[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Sili Quirrels]

so i will persist in blissful ignorance k.

[Hallia]

 

In what world would Hallia vote to lynch someone she thought was doc?

 

Actually, if Hallia said it, I'm killing her too.

Said what???

[BFG]

 

In what world would Hallia vote to lynch someone she thought was doc?

 

Actually, if Hallia said it, I'm killing her too.

 

Heh fair :)

[Sili Quirrels]

darthe laine and clov. u guys tell me who to vote. majority get's my vote imo.

[BFG]

I think this is barking up the wrong tree though

[Clovdyx]

 

No?

 

But if you were 3rd party why would you assume that mafia were only 3 in a 16 player setup?

 

 

The only thing that I can come up with is if he randed SK and thought "Wow, 11-4-1 with two kills is extreme.  Maybe it's 12-3."  The only alternative that makes sense is if he's mafia and was trying to go for the derpclear, like I suggested to Sili.

[BFG]

Ok thanks

[Clovdyx]

 

 

In what world would Hallia vote to lynch someone she thought was doc?

Actually, if Hallia said it, I'm killing her too.

Said what???

 

 

That you were told at the start of the game that Niniel was the counterpart to you.

 

For the record, I don't believe for a second you DID say this.  And honestly, I'm not even sure what Wish is saying indicated that either you or Niniel claimed that.  

[LilyElizabeth]

After my ISO, I didn't have a read either way on Dice, but Clov's comments have swayed me. 

 

Vote Dice

[Sili Quirrels]

i wonder if clov will ever get frustrated that there are so many wolves because no one is listening to him..

[Sili Quirrels]

i don't know if it's just me but i'm finding people a lot less persuasive this game.

[Niniel]

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Niniel (7) - Besie, Katiora, Sili, Hallia, Wistork, Lenlo, Clov

Lenlo (2) - Niniel, dice

Dice (1) - BFG

Besie (1) - Darthe

 

 

Not Voting (3) - Lily, Alanna, Lizabeth,

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. 

 

NINIEL IS AT L-1.

 

Deadline: Friday, June 10, 4:30pm CDT

 

If people think that Dice and Niniel are teamed, why are we running up Niniel with no counterwagon on Dice?

 

[v]Dice[/v]

Also wolfy. If you dont believe the claim why not challenge it? Backing off but then still pushing the other half based on a w/w relationship is hyper wolfing

 

 

I agree with this.

 

And before we move on - how come you don´t know about Nirvana?! 

 

So I claim. Wish comes into the thread 35 minutes after. Then she doesn´t talk about my claim at first but rather how Kat handled my claim. She also talked with Liz about Nirvana being a girl band (!!!!). Hally posted that she can varify my claim. Wish talks more about Nirvana and Kat and then she challange me claiming doc when she thought I was claiming cop. This is the post. 

 

Nin said she had a reason for reading Hallia as town, but Nin never claimed cop. If you're doc, saving someone doesn't make them auto town

 

???

 

can you explain this?

 

I would say that this shows very much that you thought I was cop and now you tried to make my doc claim look suspicious. You still didn´t unvote me. So I can´t see any conclusions other than you believed my claim but voted me anyway.

 

First a bit later you saw Hally´s post and unvoted. 

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Niniel (7) - Besie, Katiora, Sili, Hallia, Wistork, Lenlo, Clov

Lenlo (2) - Niniel, dice

Dice (1) - BFG

Besie (1) - Darthe

 

 

Not Voting (3) - Lily, Alanna, Lizabeth,

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. 

 

NINIEL IS AT L-1.

 

Deadline: Friday, June 10, 4:30pm CDT

 

If people think that Dice and Niniel are teamed, why are we running up Niniel with no counterwagon on Dice?

 

[v]Dice[/v]

Also wolfy. If you dont believe the claim why not challenge it? Backing off but then still pushing the other half based on a w/w relationship is hyper wolfing

 

 

I agree with this.

 

And before we move on - how come 

 

Nin said she had a reason for reading Hallia as town, but Nin never claimed cop. If you're doc, saving someone doesn't make them auto town

 

???

 

can you explain this?

 

[Sili Quirrels]

[v]dice[/v]

 

i guess.

[Hallia]

 

 

 

In what world would Hallia vote to lynch someone she thought was doc?

Actually, if Hallia said it, I'm killing her too.

Said what???

That you were told at the start of the game that Niniel was the counterpart to you.

 

For the record, I don't believe for a second you DID say this. And honestly, I'm not even sure what Wish is saying indicated that either you or Niniel claimed that.

H to the NO

[wish-tree]

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-63?do=findComment&comment=3663800

 

The above is about Hallia. Again, I was doubting that this many people were just town reading her because of ~reasons, but I got really distracted from this when Darthe started to say that he could see Zander as being scum, and presented the punctuation case on seph. I often use punctuation tells on people to find things that are iffy, so that made me really like his posts.

 

I asked Chris about his Darthe/Hallia read because I just didn't think there were that many cops in the game... lol

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-65?do=findComment&comment=3663836

 

Then Darthe told me to give Zander some room, which I liked, because I felt maybe I was being biased:

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-73?do=findComment&comment=3664010

 

So I tested him with a town read. I didn't find it problematic b/c I thought it wasn't a bad idea to do, especially because I naturally clash with Zander even when we are mafia together.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-101?do=findComment&comment=3664666

 

That's why I backed off. 

 

Seph saying this:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-112?do=findComment&comment=3664909

 

made me think Darthe was even townier.

 

But after Seph's flip, I think that all my reads are broken, so I decide I should probably return to my original reads (scrap and start over)

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-126?do=findComment&comment=3665189

 

Note that this is about Niniel, but I was hinting also at my original reads of Lenlo = Town, Dice = Town, Darthe = Scum, Thane = Scum, Niniel = Scum, Hallia = Scum

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-129?do=findComment&comment=3665267

 

more Hallia doubt. 

 

idk, I just thought Hallia was super scummy for the seph thing, and I ended up basing a lot of reads on how people treated her.

[Clovdyx]

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-107?do=findComment&comment=3664795

 

the first part was kind of a lie, I was sort of protecting her, because I thought she was a town cop. 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-107?do=findComment&comment=3664798

 

here I demonstrate a bit of wifom at the n0s regarding seph and Hallia, but I wasn't sure. I didn't think it was possible for Hallia to n0 seph and Nin to also N0 Hallia. I thought at that point it was highly likely that DM didn't do N0s, but I didn't want to accuse Nin until it was absolutely certain - she softed a role and I thought it could definitely be legit:

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-107?do=findComment&comment=3664803

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-107?do=findComment&comment=3664810

 

I wasn't sure here either in the above, because I wasn't sure if Nin was lying or not, so I was trying to test to see if other people were defending Hallia for BS reasons.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-110?do=findComment&comment=3664863

 

In the above, I show that I think that Nin is very wolfy but I still read her as town primarily because of associative reasons, but secretly because of softing reasons. 

 

After seph flips, I think that Hallia looks even more suspect for knowing his alignment, and think that because of who I thought Nin peeked, she could be defending a scum buddy.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-126?do=findComment&comment=3665189

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-169?do=findComment&comment=3666295

 

my reads list reflects this, as shown above. This was in the morning today.

 

 

Finding my Darthe process now for you.

 

Most of this "makes sense", and I kind of see how you could have been semi-defending her if you thought she was a protective role.  But just to make sure, the bold means you thought Hallia had TMI-read Seph as town as the basis for a cop hint while Niniel was hinting a fake peek on Hallia, her potential teammate?

 

Is that correct?

[wish-tree]

and then today I got distracted by Nin, but then seeing Darthe refusing to vote her and voting Besie instead, while saying she could be scum really bugged me, especially when I thought she was lying. 

 

and he said this: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-158?do=findComment&comment=3666022

 

but doesn't vote? 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-172?do=findComment&comment=3666365

 

 

When Sili said, darthe, did you just claim Mafia [http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-162?do=findComment&comment=3666123], here:

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-162?do=findComment&comment=3666120

 

I was like, nah, no one's THAT dumb.

 

But then Chris brought up claiming 3P, which I thought referred to the post I just linked, and I was like, wait, hmm...

 

so that's where I'm at. 

[Sili Quirrels]

lol

 

i knew that darthe meant he wanted to get in everyone's grill to figure them out, inside-out. but i twisted that around to make a joke which he took a little seriously. goes to show he wasn't thinking figuratively in that moment so it probably means he's town because he didn't get my humor - and he perhaps would have if he had been lying.

[wish-tree]

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-107?do=findComment&comment=3664795

 

the first part was kind of a lie, I was sort of protecting her, because I thought she was a town cop. 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-107?do=findComment&comment=3664798

 

here I demonstrate a bit of wifom at the n0s regarding seph and Hallia, but I wasn't sure. I didn't think it was possible for Hallia to n0 seph and Nin to also N0 Hallia. I thought at that point it was highly likely that DM didn't do N0s, but I didn't want to accuse Nin until it was absolutely certain - she softed a role and I thought it could definitely be legit:

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-107?do=findComment&comment=3664803

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-107?do=findComment&comment=3664810

 

I wasn't sure here either in the above, because I wasn't sure if Nin was lying or not, so I was trying to test to see if other people were defending Hallia for BS reasons.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-110?do=findComment&comment=3664863

 

In the above, I show that I think that Nin is very wolfy but I still read her as town primarily because of associative reasons, but secretly because of softing reasons. 

 

After seph flips, I think that Hallia looks even more suspect for knowing his alignment, and think that because of who I thought Nin peeked, she could be defending a scum buddy.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-126?do=findComment&comment=3665189

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-169?do=findComment&comment=3666295

 

my reads list reflects this, as shown above. This was in the morning today.

 

 

Finding my Darthe process now for you.

 

Most of this "makes sense", and I kind of see how you could have been semi-defending her if you thought she was a protective role.  But just to make sure, the bold means you thought Hallia had TMI-read Seph as town as the basis for a cop hint while Niniel was hinting a fake peek on Hallia, her potential teammate?

 

Is that correct?

 

no, at first near beginning of day I thought Hallia was reading Seph as town to clear her town and have a good claim, but then after I ISO'd seph, I thought that he and Hallia were openly wolfing in the thread. Then for a bit while I was tunneling on seph, I thought he TMI cleared her as 'his town buddy', and then I thought Niniel's green on Hallia made sense. That's why I was very unwilling to vote Niniel during that time. After the EOD with the way it ended, with hallia not defending seph that strongly, and him flipping VT, I thought that Hallia was still a wolf. 

 

Then Niniel, I thought it could be possible that she had a green on Hallia, but at first I didn't believe her claim, until she softed, which was around the same time seph was being called out for spewing Hallia.

[wish-tree]

that's why at eod, when Katiora said, so is Nin a possible wolf, hmm?

 

I said, yes, I need to scrap my reads and start over from scratch. 

[Sili Quirrels]

dunno if you're telling the truth but a wolf doing what you did and going over all your content to create a through line - well that's ballsy.

[Sili Quirrels]

excuse me, i suppose i should use a gender neutral term like gutsy.

[Sili Quirrels]

idk.

 

but ppl know what i mean. that's all i care about.

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Niniel (7) - Besie, Katiora, Sili, Hallia, Wistork, Lenlo, Clov

Lenlo (2) - Niniel, dice

Dice (1) - BFG

Besie (1) - Darthe

 

 

Not Voting (3) - Lily, Alanna, Lizabeth,

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. 

 

NINIEL IS AT L-1.

 

Deadline: Friday, June 10, 4:30pm CDT

 

If people think that Dice and Niniel are teamed, why are we running up Niniel with no counterwagon on Dice?

 

[v]Dice[/v]

Also wolfy. If you dont believe the claim why not challenge it? Backing off but then still pushing the other half based on a w/w relationship is hyper wolfing

 

 

I agree with this.

 

And before we move on - how come you don´t know about Nirvana?! 

 

I was born overseas in a non-English speaking country near the end of the 90s, only heard about Nirvana in passing before this game, only looked it up about twoish (idk) hours ago to check Dice's claim. I didn't watch any of the videos, soz. 

 

So I claim. Wish comes into the thread 35 minutes after. Then she doesn´t talk about my claim at first but rather how Kat handled my claim. She also talked with Liz about Nirvana being a girl band (!!!!). Hally posted that she can varify my claim. Wish talks more about Nirvana and Kat and then she challange me claiming doc when she thought I was claiming cop. This is the post. 

 

Nin said she had a reason for reading Hallia as town, but Nin never claimed cop. If you're doc, saving someone doesn't make them auto town

 

???

 

can you explain this?

 

I would say that this shows very much that you thought I was cop and now you tried to make my doc claim look suspicious. You still didn´t unvote me. So I can´t see any conclusions other than you believed my claim but voted me anyway.

 

I didn't believe you because your claim doesn't make sense if you are a doc only. I thought you were cop, and when you weren't, then you were lying to me. I had no idea that docs could talk to other docs. Also, Hallia had voted you at the beginning of day, so I didn't think she knew your alignment but you knew hers, which indicated either a cop or a mafia TMI relationship. 

 

First a bit later you saw Hally´s post and unvoted. 

 

That's because she claimed your other half, and I was scum reading both of you, I didn't think you guys would link yourselves that publicly if you were scum together, and you said you were a limited doc, so hallia saying the other limited doc would make sense. 

 

[wish-tree]

excuse me, i suppose i should use a gender neutral term like gutsy.

I'm a girl, but you can make fun of my nonexistent body parts