frustrated. Incredibly frustrated.

 

Welcome to phone thoughts. this was completed over the course of 20-30 minutes on a phone. Have fun.

 

Not Ordered

 

1. Darthe - Middle of PoE. Do something super towny or super wolfy. I just want you to move somewhere on the ladder

2. Thane Vakarian - Absent

3. BFG - Towny. I questioned her Seph/Laine post because I was curious, not because I thought it was wolfy. Gettin that BS out of the way now

4. Hallia - Town.

5. Zander - Posted alot, my eyes glazed over alot of his big quotes. Whats the case against him Clov? I remember you having one, mentioning he has an effort difference between me and Niniel. Null leaning town

6. Sili Quirrels - God... I really want to call him wolf but I cant tell if thats more my incredible frustration with him and his godforsaken attitude or because hes been wolfy. His argument against me is crap and so is how he treated it. I left to calm down earlier today and wouldnt fight lynching Niniel instead, cause it will give me to to figure out if its frustration or legit.

7. Katiora - Floating around alot. Null leaning town?

8. dicetosser1 - Null. Posts but remember nothing important. Last post of his I remember was like... pg 20 or somethign

9. Lenlo - Hi

10. Niniel - Wolfy

11. Clovdyx - Town

12. Seph - Wheres he been lately? Timezones? Theres not as much energy here as what I saw last game, only other game with him. Call him wolfy.

13. LilyElizabeth - Again need more. She says shes confused where teh thread is going? Either her or Lizabeth said that I think. Null

14. Wishtree/Stork hydra  - Wistork - Stork doesnt exist, Wish is asking alot of questions but not really following up on anything that matters imo. Looks like alot of busy work. Null to slightly wolfy.

15. alannalynn - Leaning Town. I disagree with some of her reads naturally, but shes trying and the posts she makes dont have problems

16. Lizabeth - Want more. I dont even remember posts from her

 

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:16 PM, Darthe said:

Twisting is frankly a stupid argument in mafia games like 90% of the time.

 

There's no inflection or body language, most of us don't know one another and we are all trying to either trick or judge one another. Good luck avoiding different perspectives

 

Yeah but some meanings or more likely then others, so when you start presenting it as one of the least likely ones, theres a problem.

Okay, so I was right, you are hesistant to give Sili a scum read because you're afraid your annoyance is getting in the way, yes? Who do you want to lynch if you think that you could be potentially wrong on him?

 

Can you explain your Niniel, Seph, and Liz reads? Perhaps you already explained the Niniel one in previous posts, but a tl;dr would suffice. Seph has been towny for me, what do you mean by him not having that much energy (do you mean that he just has less engagement with the thread/presence)? Why did you put "want more" from Liz instead of just giving her a null read with the person you mixed her up with, LilyElizabeth?

 

Are the null leaning x reads influenced by gut reads or are there actual reasons behind them? 

 

Why do you think what I am posting is no longer relevant to the thread/following up on things? Why is playing catch up equivalent to busy work?

Posted

Wish, you said you hate doing tone reads and may as well flip a coin... so why spend time doing first post analysis instead of something you find more useful/accurate?

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