[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Lizabeth]

Zander 582 Sili Quirrels 418 wish-tree 335 Darthe 229 BFG 213 seph 167 Clovdyx 143 Hallia 142 Katiora 120 Lenlo 117 alannalynn 103 keyholder21 84 Lizabeth 79 Stork 71 dicetosser1 67 BlomBesie 60 LilyElizabeth 49 Niniel 29 Thane Vakarian 6 cory caboose 1

I just have to pause to respond to this - Look at the numbers posted by the top posters. There's your answer.

 

i considered myself a postwhore before playing this game. When I wasn't around for the first two days of D1 - wasn't even going to play this game unless it started after my vacation but compromised since it was starting the Sunday and I could join in on the Monday - come home after work to 42 pages. Catch up with 22 pages, and then jump in to try to post in real time. Then come home from work again the next night to another 50 pages...

 

And I was obviously wrong - you did post more than me. But for some reason I don't remember much of what you said or did until I read the end of day tonight. So why is that?

[BFG]

Dice are HftDR and Matrix your most recent mafia games? I think I'm missing one

[dicetosser1]

 

I´m town and seph was town so I took a look at the votecounts to see if there were people that were on both of our trains. It seems that there weren´t. There were a lot of people having me as a possible lynch though. Need to look at them. Anyway, here is from when I had most votes.

 

Nini - Hallia, Zander, Clov, Kat, Laine, Sili, Lenlo

 

7 votes. All of them moved to someone else. Here are those who lynched seph:

 

Seph - Darthe, Besie, Dice, Wish, Lenlo, Lily

 

 

The only one who where on both trains is Lenlo, who I thought was mafia anyway. It´s obvious that he wanted to lynch anyone except himself. He didn´t vote Wish though.

 

Since Lenlo was one of my main suspects before this doesn´t look better for him. I will take a look at who on seph´s train that had me as a back up at the end of the day. It´s a bit tricky to search for my name since there are a lot of versions of it. 

 

 

 

 

 

I´m town and seph was town so I took a look at the votecounts to see if there were people that were on both of our trains. It seems that there weren´t. There were a lot of people having me as a possible lynch though. Need to look at them. Anyway, here is from when I had most votes.

 

Nini - Hallia, Zander, Clov, Kat, Laine, Sili, Lenlo

 

7 votes. All of them moved to someone else. Here are those who lynched seph:

 

Seph - Darthe, Besie, Dice, Wish, Lenlo, Lily

 

 

The only one who where on both trains is Lenlo, who I thought was mafia anyway. It´s obvious that he wanted to lynch anyone except himself. He didn´t vote Wish though.

 

Since Lenlo was one of my main suspects before this doesn´t look better for him. I will take a look at who on seph´s train that had me as a back up at the end of the day. It´s a bit tricky to search for my name since there are a lot of versions of it. 

 

Does anybody know if this is correct?  

 

Take off Lenlo, and that's a really clean looking wagon.  And if I'm right about Dice, there's a pretty reasonable chance that's seven townies.

 

 

Check Key´s iso and you will find it.

 

 

It took too long time to go through all the posts for people that wanted to lynch me but voted seph. But I found an interesting post from Lenlo and made a quick mini iso of him.

 

In #1379 He makes a list. The only wolfy people are me and seph. Wish is null/slightly wolfy.

He had voted seph but in #1992 he said that he had voted seph for compting trains and that his train went too fast so he voted me instead. That made me L-2. 

Everyone but Lenlo unvoted me. In #2273 He said that if he had to choose between seph and Wish he would pick seph (who he later voted). Interesting to note is that he wondered what the case on Wish were because he hadn´t had too many problems with her. Interesting since he listed Wish as slighly wolf earlier. Sure, it was almost 1000 posts earlier but he had listed them as null/wolfy before. 

 

So if Lenlo is mafia then it could be that Wish is as well.

 

 

[v] Lenlo [/v]

 

 

 

New list coming soon.

 

Key point, 1000 posts earlier.

 

 

I´m town and seph was town so I took a look at the votecounts to see if there were people that were on both of our trains. It seems that there weren´t. There were a lot of people having me as a possible lynch though. Need to look at them. Anyway, here is from when I had most votes.

 

Nini - Hallia, Zander, Clov, Kat, Laine, Sili, Lenlo

 

7 votes. All of them moved to someone else. Here are those who lynched seph:

 

Seph - Darthe, Besie, Dice, Wish, Lenlo, Lily

 

 

The only one who where on both trains is Lenlo, who I thought was mafia anyway. It´s obvious that he wanted to lynch anyone except himself. He didn´t vote Wish though.

 

Since Lenlo was one of my main suspects before this doesn´t look better for him. I will take a look at who on seph´s train that had me as a back up at the end of the day. It´s a bit tricky to search for my name since there are a lot of versions of it. 

Lol what? I wanted you, because the seph train built way to fast for my comfort level. So I switched. THEN everyone moved off of you, me moving off last, and I was given a choice between Wish and Seph. Between those two Seph was worse.

 

Lynch anyone but himself? But then immediately contradict that? Bull crap.

 

 

So here lenlo proves he lies when he says he didnt get a chance to vote/lynch ninel.

 

I´m town and seph was town so I took a look at the votecounts to see if there were people that were on both of our trains. It seems that there weren´t. There were a lot of people having me as a possible lynch though. Need to look at them. Anyway, here is from when I had most votes.

 

Nini - Hallia, Zander, Clov, Kat, Laine, Sili, Lenlo

 

7 votes. All of them moved to someone else. Here are those who lynched seph:

 

Seph - Darthe, Besie, Dice, Wish, Lenlo, Lily

 

 

The only one who where on both trains is Lenlo, who I thought was mafia anyway. It´s obvious that he wanted to lynch anyone except himself. He didn´t vote Wish though.

 

Since Lenlo was one of my main suspects before this doesn´t look better for him. I will take a look at who on seph´s train that had me as a back up at the end of the day. It´s a bit tricky to search for my name since there are a lot of versions of it. 

 

 

 

 

 

I´m town and seph was town so I took a look at the votecounts to see if there were people that were on both of our trains. It seems that there weren´t. There were a lot of people having me as a possible lynch though. Need to look at them. Anyway, here is from when I had most votes.

 

Nini - Hallia, Zander, Clov, Kat, Laine, Sili, Lenlo

 

7 votes. All of them moved to someone else. Here are those who lynched seph:

 

Seph - Darthe, Besie, Dice, Wish, Lenlo, Lily

 

 

The only one who where on both trains is Lenlo, who I thought was mafia anyway. It´s obvious that he wanted to lynch anyone except himself. He didn´t vote Wish though.

 

Since Lenlo was one of my main suspects before this doesn´t look better for him. I will take a look at who on seph´s train that had me as a back up at the end of the day. It´s a bit tricky to search for my name since there are a lot of versions of it. 

 

Does anybody know if this is correct?  

 

Take off Lenlo, and that's a really clean looking wagon.  And if I'm right about Dice, there's a pretty reasonable chance that's seven townies.

 

 

Check Key´s iso and you will find it.

 

 

It took too long time to go through all the posts for people that wanted to lynch me but voted seph. But I found an interesting post from Lenlo and made a quick mini iso of him.

 

In #1379 He makes a list. The only wolfy people are me and seph. Wish is null/slightly wolfy.

He had voted seph but in #1992 he said that he had voted seph for compting trains and that his train went too fast so he voted me instead. That made me L-2. 

Everyone but Lenlo unvoted me. In #2273 He said that if he had to choose between seph and Wish he would pick seph (who he later voted). Interesting to note is that he wondered what the case on Wish were because he hadn´t had too many problems with her. Interesting since he listed Wish as slighly wolf earlier. Sure, it was almost 1000 posts earlier but he had listed them as null/wolfy before. 

 

So if Lenlo is mafia then it could be that Wish is as well.

 

 

[v] Lenlo [/v]

 

 

 

New list coming soon.

 

Key point, 1000 posts earlier.

 

 

I´m town and seph was town so I took a look at the votecounts to see if there were people that were on both of our trains. It seems that there weren´t. There were a lot of people having me as a possible lynch though. Need to look at them. Anyway, here is from when I had most votes.

 

Nini - Hallia, Zander, Clov, Kat, Laine, Sili, Lenlo

 

7 votes. All of them moved to someone else. Here are those who lynched seph:

 

Seph - Darthe, Besie, Dice, Wish, Lenlo, Lily

 

 

The only one who where on both trains is Lenlo, who I thought was mafia anyway. It´s obvious that he wanted to lynch anyone except himself. He didn´t vote Wish though.

 

Since Lenlo was one of my main suspects before this doesn´t look better for him. I will take a look at who on seph´s train that had me as a back up at the end of the day. It´s a bit tricky to search for my name since there are a lot of versions of it. 

Lol what? I wanted you, because the seph train built way to fast for my comfort level. So I switched. THEN everyone moved off of you, me moving off last, and I was given a choice between Wish and Seph. Between those two Seph was worse.

 

Lynch anyone but himself? But then immediately contradict that? Bull crap.

 

 

So here lenlo proves he lies when he says he didnt get a chance to vote/lynch ninel.

[Sili Quirrels]

this sort of activity is typical of a pog game.

[dicetosser1]

I'm not reading any posts that are that lengthy, Dice.

 

you dont have to cause you probably already read what i quoted laine    all you gotta do is read whats below the multiquote and it ain that lengthy

 

Dice are HftDR and Matrix your most recent mafia games? I think I'm missing one

 

no idea bfg  i will check

[Sili Quirrels]

dice.

 

if it's even possible, could you elaborate a little and tell me why lenlo is a wolf?

[Lizabeth]

[v]unvote[/v]

 

If people are voting through 24 hours then that's not going to work.

[alannalynn]

 

I'm not reading any posts that are that lengthy, Dice.

 

you dont have to cause you probably already read what i quoted laine    all you gotta do is read whats below the multiquote and it ain that lengthy

 

Dice are HftDR and Matrix your most recent mafia games? I think I'm missing one

 

no idea bfg  i will check

 

I haven't even read the game yet, so no. And the more friggen multiquotes on a page, the slower I'll be catching up

[dicetosser1]

@BFG  was VT in stick Figure beginning of may

 

town stump in ghostbusters end of april

 

transporter in Town of Salem beginning of april

 

subbed in as scum aND LYNCHED IMMEADIATELY IN SHADS GAME   didnt even get to play really

 

 

i think thats everything since Hunt for DR

[Lizabeth]

Liz I read the first few pages of your ISO in MK, is there any reason your approach is so different this game?

 

Yes.

 

1. For this game I started 2 days in and came into a 42 page thread. In MK the thread started slower, and I was one of the ones pushing the thread not trying to chase it an increasingly expanding elephant

 

2. I've been fighting a raging headache the past 2 days.

 

I'm fully capable of being the highest/higher poster as any alignment. It's been frustrating me that I can't keep up with the thread.

[Lizabeth]

 

Okay, want to test out a theory.

 

[v]Niniel[/v]

 

I'll come back to this later, I promise!

 

Finished back-reading a portion of D1, and I'm going to catch up on D2 now.

 

If anyone wants my attention/response can you do me a favour and post my name in big letters and colour. Any colour you want, but then I know I won't miss it. I figure it's the next best thing to mentions (not complaining...just adapting).

 

Did you ever explain what you were trying to test before?

 

Also, I posted something to/about you yesterday morning.  I'd like your thoughts on it.

 

 

1. no. It doesn't matter now though because there's no time to test it if the day is going to be 24 hours.

 

I was just doing an analysis of who could not be teamed with who vs. who could possibly be teamed with who based on how the wagons rolled out yesterday and Niniel kept coming up as a lynchpin in the analysis. So I wanted to see what would happen.

 

2. I didn't bother catching up on the night because i was trying to figure out what happened yesterday and catch up on today. But i'm giving up now.

 

If the day is 36 hours, that gives me time after work to actaully catch up and make a contribution.

 

If the day is 24 hours there's not even any point and I'm going to bed.

[dicetosser1]

hes not playing townie thinking sili

 

 

2 whole pages that werent worth mentioning when quoted  only 2 of those he "missed" both by clov

 

ask him why Halli and Zander are his top town reads?  Get an explanation? nOPE  just  they are  Flat.

 

then he whinges he didnt get a choice to lynch ninel  but he was voting her and she was a viable train  he CHOSE to get off and vote Seph. And the fact that by that point ninel wasnt happening doesnt excuse him   if he was SO deadset on lynching her he couldve just stayed there. he couldve pushed it. hell i cant even remember him saying anything about ninel. Totally possible thats my fault for not remembering

 

Aside from arguing with you   an argument that went nowhere what has he actually done?

[Lizabeth]

 

 

Honestly I think we have too many people "catching up" on the game but never catching up. I'm thinking that probably at least 1 of them is mafia hiding...

 

List:

 

Nin

Lily

Liz

Besie (has the most excuse)

 

 

Did I miss any of them?

Okay, this is highly unfair. when i was trying to read through the mammoth of a thread I barely had any clue of anything you had said or done because I rarely came across any of your posts. I spent hours of my evenings (yes, I work full time in a demanding job) trying to catch up on 40 pages of posts at a time when I was also under the weather, so I'm not going to apologize for not being able to keep up with the thread.

 

I'm pretty sure I've posted more than you in the time that I've had to devote. And I just spent the past 3 hours trying to catch up on parts that I missed from D1 instead of trying to continue to play blind.

 

/me ending rant here.

 

/sorry i'm sure you're a nice person, but I'm just tired of putting in the effort to catch up in some semblance when i've been exhausted and trying my best only to be criticized for not staying on top of a ridiculously long thread and wading through pages of "you're scummy!" "no YOU'RE" scummy!" or "you're a poopy head!" "no you're a poopy head!"

 

/me really ending rant now.

 

Liz I wasn't attacking you directly I was merely trying to point out that as many people were doing that it was a good chance that at least 1 is mafia trying to hide. I'm sorry you took it as an attack but it was just a statement.

 

And I missed Alanna in that list.

 

I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate reasons to be behind, just that it's weird that a 3rd of our players are behind.... Hopefully there will be a little less content now and you'll be able to keep up.

 

 

 

Okay. I'm sorry I went off on you like that. It just bugged me because I'm here after 1:00 my time trying to get caught up and I already had to fight with Zander about it being nearly impossible to catch up with a thread this size during my after work hours even if I were feeling well.

 

I'm sorry for going ape**** (just remembered at the last second that swearing isn't allowed! :P)

[dicetosser1]

and sili im not fully caught up  so if he has done anything significant between here and page 162 i havent seen it.

 

 

Oh and also add that that big post I did and that got reposted about his not worth mentioning comments??  He never respondeed to them.  I purposely asked him if he was caught up to make sure that he should have read them.

[BFG]

 

I'm not reading any posts that are that lengthy, Dice.

 

you dont have to cause you probably already read what i quoted laine    all you gotta do is read whats below the multiquote and it ain that lengthy

 

Dice are HftDR and Matrix your most recent mafia games? I think I'm missing one

 

no idea bfg  i will check

 

Doesn't matter found GnD

[Lizabeth]

 

Dice's EOD:

 

 

 

 

i want either len or seph lynched. the only possible saving grace for len is if all those "NOT WORTH MENTIONINGS" are too obvious to come from mafia.

 

 

 

seph started off kinda sussing me   i felt like he was thinking he could mislynch me later.  then suddenly i go from needing a handle to being above null

 

I think Darthe is making sense regarding seph and the halli stuff

 

 

vote seph

What the hell is this? You have somebody you think is scummy and you're ignoring it because its too obvious, in favor of...what exactly?

 

Show me what you think Darthe said that you agree with, and explain to me why somebody adjusting a read is a bad thing. Because that doesnt make any damn sense.

 

 

A) if you noticed i had already said id lynch len or seph

 

B)  I have to ignore one to lynch the other on S1 dont i? 

 

C) You even commented on it so you should know what darthe said and part of the point is that he DIDNT adjust his read   he started out the game poking at me   then stated he needed to get a "handle" on me among some others then im suddenly above null with no explanation in his list,

 

and D)  dont think I didnt notice the tone shift  in your post here. It is aggressive. Yet all game   even going back and forth with sili  ure tone has been laid back and like i said cruisey. So im thinking I touched a nerve when I said i thought lernlo ignoring you might mean you were scum, cause no one else has got a reaction like this out of you. 

 

So now i think im right

 

 

A is a complete lie.  The only time he even suggested he'd consider voting Seph is that post I replied to.  These are the only times he even addressed Seph prior to that point.

 

 

what did i do wrong seph?

 

 

 

Ok I am caught up, but unfortunately I am not sure how much I will be around today, its robin's day off.

 

@ laine 

yea my intro post was all jokey except for the halli bit, I gave her a slight town read because she was posting comfortably.

I saw a couple of people post about my lainey/bfg comment and I could have sworn I played mafia against bfg, though I could definitely be remembering the Pokemon game, because I do remember her freaking me out when she subbed in calling me mafia lol.

 

I liked a few responses from lenlo these last few pages

alanna catch up was pretty spot on for town her, giving her a town read for it alone.

If I had to guess sili would be town more often than mafia with how he is playing so far, I am still a bit uneasy there though

 

 

My goal today is to actually reread and make some notes, because I am still unsure about zander.

I initially thought clov was framing sili in a good light until the started going back and fourth with each other. 

dice's reads concern me a bit. I doubt a town dice throws out a read of zander off of hardly nothing, I would expect him to be more cautious which I am not seeing at all here. This kinda goes back when he mentored me, and got onto m about town reading people early on without reason. I have been reading him extremely terrible but I definitely think his game is different than his last 2 town games.

niniel had a post that screamed town to me

 

town

Bfg

 

slight town

niniel

alanna

 

better than null

sili

lenlo 

 

zander.dice,clov are definitely people I want to get a better handle on

I almost wanna call clov town, for his town read on me alone. I am going to read our last game on perc soon to see if he did this, but I don't think him as mafia would ever make me one of his strongest town reads. because I am not always clear and concise and I am easy to misinterpret/push when I am not.

 

Have you played with me at all?? Ive done exactly what you doubt id do as town a number of times to more then just Zander. and i lectured YOU about doing it cause you were not me. As you may have seen some people EXPECT me to do just that sort of thing and find it weird if i dont

 

 

That's it.  So the first time he mentioned Seph was in that post.  

 

B) This means absolutely nothing.  Yes, he only gets one vote.  HIm and everybody else.  But typically when somebody is deciding between two people, it's two people they've thought could be mafia.  It's NOT somebody they've spent a majority of their focus addressing and somebody they haven't even looked at.

 

C) It doesn't matter whether I know what Darthe said or not.  You'd think if he was that convinced by Darthe's argument, he'd had no problem backing up his support.  Instead, he gets incredibly defensive that I even asked.  Given what I said about Darthe's push on Seph, and my townread of Seph, I really don't think that's an unreasonable request.  

 

I also fail to see how that's adjusting a read.  The lack of explanation isn't a good look, sure.  But I still don't understand why that was so damning.

 

D) Of course I was aggressive.  It was an out of the blue garbage vote, backing a garbage case, on somebody I thought was town from somebody who hadn't done much to establish himself.  

 

Beyond that, his argument makes no sense.  I'm aggressive that he's voting Seph over Lenlo...who he thinks is scum, and thinks I might be scum because Lenlo ignored me.  The only way that ANYTHING Lenlo has done makes me scum is if we're teammates together.  That means I'm upset he's accusing me of being upset because he's avoiding lynching my supposed teammate in favor of lynching the person I'm arguing is town.  And happened to be town.

 

Nevermind the fact that anybody that's paid attention to the game should realize I'm one of the bigger reasons that Lenlo had even been discussed.  

 

 

 

 

Dice vote on me is extremely horrible

besie is meh my opinion here is likely based off of omgus but I haven't see anything towny from her. I would like to hear why she is reading everyone town, who she has there.

 

Id be surprised if anyone really had a read on Besie as of right now tbqh.

 

Dice's vote did come right out of left field

 

 

poor little wolfie doesnt like being voted by the big bad dice? tough. Try explaining why u think its horrible. if you have from page 98 to 113 i havent read those yet

 

blue  and?? I read the game too you know

 

 

 

 

 

That dice post is very bad.

 

Its not good,

 

But its not TOTALLY unlike Dice tho.

 

Can those who are Town reading Dice tell me why?

 

 

which post are you talking about here sili? and which post did you post it in regards to zander? Context matters guys.

 

blue   Cause im Town LDO!

 

 

I would realy like a wish or dice lynch tbh

 

I bet you would. Guess what youre not getting? 

 

 

 

im goin back to bed then   its 5am and i have a headache

 

Come on man.

 

Youre not showing OBV Town!Dice, give me some more to work with man.

 

 

Bite me. @key  can we set the next DL so its at 5am on a Friday Zander time please? Zander I expect you here bright eyed and bushy tailed

 

if anyone cares, I have literally been softing spice girls all game

 

i dont care

 

lol dice your vote on me was so freaking horrific. not the vote itself but the fabricated reasons

 

really?  you poked at me at the beginniong  u called halliu ure town buddy  you then left her off ure list u then put her as slight town.  you did these things i voted you.

 

 

Bolded parts are terrible answers, and the blue things from Zander are actually pretty good points.  I don't think town!Dice tries to shut down discussion on why people that are townreading him ARE reading him that way.  Here he basically makes it seem like it should be obvious and nobody has to answer for anything.

 

 

halli did you notice that he just shut down and stopped fightiong? just started repeating i want wish dice lynched  darthe dead??

 

 

Do I even need to address this?

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

 

Like I said before, my only concern is that I really don't picture Lenlo and Dice as teammates.  I've had Lenlo as pretty likely scum basically all game, and nothing HE has done gives me a whole lot of reason to doubt that.  If Lenlo needs to be resolved first, whatever, but I'm voting Dice until somebody gives me a reason not to.

 

actually i did TRY to post sussing len   i found out late yesterday arvo it never went. dunno why. ive been having problems with dm lately   quote thjings and type underneath and the typing doesnt show   that happened this game   quote things type  and somehow the quote the posts twice in the same post.  So yeah technically A is a lie cause it didnt work.

 

B oh im sorry  did i not tell you my every single thought? poor clov.  See thing is I SAID why i was voting him. You dont like my reason? I dont care. their MY reasons. You dont like me not sharing every single thought i have regarding players then i expect to start seeing Zander levels of posts from you detailing your EVERY SINGLE thought. I was paying attention to seph from the time he started prodding at me for no reason and yet he never followed it up. I just didnt say anything and thats my right and my choice.

 

C i told you why i was voting  you want to know what darthe said that convinced me yet it was already there.

 

D   that was the first time all game u have been at all animated and then it was aggressive. If you think im not gonna notice that or not gonna say something then ure crazy. Youve just been cruising the whole game so that shift is a fairly large one as is this whole post. I MUST ahave touched a nerve because I am the ONLY one getting this level aggression and actual palpable EFFORT from you.

 

I think you a scum. And I think lenlo is ure teammate. That good enuff for telling you my every thought?

 

How are you getting that Clov and Lenlo are scummates? Clov has been pushing a lenlo lynch since forever in my memory and his vote was on Lenlo when Lenlo was almost lynched yesterday

[dicetosser1]

oh and if you want proof im having trouble with dm??

 

 

look here

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-2/page-166?do=findComment&comment=3666205

[dicetosser1]

lenlo for some reason "missed" just 2 things  both by clov. I originally thought of 2 possibilitysd for this  1 was staying away from a teammate. 2 was not wanting to get clov on his case.

 

Clovs reaction to me about my seph vote is what makes me think he is scum

[alannalynn]

I quit. I can't read this crap.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

I'm not reading any posts that are that lengthy, Dice.

 

you dont have to cause you probably already read what i quoted laine    all you gotta do is read whats below the multiquote and it ain that lengthy

 

Dice are HftDR and Matrix your most recent mafia games? I think I'm missing one

 

no idea bfg  i will check

 

Doesn't matter found GnD

 

 

Did I miss any BFG?

[Lizabeth]

Okay, I'm going to bed. I'm hoping that people will seriously reconsider the 24 hour day for the sake of us poor working sods who are trying to keep up.

 

 

And sorry for blowing up and getting bitchy...

[BFG]

Liz, key questions from me at this point are:

 

How did your read on Zander evolve?

How did your read on Seph evolve?

 

As in, when did you start thinking they were town/mafia and why? (when quite important)

[Hallia]

Okay, I'm going to bed. I'm hoping that people will seriously reconsider the 24 hour day for the sake of us poor working sods who are trying to keep up.

 

 

And sorry for blowing up and getting bitchy...

 

I work ; . ;

[BFG]

Dice you became cult leader in GnD, I may look at HP again :p

[dicetosser1]

Liz  you should try it from the other side of the world.  I wake up to at least 20 pages regularly