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Last part of Celeste. I left out most of what I posted in the catch up from when she voted Besie. Which was mostly how I was so bad.

 

 

 

 

Zander I'm ~4 pages behind but who do you wtl?

 

Im almost caught up and havent had a chance to reread yet.

 

Other then one comment Darthe has made he's done nothing to make me feel any better then I did as old me D1.

 

Dont like Turin's or Lenlo's pushes/cases against Besie. Still dont like Turin's very early comment about Besie HAVING to be SK if there were   Need to ISO them both to see. 

 

Penny has done nothing this game and basically just stopped posting.

 

Kinda where Im at now.

 

 

 

 

lolme.
 
Who is your WTL?


I've been waffling all over the place.

Turin atm. Celeste can die but I'd rather she be peeked since I feel like it's pretty much rand and a pure POE lynch. I'd let Darthe live to see another day personally but he should never survive lylo with his current performance. Lenlo's a little sketch but his thread presence alone is worth something.

Things could change a lot for me between now and EoD.

I feel like Seph jumped ship and I don't know what's up with that because I really liked him D1.

 

Dude, I don't know how many times I said this but I am really preoccupied during the active times of the game. If you have questions than ask but I will continue to say what's on my mind. I don't give a damn if people think i'm scummy for it. 

 

Interesting aside in that Z 2.0 is sussing Lenlo, Turin and Darthe. Basically the same people that Celeste is even tho Z has her as a mafia read. I am feeling pretty confident that Len is town now. I know that I'm town and have wavered on Darthe. But If Z is mafia here then I think that it looks good for Darthe.  

 

I think that the Turin lynch really took off after shad put me down as lynchable. The mafia took this as a green light IMO.

 

Celeste post is only bad AtE. I think at this point that she was giving up because there was no way she was gonna make it to endgame. As noted earlier Z couldn't very well switch up his Celeste read to vote Besie over her so he was stuck.

 

 

 

Turin is being really TMI this whole game and his tone/back tracking comments are doing him much. Nobody has gotten an answer from him on why he thinks their is an SK. This setup is closed and mostly seen VT flips. I'm not sure on much except that Turin is being super scummy. 

 

Darthe is super null to me and doesn't really sit well with him saying little and not voting. I want him to answer these questions.

 

  1. What are your top scum?
  2. What do you think about besie compared with her other games? 

 

Lenlo is mostly giving complete BS for me being scum. I don't really understand it when it's basically my usual play.

Do you even know what im saying in why I find you wolfy?

 

How bout you answer those questions, since youve done just as little as Darthe? Less actually.

 

How have I done little when I have less time to be in the thread? My top scum are in that post, you have me wavering a bit. Besie I think is slight town based purely on her tone.

 

Apparently these are Celeste top scum. Same three others as Z is sussing aside from Celeste herself. Pretty sure He doesn't do this as town. (recall healso vogted me after Celeste and Darthe but later after he unvoted said that he didn't like my train because both of them were on it. Again Celeste was mafia. If Z is also then it looks good for Darthe IMO.

 

LOL at the underlined. It basically confirms that she isn't doing much.

 

 

Celeste could you make some sort of chart that shows how your logic progresses? Dead serious btw, I wanna see you work out your math apl the way through at least once.

I look for fake tone mostly and patterns that don't add up with someone's previous game. That shows if they come from a town or scum mindset. That's why when new people play i'm like in the background or people I don't know how to read well. I have said this in previous games Darthe. It's why i'm pushing Turin because I don't think he's town.

 

Gobbledegook. but thos becomes a bit of an argument that I think looks good for Darthe also. 

 

@ Shad The difference between the Zander's I see is he doesn't really give much thought after his 1st death, not sure what that means but it's slightly suspicious to me. He's consistent with his defense of Besie which gives him town points. He asks questions but doesn't really follow through with them as much as he did. Those are the main points.

Zander is mentioned but it is very wishy washy. Yet she has already listed him in her 3 most likely mafia.  

 

I haven't liked Turin at all. My PoE for now is Turin > Darthe > Zander 2.0. I regret switching to besie but it was out of self pres and nobody was going to trust me on Turin.

okay... I'm town. I'm thinking Darthe is getting spewed town here and Z is most likely getting spewed mafia.

 

I'm not letting myself get lynched over my EoD. I'm town and really don't believe Turin's claim.

And then she does absolutely nothing to show she is town. No #werk. No complete read list. No claim. Nothing. Trying hard not to spew more.

 

Eldrick that is a horrible reason to vote me. Have you not noticed I have been saying "I'm busy this game and low activity" I don' like the reason you have.

More likely this spews Eld town also. I doubt that mafia being bussed is gonna call out a teammate for a bad vote. 

 

I'm pretty fudging tired now. I was trying to keep up today and Zander is a bit more scummy than his previous day so he is moving up in my PoE. Then Dice's reactions to the push on him are really fake and coming from a scum mindset. People aren't listening to my read of Turin still. Right now my PoE is Turin/Dice > Zander > Darthe

[v]Dice[/v]

Late Dice vote literally from nowhere. This is anti spew mode for sure. I  don't even think she had mentioned him previously. Zander gets moved up to be in front of Darthe also. I would not be surprised at all if they were both on her team. 

 

 

 

 

Spew report:

 

Town:

Eldrick

Lenlo

Turin

Darthe

Seph

 

Mafia: 

Zander/Nyn

Dice 

Sili

 

I think if we can properly coordinate town actions tonight we can really do some damage to the mafia tonight.

Posted

Disgusting.

Poor Sili. You say that my analysis is too simple. I say that unless it was a set plan right from the start simple is most likely (KISS).

 

Maybe you should shoot me. It's probably gonna result in your death tho. unless you RB me too. Then at least it will be someone else get their action thru.

 

Darthe, I am considering holstering but I think the mafia need to know they might be shooting themselves in the face. 

Posted

 

Disgusting.

Poor Sili. You say that my analysis is too simple. I say that unless it was a set plan right from the start simple is most likely (KISS).

 

Maybe you should shoot me. It's probably gonna result in your death tho. unless you RB me too. Then at least it will be someone else get their action thru.

 

Darthe, I am considering holstering but I think the mafia need to know they might be shooting themselves in the face. 

 

 

 

The word I used was superficial.  If celeste pushes someone it's because they're town. If she is wishy washy on someone they're a wolf.

 

That's just bad logic, and it's pretty straight forward why. How decisions are made is a lot more complicated than such linear programming.

 

What is disgusting, though is how you are making reads based on your rather weak analysis on n3 though. It's not good.

Posted

How else can I express it ---

 

You either suck at spew analysis, or you're a wolf, and I would lean toward the latter because a town as experienced as you should know they're bad at a thing like this and not rely on it so much.

Posted

 

Celeste from her vote on Besie EoD D2:

 

 

[v]Besie[/v] I'm at work but have little doubts on Turin's claim. As for Besie I don't get why she is voting me. It gives me pause

This is her actually vote on Besie. She doesn't mention anything about self pres. If her vote is self pres then she should be able to deduce that Besie's vote was also at least in part self pres.

 

Still saying she doubt's my claim. fair enough. Her reasoning is bad tho. 

 

**Wait, what? Besie offers no reason - just says she doubts the claim.

 

 

I'm back and I have major thoughts regarding the EoD claim of Turin. I highly doubt Turin is a Town Busdriver mainly because that role is more designed for mafia rather than town. NOW PLEASE ACTUALLY READ THIS POST OF MINE DESPITE MY SELF PRES VOTE EARLIER. I saw somewhere that it was in the Town of Salem game here which is based on town of salem and I don't think you should take the fact that a town busdriver was in that game when the actual ToS games balance is really bad. I have played there. This makes me think he is scum. It also explains the tmi a bit from earlier. Just look here for the jist of the Bus driver role.

 

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Bus%20Driver

Ok well, I was leaning town on him without the claim. I'm not going to lynch someone strictly on assumptions about Sooh's set-up.

 

You're late on your homework.

 

I'm still reading his posts but almost done.

 

Now she is broadcasting that her Besie vote was self pres. So the question becomes how does she not understand that Besie's vote on her was also? 

 

On to throw shade on my TOWN BUS DRIVER claim. pure setup spec and gaming of the mod. ANY role combo can be put into any game and balanced properly as long as the mod works it out. also did you look at the listing on mafiascum that I linked earlier that states pretty clearly that BD is more a town role in part because it can be OP for mafia. I have been a switcher as mafia (and have seen it as a town role) before and can tell you it is nearly OP in mafia hands.  It basically eliminates doc protection as all you have to do is kill someone that isn't getting protected and then switch with the intended target.  As town it is less so because it is harder to coordinate the working of that role with others unless everyone is outed. I have been in a game that as town we were able to coordinate actions and it rekt the wolves pretty effectively.

 

 

That is the most and best argument Celeste has offered this entire game for someone being a wolf. It's almost like she believes it.  If you were town I was expecting it to look more like a haulting step forward - something that demonstrates effort but also self-doubt like the rest of her gameplay does.

 

 

Celeste: from your point of view, have you done enough to convince us you're town, or not?

Yes, because I don't see this being how I act when playing as mafia. 

 

Self meta defense is bad

 

I really want people to see my post about Turin. I don't get why people read him as town. It's like the Nolder suspicion I had in WoW.

How is this relevant? you apparently caught one mafia in one game for something. You "case" on me is nothing but "Turin must be mafia because bus driver is only mafia" when that has been shown to not be the truth. 

 

I think if you're town you anticipated the skepticism of your claim.

 

I haven't liked Turin at all. My PoE for now is Turin > Darthe > Zander 2.0. I regret switching to besie but it was out of self pres and nobody was going to trust me on Turin.

Again changing history to say that her Besie vote was self pres. 

Yes, no one believed your case except Dice who had the same thought... where is Dice in your PoE here???

 

I'm pretty fudging tired now. I was trying to keep up today and Zander is a bit more scummy than his previous day so he is moving up in my PoE. Then Dice's reactions to the push on him are really fake and coming from a scum mindset. People aren't listening to my read of Turin still. Right now my PoE is Turin/Dice > Zander > Darthe

 

[v]Dice[/v]

So you go from voting me (your best mafia read) to voting with me on the person I have been suspecting for basically the entire game??

Do you think that I am bussing him?

Or is this another vote that will be listed as self pres after the fact?

 

 

I think the Dice vote is likely anti spew. 

 

I posted in blue. I made red the thing that shows you found a link between celeste and dice. I probably ain't going to vote Dice tomorrow. Guess we'll find out.

 

 

**Wait, what? Besie offers no reason - just says she doubts the claim.

She says she doubts my claim. Then shifts to Besie because she can't understand why Besie would be voting her. Celeste was Besie's only viable  counter train. Celeste isn't a noob that wouldn't understand voting for self pres since she said she did it too even tho she tried initially to make it look like it wasn't. This is a logic inconsistency. That you are even asking this makes you look bad.

That is the most and best argument Celeste has offered this entire game for someone being a wolf. It's almost like she believes it.  If you were town I was expecting it to look more like a haulting step forward - something that demonstrates effort but also self-doubt like the rest of her gameplay does.

Basically it was the ONE TIME she tried to get anyone lynched. So unless you are saying mafia decided to make themselves both lead trains for no reason you can't really believe what you are saying. It is again awful thinking.

I think if you're town you anticipated the skepticism of your claim.

I know that my PM says I'm a TOWN BUSDRIVER. You don't believe it and wanna follow the one confirmed mafia player in their ONLY real push of the game (which started before she became a prime lynch candidate) So you go ahead if you wanna come at me. 

Posted

Last part of Celeste. I left out most of what I posted in the catch up from when she voted Besie. Which was mostly how I was so bad.

 

 

 

 

Zander I'm ~4 pages behind but who do you wtl?

Im almost caught up and havent had a chance to reread yet.

 

Other then one comment Darthe has made he's done nothing to make me feel any better then I did as old me D1.

 

Dont like Turin's or Lenlo's pushes/cases against Besie. Still dont like Turin's very early comment about Besie HAVING to be SK if there were Need to ISO them both to see.

 

Penny has done nothing this game and basically just stopped posting.

 

Kinda where Im at now.

 

lolme.

 

Who is your WTL?

I've been waffling all over the place.

 

Turin atm. Celeste can die but I'd rather she be peeked since I feel like it's pretty much rand and a pure POE lynch. I'd let Darthe live to see another day personally but he should never survive lylo with his current performance. Lenlo's a little sketch but his thread presence alone is worth something.

 

Things could change a lot for me between now and EoD.

 

I feel like Seph jumped ship and I don't know what's up with that because I really liked him D1.

Dude, I don't know how many times I said this but I am really preoccupied during the active times of the game. If you have questions than ask but I will continue to say what's on my mind. I don't give a damn if people think i'm scummy for it.

Interesting aside in that Z 2.0 is sussing Lenlo, Turin and Darthe. Basically the same people that Celeste is even tho Z has her as a mafia read. I am feeling pretty confident that Len is town now. I know that I'm town and have wavered on Darthe. But If Z is mafia here then I think that it looks good for Darthe.

 

I think that the Turin lynch really took off after shad put me down as lynchable. The mafia took this as a green light IMO.

 

Celeste post is only bad AtE. I think at this point that she was giving up because there was no way she was gonna make it to endgame. As noted earlier Z couldn't very well switch up his Celeste read to vote Besie over her so he was stuck.

 

 

Turin is being really TMI this whole game and his tone/back tracking comments are doing him much. Nobody has gotten an answer from him on why he thinks their is an SK. This setup is closed and mostly seen VT flips. I'm not sure on much except that Turin is being super scummy.

 

Darthe is super null to me and doesn't really sit well with him saying little and not voting. I want him to answer these questions.

 

  • What are your top scum?
  • What do you think about besie compared with her other games?

Lenlo is mostly giving complete BS for me being scum. I don't really understand it when it's basically my usual play.

Do you even know what im saying in why I find you wolfy?

 

How bout you answer those questions, since youve done just as little as Darthe? Less actually.

How have I done little when I have less time to be in the thread? My top scum are in that post, you have me wavering a bit. Besie I think is slight town based purely on her tone.

Apparently these are Celeste top scum. Same three others as Z is sussing aside from Celeste herself. Pretty sure He doesn't do this as town. (recall healso vogted me after Celeste and Darthe but later after he unvoted said that he didn't like my train because both of them were on it. Again Celeste was mafia. If Z is also then it looks good for Darthe IMO.

 

LOL at the underlined. It basically confirms that she isn't doing much.

 

Celeste could you make some sort of chart that shows how your logic progresses? Dead serious btw, I wanna see you work out your math apl the way through at least once.

I look for fake tone mostly and patterns that don't add up with someone's previous game. That shows if they come from a town or scum mindset. That's why when new people play i'm like in the background or people I don't know how to read well. I have said this in previous games Darthe. It's why i'm pushing Turin because I don't think he's town.

Gobbledegook. but thos becomes a bit of an argument that I think looks good for Darthe also.

@ Shad The difference between the Zander's I see is he doesn't really give much thought after his 1st death, not sure what that means but it's slightly suspicious to me. He's consistent with his defense of Besie which gives him town points. He asks questions but doesn't really follow through with them as much as he did. Those are the main points.

Zander is mentioned but it is very wishy washy. Yet she has already listed him in her 3 most likely mafia.

I haven't liked Turin at all. My PoE for now is Turin > Darthe > Zander 2.0. I regret switching to besie but it was out of self pres and nobody was going to trust me on Turin.

okay... I'm town. I'm thinking Darthe is getting spewed town here and Z is most likely getting spewed mafia.

I'm not letting myself get lynched over my EoD. I'm town and really don't believe Turin's claim.

And then she does absolutely nothing to show she is town. No #werk. No complete read list. No claim. Nothing. Trying hard not to spew more.

Eldrick that is a horrible reason to vote me. Have you not noticed I have been saying "I'm busy this game and low activity" I don' like the reason you have.

More likely this spews Eld town also. I doubt that mafia being bussed is gonna call out a teammate for a bad vote.

I'm pretty fudging tired now. I was trying to keep up today and Zander is a bit more scummy than his previous day so he is moving up in my PoE. Then Dice's reactions to the push on him are really fake and coming from a scum mindset. People aren't listening to my read of Turin still. Right now my PoE is Turin/Dice > Zander > Darthe

 

[v]Dice[/v]

Late Dice vote literally from nowhere. This is anti spew mode for sure. I don't even think she had mentioned him previously. Zander gets moved up to be in front of Darthe also. I would not be surprised at all if they were both on her team.

 

 

 

 

Spew report:

 

Town:

Eldrick

Lenlo

Turin

Darthe

Seph

 

Mafia:

Zander/Nyn

Dice

Sili

 

I think if we can properly coordinate town actions tonight we can really do some damage to the mafia tonight.

That last sentence makes him a wolf, its so robotic

Posted

Eeeeeeeeeh fine. Screw second guessing. [v]Celeste[/v]

 

COMMITMENT 

 

 

if celeste hasnt answered me  or not a good one by 7pm my time i will hammer

 

Not a fan of either of these tbqh.

Posted

Despite the lack of any survivors being found dead this morning, the crowd was displeased. They did not believe the danger was over and dealt with, and they quickly began to argue amongst themselves. On top of everyone’s list was one man in particular, and the villagers gathered around him, sharpened sticks ready.  Closer and closer to the cliff edge they came. Soon there was barely a foot of solid ground between the man and a 100 foot drop down to a rocky beach.

 

 

 

The man, aptly known as Mr. Friendly, seemed like a nice grandfather really. However, none of the survivors could remember him from the flight, and this made them suspicious.

 

“Explain yourself!” the mob demanded.

 

Before he had the chance to, one member of the crowd moved a little too close and poked the man with a sharp stick. He jumped, and then realized there was no more solid ground beneath his feet. His body was crushed against the stones below.

 

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Celeste was Tom Friendly, mafia full role cop.

 

 

 

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SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!

 

Renews thy WIM!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted
She says she doubts my claim. Then shifts to Besie because she can't understand why Besie would be voting her. Celeste was Besie's only viable  counter train. Celeste isn't a noob that wouldn't understand voting for self pres since she said she did it too even tho she tried initially to make it look like it wasn't. This is a logic inconsistency. That you are even asking this makes you look bad.

 

the way you structured your sentences it seemed you wanted to say her reasoning for doubting your claim was bad. I don't even have anything to add to that. I was just puzzled at the time. And apparently your awkward sentence structure was a mistake so whatever. You trying to turn this on me is funny though. Read your own post.

 

 

Basically it was the ONE TIME she tried to get anyone lynched. So unless you are saying mafia decided to make themselves both lead trains for no reason you can't really believe what you are saying. It is again awful thinking.

 

I'm saying she treated you different than everyone else in the game, including by necessity a lot of town, but probably also a few wolves.

 

And to be clear, while it does seem like she was pushing you, her argument about your claim came after eod no? Cause I went looking for it independently.

 

It was Besie and Turin then Besie and Celeste I believe. Always one town and one wolf and celeste voted besie, not you when it mattered - as a self pres. She didn't actually fight for your lynch in a way that ended up mattering obviously.

 

I think the only one who is thinking badly here is you.

 

 

I know that my PM says I'm a TOWN BUSDRIVER. You don't believe it and wanna follow the one confirmed mafia player in their ONLY real push of the game (which started before she became a prime lynch candidate) So you go ahead if you wanna come at me.

 

making it all caps doesn't matter a lot to me.

 

often wolves distance. I'm sure you heard of that before. it probably looks a little good for you without doing a deep dive into it, but not good enough to persuade me you're not a wolf because unlike you I apparently don't use spew analysis on n3 to make reads - wolfy af you do that btw.

 

I've buried wolves before. It's a lot of busy work but it's not hard.

Posted

Still 6 pages behind. I only got 4 hours sleep last night, so I'm losing steam.

Spoilering my WoT

 

@Sooh I never voted dice. I am currently voting Seph.

 

 

 

The thing that sticks out to me about nyn/Zander though is nyn's initial post.

 

It feels to me like she was referring to getting town. I'm not usually one to look into initial reactions, but I keep seeing it when I go back to pg1 for player list.

 

It's a point in zander's favor for me.

 

Im not sue what youre referencing here.

 

 

I was referencing Nyn's initial post. The one where she said she wouldn't be mad at Sooh. I assumed from that that she was mentioning being town.

 

It's really not much of anything, but it keeps catching my attention.

 

 

 

 

I honestly don't think it's Besie. Celeste train not taking off, I'll go with my the other lowest person on the reads list I posted yesterday

 

[v] Turin [/v]

 

I have no problem with a Celeste train.

 

 

Says this, but doesn't actually vote her.

 

 

Pretty sure I do vote her.

 

 

You didn't with that post. I didn't know about the vote at the time of reading that. I found it weird that you said you didn't have a problem with the Celeste train, but weren't putting a vote on her.

 

Moot point being you did vote a few mins later.

 

 

 

 

Well since I am tied with Bes and we have 1 hour left.

 

Hardclaim: TOWN BUSDRIVER.

 

only claiming so I can give my action from N1.

 

I switched Shad ( a town read due to claim that I thought could take fire) with Dice (a mafia read that I doubted would draw NAS).

 

 

I still think that most likely mafia team is Bes, Celeste, Dice. Mix in Z, Darthe, maybe Seph if there are 4 or one of the others are wrong.

 

I think I have said and done all I can

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Celeste [/v]

 

 

In response to Turin's claim, Zander moves from Turin to Celeste.

 

Possibly a good look that he didn't go to Besie.

 

Again, my memory is failing me on people's reads. What was Zander's read on Besie atp?

 

 

Is this a serious question?

 

Because if so, its telling me you havent been reading the thread at all.

 

I dont see how that's a Town!Eldrick sign imo.

 

 

It's not Scum!Eldrick either. My memory of this game has been crap, cuz I wasn't as involved at the beginning.

 

There have been several things that I started doing this game, and got sidetracked or distracted and never got back to. I'm gonna ISO myself and make a list of them, so they don't go unfinished.

 

 

So far, the person that looks the worst at EoD is Seph.

 

How so?

 

Penny's wolfy pop in vote is by far the worse imo.

 

 

Seph was worse to me than Penny because of his push on Besie. Trying to talk people voting elsewhere to switch to her. It just screamed mislynch push.

 

Penny's pop in vote WAS horrible, but it is literally the only thing I have against her. Her game has been very null to me. I am willing to vote her because she isn't towning it up, and others are. That places her squarely in my POE. But there are people scummier than her.

 

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Seph[/v]

 

Still WTV Celeste, but feel worse about Seph.

 

Does this read to anyone else like he's trying to NOT vote Celeste?

 

 

Read above.

 

Commented specifically on Celeste because she was where I moved from. Pointing out that I am willing to go back.

 

So what, people are currently debating between Dice and Zander if I remember right?

 

Interesting that you are leaving out Celeste in this. I know that you aren't on board for her lynch, but that doesn't mean she isn't being discussed.

 

Hey seph and zander, which of your reads do you have the most confidence in?

 

For me its my tiwn read of sili.

 

Wasn't directed at me, but answering anyway.

 

Most confident town is Shad, and by association Thane.

Sili is right under them.

 

Lenlo and Seph are my lowest scum.

Seph because of his push on Besie at EoD, and his prodding people to join him. There's also his PR list where he listed himself as a PR even though he hasn't claimed. Like we are supposed to trust him because of that.

Lenlo because his play today has been beyond gross. I will point out specifics in a bit. He was also pushing for Besie at EoD. I pointedly remember him being the one to tell me to vote Besie when I popped in and asked where we were at.

 

 

WHAT SOFT CLAIM 

 

 

soft claim was turins word for it

 

 

remember me asking why u thought u didnt die n1? i asked because of your little post asking who you should doc tonight

 

 

Why are you doc hunting?

I didn't see any doc soft claims, and wouldn't believe them if I did.

What are you trying to get at here?

 

 

 

I still dont believe you didnt know I was Town reading Besie.

 

Youre not derping your way through brother.

Posted

quick read thru and some possible spewage. 

 

I will try to post quotes before too much longer. Need to file for my state ID number after I talk to Ithi.

 

I think that Eld , Len and me (biased) look better. 

Z2.0, Dice and possibly Sili (weird) looks worse. No credit for the Hammer because She was definitely getting lynched today.

 

Seph some both ways. Darthe also. 

 

We get the Masons confirmed and I think we might be able to lock this up tomorrow. 

 

might be holstering tonight. Might not. 

 

How do you and Eld look better at all?

 

How do me and Sili look worse at all?

 

This is just a bad post.

Posted

I get credit for voting her over Besie yesterday. You and everyone on Besie at the end of the day do not. Today doesn't matter. Day 2 does.

 

But I dont?

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