[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive.

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?

dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.

-_______-

 

i mean i don't know if he throws his hands up in the air and says screw it. i haven't done anything to him besides ignore his request for reads.

[Zander?]

 

Pg 56-

 

I honestly dont know how much more Sili/Lenlo I can handle. Its jut making things more confusing for me.

 

I kinda wanna say its T/T but Im not committing to that.

 

fwiw I feel Sili>Lenlo to be Town thus far.

I agree with this post

 

 

What do you know....me too!!!!!

 

 

 

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Hi Besie!!!!!

And another one Zander can't read lol

 

 

I was right last game tho....

 

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[Darthe]

Tbh z I've not given this enough focus to have a totally independent view of bfg or several others, but when you quoted her it reminded me that I wanted other folks imlressions cause I had that thought.

[Lenlo]

Ive never been offended by Sili. Only frustrated. Incredibly frustrated.

 

Welcome to phone thoughts. this was completed over the course of 20-30 minutes on a phone. Have fun.

 

Not Ordered

 

1. Darthe - Middle of PoE. Do something super towny or super wolfy. I just want you to move somewhere on the ladder
2. Thane Vakarian - Absent
3. BFG - Towny. I questioned her Seph/Laine post because I was curious, not because I thought it was wolfy. Gettin that BS out of the way now
4. Hallia - Town.
5. Zander - Posted alot, my eyes glazed over alot of his big quotes. Whats the case against him Clov? I remember you having one, mentioning he has an effort difference between me and Niniel. Null leaning town
6. Sili Quirrels - God... I really want to call him wolf but I cant tell if thats more my incredible frustration with him and his godforsaken attitude or because hes been wolfy. His argument against me is crap and so is how he treated it. I left to calm down earlier today and wouldnt fight lynching Niniel instead, cause it will give me to to figure out if its frustration or legit.
7. Katiora - Floating around alot. Null leaning town?
8. dicetosser1 - Null. Posts but remember nothing important. Last post of his I remember was like... pg 20 or somethign
9. Lenlo - Hi
10. Niniel - Wolfy
11. Clovdyx - Town
12. Seph - Wheres he been lately? Timezones? Theres not as much energy here as what I saw last game, only other game with him. Call him wolfy.
13. LilyElizabeth - Again need more. She says shes confused where teh thread is going? Either her or Lizabeth said that I think. Null
14. Wishtree/Stork hydra  - Wistork - Stork doesnt exist, Wish is asking alot of questions but not really following up on anything that matters imo. Looks like alot of busy work. Null to slightly wolfy.
15. alannalynn - Leaning Town. I disagree with some of her reads naturally, but shes trying and the posts she makes dont have problems
16. Lizabeth - Want more. I dont even remember posts from her

 

 

Twisting is frankly a stupid argument in mafia games like 90% of the time.

There's no inflection or body language, most of us don't know one another and we are all trying to either trick or judge one another. Good luck avoiding different perspectives

 

Yeah but some meanings or more likely then others, so when you start presenting it as one of the least likely ones, theres a problem.

[BFG]

@Zander/Chris/et al It's my favourite none mine list, I don't have to agree with it 100% to like it?

 

@Chris yes, at this point I'll take anything that helps vive me confidence in a read

 

@Darthe lol

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive.

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?

dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.

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i mean i don't know if he throws his hands up in the air and says screw it. i haven't done anything to him besides ignore his request for reads.

so you foster difficulty and then you get upset with him for being difficult?

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive.

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?

dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.

-_______-

 

i mean i don't know if he throws his hands up in the air and says screw it. i haven't done anything to him besides ignore his request for reads.

 

And be a condescending barn yard animal, but sure.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive.

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?

dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.

-_______-

i mean i don't know if he throws his hands up in the air and says screw it. i haven't done anything to him besides ignore his request for reads.

so you foster difficulty and then you get upset with him for being difficult?

 

i'm not upset.

 

but i don't understand.

[Katiora]

 

 

 

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Hi Besie!!!!!

And another one Zander can't read lol

I was right last game tho....

 

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Yeah but anyone else you will you have tunneled her so much faster lol

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive.

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?

dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.

-_______-

 

i mean i don't know if he throws his hands up in the air and says screw it. i haven't done anything to him besides ignore his request for reads.

 

And be a condescending barn yard animal, but sure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive.

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?

dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.

-_______-

 

i mean i don't know if he throws his hands up in the air and says screw it. i haven't done anything to him besides ignore his request for reads.

 

And be a condescending barn yard animal, but sure.

 

because i don't believe you?

[Darthe]

Dont velieve him about what?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

part 1ish sorta

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also ganna give sili a light town read.

dem page 4 reads are op.

hallia and i are probably very easy and necessary reads at this point.

 

I would hazard an agreement there.  Leaning town on you.  And Seph.  And BFG.  and...well no one has done anything wolfie....YET.

 

Curious as to why I'm in your lean town list?

 

Sili, why 'necessary'?

 

I like BFG pointing out the "necessary" part of Sili's phrasing. That's something that I picked up on. Actually, following the argument between seph, Sili, and BFG, I'm just lost and I don't really know where or why Sili was pushing this. 

 

I think Dice called you Town as well.

 

I dont feel youve done anything atp that puts you out of your Scum!BFG range imo.

 

 

1. I don't really understand how he can say this, and not be fine with me saying this about him.

 

2. Another thing: Zander, why did you choose to respond to this specific post? Actually, that's a general question. Why choose the posts that you respond to? How did Dice's read of BFG influence your read of him? This is a scummy post. It's low commitment, with only commentary on other people's insights, without offering anything solidly of your own. 

 

What were you thinking there? Explain it to me so I can see your thought process. What is Scum!BFG range?

 

 

 

 

Q&A time with Storktree:

1) How old were you during the 90s? I was born in 86

2) What was your favorite 90s artist/song? I adore the Spice Girls, Say You'll Be There so good.  Also REM!

3) Why are you playing this game?Because I love mafia

4) Do you prefer to work together or alone? I love to work with other townies to lynch wolves

5) What's your goal for this game (may be correlated to no. 3)?  To...beat mafia?

6) What's your favorite role to play? Doc of course 

7) What meta do you have with other players? Well Zander and I can soulread each other...

8) Describe your own meta as best as you can. I love being town? I suck as mafia? lol

 

How well do you actually feel you can read me Hallia?

 

I mean I feel I read you quite well, usually have you pegged EoD 1 or Early D2.

 

I think you know that I read you pretty well.  I have caught you before.

 

 

Mixed feelings about this exchange. Hallia, what's your soulread of Zander at this point in the game? 

 

I like the first sentence of what Hallia says, it's okay, nothing pingy. Could be better, the "I think you know" places expectation on Zander and sort of annoyance in the tone, which makes sense if Hallia assumes Zander to be familiar with her as much as she is with him. The second part unsettles me, it is unnecessary, and idk, the tone and the mindset behind "before" bothers me. Maybe a minor detail, but I don't like it. 

 

Hmmmmmm, waiting for Zander to 'catch' up

 

The quotations around catch also stand out to me, as if BFG does not believe that Zander is actually engaged in the thread. This kind of behavior I also pointed out in another post. I've seen a lot of this 'catching up' and not being involved in the thread in real time, instead, responding to quotes that are old and often past the point of discussion, unless it is something that is low content and easier to follow, from scum Zander. I noticed it when he decided to case csarmi in WoW to make it look legit when he actually eventually voted csarmi, and completely checked out of the thread. Recently, in the mash we were playing together as scum buddies, Zander again was checked out of the thread, and did mention in scum chat that he was overwhelmed. We all urged him to respond to posts that were new, but he never did, unless it was during events or ITAs. 

 

3. Here, I'm seeing less of a delay, but there's still a noticeable separation from the thread that Zander has, except during his exchanges with BFG and me. In fact, his cases against Niniel and Lenlo seem to be delayed, and he's pushing at a lot of people, but not really establishing a foothold. I don't even understand the argument he had with me or BFG, but more on that later.

 

I think BFG noticing this lack of engagement from Zander merits a slight town lean. 

 

 

I mean is your assumption i said it to cast suspicion? Then i gave up on my own wolfy accord?

 

Seems like youre just annoyed im not opening up.

partly yes, because other part is it just frankly doesn't make sense to me.

so your not exactly helping me read you

 

 

Do you feel Sili is playing differently then he normally does?

 

If so how?

 

By not opening up?

 

Do you think Sili marching to the beat of his own drum so to speak is odd?

 

 

4. What did you think about Sili? Again, another zinger (you are dripping with pond scum, Zander). Set of leading questions here: Do you feel Sili is playing differently - second question is if so, assuming you answer yes - third question is how is by not opening up, kind of providing the answer to the second question - and the last question is Sili marching to the beat of his own drum, is it odd, implying that you think that there should be an opinion that it may be odd. 

 

You attempted to guide someone to think the same way you do by asking leading questions, or at least set up an expectation of the answer that you can control. I would expect town!Zander to openly state his opinions and then ask questions separately about them. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also ganna give sili a light town read.

dem page 4 reads are op.

hallia and i are probably very easy and necessary reads at this point.

 

I would hazard an agreement there.  Leaning town on you.  And Seph.  And BFG.  and...well no one has done anything wolfie....YET.

 

Curious as to why I'm in your lean town list?

 

Sili, why 'necessary'?

 

 

I think Dice called you Town as well.

 

I dont feel youve done anything atp that puts you out of your Scum!BFG range imo.

 

Don't you normally dive into your catch up 'raw' so to speak, why did you read ahead this time?

 

Is diving into catch up "raw" something that town!Zander does? Did you find him reading ahead scummy? 

 

 

Ok, thanks Sili :)

 

Seph, I think we were teammates in the only game I remember you as mafia in :p and fair :)

 

You subbed in for seph one game where I was also Scum iirc.  I think it was a WoT game perhaps.

 

 

I subbed in for Seph in the Tarpon Gai'don game, Seph subbed in for me in 9-5(?) but the only game I remember playing together when he was mafia was Pokemon, when I subbed in as mafia.

 

 

Worth noting that if Seph flips mafia Laine is probably town, but Seph is probably town anyway :p

 

 

ummmmmm what?????

 

Has Laine even posted yet......???

 

No

 

why does that change a read that's conditional on Seph being mafia. Seph said something about Laine I don't think is m/m very often, so if Seph is mafia, Laine is probably town.

 

Why aren't you questioning the fact that I've said that Sept is probably town, when you apparently disagree?

 

 

I'm still attempting to find the post that you're referring to here about Seph saying something about Laine. Could you point it out for me? 

 

5. Good catch on the second point. Zander, you are more focused on Laine being town rather than Seph's alignment, even though I'd be wary of making these sort of unflipped associatives and call BFG for making these. Why only call out one problem with this post and not all of them?

 

 

Checking in. Haven't read any of the last 6 (?) Pages. Checking out, bye.

 

NEED MORE LAINEYGOAT LDO!!!!!

 

I've already mentioned this. You say buddying w/ laine is null indicative, but that's what you said last time in WoW, I don't really know if I can trust this or not. 

 

 

 

 

I numbered responses in the spoiler:

 

1. You didnt say I was out of my Sum range you said I was Scummt for things that were Null tho.  This seems a tad twisty imo.

 

2. Again more twisty where did I say Dice read of BFG influenced my read ON ANYONE?

 

- Involvement and content and line of questioning.  She wasnt clear of that atp.  Id say shes prolly just about of it now.

 

3.  This is just straight up BS.  Ive been the one calling things out and people are sheeping ME on them FFS

 

4. Are you even reading my posts?  Im Scummy for asking questions?  Im trying to get seph to open up on Sili.  What does my opinion on Sili have to do with me getting seph's opinion on him.  This is awful.  Im not guiding anyone Im asking questions,  Id like to think as EITHER alignment youre better then this after seeing you in WoW.

 

5. Again shows youre not paying attention to the PAGES long back and forth between me and BFG.  That read had nothing to do with Laine or seph's alignment per se it was that by BFG's comment if she was Scum buddies with sepg her comment would not only lead to clearing Laine but also HERSELF.

 

6. ASK OTHERS FFS ABOUT THE CRAP I SAY IS NULL!!!!! OR READ THE THREAD AS OTHERS ARE COMMENTING ON IT THEMSELVES!!!!

 

 

1. What do you mean twisty? I have never seen you town, nor have followed your games when you did rand town. When you were wolfing in both WoW and the mash, the one thing I picked up and tried to coach you about in the Mafia QT/Skype chat was precisely the one thing I have been emphasizing over and over again. 

2. Yes, you never said that, but I assume that when you point out posts that you point out, that you should have a REASON for doing so. Why pick out posts that don't influence your read on people, how does that contribute? You not being influenced by that in it of itself is a bad look. I had a specific problem with you choosing this post, and here you're not even trying to explain to me your thought process at the time for choosing this. That's scummy to me.

- again with the BFG meta thing, why was she not clear at that point, why is she clear now?

3. I'm not saying that you are sheeping people, rather, I'm pointing at the lack of involvement you have in the present moment unless you are engaged in full tunnel on someone. You could be sheeping people by formulating your posts while reading the thread and adjusting what you say to it while you are in 'delay' mode, but I can't know that. I still see the tail end of it, so that's what I was pointing out.

4. I never said you were scummy for asking questions. I saw this set of questions as inherently scummy, because it seemed that at every point you were asking this set of questions, you had an answer that you expected the other person to have, and you were framing the question in a way as to guide them to it. That's what a leading question is, and that's what I disliked.

5. I skipped a lot of the long back and forth between you and BFG because again, I didn't want to dive into that when I was already irritated. I don't understand what you mean by that. Do you mean that because of what seph said about BFG and Laine that clearing BFG would clear Laine too, if Seph were scum? I can see why that's the case, but I have all three as town. What happens then? I liked that BFG was pointing out that you didn't really ask her about Seph, and instead focusing on Lainey instead. Also, the post you made seemed to be more shocked that Lainey merited a town read for even not posting (bringing to my mind echoes of this isn't fair, she gets town read for not even posting), rather than even mentioning or touching on Seph. Lainey/you never w/w. 

6. I'm starting to, but Lainey confirming what I was thinking about you, with the delay, just made more confident of my read.

 

 

Im gonna TRY to not be hostile here,

 

1. Because you said you said the same thing WHICH YOU DIDNT.

 

2. Just read the red ffs.

 

3. You know Im the #1 poster and NO ONE has been more real time active in the thread then I have right?

 

4. Just read the red ffs.

 

5. Ive explained this numerous times. 

 

6. More BS.

 

I'm trying not to be hostile either.

1. I never said I said the same thing. 

2. You still didn't answer my question. Ugh

3. I do know, but you were top poster in the mash d1 until I made a conscious effort to overtake you. You were super close to being modkilled also. Another thing is that is IRRELEVANT because you can replicate this as a wolf, and that isn't addressing the point I made with what posts you were choosing, why you were pushing who you were, and everything that I just said.

4. Don't dodge the question, actually answer it.

5. Not well enough, apparently. 

6. Excuse me? Do you know that's why the number reason why I'm town reading Lainey?

 

 

1. SEE GREEN

 

2. I call out things I see one way or the other?  This concept seem strange to you?

 

3. I think ive explained my reads.  Also you say im delayed and not in real time.  Which is FALSE.

 

4. Sili seems Sili like Ive commented on him as well already.

 

5. Read better.

 

6. So you Town reading Lainey for something that is false?  Prolly pro Town strat imo....

[Sili Quirrels]

Dont velieve him about what?

I don't believe him when he says he wasn't shading people.

[Zander?]

Tbh z I've not given this enough focus to have a totally independent view of bfg or several others, but when you quoted her it reminded me that I wanted other folks imlressions cause I had that thought.

 

Fair enough.

 

You gonna give me at least a WTL?

[Zander?]

@Zander/Chris/et al It's my favourite none mine list, I don't have to agree with it 100% to like it?

 

@Chris yes, at this point I'll take anything that helps vive me confidence in a read

 

@Darthe lol

 

I mean no but I think its safe to ASSUME if you like the list you like the reads?

 

Or even mention well I dont agree with the reads but it makes her look better because....

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Mod Announcement:

 

Besie will be replacing Thane.

Hi Besie!!!!!

And another one Zander can't read lol

I was right last game tho....

 

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Yeah but anyone else you will you have tunneled her so much faster lol

 

 

I dont normally tunnel Town reads unless given good reason to???

 

lolololol

[BFG]

Wonders if sending out a Hallia signal will work

[Lenlo]

Can you not believe someone and be something other then a condescending barnyard animal?

 

I believe the answer to the question is yes.

[BFG]

 

@Zander/Chris/et al It's my favourite none mine list, I don't have to agree with it 100% to like it?

 

@Chris yes, at this point I'll take anything that helps vive me confidence in a read

 

@Darthe lol

 

I mean no but I think its safe to ASSUME if you like the list you like the reads?

 

Or even mention well I dont agree with the reads but it makes her look better because....

 

Do you remember the Spoooooky game at all?

[Zander?]

Wonders if sending out a Hallia signal will work

 

*FREE POUTINE 4 LIFE*

 

should work imo.

[Zander?]

 

 

@Zander/Chris/et al It's my favourite none mine list, I don't have to agree with it 100% to like it?

 

@Chris yes, at this point I'll take anything that helps vive me confidence in a read

 

@Darthe lol

 

I mean no but I think its safe to ASSUME if you like the list you like the reads?

 

Or even mention well I dont agree with the reads but it makes her look better because....

 

Do you remember the Spoooooky game at all?

 

 

Some if it.

 

Wasnt overly invested.

 

Why?

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

 

 

part 1ish sorta

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also ganna give sili a light town read.

dem page 4 reads are op.

hallia and i are probably very easy and necessary reads at this point.

 

I would hazard an agreement there.  Leaning town on you.  And Seph.  And BFG.  and...well no one has done anything wolfie....YET.

 

Curious as to why I'm in your lean town list?

 

Sili, why 'necessary'?

 

I like BFG pointing out the "necessary" part of Sili's phrasing. That's something that I picked up on. Actually, following the argument between seph, Sili, and BFG, I'm just lost and I don't really know where or why Sili was pushing this. 

 

I think Dice called you Town as well.

 

I dont feel youve done anything atp that puts you out of your Scum!BFG range imo.

 

 

1. I don't really understand how he can say this, and not be fine with me saying this about him.

 

2. Another thing: Zander, why did you choose to respond to this specific post? Actually, that's a general question. Why choose the posts that you respond to? How did Dice's read of BFG influence your read of him? This is a scummy post. It's low commitment, with only commentary on other people's insights, without offering anything solidly of your own. 

 

What were you thinking there? Explain it to me so I can see your thought process. What is Scum!BFG range?

 

 

 

 

Q&A time with Storktree:

1) How old were you during the 90s? I was born in 86

2) What was your favorite 90s artist/song? I adore the Spice Girls, Say You'll Be There so good.  Also REM!

3) Why are you playing this game?Because I love mafia

4) Do you prefer to work together or alone? I love to work with other townies to lynch wolves

5) What's your goal for this game (may be correlated to no. 3)?  To...beat mafia?

6) What's your favorite role to play? Doc of course 

7) What meta do you have with other players? Well Zander and I can soulread each other...

8) Describe your own meta as best as you can. I love being town? I suck as mafia? lol

 

How well do you actually feel you can read me Hallia?

 

I mean I feel I read you quite well, usually have you pegged EoD 1 or Early D2.

 

I think you know that I read you pretty well.  I have caught you before.

 

 

Mixed feelings about this exchange. Hallia, what's your soulread of Zander at this point in the game? 

 

I like the first sentence of what Hallia says, it's okay, nothing pingy. Could be better, the "I think you know" places expectation on Zander and sort of annoyance in the tone, which makes sense if Hallia assumes Zander to be familiar with her as much as she is with him. The second part unsettles me, it is unnecessary, and idk, the tone and the mindset behind "before" bothers me. Maybe a minor detail, but I don't like it. 

 

Hmmmmmm, waiting for Zander to 'catch' up

 

The quotations around catch also stand out to me, as if BFG does not believe that Zander is actually engaged in the thread. This kind of behavior I also pointed out in another post. I've seen a lot of this 'catching up' and not being involved in the thread in real time, instead, responding to quotes that are old and often past the point of discussion, unless it is something that is low content and easier to follow, from scum Zander. I noticed it when he decided to case csarmi in WoW to make it look legit when he actually eventually voted csarmi, and completely checked out of the thread. Recently, in the mash we were playing together as scum buddies, Zander again was checked out of the thread, and did mention in scum chat that he was overwhelmed. We all urged him to respond to posts that were new, but he never did, unless it was during events or ITAs. 

 

3. Here, I'm seeing less of a delay, but there's still a noticeable separation from the thread that Zander has, except during his exchanges with BFG and me. In fact, his cases against Niniel and Lenlo seem to be delayed, and he's pushing at a lot of people, but not really establishing a foothold. I don't even understand the argument he had with me or BFG, but more on that later.

 

I think BFG noticing this lack of engagement from Zander merits a slight town lean. 

 

 

I mean is your assumption i said it to cast suspicion? Then i gave up on my own wolfy accord?

 

Seems like youre just annoyed im not opening up.

partly yes, because other part is it just frankly doesn't make sense to me.

so your not exactly helping me read you

 

 

Do you feel Sili is playing differently then he normally does?

 

If so how?

 

By not opening up?

 

Do you think Sili marching to the beat of his own drum so to speak is odd?

 

 

4. What did you think about Sili? Again, another zinger (you are dripping with pond scum, Zander). Set of leading questions here: Do you feel Sili is playing differently - second question is if so, assuming you answer yes - third question is how is by not opening up, kind of providing the answer to the second question - and the last question is Sili marching to the beat of his own drum, is it odd, implying that you think that there should be an opinion that it may be odd. 

 

You attempted to guide someone to think the same way you do by asking leading questions, or at least set up an expectation of the answer that you can control. I would expect town!Zander to openly state his opinions and then ask questions separately about them. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also ganna give sili a light town read.

dem page 4 reads are op.

hallia and i are probably very easy and necessary reads at this point.

 

I would hazard an agreement there.  Leaning town on you.  And Seph.  And BFG.  and...well no one has done anything wolfie....YET.

 

Curious as to why I'm in your lean town list?

 

Sili, why 'necessary'?

 

 

I think Dice called you Town as well.

 

I dont feel youve done anything atp that puts you out of your Scum!BFG range imo.

 

Don't you normally dive into your catch up 'raw' so to speak, why did you read ahead this time?

 

Is diving into catch up "raw" something that town!Zander does? Did you find him reading ahead scummy? 

 

 

Ok, thanks Sili :)

 

Seph, I think we were teammates in the only game I remember you as mafia in :p and fair :)

 

You subbed in for seph one game where I was also Scum iirc.  I think it was a WoT game perhaps.

 

 

I subbed in for Seph in the Tarpon Gai'don game, Seph subbed in for me in 9-5(?) but the only game I remember playing together when he was mafia was Pokemon, when I subbed in as mafia.

 

 

Worth noting that if Seph flips mafia Laine is probably town, but Seph is probably town anyway :p

 

 

ummmmmm what?????

 

Has Laine even posted yet......???

 

No

 

why does that change a read that's conditional on Seph being mafia. Seph said something about Laine I don't think is m/m very often, so if Seph is mafia, Laine is probably town.

 

Why aren't you questioning the fact that I've said that Sept is probably town, when you apparently disagree?

 

 

I'm still attempting to find the post that you're referring to here about Seph saying something about Laine. Could you point it out for me? 

 

5. Good catch on the second point. Zander, you are more focused on Laine being town rather than Seph's alignment, even though I'd be wary of making these sort of unflipped associatives and call BFG for making these. Why only call out one problem with this post and not all of them?

 

 

Checking in. Haven't read any of the last 6 (?) Pages. Checking out, bye.

 

NEED MORE LAINEYGOAT LDO!!!!!

 

I've already mentioned this. You say buddying w/ laine is null indicative, but that's what you said last time in WoW, I don't really know if I can trust this or not. 

 

 

 

 

I numbered responses in the spoiler:

 

1. You didnt say I was out of my Sum range you said I was Scummt for things that were Null tho.  This seems a tad twisty imo.

 

2. Again more twisty where did I say Dice read of BFG influenced my read ON ANYONE?

 

- Involvement and content and line of questioning.  She wasnt clear of that atp.  Id say shes prolly just about of it now.

 

3.  This is just straight up BS.  Ive been the one calling things out and people are sheeping ME on them FFS

 

4. Are you even reading my posts?  Im Scummy for asking questions?  Im trying to get seph to open up on Sili.  What does my opinion on Sili have to do with me getting seph's opinion on him.  This is awful.  Im not guiding anyone Im asking questions,  Id like to think as EITHER alignment youre better then this after seeing you in WoW.

 

5. Again shows youre not paying attention to the PAGES long back and forth between me and BFG.  That read had nothing to do with Laine or seph's alignment per se it was that by BFG's comment if she was Scum buddies with sepg her comment would not only lead to clearing Laine but also HERSELF.

 

6. ASK OTHERS FFS ABOUT THE CRAP I SAY IS NULL!!!!! OR READ THE THREAD AS OTHERS ARE COMMENTING ON IT THEMSELVES!!!!

 

 

1. What do you mean twisty? I have never seen you town, nor have followed your games when you did rand town. When you were wolfing in both WoW and the mash, the one thing I picked up and tried to coach you about in the Mafia QT/Skype chat was precisely the one thing I have been emphasizing over and over again. 

2. Yes, you never said that, but I assume that when you point out posts that you point out, that you should have a REASON for doing so. Why pick out posts that don't influence your read on people, how does that contribute? You not being influenced by that in it of itself is a bad look. I had a specific problem with you choosing this post, and here you're not even trying to explain to me your thought process at the time for choosing this. That's scummy to me.

- again with the BFG meta thing, why was she not clear at that point, why is she clear now?

3. I'm not saying that you are sheeping people, rather, I'm pointing at the lack of involvement you have in the present moment unless you are engaged in full tunnel on someone. You could be sheeping people by formulating your posts while reading the thread and adjusting what you say to it while you are in 'delay' mode, but I can't know that. I still see the tail end of it, so that's what I was pointing out.

4. I never said you were scummy for asking questions. I saw this set of questions as inherently scummy, because it seemed that at every point you were asking this set of questions, you had an answer that you expected the other person to have, and you were framing the question in a way as to guide them to it. That's what a leading question is, and that's what I disliked.

5. I skipped a lot of the long back and forth between you and BFG because again, I didn't want to dive into that when I was already irritated. I don't understand what you mean by that. Do you mean that because of what seph said about BFG and Laine that clearing BFG would clear Laine too, if Seph were scum? I can see why that's the case, but I have all three as town. What happens then? I liked that BFG was pointing out that you didn't really ask her about Seph, and instead focusing on Lainey instead. Also, the post you made seemed to be more shocked that Lainey merited a town read for even not posting (bringing to my mind echoes of this isn't fair, she gets town read for not even posting), rather than even mentioning or touching on Seph. Lainey/you never w/w. 

6. I'm starting to, but Lainey confirming what I was thinking about you, with the delay, just made more confident of my read.

 

 

Im gonna TRY to not be hostile here,

 

1. Because you said you said the same thing WHICH YOU DIDNT.

 

2. Just read the red ffs.

 

3. You know Im the #1 poster and NO ONE has been more real time active in the thread then I have right?

 

4. Just read the red ffs.

 

5. Ive explained this numerous times. 

 

6. More BS.

 

I'm trying not to be hostile either.

1. I never said I said the same thing. 

2. You still didn't answer my question. Ugh

3. I do know, but you were top poster in the mash d1 until I made a conscious effort to overtake you. You were super close to being modkilled also. Another thing is that is IRRELEVANT because you can replicate this as a wolf, and that isn't addressing the point I made with what posts you were choosing, why you were pushing who you were, and everything that I just said.

4. Don't dodge the question, actually answer it.

5. Not well enough, apparently. 

6. Excuse me? Do you know that's why the number reason why I'm town reading Lainey?

 

 

1. SEE GREEN

 

2. I call out things I see one way or the other?  This concept seem strange to you?

 

3. I think ive explained my reads.  Also you say im delayed and not in real time.  Which is FALSE.

 

4. Sili seems Sili like Ive commented on him as well already.

 

5. Read better.

 

6. So you Town reading Lainey for something that is false?  Prolly pro Town strat imo....

 

1. I said a similar enough thing that I thought you could understand where I was coming from.

2. No, but then again, what you are repeating over and over again is NOT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW, NOR WHAT I SAID. 

3. Reading the thread tells me that besides your tunnel on me and your back and forth with some people I've pointed out already, you poke people way after they've made their posts. I expect a town Zander to be significantly DIFFERENT from his scum meta, which is exactly what I've been saying the entire time.

4. I wanted to know your thought process at the time SO I COULD UNDERSTAND how you arrived at that conclusion. It's easy to manufacture reads with no explanations.

5. Uh...has this degarded into mudslinging?

6. I'm reading her as town for a mindmeld over you. I don't think that's anti-town at all.

[BFG]

I need a second opinion. Hallia's would be best since she's the only other town in that game and this

 

Yours or Sili's might work but you weren't paying attention and I don't think Sili was either and besides you were both mafia in that game

[wish-tree]

Ive never been offended by Sili. Only frustrated. Incredibly frustrated.

 

Welcome to phone thoughts. this was completed over the course of 20-30 minutes on a phone. Have fun.

 

Not Ordered

 

1. Darthe - Middle of PoE. Do something super towny or super wolfy. I just want you to move somewhere on the ladder

2. Thane Vakarian - Absent

3. BFG - Towny. I questioned her Seph/Laine post because I was curious, not because I thought it was wolfy. Gettin that BS out of the way now

4. Hallia - Town.

5. Zander - Posted alot, my eyes glazed over alot of his big quotes. Whats the case against him Clov? I remember you having one, mentioning he has an effort difference between me and Niniel. Null leaning town

6. Sili Quirrels - God... I really want to call him wolf but I cant tell if thats more my incredible frustration with him and his godforsaken attitude or because hes been wolfy. His argument against me is crap and so is how he treated it. I left to calm down earlier today and wouldnt fight lynching Niniel instead, cause it will give me to to figure out if its frustration or legit.

7. Katiora - Floating around alot. Null leaning town?

8. dicetosser1 - Null. Posts but remember nothing important. Last post of his I remember was like... pg 20 or somethign

9. Lenlo - Hi

10. Niniel - Wolfy

11. Clovdyx - Town

12. Seph - Wheres he been lately? Timezones? Theres not as much energy here as what I saw last game, only other game with him. Call him wolfy.

13. LilyElizabeth - Again need more. She says shes confused where teh thread is going? Either her or Lizabeth said that I think. Null

14. Wishtree/Stork hydra  - Wistork - Stork doesnt exist, Wish is asking alot of questions but not really following up on anything that matters imo. Looks like alot of busy work. Null to slightly wolfy.

15. alannalynn - Leaning Town. I disagree with some of her reads naturally, but shes trying and the posts she makes dont have problems

16. Lizabeth - Want more. I dont even remember posts from her

 

 

Twisting is frankly a stupid argument in mafia games like 90% of the time.

 

There's no inflection or body language, most of us don't know one another and we are all trying to either trick or judge one another. Good luck avoiding different perspectives

 

Yeah but some meanings or more likely then others, so when you start presenting it as one of the least likely ones, theres a problem.

Okay, so I was right, you are hesistant to give Sili a scum read because you're afraid your annoyance is getting in the way, yes? Who do you want to lynch if you think that you could be potentially wrong on him?

 

Can you explain your Niniel, Seph, and Liz reads? Perhaps you already explained the Niniel one in previous posts, but a tl;dr would suffice. Seph has been towny for me, what do you mean by him not having that much energy (do you mean that he just has less engagement with the thread/presence)? Why did you put "want more" from Liz instead of just giving her a null read with the person you mixed her up with, LilyElizabeth?

 

Are the null leaning x reads influenced by gut reads or are there actual reasons behind them? 

 

Why do you think what I am posting is no longer relevant to the thread/following up on things? Why is playing catch up equivalent to busy work?

[BFG]

Wish, you said you hate doing tone reads and may as well flip a coin... so why spend time doing first post analysis instead of something you find more useful/accurate?