[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Lenlo]

@ Lenlo

 

If youre not using or paying attention to Meta why are you using different standards to read seph and Penny?

 

Is this solely based on different activity levels?

Oh my god, your not reading :(

 

Seph actively being around and posting made me more willing to put up with not understanding him because he was putting in effort. Effort means I have things to read and learn from. Less effort means less things to learn from. Ergo, the more effort someone puts in the more I will care about trying to understand their position and what they are saying. Think of it like this. If I had to choose  between lynching Player A, with alot of effort, and Player B with no effort, assuming they were both equally null/wolfy, I would choose to lynch Player B. Cause lack of effort I dont like.

 

Dude, I care so little about what all of your tells are I don't even halfway bother to pay attention to them in the game I'm in currently.  What makes you think I still keep up with those for any player that I didn't know two years ago?

Do you still keep up with me? <3<3<3?

[Zander?]

 

@ Lenlo

 

If youre not using or paying attention to Meta why are you using different standards to read seph and Penny?

 

Is this solely based on different activity levels?

Oh my god, your not reading :(

 

Seph actively being around and posting made me more willing to put up with not understanding him because he was putting in effort. Effort means I have things to read and learn from. Less effort means less things to learn from. Ergo, the more effort someone puts in the more I will care about trying to understand their position and what they are saying. Think of it like this. If I had to choose  between lynching Player A, with alot of effort, and Player B with no effort, assuming they were both equally null/wolfy, I would choose to lynch Player B. Cause lack of effort I dont like.

 

 

 

I am reading Im just trying to figure thing out here.

 

Then why arent you willing to lynch Penny?

[Darthe]

 

Dude, I care so little about what all of your tells are I don't even halfway bother to pay attention to them in the game I'm in currently. What makes you think I still keep up with those for any player that I didn't know two years ago?

Im just asking cause youve been wrong on me in pretty well every game we've ever played in.

Ill keep that in mind. Probably will try to lynch you next time im confident you're town, see how it plays out.

[Darthe]

 

@ Lenlo

 

If youre not using or paying attention to Meta why are you using different standards to read seph and Penny?

 

Is this solely based on different activity levels?

Oh my god, your not reading :(

 

Seph actively being around and posting made me more willing to put up with not understanding him because he was putting in effort. Effort means I have things to read and learn from. Less effort means less things to learn from. Ergo, the more effort someone puts in the more I will care about trying to understand their position and what they are saying. Think of it like this. If I had to choose between lynching Player A, with alot of effort, and Player B with no effort, assuming they were both equally null/wolfy, I would choose to lynch Player B. Cause lack of effort I dont like.

Dude, I care so little about what all of your tells are I don't even halfway bother to pay attention to them in the game I'm in currently. What makes you think I still keep up with those for any player that I didn't know two years ago?

Do you still keep up with me? <3<3<3?

You dont play enough boo, tbh youve not really got a style that stands out as particularly your own. Good traits for a chameleon, and for how you care to involve yourself.

[Lenlo]

 

 

@ Lenlo

 

If youre not using or paying attention to Meta why are you using different standards to read seph and Penny?

 

Is this solely based on different activity levels?

Oh my god, your not reading :(

 

Seph actively being around and posting made me more willing to put up with not understanding him because he was putting in effort. Effort means I have things to read and learn from. Less effort means less things to learn from. Ergo, the more effort someone puts in the more I will care about trying to understand their position and what they are saying. Think of it like this. If I had to choose  between lynching Player A, with alot of effort, and Player B with no effort, assuming they were both equally null/wolfy, I would choose to lynch Player B. Cause lack of effort I dont like.

 

 

 

I am reading Im just trying to figure thing out here.

 

Then why arent you willing to lynch Penny?

 

*SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH*

 

I have been rethinking my read on Penny because of UPDATED INFORMATION. Namely, I believe I am reading her incorrectly. I railed at and tunneled Bess for what apparently was her town game that I failed to recognize. Whether I thought they were valid reasons or not, I was wrong on Bess. This has caused me to doubt my general ability and thus the validity of my previous reads. Then there is the EoD, where to many people seemed to eager to go for either Bess or Celeste. With Bess flipping town this leaves me wondering if both trains were town.

[Lenlo]

 

 

Dude, I care so little about what all of your tells are I don't even halfway bother to pay attention to them in the game I'm in currently. What makes you think I still keep up with those for any player that I didn't know two years ago?

Do you still keep up with me? <3<3<3?

You dont play enough boo, tbh youve not really got a style that stands out as particularly your own. Good traits for a chameleon, and for how you care to involve yourself.

 

I play plenty! I just stopped cause finals for abit >.>

 

Look I have to stop being bad at this game before I get my own style baby doll. At this point I just try to win and hope it works out.

[Darthe]

Why do you think the wolves are continuing Len? The game near locked by the living PRs if theyre all true, which they likely are.

 

When do you think wolves roll over?

[Shad_]

 

Oh look, mimicry.

 

Ya because I havent said Sili was Towning this game or Celeste was Scummy.

 

All you're doing is defending yourself here. People are voting you. You think Darthe is scum. Where is the attack you had on D1?

[Lenlo]

Why do you think the wolves are continuing Len? The game near locked by the living PRs if theyre all true, which they likely are.

 

When do you think wolves roll over?

If I was a wolf? Dont roll over till your dead. To many games have been lost by apathetic towns or towns who thought the game was on lock and got lazy. The possibility of winning is never 0 till your whole team is gone.

[Shad_]

Like you should be freaking out because this scummy SOB is going to kill your towny soul and walk away from it squeaky clean.

 

But you aren't.

[Lenlo]

As for why they are continuing? We havnt taken down a single one. We could easily lynch a town PR if we grow paranoid enough, say another day without a wolf lynch. Id say today is critical to keep town moral and paranoia levels are a good place and wolves know it.

[Shad_]

Things like this are why my vote stands.

[Zander?]

 

 

Oh look, mimicry.

 

Ya because I havent said Sili was Towning this game or Celeste was Scummy.

 

All you're doing is defending yourself here. People are voting you. You think Darthe is scum. Where is the attack you had on D1?

 

 

Im more confident in my Penny read tbqh.

 

I think you'll come around on me.

 

Sili is well Sili and does his own thing.

 

Things were different D1.

[Zander?]

Like you should be freaking out because this scummy SOB is going to kill your towny soul and walk away from it squeaky clean.

 

But you aren't.

 

No one is killing my Towny soul without a fight or NK.

[Darthe]

As for why they are continuing? We havnt taken down a single one. We could easily lynch a town PR if we grow paranoid enough, say another day without a wolf lynch. Id say today is critical to keep town moral and paranoia levels are a good place and wolves know it.

Yeah I think so too. I also assume youd be trying to pump zander up like that if you two were in a QT together.

 

Then again, I dont think you are both town. But you both seem pretty content to actually go after celeste.

 

Who im pretty darn sure is a wolf.

 

Basically im saying im having trouble connecting the dots here.

[Zander?]

Things like this are why my vote stands.

 

I know you prolly dont think Im all that bright but try to think that I am just a little.

[Lenlo]

 

As for why they are continuing? We havnt taken down a single one. We could easily lynch a town PR if we grow paranoid enough, say another day without a wolf lynch. Id say today is critical to keep town moral and paranoia levels are a good place and wolves know it.

Yeah I think so too. I also assume youd be trying to pump zander up like that if you two were in a QT together.

 

Then again, I dont think you are both town. But you both seem pretty content to actually go after celeste.

 

Who im pretty darn sure is a wolf.

 

Basically im saying im having trouble connecting the dots here.

 

First, pump him up? How so and about what?

 

Second, im not going after Celeste atm. Im actually reconsidering my read on her which in the process is making me consider voting Zander.

 

Third, im never a wolf. Especially not with Zander. One of us would be bussed and dead at this point. Guaranteed.

[Shad_]

*SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH*

 

I have been rethinking my read on Penny because of UPDATED INFORMATION. Namely, I believe I am reading her incorrectly. I railed at and tunneled Bess for what apparently was her town game that I failed to recognize. Whether I thought they were valid reasons or not, I was wrong on Bess. This has caused me to doubt my general ability and thus the validity of my previous reads. Then there is the EoD, where to many people seemed to eager to go for either Bess or Celeste. With Bess flipping town this leaves me wondering if both trains were town.

The generality in how you speak of it is weird to me.  "Too many people" didn't seem eager to go for Celeste.  Dice and Zander seemed eager to go for Celeste, in your stated opinion.  Your reads on them are central to all of this.

 

When you spell it out in terms of your reads and not in generalities, you have to impose questions like "do I think scum!Zander would not bus in that situation?"  And you have to answer these questions satisfactorily, to yourself as a villager, for your doubts concerning a Celeste lynch to make any sense.

[seph]

 

Darthe I don't ever seeing celeste/dice being w/w here.

 

I think they have both been suspicious imo.

What do you think on this, and why should I vote Celeste over dice?

 

I haven't seen something compelling enough to move me.

Celeste voted to self preserve which is done as either alignment imo.

 

Curious thought actually. Town celeste would not vote her town read to save her skin last game. Can someone look up her thoughts on besie before eod please, I can't atm

 

Why cant they be w/w?

 

I have Dice as slight Town but I wouldnt say they couldnt be tho.

 

She already admitted to voting Besie for self pres iirc.

 

Did you read my posts? Dice put the vote on celeste which put her into the lead wagon 4-3 or 5-4 I forget which one.

 

 

@ zander the below post is why I think penneh is town. You disagreed with me and you gave me reasons on why you thought she was scum.

I need you to clarify for me, were you disagreeing with my logic below because that is what I originally thought, as this is the main reason i am town reading celeste. It threw me off when you just went off on a spill on how she is mafia.

 

 

also I have been mulling this over in my head.

If we believe turins claim then Eod was a Town vs town. I think this is plausible because the votes stalled at 5vs5 with zander saying he would vote turin (I don't remember if he ever did)

 

Now if turin/besie was T/T I think this makes celeste town. (please everyone input on the matter)

I beieve thane starts the celeste train (which is fine imo) now if celeste was actually mafia they arn't just going to bus her here with a town besie still very much on the block.

 

I could see maybe one switching over and bussing (if celeste is actually mafia) But the again became a tied vote between her and besie, with shad a town PR with the final vote. 

 

This makes no sense for mafia to bus in this situation and to lynch a teamate when It really was never required in the first place.

also I have been mulling this over in my head.

If we believe turins claim then Eod was a Town vs town. I think this is plausible because the votes stalled at 5vs5 with zander saying he would vote turin (I don't remember if he ever did)

 

Now if turin/besie was T/T I think this makes celeste town. (please everyone input on the matter)

I beieve thane starts the celeste train (which is fine imo) now if celeste was actually mafia they arn't just going to bus her here with a town besie still very much on the block.

 

I could see maybe one switching over and bussing (if celeste is actually mafia) But the again became a tied vote between her and besie, with shad a town PR with the final vote. 

 

This makes no sense for mafia to bus in this situation and to lynch a teamate when It really was never required in the first place.

 

[Celeste]

I'm pretty fudging tired now. I was trying to keep up today and Zander is a bit more scummy than his previous day so he is moving up in my PoE. Then Dice's reactions to the push on him are really fake and coming from a scum mindset. People aren't listening to my read of Turin still. Right now my PoE is Turin/Dice > Zander > Darthe

 

[v]Dice[/v]

[Shad_]

Third, im never a wolf. Especially not with Zander. One of us would be bussed and dead at this point. Guaranteed.

You mean that after all you griped and moaned about Matrix for months on end you would approve a hard bus coming into D2 if Zander was your team mate here?

[Lenlo]

 

Third, im never a wolf. Especially not with Zander. One of us would be bussed and dead at this point. Guaranteed.

You mean that after all you griped and moaned about Matrix for months on end you would approve a hard bus coming into D2 if Zander was your team mate here?

 

First off, we joked about it. I give him crap about. There was no moaning. IT was a good play and I have nothing to complain about because we won. So there.

 

Second, I would bus the crap out of Zander for no other reason then payback. It doesnt have to be a good idea. Just a fun one. So yes, sure, why not.

[Shad_]

That surprises me. I certainly wouldn't expect it.

[Zander?]

 

 

Darthe I don't ever seeing celeste/dice being w/w here.

 

I think they have both been suspicious imo.

What do you think on this, and why should I vote Celeste over dice?

 

I haven't seen something compelling enough to move me.

Celeste voted to self preserve which is done as either alignment imo.

 

Curious thought actually. Town celeste would not vote her town read to save her skin last game. Can someone look up her thoughts on besie before eod please, I can't atm

 

Why cant they be w/w?

 

I have Dice as slight Town but I wouldnt say they couldnt be tho.

 

She already admitted to voting Besie for self pres iirc.

 

Did you read my posts? Dice put the vote on celeste which put her into the lead wagon 4-3 or 5-4 I forget which one.

 

 

@ zander the below post is why I think penneh is town. You disagreed with me and you gave me reasons on why you thought she was scum.

I need you to clarify for me, were you disagreeing with my logic below because that is what I originally thought, as this is the main reason i am town reading celeste. It threw me off when you just went off on a spill on how she is mafia.

 

 

also I have been mulling this over in my head.

If we believe turins claim then Eod was a Town vs town. I think this is plausible because the votes stalled at 5vs5 with zander saying he would vote turin (I don't remember if he ever did)

 

Now if turin/besie was T/T I think this makes celeste town. (please everyone input on the matter)

I beieve thane starts the celeste train (which is fine imo) now if celeste was actually mafia they arn't just going to bus her here with a town besie still very much on the block.

 

I could see maybe one switching over and bussing (if celeste is actually mafia) But the again became a tied vote between her and besie, with shad a town PR with the final vote. 

 

This makes no sense for mafia to bus in this situation and to lynch a teamate when It really was never required in the first place.

also I have been mulling this over in my head.

If we believe turins claim then Eod was a Town vs town. I think this is plausible because the votes stalled at 5vs5 with zander saying he would vote turin (I don't remember if he ever did)

 

Now if turin/besie was T/T I think this makes celeste town. (please everyone input on the matter)

I beieve thane starts the celeste train (which is fine imo) now if celeste was actually mafia they arn't just going to bus her here with a town besie still very much on the block.

 

I could see maybe one switching over and bussing (if celeste is actually mafia) But the again became a tied vote between her and besie, with shad a town PR with the final vote. 

 

This makes no sense for mafia to bus in this situation and to lynch a teamate when It really was never required in the first place.

 

 

 

Dices vote on Penny means nothing to me.

 

I dont tend to let other peoples reads effect my own.

 

I dont know if youre logic is flawed it just doesnt add up to me because I think Penny is Scum.

[Darthe]

I'm pretty fudging tired now. I was trying to keep up today and Zander is a bit more scummy than his previous day so he is moving up in my PoE. Then Dice's reactions to the push on him are really fake and coming from a scum mindset. People aren't listening to my read of Turin still. Right now my PoE is Turin/Dice > Zander > Darthe

 

[v]Dice[/v]

okay guys, you all have my permission to vote Celeste now.  The one who is near unanimously being wolf read, yeah?  Just votes.  simple [v] with celeste in the middle.