[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Zander?]

If you were a villager I believe you would try to understand and refute the issues being raised with you instead of dismissing them out of hand.

 

I understand.

 

I even quoted your post where you said I need to show it.

 

I said fair enough and have been at it. 

 

The Day's not over yet.

[Zander?]

 

 

Distancing by pushing a wagon thats otherwise not gonna take off today.. Are you high?

WHAT SHES IN JUST ABOUT EVERYONE"S WTL LIST....

Yet she keeps living and ive not seen anyone else vote her since I did. Hmm.

 

 

I did.

 

I also was voting her yesterday while you were parked on Turin.

 

Are you even reading this game?

[Zander?]

Darthe I don't ever seeing celeste/dice being w/w here.

 

I think they have both been suspicious imo.

What do you think on this, and why should I vote Celeste over dice?

 

I haven't seen something compelling enough to move me.

Celeste voted to self preserve which is done as either alignment imo.

 

Curious thought actually. Town celeste would not vote her town read to save her skin last game. Can someone look up her thoughts on besie before eod please, I can't atm

 

Why cant they be w/w?

 

I have Dice as slight Town but I wouldnt say they couldnt be tho.

 

She already admitted to voting Besie for self pres iirc.

[Zander?]

Hey seph and zander, which of your reads do you have the most confidence in?

 

For me its my tiwn read of sili.

 

Town-Sili and Scum-Celeste.

[Zander?]

 

Sure but I have RL stuff going on Im trying not to drag into the game.

That's fine. You said as much in your first slot too and played differently though.

 

 

Perhaps theres another reason for that.

[Zander?]

 

Unless maybe one train is Mafia and another is voting someone else entirely or isnt there.

 

Does anyone fit the latter....wait who was Darthe voting....

This sounds like you're still highly suss of Darthe. I know we both agreed that he was being kind of fishy on D1 and 2. How have events since impacted your read?

 

 

Nothings changed.

 

 

 

@ turin i asked him because of his who am i going to doc tonight comment. If i was mafia i probably would have shot him because of it

If this is who I think its about its the only reason Ive been holding back pushing him real hard.

 

But on the other hand he could make a post like this as either alignment and even a VT imo.

 

 

 

@ turin i asked him because of his who am i going to doc tonight comment. If i was mafia i probably would have shot him because of it

 

Really?? It's Darthe.

 

 

Ya what I was getting at.

 

I dont know really what it says about Dice tho. Hes seemed fairly Dice like with the exception of his sheeping Thane.

 

Again this just really isn't like you. I don't see Zander going "hmm, Darthe is hella suss but he did soft hint a PR and I know he does that as either alignment so I'm going to back off."

 

 

I havent stopped questioning him nor have I stopped sussing him.

 

When have I backed down?

 

Seriously man.

[Zander?]

 

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Seph[/v]

 

Still WTV Celeste, but feel worse about Seph.

Does this read to anyone else like he's trying to NOT vote Celeste?

Note to self to look at Eldrick's stances on both of them at the time.

 

 

Prolly not a bad idea.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Distancing by pushing a wagon thats otherwise not gonna take off today.. Are you high?

WHAT SHES IN JUST ABOUT EVERYONE"S WTL LIST....

Yet she keeps living and ive not seen anyone else vote her since I did. Hmm.

 

 

I did.

 

I also was voting her yesterday while you were parked on Turin.

 

Are you even reading this game?

 

So time is a thing that moves in one direction.  Just, fyi

[Darthe]

 

Hey seph and zander, which of your reads do you have the most confidence in?

 

For me its my tiwn read of sili.

 

Town-Sili and Scum-Celeste.

 

Oh look, mimicry.  

[Zander?]

 

 

 

@ turin i asked him because of his who am i going to doc tonight comment. If i was mafia i probably would have shot him because of it

If this is who I think its about its the only reason Ive been holding back pushing him real hard.

 

But on the other hand he could make a post like this as either alignment and even a VT imo.

 

 

@ turin i asked him because of his who am i going to doc tonight comment. If i was mafia i probably would have shot him because of it

Really?? It's Darthe.

Ya what I was getting at.

 

I dont know really what it says about Dice tho. Hes seemed fairly Dice like with the exception of his sheeping Thane.

Again this just really isn't like you. I don't see Zander going "hmm, Darthe is hella suss but he did soft hint a PR and I know he does that as either alignment so I'm going to back off."

This, 100%. No offense zander but you have absolutely no tact as town. You're a dog trying to get off his leash.

 

Thats not the performance shown here.

 

 

Whats tact....??? lol

 

Would you say Im not playing like normal Town!Zander or that Im playing like Scum!Zander?

[Zander?]

 

 

I'm attempting to reconsider Celeste right now because of who ended up bushing her heavily at EOD yesterday.

Explain this.

 

Dice and Zander, my next best go to's for wolf, ended day voting for Celeste. I dont think it was a joke either, I think they really would have preferred Celeste die then Besie. Theres also the fact that I was wrong on Besie, even though I felt strongly she was a wolf, which has made me doubt my other wolf read (Celeste). Im just starting to get the feeling she may be another "easy mislynch", which while not perfect is the best term I could come up with. I dunno, I feel were being steered to Celeste and that worries me. I dont want to dive headlong into another mistake.

 

 

 

Can you elaborate on the bold?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

so far in my reread anyway. if you want to say im grasping at straws i go into detail in my analysis at one point. you could read that and get back to me.

I did read it but I'm on the phone.

 

I think your wrong and is just looking for something wolfy because we need a wolf.

 

I said your push on town!besie was weak. that you made a big deal of nothing. and that you gave yourself room to back off seph by saying you didn't know him that well, which strongly implies you do find meta important and then you go on to tunnel Celeste despite others saying you just don't know her well enough.

 

so yeah, i think you're a wolf. if you dont want to respond to those reasons i guess it's fine.

 

Alright home.

 

Heres the problem. You say my push on town!Besie was weak, as if her being town changes her actions at the time. I made a big deal about nothing? What about the other 4 people who agreed with me? What about Turin who pushed her just as hard as I did? Why am I the only person making a big deal of nothing when I obviously was not alone? Also it very much was something. That EoD, atrocious. That list was wolfy. Her actions to the pressure, wolfy. Just because I was wrong doesnt mean it was nothing.

I think the argument in your first posts was weak and criminal. This has nothing to do with happened later yet.

 

 

Backing off Seph: I never even attacked the dude. How do I back off someone I never stepped to? As for meta, incorrect. Meta is not important to me, knowing someone's personality and attitude does. You may think those are the same, but I disagree. I care about the person underneath, not their record. Then theres the question of the player difference. Seph was active, playing, giving me plenty of content to learn him from. Celeste was not. Celeste was being defended by people saying "You just dont know here" while Seph was actively teaching me, through his posts, what he was like. He gave me more to go off of then "Dont worry this is just how they play".

 

Got any more reasons? Maybe some that arnt bad?

 

 

Okay, but your first post on Seph certainly sounded like you were almost attacking him. Meta is just the word I chose to use. It apparently has no relevance. Nevertheless it's true knowing more about Seph was important to you but for Celeste it wasn't... because Celeste wasn't giving you much to go off of? No that doesn't hold up.

 

How does it not hold up? Seph gave me posts, I could learn how he does things because he was DOING things. Celeste was NOT DOING thing, which makes it hard to learn how she DOES things. Then theres the fact that from what little I know of how Celeste does things, I disagree with it on a basic level. Its almost 100% gut which I just disagree with. Anyone telling me "This is just how she does things" Doesnt help when I disagree with her on the most basic level. Then theres this fact: Ive played with Celeste before. Not Seph. I have 0 experience with him, some with her. I didnt care for the tried and tried again arguments.

 

Heres the difference: I wanted to know more about Seph FROM Seph, not other people. I wanted to know more about Celeste FROM Celeste, not other people. Seph gave me that. She didnt.

 

Were going to have to disagree on that first one then, because I dont. They were perfectly valid and again, im not the only person to use those arguments. Other people brought them up later down the line. To hold me "criminally" responsible for what was multiple people pushing her is crazy.

 

 

Are you talking about having Meta with Penny but not seph after how often you go on about not using Meta to influence your reads?

 

Also seems like the bold would trouble you not make you Town read her imo.

 

Am I missing something here?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

you were probably one of the wolves to push besie for that reason.

 

and just beacuse someone agreed with how you worded that doesn't make it less wolfy.

 

and saying you somehow disagree on a fundamental level with celeste does not excuse how you tunneled her despite many people attacking your logic. If you respect character reads you respect knowledge about a person no matter where it comes from and you react to it different than you did.

I didnt tunnel her?

 

I'm pretty sure you did. You don't feel like you did?

 

No. I brought up my problems with her, people disagreed, I responded and then I went after Bessie. If I tunneled anyone this game it was Bess, not Celeste.

 

 

Id say he tunneled Besie.

[Zander?]

 

 

WHAT SOFT CLAIM 

 

 

soft claim was turins word for it

 

 

remember me asking why u thought u didnt die n1? i asked because of your little post asking who you should doc tonight

 

quote the post plz, I really don't remember.

 

 

 

Anyone wanna give Darthe a quick refresher on the main events of the game?  It'll affect who I doc tonight so.. your call.

[dicetosser1]

thanks for finding that Zander

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Distancing by pushing a wagon thats otherwise not gonna take off today.. Are you high?

WHAT SHES IN JUST ABOUT EVERYONE"S WTL LIST....

Yet she keeps living and ive not seen anyone else vote her since I did. Hmm.

 

 

I did.

 

I also was voting her yesterday while you were parked on Turin.

 

Are you even reading this game?

 

So time is a thing that moves in one direction.  Just, fyi

 

 

What?

 

 

 

Hey seph and zander, which of your reads do you have the most confidence in?

 

For me its my tiwn read of sili.

 

Town-Sili and Scum-Celeste.

 

Oh look, mimicry.  

 

 

Ya because I havent said Sili was Towning this game or Celeste was Scummy.

[Zander?]

thanks for finding that Zander

 

What can I say, I do it all.

[dicetosser1]

scratches zanders ear

 

 

 

from australia.....

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so far in my reread anyway. if you want to say im grasping at straws i go into detail in my analysis at one point. you could read that and get back to me.

I did read it but I'm on the phone.

 

I think your wrong and is just looking for something wolfy because we need a wolf.

 

I said your push on town!besie was weak. that you made a big deal of nothing. and that you gave yourself room to back off seph by saying you didn't know him that well, which strongly implies you do find meta important and then you go on to tunnel Celeste despite others saying you just don't know her well enough.

 

so yeah, i think you're a wolf. if you dont want to respond to those reasons i guess it's fine.

 

Alright home.

 

Heres the problem. You say my push on town!Besie was weak, as if her being town changes her actions at the time. I made a big deal about nothing? What about the other 4 people who agreed with me? What about Turin who pushed her just as hard as I did? Why am I the only person making a big deal of nothing when I obviously was not alone? Also it very much was something. That EoD, atrocious. That list was wolfy. Her actions to the pressure, wolfy. Just because I was wrong doesnt mean it was nothing.

I think the argument in your first posts was weak and criminal. This has nothing to do with happened later yet.

 

 

Backing off Seph: I never even attacked the dude. How do I back off someone I never stepped to? As for meta, incorrect. Meta is not important to me, knowing someone's personality and attitude does. You may think those are the same, but I disagree. I care about the person underneath, not their record. Then theres the question of the player difference. Seph was active, playing, giving me plenty of content to learn him from. Celeste was not. Celeste was being defended by people saying "You just dont know here" while Seph was actively teaching me, through his posts, what he was like. He gave me more to go off of then "Dont worry this is just how they play".

 

Got any more reasons? Maybe some that arnt bad?

 

 

Okay, but your first post on Seph certainly sounded like you were almost attacking him. Meta is just the word I chose to use. It apparently has no relevance. Nevertheless it's true knowing more about Seph was important to you but for Celeste it wasn't... because Celeste wasn't giving you much to go off of? No that doesn't hold up.

 

 

 

How does it not hold up? Seph gave me posts, I could learn how he does things because he was DOING things. Celeste was NOT DOING thing, which makes it hard to learn how she DOES things. Then theres the fact that from what little I know of how Celeste does things, I disagree with it on a basic level. Its almost 100% gut which I just disagree with. Anyone telling me "This is just how she does things" Doesnt help when I disagree with her on the most basic level. Then theres this fact: Ive played with Celeste before. Not Seph. I have 0 experience with him, some with her. I didnt care for the tried and tried again arguments.

 

Heres the difference: I wanted to know more about Seph FROM Seph, not other people. I wanted to know more about Celeste FROM Celeste, not other people. Seph gave me that. She didnt.

 

Were going to have to disagree on that first one then, because I dont. They were perfectly valid and again, im not the only person to use those arguments. Other people brought them up later down the line. To hold me "criminally" responsible for what was multiple people pushing her is crazy.

 

 

Are you talking about having Meta with Penny but not seph after how often you go on about not using Meta to influence your reads?

 

Also seems like the bold would trouble you not make you Town read her imo.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

Sili is saying that its bad I was willing to wait and learn abotu Seph but not Penny, when theres a difference. That being Seph was active and posting and giving me things to learn from and figure out, so I was willing to take the time to do that. Penny was not and I was not going to go read old games to get a feel. Also its not that I dont use meta to influence my reads, its that I dont pay attention to it. I forget peoples roles and alignments literally days after the game finishes, simply because its not important to me once the game is done.

 

It did trouble me at the time. Thats why I wolf read her at the time. Im doubting my read on her right now because of different things. Keep up.

[Zander?]

@ Lenlo

 

If youre not using or paying attention to Meta why are you using different standards to read seph and Penny?

 

Is this solely based on different activity levels?

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

@ turin i asked him because of his who am i going to doc tonight comment. If i was mafia i probably would have shot him because of it

If this is who I think its about its the only reason Ive been holding back pushing him real hard.

 

But on the other hand he could make a post like this as either alignment and even a VT imo.

 

 

@ turin i asked him because of his who am i going to doc tonight comment. If i was mafia i probably would have shot him because of it

Really?? It's Darthe.

Ya what I was getting at.

 

I dont know really what it says about Dice tho. Hes seemed fairly Dice like with the exception of his sheeping Thane.

Again this just really isn't like you. I don't see Zander going "hmm, Darthe is hella suss but he did soft hint a PR and I know he does that as either alignment so I'm going to back off."

This, 100%. No offense zander but you have absolutely no tact as town. You're a dog trying to get off his leash.

 

Thats not the performance shown here.

 

 

Whats tact....??? lol

 

Would you say Im not playing like normal Town!Zander or that Im playing like Scum!Zander?

 

I'm not really sure what scum!zander looks like but I'd say you're not playing like normal town!zander.  I can distinguish a flavor of difference here.

[Zander?]

Ummm Darthe pretty sure you were in Cory's Mario Kart game.

[Darthe]

Dude, I care so little about what all of your tells are I don't even halfway bother to pay attention to them in the game I'm in currently.  What makes you think I still keep up with those for any player that I didn't know two years ago?

[Zander?]

Dude, I care so little about what all of your tells are I don't even halfway bother to pay attention to them in the game I'm in currently.  What makes you think I still keep up with those for any player that I didn't know two years ago?

 

Im just asking cause youve been wrong on me in pretty well every game we've ever played in.

[Shad_]

I don't like it when wolves lie and pretend to be villagers. Makes this game so much harder for me than it needs to be......