[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

Niniel · June 10, 2016

well, you ninja'd me

I thought you had a n0 on Hallia, which makes no sense in this setup

The thing is, you thought that I was cop. Why else bring it up when I claimed doc? You were trying to say that I fooled you by claiming something that I can´t know if I´m not cop. That means that you thought I was cop but still voted me.

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[v] Wish [/v]

wish-tree · June 10, 2016

well, you ninja'd me

I thought you had a n0 on Hallia, which makes no sense in this setup

The thing is, you thought that I was cop. Why else bring it up when I claimed doc? You were trying to say that I fooled you by claiming something that I can´t know if I´m not cop. That means that you thought I was cop but still voted me.

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[v] Wish [/v]

dude

read

the

rest

of

my

explanation

DOES THIS THREAD LACK READING COMPREHENSION?

Clovdyx · June 10, 2016

Okay, you meant D1. I assumed you meant real life yesterday. That's my bad - sorry. That doesn't change the fact that there's other things besides a N0 peek that would have given Niniel reason to trust Hallia. And you didn't care.

I'm fully aware of how you string somebody up for a mechanical lie. I'm also fully aware you should pretty much always string somebody up when you catch them lying about their play. You're not exactly inspiring me.

So I'm sorry that you don't think I'm playing nicely, but I'm forced to choose between "Wow, Lenore played this really poorly." and "Wow, Lenore is mafia, and probably played this really poorly." But I'm really not that sorry.

BFG · June 10, 2016

Chris, what do you think of Lenlo's voting today?

Clovdyx · June 10, 2016

my main problem with voting Besie, as I've said before, is Darthe

Sorry if this is too paranoid, but I have to wonder after you hard defended me yesterday, and then said oh, wish could be mafia, after Zander brought up that I like to derp clear as mafia, when he has no knowledge of my town game. BFG, I get why you think that my push of Zander was weird, but yeah, his push of me was just as tunnelly because we only know each other's mafia ranges and have a certain idea of them.

Your main problem with voting the person you ARE voting...is Darthe. The person who has been on her all day. The person who you followed on Seph yesterday. The person whose reasons you backed, even when I pointed out how terrible they were, and then doubled down on them.

I CHANGED MY MIND AFTER YESTERDAY.

OMG

CHRIS

YOU SHOULD KNOW I FLIP FLOP NATURALLY

You do flip flop naturally. I'll give you that.

My concern is you flip flopping unnaturally.

if you're any bit aware of my meta, I cannot make up my mind

halfway through one post I change my mind about a read and write down the opposite read

I did a complete flip on Darthe after he hard defended me for the entire day 1 and then said, nah bruh, she might be mafia b/c of the biased account Zander had of my play

then, combined with the there must be only 3 mafia in a 16 man setup - which you and Sili pointed out was probably TMI, made me not think well of him

Like here - you did a complete flip on Darthe after his change on you D1. Okay. Show me. Because I don't remember you bringing him up at all today.

wish-tree · June 10, 2016

Okay, you meant D1. I assumed you meant real life yesterday. That's my bad - sorry. That doesn't change the fact that there's other things besides a N0 peek that would have given Niniel reason to trust Hallia. And you didn't care.

I'm fully aware of how you string somebody up for a mechanical lie. I'm also fully aware you should pretty much always string somebody up when you catch them lying about their play. You're not exactly inspiring me.

So I'm sorry that you don't think I'm playing nicely, but I'm forced to choose between "Wow, Lenore played this really poorly." and "Wow, Lenore is mafia, and probably played this really poorly." But I'm really not that sorry.

So you don't have a good opinion of my play, is that it?

I'm not lying about my play at all. I've never played a setup in which the town docs knew that the other person was a doc, and I didn't really get it in combination with a doc claim. How am I lying about my play if I don't really know other reasons for why Niniel would trust Hallia?

wish-tree · June 10, 2016

my main problem with voting Besie, as I've said before, is Darthe

Sorry if this is too paranoid, but I have to wonder after you hard defended me yesterday, and then said oh, wish could be mafia, after Zander brought up that I like to derp clear as mafia, when he has no knowledge of my town game. BFG, I get why you think that my push of Zander was weird, but yeah, his push of me was just as tunnelly because we only know each other's mafia ranges and have a certain idea of them.

Your main problem with voting the person you ARE voting...is Darthe. The person who has been on her all day. The person who you followed on Seph yesterday. The person whose reasons you backed, even when I pointed out how terrible they were, and then doubled down on them.

I CHANGED MY MIND AFTER YESTERDAY.

OMG

CHRIS

YOU SHOULD KNOW I FLIP FLOP NATURALLY

You do flip flop naturally. I'll give you that.

My concern is you flip flopping unnaturally.

if you're any bit aware of my meta, I cannot make up my mind

halfway through one post I change my mind about a read and write down the opposite read

I did a complete flip on Darthe after he hard defended me for the entire day 1 and then said, nah bruh, she might be mafia b/c of the biased account Zander had of my play

then, combined with the there must be only 3 mafia in a 16 man setup - which you and Sili pointed out was probably TMI, made me not think well of him

Like here - you did a complete flip on Darthe after his change on you D1. Okay. Show me. Because I don't remember you bringing him up at all today.

Okay. give me a few minutes to bring up links.

BFG · June 10, 2016

And why do you think Darthe is 3rd party?

Clovdyx · June 10, 2016

Chris, what do you think of Lenlo's voting today?

I have no problem with his voting today. He was suspicious of her yesterday and only moved off so his vote mattered. Him going back there today when she's a viable candidate makes sense to me.

I think Dice is mafia, and that should ~clear Lenlo. Again, no issue with him going there.

Honestly, after the way he's explained his thought process today, I'm not sure anything short of a red check could make me interested in pushing him this game.

Clovdyx · June 10, 2016

And why do you think Darthe is 3rd party?

Is this to me?

BFG · June 10, 2016

And why do you think Darthe is 3rd party?

Is this to me?

Yes

Niniel · June 10, 2016

I said that I had good reasons for thinking Hallia was town. There are a lot of in game reasons for a read like that. Maybe I just saw a post that I liked? (Which is the truth.)

I´ll go back and find one of your posts.

Clovdyx · June 10, 2016

Okay, you meant D1. I assumed you meant real life yesterday. That's my bad - sorry. That doesn't change the fact that there's other things besides a N0 peek that would have given Niniel reason to trust Hallia. And you didn't care.

I'm fully aware of how you string somebody up for a mechanical lie. I'm also fully aware you should pretty much always string somebody up when you catch them lying about their play. You're not exactly inspiring me.

So I'm sorry that you don't think I'm playing nicely, but I'm forced to choose between "Wow, Lenore played this really poorly." and "Wow, Lenore is mafia, and probably played this really poorly." But I'm really not that sorry.

So you don't have a good opinion of my play, is that it?

I'm not lying about my play at all. I've never played a setup in which the town docs knew that the other person was a doc, and I didn't really get it in combination with a doc claim. How am I lying about my play if I don't really know other reasons for why Niniel would trust Hallia?

I've never played in that setup either, and I'm 99% sure that wasn't the case here. I don't think either one of them said anything to suggest that was the case. If only Niniel said it - and not Hallia - I'm probably lynching her because that doesn't seem like the kind of thing that a mod would tell one of them.

Niniel · June 10, 2016

@ Wish

Clovdyx · June 10, 2016

Actually, if Hallia said it, I'm killing her too.

BFG · June 10, 2016

Chris, what do you think of Lenlo's voting today?

I have no problem with his voting today. He was suspicious of her yesterday and only moved off so his vote mattered. Him going back there today when she's a viable candidate makes sense to me.

I think Dice is mafia, and that should ~clear Lenlo. Again, no issue with him going there.

Honestly, after the way he's explained his thought process today, I'm not sure anything short of a red check could make me interested in pushing him this game.

I have minor problems with how late his vote was if he was so intent on lynching her yesterday :unsure: I'm used to Lenlo being more proactive as town

I did like his responses to Dice though

Clovdyx · June 10, 2016

And why do you think Darthe is 3rd party?

Is this to me?

Yes

At any point in this game, from the time sign ups filled to right now, thought there was even the slightest possibility the setup is 13 - 3?

More importantly, and admittedly a little dirty, do you think Key (with the help from Cory) would run a basic game where town made up over 80% of the game? Like, is that EVER happening?

wish-tree · June 10, 2016

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-107?do=findComment&comment=3664795

the first part was kind of a lie, I was sort of protecting her, because I thought she was a town cop.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-107?do=findComment&comment=3664798

here I demonstrate a bit of wifom at the n0s regarding seph and Hallia, but I wasn't sure. I didn't think it was possible for Hallia to n0 seph and Nin to also N0 Hallia. I thought at that point it was highly likely that DM didn't do N0s, but I didn't want to accuse Nin until it was absolutely certain - she softed a role and I thought it could definitely be legit:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-107?do=findComment&comment=3664803

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-107?do=findComment&comment=3664810

I wasn't sure here either in the above, because I wasn't sure if Nin was lying or not, so I was trying to test to see if other people were defending Hallia for BS reasons.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-110?do=findComment&comment=3664863

In the above, I show that I think that Nin is very wolfy but I still read her as town primarily because of associative reasons, but secretly because of softing reasons.

After seph flips, I think that Hallia looks even more suspect for knowing his alignment, and think that because of who I thought Nin peeked, she could be defending a scum buddy.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-126?do=findComment&comment=3665189

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-169?do=findComment&comment=3666295

my reads list reflects this, as shown above. This was in the morning today.

Finding my Darthe process now for you.

BFG · June 10, 2016

Okay, you meant D1. I assumed you meant real life yesterday. That's my bad - sorry. That doesn't change the fact that there's other things besides a N0 peek that would have given Niniel reason to trust Hallia. And you didn't care.

I'm fully aware of how you string somebody up for a mechanical lie. I'm also fully aware you should pretty much always string somebody up when you catch them lying about their play. You're not exactly inspiring me.

So I'm sorry that you don't think I'm playing nicely, but I'm forced to choose between "Wow, Lenore played this really poorly." and "Wow, Lenore is mafia, and probably played this really poorly." But I'm really not that sorry.

So you don't have a good opinion of my play, is that it?

I'm not lying about my play at all. I've never played a setup in which the town docs knew that the other person was a doc, and I didn't really get it in combination with a doc claim. How am I lying about my play if I don't really know other reasons for why Niniel would trust Hallia?

I've never played in that setup either, and I'm 99% sure that wasn't the case here. I don't think either one of them said anything to suggest that was the case. If only Niniel said it - and not Hallia - I'm probably lynching her because that doesn't seem like the kind of thing that a mod would tell one of them.

In what world would Hallia vote to lynch someone she thought was doc?

Darthe · June 10, 2016

if you're any bit aware of my meta, I cannot make up my mind

halfway through one post I change my mind about a read and write down the opposite read

I did a complete flip on Darthe after he hard defended me for the entire day 1 and then said, nah bruh, she might be mafia b/c of the biased account Zander had of my play

then, combined with the there must be only 3 mafia in a 16 man setup - which you and Sili pointed out was probably TMI, made me not think well of him

...last game?

Hallia · June 10, 2016

I know what Nin caught. She's astute.

BFG · June 10, 2016

And why do you think Darthe is 3rd party?

Is this to me?

Yes

At any point in this game, from the time sign ups filled to right now, thought there was even the slightest possibility the setup is 13 - 3?

More importantly, and admittedly a little dirty, do you think Key (with the help from Cory) would run a basic game where town made up over 80% of the game? Like, is that EVER happening?

No?

But if you were 3rd party why would you assume that mafia were only 3 in a 16 player setup?

wish-tree · June 10, 2016

if you're any bit aware of my meta, I cannot make up my mind

halfway through one post I change my mind about a read and write down the opposite read

I did a complete flip on Darthe after he hard defended me for the entire day 1 and then said, nah bruh, she might be mafia b/c of the biased account Zander had of my play

then, combined with the there must be only 3 mafia in a 16 man setup - which you and Sili pointed out was probably TMI, made me not think well of him

...last game?

no, when I started questioning you today and asked you if you were pocketing me yesterday, I was starting to feel very queasy about you.

I'm finding that for you. Wasn't sure about the last question mark in the last reads list I put up. My original reads list included you in there as scum. I just was unsure if I should put that in or not.

Sili Quirrels · June 10, 2016

:/

i don't want... whatever this is.

Clovdyx · June 10, 2016

In what world would Hallia vote to lynch someone she thought was doc?

Actually, if Hallia said it, I'm killing her too.

[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

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